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Frank Booth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-05-09 12:26 AM
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White House Rethinks Tax Hikes
Edited on Thu Mar-05-09 12:28 AM by Frank Booth
Source: Wall Street Journal

WASHINGTON -- President Barack Obama is meeting strong Democratic Party resistance to his proposal to reduce tax deductions enjoyed by upper-income Americans and could be forced to drop or modify the idea.
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Sen. Max Baucus (D., Mont.), the Senate's top tax writer as chairman of the Finance Committee, told Mr. Geithner he was especially concerned about paying for expanded health coverage with a deductions curb that "has nothing to do with health care." He added: "I'm wondering about the viability of that provision."

"We recognize there are other ways to do this," Mr. Geithner responded during a hearing Wednesday. "We are willing to listen to all ideas that meet these broad principles."
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Mr. Geithner also faced questions from lawmakers about how Mr. Obama's plan to let the top two tax rates increase to 39.6% and 36% in 2011 would impact small businesses. Republicans challenged Mr. Geithner's assertion that those increases wouldn't affect 97% of small businesses, saying the tax increases would put a new burden on businesses that create jobs.

Another Democrat, Sen. Maria Cantwell of Washington, questioned why the administration wouldn't look for savings in the tax code through a comprehensive overhaul. "Why not look at a broader approach to tax policy, than coming in with this proposed change to marginal rates?" Ms. Cantwell said.

Read more: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123621392108135233.html



Here's the bipartisan consensus everyone's been asking for. Finally, something both Democratic and Republican Senators can agree on: Protecting the rich.
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PM Martin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-05-09 12:27 AM
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1. Taxes should be raised on those making 1 million +!
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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-05-09 12:28 AM
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2. maybe that corpulent junkie wingnut radio host runs the dems as well nt
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DeepBlueC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-05-09 12:28 AM
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3. a small business that makes more than 250K can be incorporated
problem solved, no?
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-05-09 12:45 AM
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7. Only 2% of small businesses make over $250,000. Moot point to benefit the WEALTHY.
:puke:
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DeepBlueC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-05-09 09:55 AM
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30. yeah, I know
ergo the "damage" to small business is illusory.
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-05-09 12:28 AM
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4. your last line is sadly accurate
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ananda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-05-09 12:39 AM
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5. Doesn't that just make you wanna SCRREEAAMM!
Arrgghhh!

What the FUCK!
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-05-09 12:42 AM
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6. They have to return to progressive taxation -- higher rates for wealthier .. . period!!
And, we should be assessing pollution taxes on corporations -- all of them!!

We're bailing out capitalists and they don't want their taxes increased!!!

BS -- !!!
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Skink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-05-09 12:49 AM
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8. Democrats/progressives are in no way the majority party.
atleast Obama is on our side mostly.
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Mind_your_head Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-05-09 01:00 AM
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9. Are you *SURE* he's on 'our' side, or does he just give that 'look'?
I dunno for sure myself, but I'm watching......
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-05-09 01:04 AM
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11. Bullshit. Most Americans support democratic policies.
bvar has the list.

Stop making excuses for the inexcusable.

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alittlelark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-05-09 01:41 AM
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15. You said it!
...and you said it well.

However, the media makes it seem otherwise... good for their owners $$$$$.
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corruptmewithpower Donating Member (411 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-05-09 01:01 AM
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10. Why is there no way to distinguish the idle rich from small business?
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-05-09 02:48 AM
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18. There is
But when you refer to the real small business structure, the S Corp, then they start comparing major corporations to small business. It's just more right wing claptrap that a few corporate Dems have swallowed along the way as well. We've got to be organizing in our towns in order to fight this stuff.
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MrsBrady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-05-09 01:07 AM
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12. raise taxes on the rich!!!!
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PSPS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-05-09 01:24 AM
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13. Translation: Millionaires in congress don't want to pay an extra 3% in taxes.
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Genghis Donating Member (9 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-05-09 01:27 AM
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14. Damnit, how did Bush's tax cuts become the status quo?
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-05-09 09:50 AM
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29. the WSJ will ALWAYS frame it that way. . . .n/t
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MrSlayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-05-09 02:44 AM
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16. Hold the line Mr. President.
Fuck those guys, they've had a free ride long enough.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-05-09 02:45 AM
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17. The broader approach means the middle class
and that's why Democrats lose.

What the hell is wrong with these people. Those with incomes over $250,000 voted FOR OBAMA. They are fine with this tax hike.

Gaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!!!!
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-05-09 02:57 AM
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19. This does not surprise me
The fact is that in 2008, a good many high income earners in blue states actually voted for Democrats--not just Obama, but down ballot too. Hence we should not be surprised to see Democratic senators respond by being squeamish about raising taxes on the wealthy.
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DUlover2909 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-05-09 04:00 AM
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20. Since the President can do anything he wants during wartime,
Tax the hell out of the wealthy, but make donations to a Dem political campaign tax deductable. Tax the churches too. All in the name of fighting terra.:P
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keopeli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-05-09 04:35 AM
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21. My senator, Cantwell, is an aristocrat and a marginal Democrat. Time for another call...
She was elected initially by a razor thin margin of about 1000 votes. Last election, she would have lost if Bush hadn't been such a disaster. Reluctantly, we supported her reelection in 06.

Please call your Senators and tell them to stop voting their own interests and their friends' interests and start voting OUR interest.

REMEMBER: It's not a tax hike. It's letting the rates return to the 90's rate before Bush f&%ked everything up!
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-05-09 09:50 AM
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28. She put her only viable primary opponent for re-election...
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Norrin Radd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-05-09 04:59 AM
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22. dupe
Edited on Thu Mar-05-09 05:00 AM by Norrin Radd
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Norrin Radd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-05-09 05:00 AM
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23. We need a better Senator than Cantvotewell.
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Norrin Radd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-05-09 05:00 AM
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24. We need a better Senator than Cantvotewell.
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Politicalboi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-05-09 05:08 AM
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25. But if we tax the rich
Who's gonna give to charity? :sarcasm:
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-05-09 06:25 AM
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26. One question is how much lowering the itemized deduction rate will reduce
charitable contributions. I assume they're figuring that into the equation.
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mainer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-05-09 10:20 AM
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33. That, I think, is a valid concern -- certainly for most charities
If they disallow charitable deductions, there truly will be a drop in giving.

Too many people seem to think that donating to charity is a no-loss proposition for rich people. But in fact, it is still a loss. The charitable deduction simply allows you to take the deduction off your gross income. When you're in the top tax bracket (say 40%), and you give away $1,000, you drop your gross income by $1,000. Meaning you've saved yourself $400 in taxes -- but you're still out $600.
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byeya Donating Member (209 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-05-09 09:45 AM
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27. Wealth needs to be taxed. Individuals with $25 million{say} in
wealth, need to pay 1 - 3% annually on their booty.
There needs to be a sales tax on the sale of stocks & bonds also.
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Downwinder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-05-09 10:09 AM
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31. Would some one explain to me.
Sen. Max Baucus (D., Mont.), the Senate's top tax writer as chairman of the Finance Committee, told Mr. Geithner he was especially concerned about paying for expanded health coverage with a deductions curb that "has nothing to do with health care."


What do cigarettes have to do with children's health care?

WTF, children need health care -- I'll pay the tax, somebody has to do it.
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Thrill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-05-09 10:13 AM
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32. Never get a real Progressive Agenda with these piece of shit Democrats
Thom Hartman isn't going to be happy
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DLnyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-05-09 11:30 AM
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34. Wouldn't making the cutoff higher, say 500,000 or 1,000,000, and going to
higher rates, say 40% or 41%, generate just as much money, be equally progressive and meet a lot less resistance?

Just my 2 cents (which is a fairly significant percentage of my total income).
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Mind_your_head Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-06-09 04:40 AM
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35. .
"Just my 2 cents (which is a fairly significant percentage of my total income)."
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