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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-20-09 01:25 PM
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Chief Justice Roberts stumbles (reversed several words in the oath of office)
Source: AP

Chief Justice John Roberts swore in President-elect Barack Obama as president of the United States on Tuesday with a slight stumble over the wording of the oath of office in the first of what could be many important interactions between two men who rose to their positions of power quickly and who have some background similarities, but whose politics differ.

...

But at one point, Obama paused abruptly after Roberts reversed several words in the oath.

The oath includes the phrase "that I will faithfully execute the office of president of the United States" but Roberts didn't say "faithfully" until after saying "president of the United States."

Obama apparently realized that something was out of order.

With Obama not reciting, Roberts then repeated the phrase correctly, the brief awkward moment ended and Obama was back on track.

Read more: http://www.mercurynews.com/breakingnews/ci_11498044
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-20-09 01:27 PM
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1. Roberts should resign over this flagrant violation of his constitutional duties
Despicable.
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fed_up_mother Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-20-09 01:30 PM
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2. Chill. They were both nervous. Obama rushed. Roberts stopped. Screwed up. etc.
They both looked like nervous grooms to me. :)
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Xenotime Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-20-09 01:54 PM
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15. I have heard that some are going to take it to court.
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Cronopio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-20-09 02:10 PM
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25. Let's hope not. We all should have had enough of that kind of petty shit over the last 8 years. nt
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Terran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-20-09 02:23 PM
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27. Take WHAT to court?
Edited on Tue Jan-20-09 02:24 PM by Terran
The oath of office isn't even necessary for him to become President. It happened automatically at noon.

Edit: it occurs to me there may have been sarcasm...sorry if I missed it. :blush:
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-20-09 02:35 PM
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30. Constitution Art II Sec 1: "Before he enter on the Execution of his Office, he shall take
Edited on Tue Jan-20-09 02:35 PM by struggle4progress
the following Oath or Affirmation: I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States"

But of course no one sane holds that such an oath or affirmation becomes invalid, if the person administering it or the person taking it fumbles it slightly, especially if the fumble is corrected: it is not a test of skill as an actor but a solemnizing of good-faith commitment to the rule-of-law defined by the Constitution
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Terran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-20-09 02:38 PM
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32. Hmph, my mistake
Someone who seemed to know whereof they spoke told me earlier today the Oath isn't mandatory.
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NYC Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-20-09 02:54 PM
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35. Obama became president at noon oath or not. The oath is required
before actually exercising the powers and duties of the office.
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Terran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-20-09 03:53 PM
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43. Thanks for explaining.
Something not covered in any civics class I ever took.
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 01:21 AM
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59. I have no idea what it would mean, that you imagine someone could be President
without having the authority to exercise the powers and duties of the office, since the office is defined by its powers and duties -- though I suppose the question could arise and be important under certain limited circumstances, which I prefer not to imagine
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 10:03 AM
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64. The Cheshire Cat, smiling without a face, etc.
Problems in the Philosophy of Language.

Or Nietzsche: the "doer" is nothing but the deed, a set of capacities. Without the power to act as president, there is no president. The separation of the lightning from its striking is a trick of language, a trick of grammar: there is no lightning separate from its striking, even if we can separate the phrase "Lightning strikes" into a subject (Lightning) and a verb (to strike), and thereby create the illusion that the doer precedes or exists outside the deed. Similarly for a President and his or her powers: the "President" is nothing but a set of powers; they can only be separated through the most absurdist language tricks, little artifices of grammar.
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-20-09 03:25 PM
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41. MSNBC and CNN both reported that Obama became President at Noon, even if he doesn't take the oath.nt
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mcg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 03:38 PM
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65. On the news they said there would be a do over in private,
it has happened before.
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Ediacara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-20-09 01:39 PM
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3. As should all people who've ever made a mistake ever
:eyes:
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Occulus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-20-09 04:20 PM
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45. It *is* a bit odd, though
I would say Roberts has little experience in front of large crowds, and got rattled by the enormity of the audience.

Stage fright.

That said, one would presume he'd been prepared over and over to give the oath. It's not as if his function there was terribly complicated, after all.
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 03:57 PM
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67. I would presume someone with what it takes to become CJ of the SCOTUS
would be someone who didn't get nervous.

But we're talking a Chimp pick, here.

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cui bono Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-20-09 01:40 PM
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4. Oh please.
:eyes:

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Wednesdays Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-20-09 03:17 PM
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39. Exactly.
"Roberts should resign over this flagrant violation of his constitutional duties."

You got that right...except none of that has to do with what happened today.
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rpannier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-20-09 05:43 PM
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49. He was nervous
Give it a rest

I'd be nervous if I was him too
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 07:56 AM
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63. Perhaps not resign, but it's no time to ask "the boss" for a pay raise Johnny Boy.
:evilgrin:
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Tempest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-20-09 01:40 PM
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5. It makes sense Roberts would stumble on the word "faithfully"

Considering how Roberts has ignored it since he took his seat in the SC.
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-20-09 01:50 PM
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10. I wonder if he stumbles
When he uses the toilet paper
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-20-09 02:05 PM
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21. You got that right, Temp! It was a Freudian moment.
:thumbsup:
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unblock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-20-09 01:44 PM
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6. let the conspiracy theories begin!
roberts tried to trick obama! he deliberately used the wrong phrasing so they would later be able to say that he was never properly sworn in as president!

i'm series!!!11!!!!!1!
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liberalhistorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-20-09 01:48 PM
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8. OMG, that is just so
HUGH!!1111111

:rofl: :rofl:
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central scrutinizer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-20-09 01:54 PM
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14. Yes, it was a Rovian trick! MIHOP! LIHOP!
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420inTN Donating Member (803 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-20-09 01:58 PM
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16. I was thinking the same thing when it happened
"Oh great, here come the conspiracies."
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Usrename Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-20-09 02:01 PM
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19. I certainly don't put it past him.
He was up to his neck in the Florida recount, advising Jeb on how to best screw the voters and silence the voice of the people.

Look at how big the birth certificate story is. Can you imagine if he wasn't properly sworn in?

It won't take much to get me to buy into the theory. Although it was a BIG crowd, and that does tend to make people nervous.
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chusmeria Donating Member (25 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-20-09 01:47 PM
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7. we sure it was a seizure Roberts had and not a stroke?
nt
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pasto76 Donating Member (835 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-20-09 01:49 PM
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9. i think there is some psycology in there
some inner turmoil and guilt caused roberts to screw it up. I mean, even little kids can remember all the babble that goes along with their first communion.

"aw c'mon!" -pastor manning

Im glad to be able to expect responsible decisions from our civilian leadership again. I will re-enlist this summer.


SGT PASTO
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Phred42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-20-09 01:50 PM
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11. Heckova Job Bobbie.


Just typical incompetence from Republican Appointees
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Juan_de_la_Dem Donating Member (800 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-20-09 01:51 PM
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12. They'll get it right next time. No worries
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RedEarth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-20-09 01:53 PM
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13. TPM: Chris Wallace is saying it might end up in the courts
Edited on Tue Jan-20-09 01:56 PM by RedEarth
With a bit of humor in his voice but not completely clear he was joking.

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2009/01/fox_eats_wallaces_brain.php

Also from TPM.......

Dump That Meme ...


Drudge is saying it. And weirdly the AP is even falling for it too, saying Obama flubbed the oath. But that's clearly not what happened if you actually watch the video. It was Roberts who flubbed it. (ABC got it right; what's with AP? Following Drudge? Still a GOP town?)


http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2009/01/dump_that_meme.php
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420inTN Donating Member (803 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-20-09 01:59 PM
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17. what's the big deal
They go to a back room and do it again, and get it right this time.
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RedEarth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-20-09 02:03 PM
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20. It's not a big deal, it's the right wing freaks on fake news and hate radio
that might try and make it a big deal...but, it's not. Especially when you watch the video of Obama taking the oath. You can see him smiling and waiting for Roberts to state the oath correctly.
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Hugabear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-20-09 11:30 PM
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57. I'm sure Hannity and Weiner Savage will be all over that
Fucking hatemongers.
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leftynyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-20-09 04:13 PM
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44. Exactly
And he didnt even need Roberts to do it. Michelle could administer the oath (and probably should have - she would not have screwed it up).
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-20-09 02:37 PM
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31. Roberts flubbed.
First, he should have paused after "I, Barack Obama," because that is where the pause naturally takes place. Obama started to recite "I, Barack Obama," while Roberts was continuing the sentence. That threw Roberts off and he forgot to say the word "faithfully," before the verb "to execute." Fortunately, "faithfully" is an adverb that can be placed at the end of the sentence. Obama gracefully gave Roberts time to correct his error, but then repeated the error.

Roberts strikes me as being very shy. I think Roberts just got confused. If you look at Roberts' face when he begins to say the oath, he looks extremely serious -- downright terrified. Poor guy. As usual, Obama was all love and grace. I suspect that Obama has made a friend for life in Roberts.
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glinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-20-09 01:59 PM
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18. Roberts is TOAST
I believe Obama will remember that and eventually it will affect Roberts. Not by being mean but he will remember it.
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Cronopio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-20-09 02:09 PM
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24. When Roberts and Obama get into an argument about the Constitution, and they will ...
... Obama can now say "Hey, who screwed up the oath dude?"

It's ammo.
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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-20-09 08:19 PM
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53. LOL!
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kiranon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-20-09 05:41 PM
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47. He will remember that he makes Chief Justice Roberts nervous and wonder why.
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nolabear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-20-09 02:06 PM
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22. Trickster reminds us to be humble
It's a wonderfully Indian moment, a "Don't get too sure of yourself; shit happens to you too" lesson. Between that and Reverend Lowry's playfulness I think it was perfect. Obama is the calm center, but even he can make a false start and have to wait patiently for a stumble.
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frebrd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-20-09 02:07 PM
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23. Did I hear wrongly.....
or did Roberts say President "to" the United States, not "of" the United States?
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-20-09 02:39 PM
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33. You heard right. I have a real good ear for that sort of thing.
You are right. Roberts said "to." Not "of."
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scytherius Donating Member (576 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-20-09 02:15 PM
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26. *shrug* It's not a perfect world. Screws fall out.
I don't give a damn if he said it backwards. Obama is President!!!!!!!!
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Myrina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-20-09 02:29 PM
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28. Yeah, I loved the look on Prez O's face ... as if to say
... "son, make an appointment with my secretary and I'll tutor you in some Constitutional Law" ...

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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2Design Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-20-09 02:31 PM
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29. kick
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-20-09 02:39 PM
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34. "two men who rose to their positions of power quickly and who have some background similarities"?
roberts was a community organizer?
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pjt7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-20-09 03:00 PM
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36. Why did they announce Obama's middle name as H
in the beginging, but Roberts swore hm in as Barack Hussein Obama?

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Kolesar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-20-09 03:10 PM
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38. At least he didn't call him Herbert Horatio Hornblower...eom
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-20-09 07:56 PM
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52. Obama wanted to use "Hussein" during the oath
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Cronus Protagonist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-20-09 03:10 PM
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37. He also said president TO, not "of" the United States
That "slip" was more telling.
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-20-09 03:24 PM
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40. Reich-wing will say this renders his oath inoperative and invalidates his Presidency. n/t
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Endangered Specie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-20-09 04:24 PM
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46. But technically Obama becomes President by time
12:00pm EST 20 Jan... belive its in the 21st or 22nd amendment.
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mcg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-09 01:28 PM
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68. They did, but the do-over deflates them. nt
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specimenfred1984 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-20-09 03:33 PM
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42. Roberts is an anti-American who conspires against the U.S. daily
He's a repuke who disguises his anti-American activities by hiding behind a Constitution he has no intention of supporting, as do all members of the Federalist Society.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-20-09 05:41 PM
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48. Well said, specimenfred1984.
Listening to NPR or Bill Press this morning:

The talker mentioned Laurence Tribe, Harvard law prof and yaya, who said Obama was the brightest student he ever taught. Tribe failed to mention that he also taught Roberts, the crook.
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unkachuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-20-09 09:38 PM
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54. roberts did it intentionally.....
....didn't Obama vote against his confirmation? Payback?

....how often does a repug get a free shot at wiping a large snot on a Dem adversary?....come back tomorrow, come back in a 200 years, and that snot will still there....

....a historic event, a historic President, a historic republican snot wiped on the occasion....
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-20-09 06:07 PM
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50. What a tool. Can he be impeached over this?
:eyes:
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Aristus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-20-09 06:23 PM
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51. I'm not even a lawyer, and I could get this one thrown out of court. Any freeper
trying to get Obama's inauguration invalidated would have to prove INTENT; did President Obama deliberately flub the oath, with intent to deceive? (And just as important, from a logical standpoint: why would he want to?) The burden of proof is on the prosecution, your Honor...

Case dismissed!

Everybody move on...
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-20-09 10:18 PM
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55. So much for the "brilliant legal mind"
Roberts is- and always was, just another 2 bit fundamentalist ideologue.
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FSogol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-20-09 10:31 PM
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56. Roberts realized that one day everyone would be booing him, just like they did for Bush. n/t
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Enrique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-20-09 11:47 PM
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58. "see why I voted not to confirm you?"
I know that's what Obama was thinking during that pause.
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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 05:19 AM
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61. Roberts is an idiot
all he had to do was get 35 words right. And we're stuck with this moron leftover for how many years at CJ/SCOTUS??
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SemiCharmedQuark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 07:53 AM
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62. LOL
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snot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 03:11 AM
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60. i'd like to blog this, but your link's not working . . .
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 03:43 PM
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66. Roberts really screwed up, but Obama did not fall for it.
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