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Dulcinea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-09 02:28 PM
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Man crashes vehicle into Planned Parenthood in St. Paul (Minnesota)
Source: KARE


ST. PAUL -- A man purposely rammed a vehicle into front door of Planned Parenthood in Highland Park.

The incident happened at 7:30 a.m. on Thursday in St. Paul.

A 32-year-old man told St. Paul Police he intentionally drove his SUV into the front door of the Planned Parenthood located at 1965 Ford Parkway in St. Paul.

A spokesperson for Planned Parenthood says one employee was at the front desk ten feet from the door. Most of the staff was in the building preparing to open for the day. No one was injured.

The man was immediately arrested on the scene for aggravated assault.


Read more: http://www.kare11.com/news/news_article.aspx?storyid=537200



How's that for "pro-life?"
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-09 02:30 PM
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1. Domestic terrorism. I want to see what he's charged with. n/t
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-09 02:33 PM
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4. Me too.
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The Stranger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-09 06:07 PM
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47. Get the telephone number of the District Attorney and flood him with calls for terror charges.
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Pierre.Suave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-09 06:15 PM
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50. her
Susan Gaertner
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bobd0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-09 06:19 PM
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51. Her contact info
Phone:
Tel: 651-266-3222
Fax: 651-266-3010

Email:
RCA@co.ramsey.mn.us

http://www.co.ramsey.mn.us/attorney/susanbio.asp
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Coexist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-09 06:44 PM
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56. that is what he deserves.
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-09 06:47 PM
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58. My prediction: disorderly conduct.
Yeah, I'm completely disillusioned still.
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sakabatou Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-09 02:30 PM
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2. From George Carlin
"These conservatives are all in favor of the unborn. They would do anything for the unborn. But once you're born, you're on your own... If you're pre-born you're fine. If you're pre-school, you're fucked. Conservatives don't give a shit about you until you're "military age." Then they think you're just fine, just what they've been looking for. Conservatives want live babies so that they can raise them to be dead soldiers... They'll do anything to save a fetus but if it grows up to be a doctor, they might have to kill it?"
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LaPera Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-09 02:57 PM
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11. Well said!
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Titonwan Donating Member (233 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-09 02:59 PM
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12. Indeed! He was a FREEDOM FIGHTER!
If a brown person does that, he's a damned terrorist, if a white person does that he's a "freedom fighter!". "Well if cops fight crime and firemen fight fires, what do freedom fighters fight? That don't tell you that part, do they?..." I miss my man George Carlin. One of the bravest, smartest men of my lifetime.
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Tangerine LaBamba Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-09 05:42 PM
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37. Welcome to DU, Titonwan!
And yes, let's keep George alive by never forgetting all that he told us. That's how his immortality will be sustained, and that's how we'll always be the smartest kids in the room.

If you're not familiar with the work of the late, great Bill Hicks, you should check him out. He was not only a genius, I, a genuine atheist, believe he was also a holy man. One of my heroes, alas, gone too soon.

http://www.billhicks.com/

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barbtries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-09 07:12 PM
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64. i did check him out`
thanks!
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Sequoia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-09 07:27 PM
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68. Who's that cute guy in your pic?
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Tangerine LaBamba Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-09 07:30 PM
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69. You're series???///??
Really. Did you read my post?
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Sequoia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-09 04:23 PM
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93. Just because you talk about him doesn't mean that would be his pic.
I see people posting about others all the time with a photo of someone else because it's part of their sig line. I figured it might be Bill but didn't really have time to investiage it further so thanks smarty britches.
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SomeGuyInEagan Donating Member (872 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-09 11:41 PM
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75. Do yourself a favor and check out Bill Hicks' material ...
He left us way too soon.
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Tangerine LaBamba Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-09 01:17 AM
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78. You'll like this..........
I made a donation a few years ago to the foundation that was established after he died. It's on his website.

A while after, I got a handwritten thank-you note from his mother. With their return address on the envelope. All handwritten, with the sweetest expression of gratitude inside.

I saved it. Use it as a bookmark when I'm reading something I really love.

Can you imagine?
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Sequoia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-09 04:24 PM
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94. Oh great, now he's dead. :( Didn't get to enjoy him. Thanks.
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musette_sf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-09 01:08 AM
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76. thx for the shout out to Bill!
Edited on Fri Jan-23-09 01:09 AM by musette_sf
the book "Love All The People", a collection of his routines, writings, etc., got me through several months of traveling between SF and Dallas. it was comforting to read it in my anonymous room at the Omni Park West, with some Chardonnay from the mini-bar. after a day in Dumbfvckistan, Bill was a balm to my soul.

http://www.amazon.com/Love-All-People-Letters-Routines/dp/1932360654
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Seldona Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-09 07:09 PM
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61. I miss him so.
Damn me for missing his show last time he came through.
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-09 09:50 AM
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83. I miss him, I hope he is catching all of our vibes during this
extraordinary time of having a new President.
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dbonds Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-09 02:30 PM
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3. That should charged with attempted murder.
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Tempest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-09 02:42 PM
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5. There is one silver lining

Chances are the SUV was totaled but not paid off.

He'll still have to pay off the loan and he won't have it to drive.

And he'll probably have his license suspended or revoked.
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notadmblnd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-09 02:42 PM
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6. Of course, to go along with the protests in DC today
This person should be charged with attempted murder and domestic terrorism. Too bad his ass won't be shipped to gitmo for a little waterboarding.
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-09 02:47 PM
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7. Great news!
One more idiot in jail, and one more SUV off the streets!
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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-09 02:48 PM
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8. I am sure this man had his head full of "they kill babies" talking points
Edited on Thu Jan-22-09 03:02 PM by Botany
Gotta save the babies ..... gotta save the babies

No excuse but to this guy's warped mind he was "saving the babies."

A person I know (right wing) had his daughter finish a right wing school
and move to S. Dakota so she could "save the babies."
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hamsterjill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-09 02:49 PM
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9. How utterly sick!
I hope this person is thrown in jail for a very, very long time.

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happygoluckytoyou Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-09 02:50 PM
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10. for those who believe.... it has to be a tough life---
i don't agree with the PRO-LIFE movement... it does not fit in with my beliefs---
and i don't agree with terrorism at any level---

BUT we are a discussion board--- so please let me say...

IF I BELIEVED THAT A FETUS WAS A LIFE... would I be able to stand by and let it be ended
----- some compassion for those who have this belief... it must be difficult for them to reconcile their situation
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superconnected Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-09 04:22 PM
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30. I believe the fetus is a life, AND I support the right for the mother to choose abortion.
Edited on Thu Jan-22-09 04:23 PM by superconnected
I have given people the money they needed to get an abortion before - at least twice.

I don't have an problem reconciling it.

I think you have a hard time with Christians though. They don't all think the same.
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sutz12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-09 05:09 PM
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34. If there was some consistency in what the fundies believe....
Edited on Thu Jan-22-09 05:10 PM by sutz12
I might have that discussion. However, Pro-life too often means politically defined life, not actual life.

I feel strongly that forcing a woman to give birth to a baby she doesn't want is morally repugnant.
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Tangerine LaBamba Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-09 05:43 PM
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38. They're not pro-life
They're anti-choice.

BIG difference.
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barbtries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-09 07:19 PM
Response to Reply #38
66. thank you. i'm pro life,
and pro choice.
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drmeow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-09 05:41 PM
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36. IF I BELIEVED THAT A FETUS WAS A LIFE
Kristin Luker points out in "Abortion and the Politics of Motherhood" that the anti-abortion movement is far more about what the roles of women are (virginal till marriage, barefoot and pregnant after, and subservient to their father/mate and God throughout) than about protecting life.

If they really believed that a fetus is a life, they should be doing EVERYTHING in their power to stop pregnancies that might end in abortion before they happen not just to stop abortions before they happen - but that violates their perception of the role of women. Pre-marital sex is wrong and women who engage in it should be punished by having to bear the child and the stigma of the child. Post-marital sex is all about pro-creation. If people don't want to have children, they think people should NOT have sex.
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kenfrequed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-09 09:43 AM
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82. So.... we tolerate intolerance?
This is that kind of nonsense that Chris Hedges speaks about and against with regard to us liberals. That we are going to tolerate ourselves out of existence in the face of a movement of nutjobs that want to do us in.

Was it Stalin that stated that "The Capitalists will sell us the rope we hang them with"? (paraphrased)

The concern-troll/toleration-fanatics passively justify the opinions of those that hold unreasonable beliefs. I have even heard conservatives bitch about my being intolerant of their intolerance. Such pathetic nonsense.
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faith_in_democracy Donating Member (6 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-09 11:21 AM
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86. Wise Words
Really wise words, good for you for putting yourself in the shoes of both sides.
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faith_in_democracy Donating Member (6 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-09 11:22 AM
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87. Wise Words
Really wise words, good for you for putting yourself in the shoes of both sides.
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pink-o Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-09 12:55 PM
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92. I would have a lot more respect for the "culture of life"
If they would use their energies to revamp Foster Care, work with Child Protective Services, support birth control and real sex education in schools and NOT be so ghoulishly gung-ho about the death penalty.

These people are HYPOCRITES pure and simple. It's complete sophistry that they care so much for the "poor little unborn children". They care about controlling women, keeping them sexually suppressed and shamed into carrying an unplanned child so that they can never get ahead.

President Obama (still gives me chills to put those words together!) said it perfectly yesterday when speaking of Roe V Wade: our daughters deserve the same opportunities as our sons. And if these Fundie Fucks would move out of the way, they'd be a lot less accidental and teen pregnancies and fewer abortions.

Till then, we're surrounded by repressive idiots who're scared of female sexuality and pretend to care about children.
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-09 11:14 PM
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95. No compassion for those who want to control women. NONE.
If their antiquated beliefs trouble them so, too fucking bad.

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KamaAina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-09 03:00 PM
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13. Finally give up on the lawsuit, Norm?
:P
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-09 03:01 PM
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14. And it begins. The McVeighs are just warming up. nt
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LaPera Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-09 03:03 PM
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15. These anti-choice fucks were promised since Reagan if you vote republican we will get rid of a
Edited on Thu Jan-22-09 03:06 PM by LaPera
woman's right to choose....Republican lies!

The republicans NEVER had any intention of ever trying to overturn Rove v. Wade...brings in far too much money and votes for the republicans to even consider....and the republicans still keep making promises.

Even with a majority of republicans on the Supreme court, and when republicans controlled the executive branch, the Senate and the congress up to Jan 2007 the republicans did nothing...again, keep the nuts hungry bringing in money and votes.

The republicans have been playing these anti-choice nuts for decades and the republicans will continue to do so.
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geckosfeet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-09 06:40 PM
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55. Yeah. They are getting pissed off and they don't know why. Morans.
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Le Taz Hot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-09 09:50 AM
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84. They're still too stupid to realize
if a woman's right to choose really were to be taken away, they'd have no carrot with which to attract the nutso fundies. They've been played all along, but then again, it's pretty easy to pull of pretty much anything on a group of people that believes in the invisible man in the sky.
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-09 03:05 PM
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16. Jerk. nt
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-09 03:06 PM
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17. Why are so many men obsessed with abortion? Are they perfect husbands and fathers?
We know they aren't perfect citizens - using weapons of death against other citizens.

What do men get from it? How is the obsession born?
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-09 03:17 PM
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19. If you think this is just a male thing you are sorely mistaken.
I've run into just as many anti-choice women and I have run into anti-choice men. Neither sex has a monopoly on religious ridiculousness.
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kiranon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-09 06:34 PM
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52. Most pro life person I know is a woman who had to get married.
Hers was not a marriage of choice and they took it out on each other and the child all of their lives. They were Catholic and it was the 60's. It was awful to see what they did to their oldest child. He never had a chance. They took their anger at each other and the child out on everyone else who needed an abortion. If their lives were miserable, I guess they wanted everyone else's lives to be as miserable as theirs. They were so religious they thought.
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TrogL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-09 03:20 PM
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21. Try to follow along here
These people adhere to the authoritarian mindset. They like to follow charismatic leaders who tell them in simple sound-bytes what to do and how to think.

Rather than a liberal's "the Bible was written millenia ago for people living in situations that don't apply to us and who would never in their wildest imaginations imagined our life now", they go with "every word of the Bible is literally true, end of story".

Rather than a liberal's nuanced "abortion should be available but difficult" approach, they go with "the Bible says 'thou shalt not kill'" (which it doesn't, at least in a proper translation) and "abortion is killing babies" (which it isn't) and "everything must be done to stop it". If you follow that "logic" to its inevitable conclusion, killing people associated with abortion is God's work.

Also, pi = 3.00000000 and one reason the Bible is literally true is because it says so (somewhere in Mark?) and doesn't say that it's false (ignoring the bit in Paul's epistles).
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bulloney Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-09 06:09 PM
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49. Fine. Do these people stone adulterers? Do they consider seafood an "abomination?"
Do they do any work or engage in activities that creates work for others on Sundays? Do they lock their wives up and have no contact with them during their menstrual period? Have they sacrificed their sons in the name of God?

People supposedly did some pretty crazy stuff in the Bible. I find it hard to believe that they really believe EVERYTHING in that book. If they do, they're nuttier than I give them credit for.
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TrogL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-09 06:46 PM
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57. That's the problem
They have to pick and choose what portions they're actively going to implement and they don't understand that the act of "picking and choosing" is an interpretation.

That's the problem with zero-sum games. As soon as one word is wrong, the whole Bible's out the window.

Which reminds me. Seen any dragons lately?
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sutz12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-09 01:18 AM
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79. Ask them about what the Bible says about dragons some time.
;)

Hint, the term "dragon" appears in the KJV several times. All of a sudden they start spouting "translation errors" and "that meant something different back then."

Self awareness is not real high on their priority list.

:shrug:
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kenfrequed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-09 09:55 AM
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85. Moreover...
The bible doesnt mention abortion. Not once. Not at all.

Historically almost all peoples used various herbal treatments to end unwanted or onerous pregnancies.

The first western ancient world anti-abortionist was Ceaser Augustus. He promoted births by offering consuls and proconsuls to people based partially on how prolific.
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AnneD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-09 04:43 PM
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33. It's a power and control issue.....
If men got preggers-it would be abortion on demand and birth control pills would flow like water.
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-09 07:39 PM
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71. No, it's a religious insanity issue.
They honestly think they are "saving innocent babies" from "being murdered".
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AnneD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-09 09:31 AM
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80. No ...think deeper......
religion is also used inappropriately as a tool to maintain power and control over the population (esp women). Rape, slavery, and torture are other ways of maintaining power and control.
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drmeow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-09 05:44 PM
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39. See my post above.
Its about the role of women not about abortion per se.
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-09 09:39 AM
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81. I believe anti-abortion fanaticism is rooted in a desire to control other peoples' sexuality
Particularly that of women.
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-09 03:14 PM
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18. The right-wing domestic terrorists are going to come out of the woodwork now.
Just like when Clinton was in office.
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Zookeeper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-09 07:25 PM
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67. That was my first thought when I heard this story on the news....
The wing-nuts, Freepers and fundies have so much pent-up fury over the election of Obama that they will find any excuse to act out.
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Mark D. Donating Member (420 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-09 03:18 PM
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20. Respect
Edited on Thu Jan-22-09 03:30 PM by Mark D.
I respect the above 'what if I thought a fetus was a life' comment. However, the elephant in the room left out of the psychopathic 'life' argument is the woman. The closest a woman comes to death outside of an accident or illness is pregnancy/giving birth NORMALLY. A woman IS 40-something (forget the exact number) times more likely to die in what appears to start out as a normal pregnancy, than from getting a proper medical abortion. No matter what 'lifers' tell you. There is no division on opinion, killing a BORN human is a murder, no question. But is the fetus a fully formed human life? No.

Based on science, in the first trimester (when over 90% of abortion is done) it can't feel anything. Even for the Christians, which-yes I am, Jesus never mentioned abortion. If it were so important as it is made out to be, He would have. It happened (herbal-miscarriages)back then. God Himself said twice that until a born, separated and breathing infant, one is not fully human, 'with life' or a soul. It pains a lot of fundamentalist lifers to admit that. And that they merely have a human praying that God knew him in the uterus (not the same as God Himself saying it) as the basis for their twisted view.

That and the 'protect the unborn' which does not necessarily mean fetus, it could mean generations to arrive in a future. Religion's role sadly is a distraction. 3,000 times as Rick Warren himself admits, Christ talked about saving the poor, altruism, charity, you know, liberal-socialist stuff. But the focus for so many, who can often be the most greedy, bitter, mean, selfish and GOP-minded folks who happily endorse wars on lies killing millions for profit, is a 'pro-life' stance? Why? A perfect ruse. Yeah, they do not give to charity. Vote for those who take away the safety nets of the poor, screw the working class, and destroy the world, but it's okay - they're 'pro-life'. All is better. Befitting for the fake Christian 'excuse' folks.

IE. the worst kinds of people, near sociopaths. Totally just self-centered, mean. Against the many things above. Could be violent toward others. The worst kind of people, the really greedy Christ warned would get in Heaven as easily as Camels through keyholes. But they twisted "the way to God's through me" from the obvious context, follow my path of doing good & being empathetic and charitable and peaceful, to mean, if a person just believes I'm the savior, nothing more literally, all is well. Please note this for your next debate with the self-centered right wing greedy bastard who dares call you out as immoral for any reason. Remind them of this. You've got the truth and even God on your side on this one.
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Jkid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-09 03:26 PM
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22. Aggravated Assault?
Why charge him with that crime? It's mostly destruction of property, he did not actually assaulted anyone.
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-09 03:28 PM
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24. He should be charged with terrorism
Edited on Thu Jan-22-09 03:29 PM by AllentownJake
He committed a violent action in propogation of an idealogical belief meant to intimidate those who disagree with him.
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sofa king Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-09 05:51 PM
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43. By that definition, I think the penalty should be "death by irony."
What, it's not ironic, you say? It is if you kill him by playing Alanis Morissette over and over until he hangs himself.
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Mark D. Donating Member (420 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-09 03:44 PM
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26. Aha!
Edited on Thu Jan-22-09 03:49 PM by Mark D.
Six posts, and you're defending him. It's not about what he did, but what he intended. If someone jumps you in a dark alley intending to do grave harm and instead misses you and breaks a window, is it just 'property damage'? NO. Get off it. Had an employee been unlocking the door he drove through with an SUV they'd probably be hospitalized or dead. No doubt, terrorism (by definition, the intent to create terror, not just 'brown people who are probably Arabs' as you right-wingers prefer).

And yes, assault, as he posed intentional risk to those inside, and attempted murder would be worth going for too. As almost every unapologetic domestic abortion-clinic terrorist has admitted, the loss of life caused to workers there is collateral damage and to them, if one or a few die to stop what they consider murder, then 'mission accomplished' (pun INTENDED). They are virtually machurian candidates as surely as Oswald or Sirhan Sirhan were to distract from the real shooteres.

The age of this young man who did it, and the many others who march and do other such crimes. Brainwashed. The worst examples of the Evangelical fundamentalist right-wing outreach. So many tears shed, I mean they turn these folks into emotional basket cases, all for this. I've talked to a few. Mention a million or more dead in Iraq in a few years of war, and they'll say more than that 'died' since Roe V. Wade. So mutch passion and care, but for only one specific thing. By intent.

Trained to ignore the woman's fate. To ignore the privacy they consider important in their own lives, be it from others knowing they cheat on their wife or watch porn. It doesn't apply to the women in question trying to make private medical decisions with their doctors. As surely as the powers that be want us focused on Obama's oath more than Bush's Nazi-NWO PNAC work of the last 8 years. What THEY planned while America was distracted by blow job impeachment. This is the plan.

Divide and conquer, get people in a tizzy over who marries who, how you define 'sex', what women do in their doctor's office. How sending horny (naturally) late teens out into the wilderness of temptation with nothing more than 'don't do it' (and no birth control) is 'better'. That's the 'circus' while they steal our 'bread' (ie. Trillions in non-debated-undisclosed Fed 'loans' WE have to pay back). Even in that regard, they blame Barney Frank (the gays) vs. Phil Gramm's deregulations (ie. defending the 'free market').

Blame minorities for daring to get loans some loan shark talked them into so they could be sold a bad investments (Hedge Funds) by JP Morgan Chase, the biggest cause of this recession, also behind the great depression, the Federal Reserve creation, the bank of the UN and the Nazis in WW2, the top broker for WW1. Oh, the biggest recipient of bailout funds that (surpirse!) is once again the biggest bank of all! Nobody pay attention to that million ton boulder headed for your house, instead, worry about that mouse!
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-09 06:51 PM
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59. I;m calling it attempted murder. But then, I'm not the DA.
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Raster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-09 04:02 PM
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28. Welcome to DU. Enjoy your stay.
:evilgrin:
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ElboRuum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-09 04:04 PM
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29. Hey, what's that smell?
Sniff... sniff... Mmmm... Pepperoni and sausage... I think.
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Tangerine LaBamba Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-09 05:45 PM
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40. He assaulted
He didn't commit battery.

Know the meanings of words before you base your arguments on them.
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-09 05:48 PM
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41. Attempted abortion...
No doubt pregnant women were in there and might have been injured...

The irony would be astounding.

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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-09 03:27 PM
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23. He should be executed
Edited on Thu Jan-22-09 03:28 PM by AllentownJake
lets not get soft on terrorist now :sarcasm: (sarcasm meant to critique double standard in media).
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mcjackson Donating Member (134 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-09 03:41 PM
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25. From Bill Hicks...
..."If you're so pro-life, do me a favour: don't lock arms and block medical clinics. If you're so pro-life, lock arms and block cemeteries."
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-09 03:58 PM
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27. The proper discription is TERRORIST attacks clinic
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THUNDER HANDS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-09 04:31 PM
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31. i've been inside a planned parenthood once
it's like a fortress. There's multiple doors you have to go through before you even meet anyone.
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RCinBrooklyn Donating Member (421 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-09 04:42 PM
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32. He'll wish he aborted this mission.
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cherish44 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-09 05:38 PM
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35. Doesn't he realize the people he tried to kill are all former fetuses? n/t
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baldguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-09 05:49 PM
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42. Terrorism, plain & simple.
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pasto76 Donating Member (835 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-09 05:54 PM
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44. They are backed into a corner now
Terrorism charges....maybe. It was definitely a hate crime! He targetted a specific group of people, and would not have committed the assault on anyone else.
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Jester Messiah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-09 05:55 PM
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45. Jackass...
Too bad his mother didn't make use of that clinic.
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-09 05:56 PM
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46. how about charging him with domestic terrorism?
:grr:
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Akoto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-09 06:07 PM
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48. I'm glad the place wasn't open yet.
If the waiting room had been occupied, this could've turned out a lot worse than it did. It's a relief that none of the employees were injured. A shame that this damage will probably prevent people from receiving care there for a while.

As the OP noted, there is a certain grim irony in this man's crime. Ramming a car into a occupied building in order to defend life?
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geckosfeet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-09 06:39 PM
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53. They are irrational. I will not try to play "nice bi-bipartisan progressive" with nutcakes.
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Jefferson23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-09 06:40 PM
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54. So this lumatic did this at random, or was this his reaction to an Obama
presidency. How many times did the religious right unhinged call Obama a baby killer, countless times I believe. I hope this pathetic individual does serious time.
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Castleman Donating Member (166 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-09 07:06 PM
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60. I'll have to go along with George on this one...
When these right wing fundamentalists like Robertson, Reed, etc have had their pregnancies, delivered the children and raised them on minimum wage, I'll be happy to hear what they have to say about abortion...until then, they can shut the fuck up....

To say nothing of the immortal "You ever notice that most of the people who are against abortion are people you wouldn't wanna fuck in the first place?"
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RFKHumphreyObama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-09 07:09 PM
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62. What an idiot
Lock him up and throw away the key
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Seldona Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-09 07:10 PM
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63. Sounds like Domestic Terrorism to me.
I have to agree with previous posters on that one.
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Omaha Steve Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-09 07:14 PM
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65. This is what Sarah Palin NAZI tactics at rallies has caused

Didn't the Secret Service comment on what her rallies were doing to people?

I was a voluntary escort at a reproductive clinic for a couple years. Most Saturday mornings I was at Dr. Orr's clinic before 7 A.M..

Terrorist seems the correct word.

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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-09 07:37 PM
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70. And as Anti choice legislation hits the legislature in Az , OK and other states where is FOCA?
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Hulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-09 07:48 PM
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72. Lock this nut ball up and throw away the key!!
Hopefully no one was hurt. Regardless, this ass hole needs to be charged with "terrorism", convicted and tossed in jail FOR LIFE. He can study his Bible there with the other locked up nut balls like him.
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thebitsmama Donating Member (2 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-09 08:05 PM
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73. I once sat in that building
I am happily married, a full-time student, pro-choice, Christian.
And I sat there because I had a choice to make. I had learned that I was pregnant for the third time, having two beautiful girls. We hadn't planned on more kids, but there we were. So I made an appointment for a consultation.
I cried and cried over what to do- the questions were financial, religious, spiritual, and agonizing.
I read the words of other women who had been facing the same decision, and the choices they had made. My husband and I met with a pro-choice pastor who we had been referred to.
In the end, I didn't go back. Today is my son's first birthday. While at one time I couldn't imagine life with him, now I can't imagine life without him. I feel no resentment towards him whatsoever, because I CHOSE to have him. I had to make the choice for myself and, thankfully, I have the right to do so.
These sorts of stories about the actions of crazy anti-choice people just make me so sad. Any woman who is facing the decision about whether to continue a pregnancy is sad, period, end of story. They are going through a gut-wrenching time. But in the end, it has to be their choice, and they should be allowed to make it safely.
I'm emailing the DA as soon as I'm done here.







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Unca Jim Donating Member (405 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-09 08:13 PM
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74. Many anti-choice idiots...
are not really all that religious.

In fact, the most rabidly anti-choice person I know is a guy who never goes to church and professes to not be religious at all.


Like many posters have noted, it's an authoritarian, absolutionist mindset that brings about the violent anti-choice mindset. It's impossible for some people to accept that even though a fetus is an amazing thing and is the only organism in the world that has the potential to become a human being, all decisions regarding that fetus belong to the mother.

It is completely possible to be both pro-life and pro-choice at the same time. My Mom is a doctor who volunteered at Planned Parenthood for years; I've been there and hung around. Most of what they do is designed to prevent unwanted pregnancies that require abortions because they all are fervently pro-life. No one wants to kill a fetus, just like no one wants to amputate a limb. Sometimes it's necessary, and the decision of the woman who may or may not want to or be able to afford to carry it is (in my opinion) guaranteed by the "freedom of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness" clause in the Constitution.

I wish no fetuses were killed in this country, so I work to keep sex ed funded and make sure free birth control is readily available. Adoption options have gotten a lot better too, so I try to make sure people know their options with that as well.


The weird part, especially here in Minnesota, is the fetus worshiping cult. There are people in this state (and everywhere) that honestly think fetuses are more important than actual, living people right in front of them. They would do anything to stop the demise of their precious fetuses, including kill and destroy. I don't get it, but there it is.

I imagine this guy is one of those who had a lot of stress in his life and snapped.
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woo me with science Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-09 01:16 AM
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77. Fundamentalism is scary stuff. nt
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faith_in_democracy Donating Member (6 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-09 11:24 AM
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88. The Real World has Consequences
You don’t have to be religious to be against abortion. People need to have consequences for their screw-ups including pregnant women. This guy screwed up and now has to suffer the consequences he deserves.

The moral fabric of this nation will collapse when everyone has a copout for their mistakes. You can’t pick and choose your definition of life based on what is most convenient to you.
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Hell Hath No Fury Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-09 11:44 AM
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89. So, a woman who "screws up"...
by getting pregnant should be forced to bear a child she may be unable or unwilling to care for? Is that what you are saying?


Uh huh. :eyes:
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Scout Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-09 12:16 PM
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90. right wing talking points on DU, what a surprise
"People need to have consequences for their screw-ups including pregnant women"
children as punishment for screw-ups....

"definition of life based on what is most convenient to you"
those damn selfish women killing babies for their convenience...

:eyes:

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Hell Hath No Fury Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-09 12:52 PM
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91. This one was also wondering if...
the power has already gone to Obama's head. :eyes:

Transparent as glass....
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-09 11:17 PM
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97. Women have the right to control their own bodies.
Don't like it? Fuck off, you don't belong here.

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TrogL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-09 02:17 PM
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99. The Bible says (in your translation) "Thou shalt not kill"
Swatted a fly lately?
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Psephos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-09 11:15 PM
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96. Terra! n/t
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-09 12:11 AM
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98. RWers are going nuts!
This guy is an enemy combatant and should be shipped to Guantanamo.
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