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RamboLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 03:22 PM Original message |
New rules ease ban on guns in national parks |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 03:33 PM Response to Original message |
1. 2010 - Violent Crime Increases in National Parks |
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krispos42 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 04:09 PM Response to Reply #1 |
4. Unlikely |
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Lautremont (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 05:30 PM Response to Reply #4 |
10. On the other hand, d) seems fairly likely to me. |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 07:15 PM Response to Reply #10 |
15. Is there a problem with permit-holders popping off pigeons in urban parks now? |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-06-08 12:16 AM Response to Reply #10 |
18. And then other people will interpret that to mean |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-09-08 12:08 PM Response to Reply #18 |
111. Yes criminals will continue to ignore the law. |
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katty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-09-08 01:07 PM Response to Reply #18 |
116. yep-this is not a good idea-whoops...my shot obstructed by trees |
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alarimer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-06-08 05:43 PM Response to Reply #10 |
61. I fear for the wildlife more than anything. |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-06-08 07:25 PM Response to Reply #61 |
74. Highly unlikely that permit holders are going to poach. |
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Winterblues (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-08-08 12:14 PM Response to Reply #4 |
105. Criminals are more likely to burglerize you if they know you could have a gun for them to steal. |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-09-08 11:51 AM Response to Reply #105 |
108. Kind of hard to "burglarize" a gun that is being carried concealed. |
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Winterblues (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-09-08 12:02 PM Response to Reply #108 |
109. It has been reported very often that guns are a high target for theft. |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-09-08 12:06 PM Response to Reply #109 |
110. We are talking about firearms that are being carried by the owners. |
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Winterblues (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-09-08 12:10 PM Response to Reply #110 |
112. This is about allowing loaded firearms into National Parks. |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-09-08 12:40 PM Response to Reply #112 |
113. This is about letting people with CCW permits carry concealed firearms in National Parks. |
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xxqqqzme (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-09-08 01:29 PM Response to Reply #4 |
118. You want me to believe those concealed weapons will |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-09-08 03:55 PM Response to Reply #118 |
122. What do you suppose the situation is right now? |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-10-08 03:03 PM Response to Reply #118 |
129. Then they'll be arrested and charged with a felony. |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 07:00 PM Response to Reply #1 |
14. Please feel free to remind us of your prediction if that happens |
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JonQ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-06-08 01:43 PM Response to Reply #1 |
24. You really think the criminally inclined |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-06-08 05:15 PM Response to Reply #1 |
51. U.S. Rangers, Park Police Sustain Record Levels of Violence |
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krispos42 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 03:34 PM Response to Original message |
2. Consistancy. |
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Kolesar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 03:57 PM Response to Original message |
3. Typical divisive politics by bush * |
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Mabus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 04:16 PM Response to Original message |
5. After what happened to me this morning in Rock Creek Park, I hope RCP isn't included |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 07:00 PM Response to Reply #5 |
13. Do you really think some angry pantless park hooker-slapper john is going to give a flying fuck |
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Mabus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-06-08 02:01 PM Response to Reply #13 |
26. Well I think his chances to get a valid permit are far less likely now |
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michreject (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-06-08 04:47 PM Response to Reply #26 |
45. DC didn't ease the rule on carrying a gun |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-07-08 10:02 AM Response to Reply #26 |
88. DC residents cannot get concealed firearms permits |
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Jack_DeLeon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 04:30 PM Response to Original message |
6. Nice, hopefully Obama wont use his executive power to remove this... |
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Duppers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-06-08 04:43 PM Response to Reply #6 |
44. same here |
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customerserviceguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-08-08 12:55 AM Response to Reply #6 |
98. Something smells like setup |
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Owl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 04:32 PM Response to Original message |
7. Blecchhh. |
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Stump (808 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 04:35 PM Response to Original message |
8. Good law.... |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 05:39 PM Response to Reply #8 |
11. yep, I have been breaking this law for a decade |
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geomon666 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 04:47 PM Response to Original message |
9. And the regression continues... n/t |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 06:57 PM Response to Original message |
12. Makes perfect sense |
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bread_and_roses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 07:29 PM Response to Original message |
16. oh, good. more dead people in our national parks (n/t) |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-06-08 04:52 PM Response to Reply #16 |
47. Anything to back up that assertion? |
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-..__... (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 08:47 PM Response to Original message |
17. Most excellent! |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-06-08 11:12 AM Response to Original message |
19. What will Obama do? He will anger the gun control crowd if he doesn't sign an executive continuing |
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Lasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-06-08 11:27 AM Response to Original message |
20. Promoting Interior Department policy conformance with SCOTUS Second Amendment ruling this June |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-06-08 12:14 PM Response to Original message |
21. Gun people aren't going to be happy until they've trampled over the rights of everybody else |
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Lorien (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-06-08 12:32 PM Response to Reply #21 |
22. Not to mention robbery and rapes |
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JonQ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-06-08 04:05 PM Response to Reply #22 |
31. Aren't you? |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-06-08 04:23 PM Response to Reply #22 |
36. HUH? |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-09-08 04:21 PM Response to Reply #22 |
124. Still nothing to back that up, right? |
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anonymous171 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-06-08 03:24 PM Response to Reply #21 |
28. How does that affect your rights? |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-06-08 03:59 PM Response to Reply #28 |
29. Well, first of all, the NRA trampled all over the rights of the people of Missouri |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-06-08 04:04 PM Response to Reply #29 |
30. You describe a LEGAL |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-06-08 04:10 PM Response to Reply #30 |
33. Legal, yes, but certainly against the spirit of what the people in this state wanted |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-06-08 05:56 PM Response to Reply #33 |
65. Your home sure |
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JonQ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-06-08 04:09 PM Response to Reply #29 |
32. I don't think you have a right to peace of mind. |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-06-08 04:19 PM Response to Reply #32 |
34. Oh, I think that peace of mind is covered in the Declaration of Independence |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-06-08 04:26 PM Response to Reply #34 |
37. Your own paranoia is affecting your state of mind. |
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JonQ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-06-08 04:32 PM Response to Reply #34 |
40. You put alot of stake in the declaration |
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420inTN (803 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-09-08 06:14 PM Response to Reply #34 |
128. Re: CCW holder restraints |
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anonymous171 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-06-08 04:42 PM Response to Reply #32 |
43. Correct. I would love it if RW radio was illegal. |
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michreject (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-06-08 04:50 PM Response to Reply #21 |
46. I don't want to trample your rights |
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alarimer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-06-08 05:44 PM Response to Reply #21 |
62. they can go to hell. |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-07-08 09:53 PM Response to Reply #62 |
95. What a rational argument. |
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Mtnboy (6 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-06-08 06:05 PM Response to Reply #21 |
67. Oh come on! |
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Richard Steele (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-06-08 06:10 PM Response to Reply #21 |
68. A lot of those "gun people" you're smearing with that silly broad-brush are DEMOCRATS. |
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petronius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-06-08 01:19 PM Response to Original message |
23. Seems like a balanced and correct law to me - way to go, NPS! |
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Owl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-06-08 01:54 PM Response to Original message |
25. I'd be too damned scared to watch Old Faithful if I wasn't packin' heat! |
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Owl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-06-08 02:50 PM Response to Original message |
27. I dang near shat my pants when a squirrel-like thing jumped in the bushes in Yellowstone! |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-06-08 04:29 PM Response to Reply #27 |
39. Then it's good that you don't have a CCW permit. |
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Owl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-06-08 07:06 PM Response to Reply #39 |
70. Bhwrahhhhahhhhhaaaa!!!!!!!! |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-06-08 07:29 PM Response to Reply #70 |
76. I thought you would like that. |
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Owl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-06-08 05:58 PM Response to Reply #27 |
66. If only I had my 30.06 with me. |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-06-08 07:29 PM Response to Reply #66 |
75. I haven't seen a 30-06 that you could carry concealed, you seem to be ignorant of the law here. |
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Owl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-06-08 04:19 PM Response to Original message |
35. Sorry. It's pure stupidity to carry side-arms in our National Parks. |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-06-08 04:28 PM Response to Reply #35 |
38. So our National Parks are safe and visitors have nothing to fear? |
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Owl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-06-08 04:37 PM Response to Reply #38 |
41. Afraid of a gopher? |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-06-08 04:40 PM Response to Reply #41 |
42. Is that a yes? |
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Owl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-06-08 04:56 PM Response to Reply #42 |
48. "Is that a yes?"... what? Makes no sense. Try again. |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-06-08 05:00 PM Response to Reply #48 |
49. You responded with a question to my question, so I asked if your question was a yes. |
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Owl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-06-08 05:23 PM Response to Reply #49 |
53. Have trouble reading? |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-06-08 05:26 PM Response to Reply #53 |
54. You seem to. I'll take your non-answers as a concession of defeat. |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-06-08 05:20 PM Response to Reply #48 |
52. So I guess that means you've got nothing? I'll take that as a concession of defeat. |
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Owl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-06-08 05:27 PM Response to Reply #52 |
55. Nonsense. My original post stands. |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-06-08 05:31 PM Response to Reply #55 |
56. Your original post is asinine, don't let the facts get in the way of a your opinions. |
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Owl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-06-08 05:40 PM Response to Reply #42 |
57. Hint. Gophers aren't scary. |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-06-08 05:43 PM Response to Reply #57 |
60. More drivel, I answered your question about gophers, you weren't that courteous though. |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-06-08 05:48 PM Response to Reply #57 |
64. You are scared of squirrels, I put no irrational fear out of reach of a gun grabber. |
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Owl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-06-08 07:15 PM Response to Reply #64 |
71. Please seek help. |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-06-08 07:22 PM Response to Reply #71 |
73. Just quoting you. |
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XemaSab (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-09-08 03:23 PM Response to Reply #57 |
120. You ever been bit by one? |
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Owl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-06-08 06:39 PM Response to Reply #41 |
69. Is that a yes? |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-06-08 07:21 PM Response to Reply #69 |
72. I answered your questions, you don't have the courtesy to do the same. |
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Owl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-06-08 08:09 PM Response to Reply #38 |
77. Deleted |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-06-08 05:10 PM Response to Reply #35 |
50. U.S. Rangers, Park Police Sustain Record Levels of Violence |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-06-08 05:42 PM Response to Reply #35 |
58. This little thread is a great example of the gun grabbers problem. |
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alarimer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-06-08 05:42 PM Response to Original message |
59. No fucking way. |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-06-08 05:45 PM Response to Reply #59 |
63. Sorry scared, little ninny civil rights opponents don't get their way on this one. |
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Owl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-06-08 08:15 PM Response to Reply #63 |
78. Gun grabbers? That deserves another 'Bhwrahhhhahhhhhaaaa!!!!!!!!" |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-06-08 08:21 PM Response to Reply #78 |
79. Who said anything about gun grabbers? |
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Owl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-06-08 08:32 PM Response to Reply #79 |
80. "... I put no irrational fear out of reach of a gun grabber." FMD |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-06-08 08:35 PM Response to Reply #80 |
82. Then you are terribly misinformed. |
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Owl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-06-08 08:49 PM Response to Reply #82 |
83. Alright, here's your chance to explain. |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-06-08 09:25 PM Response to Reply #83 |
84. Okay. |
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Owl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-06-08 10:04 PM Response to Reply #84 |
85. Thank you for your reasoned response. |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-06-08 10:29 PM Response to Reply #85 |
87. Thank you. |
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Mtnboy (6 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-06-08 10:05 PM Response to Reply #83 |
86. Great work |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-07-08 11:26 AM Response to Reply #86 |
90. That Could be applied to Those who Want to Carry Guns in National Parks |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-07-08 07:11 PM Response to Reply #90 |
93. Feel free to point out any uninformed remarks that I have posted. |
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pipoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-07-08 11:04 PM Response to Reply #93 |
97. It always comes back to the same paradox |
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Mtnboy (6 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-08-08 10:11 AM Response to Reply #93 |
101. Read this |
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jmowreader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-06-08 08:33 PM Response to Original message |
81. Death Valley and Yellowstone are National Parks |
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XemaSab (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-09-08 03:33 PM Response to Reply #81 |
121. It would be hard to grow weed in Death Valley |
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Xithras (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-10-08 03:09 PM Response to Reply #81 |
130. A tourist was kidnapped by pot growers in Yosemite a couple of years ago. |
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Sex Pistol (257 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-07-08 10:58 AM Response to Original message |
89. Excellent news...!!! It's nice when a decision comes down on the side of freedom. |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-07-08 11:28 AM Response to Original message |
91. Gun Sales Go Up... YAY for Gun Manufacturers |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-07-08 09:52 PM Response to Reply #91 |
94. Yes we do know, thanks for admitting it. |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-08-08 08:07 AM Response to Reply #91 |
99. Please be sure to share us a cite to the actual statistics that show increased gun sales |
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lynne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-07-08 02:11 PM Response to Original message |
92. Criminals already carry their guns into parks, malls, buses, restaurants and everywhere else - |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-07-08 09:55 PM Response to Reply #92 |
96. Please don't confuse the gun grabbers with the facts. |
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Mtnboy (6 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-08-08 10:16 AM Response to Reply #96 |
102. bravo! |
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LanternWaste (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-08-08 08:53 AM Response to Original message |
100. least my pal two counties over has a pretty large parcel of land |
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Mtnboy (6 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-08-08 10:18 AM Response to Reply #100 |
103. It is.. |
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LanternWaste (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-08-08 10:53 AM Response to Reply #103 |
104. Bless your little heart... |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-09-08 12:44 PM Response to Reply #100 |
114. I have had confrontations with hunters trespassing on private property. |
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LanternWaste (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-09-08 02:18 PM Response to Reply #114 |
119. merely my fondness for being around unarmed people |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-09-08 04:11 PM Response to Reply #119 |
123. Kind of hard to have a confrontation with a hunter who isn't armed. |
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LanternWaste (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-09-08 05:02 PM Response to Reply #123 |
125. I'll go with the Vegas odds and bet against it... |
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Fire_Medic_Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-09-08 05:25 PM Response to Reply #125 |
126. On that we can agree. |
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qwlauren35 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-08-08 04:33 PM Response to Original message |
106. Why Concealed? |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-08-08 04:56 PM Response to Reply #106 |
107. Open carry makes a lot of people nervous, and could be taken as provocative |
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Mari333 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-09-08 01:00 PM Response to Original message |
115. park service employees not happy |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-09-08 01:25 PM Response to Reply #115 |
117. The Coalition of National Park Service Retirees does not speak for all park service employees |
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Jack_DeLeon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-09-08 05:35 PM Response to Reply #115 |
127. If they dont like it they can quit... |
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