MSNBC: ATF Says it Has Disrupted Skinhead Plot to Assassinate Obama

[Zuiderelle]

Source: MSNBC

WASHINGTON - A plot by skinheads to assassinate Barack Obama and kill dozens of other African Americans has been foiled, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms said Monday.

A senior ATF official told NBC News that two Neo-Nazi skinheads were arrested and charged in a mass murder plot.

In court records unsealed Monday, agents said they disrupted plans that included robbing a gun store and targeting an unnamed but predominantly African-American high school.

Read more: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27405681/

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Also: http://www.wafb.com/Global/story.asp?S=9246424&nav=menu57_2
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And from ck4829 below: Skinheads Identified: Daniel Cowart, 20, of Bells, Tennessee and Paul Schlesselman, 18, of West Helena

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And from uppityperson: http://www.wbtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=9246417

[slinkerwink]

1. saw that. what's up with that?

[Born Free]

113. terrorists....

The GOP said they Obama would be tested within 6 months of being elected

[EmperorHasNoClothes]

2. We knew this was coming.

Thank goodness for the Secret Service and ATF.

[medeak]

61. history of mental illness just like the "B" girl

they really ARE attracting the nutjobs!

[last1standing]

3. If anything happens to Obama the blame lies at the feet of mcRacist.

He is the one who stirred up so much hatred. History will revile him. :mad:

[stillcool]

58. and Pat Buchanan, Lou Dobbs etal...

[bobd0]

4. Just heard this on MSNBC too. Nice work McCain/Palin. Keep feeding your crowds hatred and lies.

[lyonn]

38. Yup, just what McCain/Palin hoped for

Only way they can win. It was just a matter of time. What's with the deaths on the Arkansas campus? There are only a few crazies in this world and Mac and Sarah have pushed that button. The ATF, Secret Service, etc., have their work cut out for them. Let's hope they can keep Obama Safe. Those words hurt to even say, but now it is out in the open. Crazy damn racial freaks spurred on by the repubs and mainly McCain and Palin.

[bobd0]

43. But haven't you heard? John McCain is so PROUD of his supporters!

And his VP candidate!

The worst people in the world doesn't even come close to describing them. Not even close.

[heliarc]

118. "The intervention of the tragedy" n/t

[uppityperson]

5. k&r with an added link and paragraph ("assassinate Obama, kill 102 black people")

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/A/APNEWSALERT?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT
WASHINGTON (AP) -- ATF says it has disrupted skinhead plot to assassinate Obama, kill 102 black people.

[jwirr]

112. I to am wondering if this is connected. Although they do have one

suspect in the UCA shooting.

[helderheid]

6. Just saw that.

:(

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

7. -

[sniffa]

8. ATF disrupts Skinhead plot to assassinate Obama (MSNBC)

Source: MSNBC

No link yet. Just announced on MSNBC. :wow:

No link yet.

[babylonsister]

9. This sucks. I'm very upset about this. People are so blinded by

hatred; what a tiny little world they must inhabit.

[Hawkeye-X]

10. Another one?

When? Same methhead from August?

[NewJeffCT]

11. wow - I just saw it there, too, and came here

to see if there was more news.

pleas keep us cuberats fed.

[jpak]

12. FAUX reported this too

not good

[AllieB]

13. Unbelievable. The hate speech at the McPalin rallies inspired these bozos.

BTW I love your avatar! LOL!

[sniffa]

15. Thanks

:D

Here's the AP link.

WASHINGTON (AP) — ATF says it has disrupted skinhead plot to assassinate Obama, kill 102 black people.

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5ijDA5bgxiHlTvS_r-SSjskS1Tq1wD94323R01

[Fluffdaddy]

14. WOW JUST WOW!!!

[dhpgetsit]

20. Now can we declare them terrorists, round them up and ship them to GITMO?

Hold them indefinitely.

[SemperEadem]

47. are you kidding?

they're not brown skinned--they can't possibly be terrorists if they're white... they're patriots standing up for white tradition. :sarcasm:

[LeftishBrit]

136. I think Gitmo should just be abolished; but yes these two are terrorists

REALLY nasty. I'm glad the plot was foiled. I hope there aren't too many more where these people came from.

[medeak]

16. related to Arkansas college shooting last night?

saying Arkansas and Tennesee skin heads... just wondering

[Snazzy]

17. AP has 2 grafs:

Oct 27, 4:21 PM EDT


Assassination plot targeting Obama disrupted

By LARA JAKES JORDAN
Associated Press Writer



WASHINGTON (AP) -- The ATF says it has broken up a plot to assassinate Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama and shoot or decapitate 102 black people in a Tennessee murder spree.

In court records unsealed Monday, agents said they disrupted plans to rob a gun store and target an unnamed by predominantly African-American high school by two neo-Nazi skinheads.



http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/S/SKINHEAD_PLOT?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2008-10-27-16-21-21

[villager]

18. A former skinhead here on DU was warning about this...

...from the rightwing "chatter" he came across...

[Mojorabbit]

23. I vaguely remember that post.

Do you remember enough to find it on a search?

[Name removed]

133. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[ck4829]

44. Please find that if you can

I doubt this plot had just two people in it.

[Patiod]

63. He said he heard talk at gun shows

or flea markets.

People mocked him - not everyone, but there were some :tinfoilhat: accusations

[ramapo]

19. Scary...you know there must be others

Any bets that the McCain/Palin camp will issue any kind of statement or acknowledgment? I betcha not.

This is so disgusting and vile and the Republican right wing is directly to blame for inciting these assholes. Not to say that they wouldn't have come up with this on their own.

I'm not a praying person, but I'm praying for Obama and the Secret Service.

[Arger68]

My first thought was "unbelievable", unfortunately, it's just

all too believable. The sad truth is, President Obama will probably do so much more to improve the lives of these hating assholes than any Repub. :(

[Fire1]

124. And THAT is what angers and DISGUSTS me the most! But

they discount EVERYTHING HE SAYS with BLANTANT LIES AND DISTORTIONS.

[Shardik]

21. Killing 102 Black people?

APNewsAlert

11 minutes ago

WASHINGTON (AP) — ATF says it has disrupted skinhead plot to assassinate Obama, kill 102 black people.

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5ijDA5bgxiHlTvS_r-SSjskS1Tq1wD94323R01

[bluestateguy]

22. I never thought I would praise an agency of the Bush Administration

but well done ATF.

[bobd0]

35. ATF is an agency of the U.S. government. Not the Bush administration.

Bush must have forgot to screw ATF up like he did FEMA and every other agency he set his sights on.

[baldguy]

96. There's no money in it.

[mikelgb]

24. wow didn't spare any details

[Sheltiemama]

25. I am so pissed that Tennessee is involved.

[JitterbugPerfume]

26. I have feared this from the beginning

The hate has been stirred up , and that is dangerous . I fear for his life NEVER forget the Kennedys and MLK . Their death(s) gutted the soul right out of our party

[pleah]

27. Glad they stopped these two assholes.

How many more are out there planning the same thing?

After all the McSame/Failin hate speeches, I'm not surprised.

[bigworld]

28. Why the ATF? Wouldn't the Secret Service have jurisdiction?

Just curious.

[jwirr]

115. Gun charges are involved.

[No Passaran]

29. Fox News: ATF Says Skinhead Plot to Assassinate Obama, Kill 102 Black People Disrupted

Source: Fox News

Developing story

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/

[Lance_Boyle]

30. MSNBC covering this now (4:27 Eastern) too. n/t

[angstlessk]

31. what a fricking choice of words...distrupted???

dis·rupt (dĭs-rŭpt') Pronunciation Key
tr.v. dis·rupt·ed, dis·rupt·ing, dis·rupts

1. To throw into confusion or disorder: Protesters disrupted the candidate's speech.
2. To interrupt or impede the progress, movement, or procedure of: Our efforts in the garden were disrupted by an early frost.
3. To break or burst; rupture.

As if what the ATF did was a BAD thing..how DARE THEY DISRUPT the skinheads...

[No Passaran]

32. LOL I didn't think of it that way

Still very disturbing.

[TroglodyteScholar]

89. Eh, I don't think of "disrupt" as carrying a negative connotation

I'm pretty sure "disrupt" is used frequently for plots that are stopped prior to being fully carried out.

[Posteritatis]

105. I've heard it used in that context quite a bit all over the place

The term doesn't bother me at all.

[notaboutus]

109. Well because of my skin color it bothers me a lot

Seriously the correct word would be stopped-halted but disrupted is troublesome for me and my family.
Before this even came about a lot of schools in GA will be closed on election day. Jim Lehrer used the caption Plot Foiled.

[Peace Patriot]

137. "Disrupt" means they probably didn't catch the main perps.

They didn't say they STOPPED the plot. They just "disrupted" it. In this sense--if this is what they mean--they may be trying to be accurate.

And this is not good news. "Disrupted."

However, I am very suspicious of press releases and announcements by any agency of the Bush Junta. All federal agencies are under their control.

Look for ulterior motives: To spread fear? To suppress the vote? To make it look like they are "on the job" and are impartially protecting both sides? To set something up? (They have "disrupted" the plot, but is it still in motion?)

WHY did they put this information out there? WHY, at such a sensitive time, days before the completion of voting in this election? What purpose does it serve?

We gotta figure that this was a POLITICAL decision. What's behind it? It could be part of some political game plan. It could even be part of a plot.

It's likely that the agents protecting Obama are loyal to him and to our country. But are their bosses? We know that their ultimate bosses are not. What toadies and operatives have they planted in the security apparatus--to what ends? The same for the ATF. We've seen the criminal politicalization of the Dept. of Justice--once one of the most sarcosanct of agencies, as to political neutraliity. We've seen criminal politicalization throughout the government, on every hand.

I think the least we should suspect here is a politically motivated leak or press release, on a matter that didn't need to go public at this time, and seems to have only one purpose: inducing fear.

"Disrupted." Didn't stop. Didn't shut down. Didn't foreclose. Didn't root out. That's a very worrisome word.

[girl gone mad]

33. Assassination plot targeting Obama disrupted

Source: Associated Press

Assassination plot targeting Obama disrupted

The ATF says it has broken up a plot to assassinate Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama and shoot or decapitate 102 black people in a Tennessee murder spree.

In court records unsealed Monday, agents said they disrupted plans to rob a gun store and target an unnamed by predominantly African-American high school by two neo-Nazi skinheads.

Read more: http://www.whec.com/article/stories/S634769.shtml?cat=566

[uppityperson]

34. dupe, but thanks for posting

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=3568244&mesg_id=3568244

[lonestarnot]

79. Well thank God it was disrupted! Fucking fools!

[Shardik]

36. New DETAILS Available below.

(The following information is from the US Attorney's Office in Western Tennessee.)

JACKSON, TN - Daniel Cowart, 20, of Bells, Tennessee and Paul Schlesselman, 18, of West Helena, Arkansas were charged in a federal Complaint, Friday, October 24, 2008 announced Lawrence J. Laurenzi, Acting United States Attorney for the Western District of Tennessee, James Cavanaugh, Special Agent in Charge of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives, Richard Harlow, Special Agent in Charge of the United States Secret Service- Memphis Field Office and Troy Klyce, Sheriff of Crockett County. The Criminal Complaint charges Cowart and Schlesselman with the illegal Possession of a Sawed off Shotgun, Conspiracy to Rob a Federal Firearms Licensee, and Making Threats Against a Major Candidate for the Office of President.

"The allegations set forth in this Criminal Complaint are serious and will be treated as such, " said Lawrence J. Laurenzi, Acting United States Attorney for the Western District of Tennessee. " The public can rest assured that federal, state, and local law enforcement are diligently working together to investigate and prosecute the alleged activity."

According to the Complaint, approximately one month ago, Cowart and Schlesselman met via the internet through a mutual friend and both claim to have very strong beliefs regarding "White Power" and "Skinhead" philosophy. Cowart and Schlesselman began discussing going on a "killing spree". The Complaint further alleges that Cowart and Schlesselman discussed robbing a gun shop (Federal Firearms Licensee) in order to gather weapons and ammunition. The Complaint notes the defendants were in possession of a sawed off shotgun.

On October 20, 2008, Cowart allegedly traveled from Tennessee to Arkansas to pick up Schlesselman in order to carry out their plan. The Complaint states that at this time, the defendants further discussed their killing spree to include targeting a predominately African American School and to continue their spree until their final act of violence which would be to attempt to assassinate Presidential Candidate Barack Obama. "The United States Secret Service takes all threats against Presidential Candidates seriously and is actively investigating the allegations," said Richard Harlow, Special Agent in Charge of the Secret Service-Memphis Field Office. "The Secret Service does not comment on this type of investigation."

The Complaint further notes that the defendants stated that they would be willing to die during this attempt. According to the Complaint, after soliciting a friend, to drive their car, between 11:00pm on October 21, 2008 and 2:00am on October 22, 2008, the defendants made plans to rob a house but were diverted when they arrived and observed a dog and two cars at the location. Cowart and Schlesselman then dropped Stafford back off at her residence and then went to a local retail store and allegedly purchased nylon rope and two ski masks.

"It is critical that the alleged plot was interrupted," said James Cavanaugh, Special Agent in Charge of ATF. "We give credit to the Deputies of Crockett and Haywood Counties. All forces of law enforcement have come together to stop this threat."

The Defendants were arrested on October 22, 2008 by the Crockett County Sheriff's Office. "Once we arrested the defendants and suspected they had violated federal law, we immediately contacted federal authorities, " said Sheriff Troy Klyce of Crockett County. "The Sheriff's Department is committed to keeping Crockett County a safe place for our all of citizens."

Cowart and Schlesselman had their Initial Appearances in Federal Court today and are scheduled to be back in court for a Detention Hearing on October 30, 2008 in Memphis, Tennessee.

This case is being investigated by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives- Memphis Office, the United States Secret Service-Memphis Field Office, with the assistance of the Crockett County Sheriff's Office and the Federal Bureau of Investigation.

[BootinUp]

40. Say goodbye for a long time wackjobs. nt

[zonkers]

104. Going after Obama after going on a murderous rampage at a black high schoo makes no sense even

for a couple of dorktards. I mean, that really could not have been the plan.

[Snazzy]

37. Some details from TV station:

ATF Arrests Arkansas, Tennessee Men in Plot to Kill Obama

Posted: Oct 27, 2008 04:16 PM EDT

Updated: Oct 27, 2008 04:30 PM EDT







MEMPHIS, TN (WMC-TV) - Two men have been charged with making threats against presidential candidate Barack Obama.

Daniel Cowart, 20, of Bells, Tennessee and Paul Schlesselman, 18, of West Helena were charged in a federal complaint last Friday of illegal possession of a sawed-off shotgun, conspiracy to rob a federal firearms licensee, and making threats against a major candidate for the Office of President.

According to the complaint, Cowart and Schlesselman met via the Internet through a mutual friend last month, with both men claiming to have very strong beliefs regarding "White Power" and "Skinhead" philosophies.

The complaint said the pair discussed robbing a gun shop in order to gather weapons and ammunition to use in a 'killing spree.'

On October 20, 2008, Cowart allegedly traveled from Tennessee to Arkansas to pick up Schlesselman in order to carry out their plan.

According to the complaint, the defendants further discussed their killing spree to include targeting a predominately African American school, and to continue their spree until their final act of violence, which would be to attempt to assassinate Obama.

Officials said Cowart and Schlesselman stated that they would be willing to die during their attempt.

The pair was arrested on October 22, 2008 by the Crockett County, Tennessee Sheriff's Department.

Cowart and Schlesselman appeared in court Monday, and are scheduled to appear again at a detention hearing on October 30th.

http://www.kait8.com/Global/story.asp?S=9246347&nav=menu67_2

[bigworld]

39. I'm hoping it was just a couple big-talking goobers

instead of any organized conspiracy.

[Zuiderelle]

41. Looks probable. Sure hope so.

[desktop]

64. I would say just some drunken loosers, but...

I fear real assassins might get to Obama in the future and the media will pass it off as the work of skin heads when the reality could be much more sinister, planned, and professional.

[angstlessk]

42. were they going to kill the 102 kids first or Obama?

this sounds suspicious to me...like an undercover plot which includes an undercover cop?? not that I am not happy to see dangerous skinheads off the streets, just sayin??

[frickaline]

55. Here's what they said:

By LARA JAKES JORDAN

WASHINGTON (AP) - Federal agents have broken up a plot to assassinate Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama and shoot or decapitate 102 black people in a Tennessee murder spree, the ATF said Monday.

In court records unsealed Monday, federal agents said they disrupted plans to rob a gun store and target a predominantly African-American high school by two neo-Nazi skinheads. Agents said the skinheads did not identify the school by name.

Jim Cavanaugh, special agent in charge of the Nashville field office for the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, said the two men planned to shoot 88 black people and decapitate another 14. The numbers 88 and 14 are symbolic in the white supremacist community.

The men also sought to go on a national killing spree, with Obama as its final target, Cavanaugh told The Associated Press.

"They said that would be their last, final act - that they would attempt to kill Sen. Obama," Cavanaugh said. "They didn't believe they would be able to do it, but that they would get killed trying."

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20081027/D9432D881.html

[uppityperson]

66. Thanks for the explanation of the numbers. Terrorism.

[illuminaughty]

132. off topic

Love the pic. THIS IS AN EX PARROT! Hopefully an ex-everything (vice-presidential candidate, governor, etc.) Here's my short Monty song I made up when I first heard bout Palin

Todd's a lumberjack, he's not OK
He's Trig's Dad but it's with Bristol, kay?

She's a hockey mom she's not OK
She's a moose killin' bitch with the NRA.


It went on and on until I had to make myself stop. She's such an easy target.

[ck4829]

45. Skinheads identified

Daniel Cowart, 20, of Bells, Tennessee and Paul Schlesselman, 18, of West Helena

[MAGICBULLET]

74. what a great day for the second amendment

<http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewPicture&friendID=348352208&albumId=337263>

to accompany the story of the 8 year old kid who accidentally shot himself with an Uzi under the supervision of adults.

Is this what they fight for??

[DS1]

83. skindouche has NO idea how to hold a rifle

[TroglodyteScholar]

93. For real

The article says they were willing to die trying to assassinate Obama. Something tells me these dipshits would've hurt themselves before managing to take anybody else out.

[carlyhippy]

46. I was afraid something like this was going to occur

I just don't get people, this world has gone outer limits.
Carly

[John Kerry VonErich]

125. This is what it comes down to.

All out war. I think the opposition wants a Mckinney effect (what I call for the aftermath outrage of Cynthia Mckinney's loss of her primary by supporters.) but ten fold.

[barbtries]

48. here's one link:

http://cbs13.com/campaign08/obama.plot.skinheads.2.849869.html

apparently they planned to shoot 88 black people to death and decapitate another 14.

[uppityperson]

49. Another link, more info..... (picked up last wk, info just released)

http://www.wbtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=9246417

n October 20, 2008, Cowart allegedly traveled from Tennessee to Arkansas to pick up Schlesselman in order to carry out their plan. The Complaint states that at this time, the defendants further discussed their killing spree to include targeting a predominately African American School and to continue their spree until their final act of violence which would be to attempt to assassinate Presidential Candidate Barack Obama. "The United States Secret Service takes all threats against Presidential Candidates seriously and is actively investigating the allegations," said Richard Harlow, Special Agent in Charge of the Secret Service-Memphis Field Office. "The Secret Service does not comment on this type of investigation."

The Complaint further notes that the defendants stated that they would be willing to die during this attempt. According to the Complaint, after soliciting a friend, to drive their car, between 11:00pm on October 21, 2008 and 2:00am on October 22, 2008, the defendants made plans to rob a house but were diverted when they arrived and observed a dog and two cars at the location. Cowart and Schlesselman then dropped Stafford back off at her residence and then went to a local retail store and allegedly purchased nylon rope and two ski masks.

"It is critical that the alleged plot was interrupted," said James Cavanaugh, Special Agent in Charge of ATF. "We give credit to the Deputies of Crockett and Haywood Counties. All forces of law enforcement have come together to stop this threat."

The Defendants were arrested on October 22, 2008 by the Crockett County Sheriff's Office. "Once we arrested the defendants and suspected they had violated federal law, we immediately contacted federal authorities, " said Sheriff Troy Klyce of Crockett County. "The Sheriff's Department is committed to keeping Crockett County a safe place for our all of citizens."

[Zuiderelle]

54. Thanks. Added your link to the OP.

[Myrina]

50. Not sure what to think about this ...

... why '102' African Americans to be killed in the plot?

... what a coinkydink that ATF would swoop in and save the day, just a week before the election?


Is this for real, or is this a "be afraid of chaos if the 'black man' wins" card? :shrug:

[ck4829]

57. 102 - It's a rather gruesome detail

They wanted to shoot 88 people and decapitate 14 more, thus 102 people killed.

[Zuiderelle]

62. And apparently the numbers 88 and 14 have some skinhead meaning.

[Patiod]

68. 88 is Heil Hilter

(8th letter of the alphabet)

DK what 14 is

It's amazing what I picked up in the joint (kidding)

[Zuiderelle]

75. Figures, numerology then. Oy. Then 14... 1=A and 4=D. AD?

[Jamastiene]

129. 14 words...

is some bullshit slogan about "preserving the white race" that they chant while doing the nazi salute thing. I could look it up and post it here, but I don't believe in spreading it. Just search nazi+"14 words" online and you'll see what I'm talking about.

[last_texas_dem]

77. 88 stands for "Heil Hitler"

(two H's starting the words, with H being the 8th letter of the alphabet) and 14 is for the number of words in a slogan they adopted. (I had heard about 88 before, but had to look up 14. Scary stuff...)

http://www.splcenter.org/intel/intelreport/article.jsp?sid=384

[bigworld]

67. 88 is skinhead "code" - kind of like a secret handshake

... not sure what 14 represents.

[ck4829]

69. "14 words"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourteen_Words

[Zuiderelle]

76. Oh jeez! :(

[Divernan]

88. My first thought was ATF set up a couple of idiots to influence the election

I have heard many, many undecided voters say they were very concerned that Obama would be assasinated if elected.

What fed agency was it that set up the group of idiots re "terrorist" attacks - blowing up the Sears Tower or something? The fed undercover guy was manipulating them like mad - the "terrorists" were so broke, the feds bought them some shoes!

So who was the ATF source that ratted out these two?

[jwirr]

117. Supposedly it has something to do with Skinhead code numbers

14 & 88.

[mitchum]

51. Looks like the McPalin campaign just lost some more campaign workers

[Name removed]

52. Deleted message

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[nyc 4 Biden]

59. Prison Justice?

These guys are going to be hero's in the prison system. They'll just hang with their white power brethren. Watch MSNBC on off-hours, you'll be a prison system expert like me.

[pipi_k]

90. If there's any justice...

the White Power faction will be outnumbered 10 to 1 by the Black street gangs in the joint.

We'll see then how the heroes make out....

[TroglodyteScholar]

95. Eh, it won't be any cakewalk..

At the end of 2005, Black and Hispanic prisoners accounted for 60% of the prison population with sentences of 1 year or greater..

http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/abstract/p05.htm

[Courtesy Flush]

53. They were going to kill kids? Unbelieveable! n/t

[baldguy]

97. You don't think these cowards would attack anyone who could actually FIGHT BACK?

[slampoet]

127. Skinheads NEVER attack anyone who can fight back and if they do it is in Numbers.

Almost any single skinhead will get his ass kicked, but I have NEVER seen any of them ever act alone in 25 years of dealing with them.

[David Zephyr]

56. George W. Bush is responsible for the safety of Senator Obama. Period.

George W. Bush is in charge of the Executive Branch, the Secret Service, the FBI, the CIA and the Homeland Defense Department.

George W. Bush is responsible for the saftety of Senator Obama. Period.

[fascisthunter]

60. There's Your GOP....

[Auggie]

65. I hope his protection triples

[OhioChick]

71. You and me both. n/t

[jasmeel]

70. Hey Palin - would this be terrorism? You betcha!

[santamargarita]

72. Neo-Nazi skinheads = Republican operatives

~

[GinaMaria]

73. 18 and 20 years old

I don't know much about skinheads. Do they tend to have younger people in their membership? What age group do they target for recruitment?

Sad news. This is so depressing.

[Jamastiene]

130. They target teens because they can prey on the typical

teen feelings of alienation. What they do is prey on the feelings of "not fitting in" and being a loner type. They ply them with beer, cigarettes, sometimes drugs, and indoctrinate them into that world. It's like brainwashing/mind control. It's sick.

[nichomachus]

78. Probably more mutual boasting than anything else

It doesn't sound this these two yahoos had the grey matter to pull it off. They arrest the guy on an unrelated charge and he blabs to whole plot to them? Please.

These guys are like Joe the Plumber who's going to make $250,000 a year as a plumber even though he's not a plumber.

I'm not saying they're not dangerous, but I doubt they could pull off the mayhem they bragged about.

[Zuiderelle]

80. It would take a lot of skill to hurt and kill some people in their attempt though.

[SemperEadem]

98. or a high powered assault rifle and good aim

[Zuiderelle]

103. Yeah, and I meant "It would NOT take a lot of skill"

Past the editing window though. Oh well. :)

[nichomachus]

116. I said they were dangerous, but not quite the Rambos they thought they were

[Azlady]

81. This is again an affect of the Palin chatter n/t

[buddysmellgood]

82. Palin was right. Some parts of America are antiAmerican. eom

[Doctor_J]

84. This won't be the last. The country and the world should thank ATF tonight

[FlyingSquirrel]

85. A skinhead named "Cowart"? That's too rich.

Add "of Bells, Tennessee" and he's got some Cowbell goin' on there too.

[qwlauren35]

86. The AP Title is Unwarranted and Inflammatory

It's two ****-offs with a fantasy of a shooting spree. They had one gun. And wanted to rob a gun store.

Calling it a skinhead "plot" is a ridiculous exaggeration. It gives those two losers a lot more importance than they deserve.

It would be one thing to say that they foiled a Columbine repeat. The rest is simply unconscionable. We are already a nation on edge.

Crap like this could start a race riot before the 4th.

[scarface2004]

87. they mean palin campaign plot!!!

skinheads my ass...they always get made patsies!!!

[Reform]

91. Here's a youtube link

:P

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8SQ5IyZSDSM

[Algorem]

92. where was joe the skinhead,i mean "plumber"?

[Doodler71]

94. I'll take "Domestic Terrorism" for $1000 Alex...

A plot to murder and decapitate American citizens and a presidential candidate.

Racist nutjobs, also known as McCain/Palin base.

[Politicalboi]

99. This could be another

Scare tactic by the Repubes. It can scare those who think that if Obama gets elected he will be assassinated so they will be scared to vote for him. I know of one person who feels this way, so he's not going to vote. And also the threat of killing 102 AA seems far fetched to me. Espsecially since so far this comes down to 2 guys. Scare the Black vote.

[bitchkitty]

140. I know what you mean.

I really don't think that is the case, but it's hard not to be suspicious of anything that we hear through our media.

[chat_noir]

100. Gordon Liddy's quote on Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms

"If the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms insists upon a firefight, give them a firefight. Just remember, they're wearing flak jackets and you're better off shooting for the head."


Liddy is McCain's buddy.


:mad:

[liberalhistorian]

114. Yes, that sick fuck screamed

"head shots, head shots, kill the sons of bitches" on his radio show in the 90's. That, along with his "jack-booted thugs" statement, was what finally prompted Poppy Bush to terminate his membership in the NRA. Never mind that he (Liddy) was once one of those "sons of bitches" as an FBI agent, and had a wife and children to go home to, just like other agents do. And he's been totally and completely unrepentant over everything he's done these past thirty five years and is still treated as some kind of patriotic hero, it's truly, unbelievably sickening.

And he's a friend of McCain's, did you say? For real?

[4lbs]

101. Here's what 88 and 14 mean.

88
========

The eighth letter of the alphabet is 'H'

88 = HH = Heil Hitler



14
========
The fourteenth letter of the alphabet is 'N'

N meaning Nazi
N could also stand for the 'N-word', the racial remark regarding African-Americans

14 is also the 14 words in the white supremist code.


88 + 14 = 102

[DS1]

102. And 102 is when I have a fever

for MORE COWBELL!

[entanglement]

122. 14 = 14 words : "We must secure the existence of our people and a future for our children"

[manray11]

106. Neo Nazi Plot to aassinate Obama

Source: Gaurdian/UK

Law enforcement officers have foiled a plot by two neo-Nazis who aimed to assassinate Barack Obama and kill 102 other black people, according to court records unsealed today.

The disrupted plot involved robbing a gun store to obtain weapons that the two skinheads would use against Obama and black students in the state of Tennessee, according to the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms (ATF), a US law enforcement agency.

Read more: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/oct/27/uselections2008-barackobama-neo-nazi-plot

[dipsydoodle]

119. Strange how the term "skinhead"

eventually took on a completely different connotation from its origin of a kinda music associated fashion statement. It was all about music in the first place : ska, reggae and rocksteady. It brought together the white and black kids through music.

A skinhead is a member of a subculture that originated among working class youths in the United Kingdom in the 1960s, and then spread to other parts of the world. Named for their close-cropped or shaven heads, the first skinheads were greatly influenced by West Indian (specifically Jamaican) rude boys and British mods, in terms of fashion, music and lifestyle.<1><2> Originally, the skinhead subculture was primarily based on those elements, not politics or race.<2> Since then, however, attitudes toward race and politics have become factors in which some skinheads align themselves. The political spectrum within the skinhead scene ranges from the far right to the far left, although many skinheads are apolitical. Fashion-wise, skinheads range from a clean-cut 1960s mod-influenced style to less-strict punk- and hardcore-influenced styles.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skinhead

...the tribute to all skinheads, rude boys, mods and punks in the world... http://oioioi.ru/english/index.html

[Jamastiene]

131. Those Neo-Nazi jerks are boneheads.

I always insist that "skinheads" is not really the right term to use to describe them. Real skinheads were never about racist bullshit until American boneheads perverted the culture. Now, all we hear are that they are skinheads when in reality, they are Neo-Nazi boneheads. The ones who started the skinhead movement were never about racist ideology.

[jennied]

107. I fear the crazy things that's gonna happen when Barack is elected.

[livetohike]

108. The "B" girl had on a Tennessee hoodie when she was arrested

Any link to this? I wonder.

[fascisthunter]

110. So, Palin... are These Your "Real Americans"?

[Pavulon]

111. Dont get me wrong

I am sure these guys are douche bags. However I doubt these two could plan a circle jerk. I would hope that there are others who have not been indicted and these two are just pawns.

I do not worry about people who have to pull off some robbery to arm themselves. There are mcveigh types who have the knowledge and backing to carry out a real attempt. Those people worry me.

This is a serious concern.

[Festivito]

120. Those names. I had to assure this did not lead to the Onion.

Coward and Such-less-a-man.

Maybe there is a reason why they went nuts with an inferiority complex: Nazi god-complex power-mad outlet.

I don't mean to make fun of someones name, but these guys do fit this particular desecration of their names.

[GinaMaria]

121. sadly, not an onion post

I wish it was. kudos to the ATF today.

[entanglement]

123. Photo of accused

From the Sun, UK (Yeah, I know it's a trashy tabloid :) )

[Amonester]

126. this sh*thead idiot surely thinks he's a movie star... nt

[Occulus]

128. If so, he needs to call the makeup department of the studio NOW NOW NOW

:rofl:

[Amonester]

135. Yeeks... the makeup department he's heading... (pun intented)

to isn't the one he fabulated about for years ...

Methinks he's gonna need meds for quite a while.

What a waste.

Flicks should be made to HELP Education, not to destroy it.

[illuminaughty]

134. What 's the difference between a Domestic Terrorist

and Sarah Palin? Apparently, not even LIPSTICK! WTF is up with this dude?:evilfrown:

[mikeytherat]

139. I thoght the blue eyeliner and lash extensions were a nice touch.

mikey_the_rat

[goforit]

138. Please contact the Southern law poverty center to find out where all skin heads are.