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Coventina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-12-09 09:30 AM
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China demands end of US Navy surveillance
Source: Associated Press

BEIJING (AP) — China's Defense Ministry has demanded that the U.S. Navy end surveillance missions off the country's southern coast following a weekend confrontation between an American vessel and Chinese ships.

In its first public comment on the Sunday episode, the ministry repeated earlier statements from the Foreign Ministry that the unarmed U.S. ship was operating illegally inside China's exclusive economic zone when it was challenged by three Chinese government ships and two Chinese-flagged trawlers.

"The Chinese side's carrying out of routine enforcement and safeguarding measures within its exclusive economic zone was entirely appropriate and legal," ministry spokesman Huang Xueping said in a statement faxed overnight to reporters.

"We demand the United States respect our legal interests and security concerns, and take effective measures to prevent a recurrence of such incidents," Huang said.



Read more: http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jzzULJt2ZiW2IZR3KKuViEpbOAlQD96S97S80
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fed_up_mother Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-12-09 09:36 AM
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1. LIke that's going to happen in international waters.
Since when are military vessels denied access to "economic zones?"
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-12-09 10:29 AM
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2. LOL
:rofl: oh those chinese they are such cards!!
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damntexdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-12-09 04:47 PM
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3. but then how would we know what type of undies Chinese sailors are wearing?
Among others, Sen. Vitter wants to know.

;-)
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davepc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-12-09 04:48 PM
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4. Well if they tell us where their submarines are we wont have to look for them.
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KakistocracyHater Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-12-09 05:30 PM
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5. yes but the bigger now obvious implication is that the US
is not now in a position to ignore Chinese authorities, no thanks to W Bu & Clinton (after Tienanmen Square) extending 'most favored nation' status to China & dragging us unwillingly deep into debt to China. They should reinstate that law that required US Military parts be manufactured ONLY BY AMERICANS in the US.

I think those unemployed machine toolers could be put back to work here, launching our own military satellites SHOULD be done by Americans.

THEY GET AN EXCLUSIVE ECONOMIC ZONE & WE GET 'ANTI-PROTECTIONISM'?! That looks like purposeful hobbling of our businesess. But that's right, the US Chamber of Commerce DOES want this-why:they're insane.
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christx30 Donating Member (774 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-13-09 04:37 AM
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18. Re: reinstate that law that required US Military parts be manufactured ONLY BY AMERICANS in the US
Not only do I think this is a good idea, I believe it MUST be done.
There was a story out a year or so ago during the whole lead paint thing. It appears that China was sending out bad stuff. (I know... Hard to believe, right?) But in this case, it was auto parts. Brake pads, to be exact. Seems they were making the pads out of grass or something like that. The details are hazy and my 8 month old daughter won't let me do the research. But with the products that are coming out of China lately, can our military afford to gamble on circuit boards, tires, bullets,ect that may or may not be crap? Especially in the future when we may have to fight China? I mean, what is to stop China from purposely introducing a defect in, say, one out of 1,000 units? Heck, what is to stop them from severely weakening this country in peacetime? Bad tooth paste today, bad engine components tomorrow, bad avionics components next week or next month. We simply need to stop buying their crap yesterday.
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humblebum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-12-09 05:45 PM
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6. There has been some talk of the US reestablishing a naval base
in Vietnam. Cam Rahn Bay I think. I wonder what ever became of that idea?
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clixtox Donating Member (941 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-13-09 02:04 AM
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15. There is no way that would or could happen in Vietnam.

Cam Rahn Bay is just now being opened up for tourism. The airport that serves Nha Trang is now in Cam Rahn Bay and I am pretty sure that the facility was originally built by the USA as the Cam Rahn Air Base. Nha Trang is a big city and an international tourist destination behind a beautiful long stretch of beach.

The government of Vietnam would never even entertain the idea of participating in our mad quest for global dominance.

I can't imagine why anyone would even suggest such fanciful BS.

Interestingly Hainan Island (on most maps), a flashpoint for the 2001 incident and this recent completely contrived incident, is named Hai Nam on many Vietnamese maps. It is even colored the same as Vietnam and different from China. Much of the history of Vietnam deals with defeating the Chinese when they regularly invaded.

A lot of undersea oil has been discovered west of this controversial island and east of Hai Phong, Vietnam by a consortium of SE Asian oil companies plus an American company. Vietnam's first oil refinery went into production last month.
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humblebum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-13-09 08:53 AM
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20. Here's what I am thinking of
Edited on Fri Mar-13-09 09:01 AM by humblebum
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clixtox Donating Member (941 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-13-09 11:56 AM
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21. Both articles cited/linked are fantasies concocted by ?...

The second article discusses how g w shrub is/was a master strategist who was plotting to contain China by aligning with Vietnam.

Very unlikely.

I live in Vietnam and the sense i get is that any concession towards the USA related to the military is just not going to happen.

Our days of buying or somehow forcing sovereign nations to compromise their resources to assuage the USA's global hegemony goals are over.

Vietnam is still recovering from the last time we were there, the lingering effects of the vast quantities of poisons like AGENT ORANGE indiscriminately spread over the countryside. One of many war crimes we haven't taken responsibility for to this month. The SCOTUS just refused to hear an appeal from affected Vietnamese victims.

Our hubris is stunning.

We have been and continue to be cruel and vicious predators and everyone around the world now knows that, except the American sheeple.
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humblebum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-13-09 03:15 PM
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24. Thank you.
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New Dawn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-12-09 05:57 PM
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7. We need to stop meddling in Asia's affairs.
Last time that I looked at the map, China does not border the USA. We need to close down the military bases in South Korea, Japan, and the Philippines, and bring all of the troops home (not just the ones in Iraq).
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Thothmes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-12-09 07:11 PM
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8. Neither does Japan
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ohio2007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-12-09 08:27 PM
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10. Maybe China is ready to annex Taiwan
Taiwan is no Iraq. They won't melt away and establish an insurgency.China will annex a scorched earth.
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hack89 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-12-09 08:29 PM
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11. But sea lanes vital to our economy border China.
and why are you so eager for an arms race in Asia? How long will it take after our withdrawal for Japan, Korea and Taiwan to go nuclear? There is a lot of animosity in that region that goes back centuries - as soon as China starts throwing its weight around there will be trouble.
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nolabels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-13-09 02:39 AM
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16. As long as the US erects stiff import taxes and barriers count me in
Let's go back to 'grow your own' and let them commies sell junk to their own populations :woohoo:
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ohio2007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-12-09 08:22 PM
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9.  Obama dispatched heavily armed American destroyers to south China sea
US warships head for South China Sea after standoff

A potential conflict was brewing last night in the South China Sea after President Obama dispatched heavily armed American destroyers to the scene of a naval standoff between the US and China at the weekend.

Mr Obama’s decision to send an armed escort for US surveillance ships in the area follows the aggressive and co-ordinated manoeuvres of five Chinese boats on Sunday. They harassed and nearly collided with an unarmed American vessel.

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On a day that Mr Obama and his senior officials met the Chinese Foreign Minister, Yang Jiechi, in Washington, Beijing showed no sign of backing down. Its military chiefs accused the unarmed US Navy ship of being on a spying mission.

The US keeps a close eye on China’s arsenal, including its expanding fleet of submarines in the area.

snip

A hotline was established between the Chinese Defence Ministry and the Pentagon in April last year, but it was not used during or after Sunday’s standoff, defence officials said.

snip

The Chinese maintain the area is part of the country’s exclusive economic zone.

Washington insists that the area is part of international waters and that US ships have a legal right to operate there.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article5898650.ece
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ConcernedCanuk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-12-09 10:42 PM
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12. I'm disappointed, - USA shoulda pulled their ass out and negotiated diplomatically
.
.
.

unless the USA is planning to attack China?

"reaching across the table" isn't usually on par with sending major weaponry

Imagine if China and Russia started actively patrolling the coasts of the USA . . . .

I wonder if there are any silos left in Cuba . .

I know we got some up here - less than 100 cliks from where I'm sitting

And I wonder if they are empty as our government claims . . .

They USED to have nukes in there. .

Something to ponder

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Cessna Invesco Palin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-13-09 12:58 AM
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14. They're just playing games.
Testing the new President.
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-13-09 12:38 AM
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13. No. (nt)
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David__77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-13-09 02:44 AM
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17. China should send spy ships to 75 miles from the California coast.
How about that? Then we can see how much the US values its universal standard here.
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ohio2007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-13-09 08:48 AM
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19. Good luck finding US subs so close to the coast
during the Cold War, the Soviets were inside San Fran Bay. Special tractor tread marks were all over the sea floor....
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clixtox Donating Member (941 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-13-09 12:02 PM
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22. An amazing allegation!

I have never heard this story before.

"Special tractor tread marks"?

Any pictures?

Documentation?

Links?
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ohio2007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-13-09 01:11 PM
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23. It was from a magazine article from the early 80's
the magazine was a limited circulation and not available to the general public. I may google it up and find something about it later though. I'm sure something is out there. It's probably the same type of equipment technology that severs undersea internet cables between continents.
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