Lieberman Criticizes Bush's Iraq Policy

[ze_dscherman]

WASHINGTON - Democratic presidential candidate Joe Lieberman (news - web sites) said Monday the Bush administration's lack of planning for a post-Saddam Iraq (news - web sites) and its unclear handling of intelligence claims threaten to "give a bad name to what really was a just war."


The Connecticut senator said on NBC's "Today" show that he is also troubled with members of his own party, many of whom supported the war, "who now seem to be raising so many question that they're leaving the impression that they don't think this was a just war."

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=540&ncid=736&e=5&u=/ap/20030728/ap_on_re_mi_ea/democrats_iraq

AAAARRRGHHH!

[Guaranteed]

1. Just shut up, Joe

You've got nothing to say. You're a frickin Republican.

[jiacinto]

9. Have you ever bothered to look at the facts?

If you did you would see that Lieberman isn't a Republican.

[Dhalgren]

18. Right, but

by constandly braying that the conquest and occupation of Iraq is a "just war", he negates any and all of his "libreral" creds. Look, this is just like you and others here have said uncountable times - the point is to oust the thugs in power. Lieberman's constant refrain that Bush is God's choice to rid the planet of "evil-doers" is not gonna do it! He needs to quit the race and go back to representing his rich constituents, like he has done so well for so long.

[jiacinto]

39. I am not a Lieberman supporter

But I just resent it when he gets attacked unfairly.

[buddhamama]

23. interpretation of the 'facts'

fact:he is a registered Dem

everything else is open to interpretation depending on your POV.
my POV is, Joe could easily fit into the moderate-wing of the republican party.

[lifelong_Dem]

31. Your POV isn't borne out by the facts...

Lieberman's voting record is far to the left of even Lincoln Chafee, the Republican Senator everyone around here seems to think should switch parties.

[ThorsteinVeblen]

36. Why won't Joe pass legislation supporting the expensing of Stock Options??

if he so "left"?

Why won't Joe demand accountabilty from Saudi Arabia if he is so "strong" on national security?

Why did Joe support the Patriot Act if he so concerned about civil rights?

Why is Joe in bed with Jerry Falwell?

Why did the Cuban exile community fund Holy Joe's senate election in 1988?

Why did William F. Buckly support Joe Lieberman in the 1988 election?

Joe Lieberman is a corrupt disgrace and couldn't lead people out of a paper bag.

[buddhamama]

37. interpretation of facts

that is what i said.

Lieberman's record is good on some issues but so are the records of my two republican senators.

[jiacinto]

38. Interpretation?

The only Republicans who have similiar records are probably now former Congresswoman Connie Morella and Senator Lincoln Chafee. Otherwise you aren't going to find other Republicans with records even similiar to Lieberman.

[buddhamama]

44. sure

interpretation based on POV

his enviromental record is decent,except for the "Free Trade" issue that allows for enviromental distruction.
his record on regulation and big business not so good. He was willing to give in to the WH on Labor issues,especially in regards to HSD.

he doesn't support gay marriage and has tried to join together the state and faith-bad according to my POV
he comes across as the morality police-pretty republican according to my POV.

my Senator Olympia Snowe has a decent enviromental record too
so so on regulation and big business is not so good either.

see what i'm getting at? depending on how where you're coming from, Joe's record may be seen as crossing the moderate republican line.

[sfecap]

2. Well, now....

We wouldn't want to give a "bad name" to a "just" war, would we?

Go away, Joe.

[Jivenwail]

3. A just war?

This guy's a repuke. Period. He needs to shut the hell up and just fade away. He's lips are permanently plastered to smirk's ass.

[jiacinto]

10. The facts don't agree with you

Just because he isn't part of the far left that dominates DU doesn't make him a Republican.

[Dhalgren]

19. Give it up.

Joe-Joe the Bush-eyed boy is done for, kaput, over. You and everyone else needs to get it that Joe is unelectable. Joe wins the Dem nomination, Bush wins the election. It is just that simple.

[jiacinto]

40. I am not a Lieberman supporter

But I do think he gets attacked unfairly on this board.

[JNelson6563]

22. no, not far left

however, did it ever occur to you that someone may be judged (in the political sense of the word) by more than their voting record of 5-10-20 years ago?

That's what gets me about those who support and/or defend Dems who gave Bush his free reign of terror on Iraq. Their supporters love to point to records from long ago but, the big question is:

What have they done for the good of our Republic since the Simian was appointed President?

Did they constantly stand "shoulder to shoulder with the President"? Oh you bet, some sure did. In fact, guess what.......

When that whole Iraq resolution thing was going on Lieberman's collegues in the Senate thought he was standing by them (as he SAID he would). Guess how they found out he betrayed them? Did he have the guts to say "this is a just war and I am standing by Bush?" Nope. Big brave Lieberman, who would have us believe he has the right stuff to lead our country, didn't have the guts to tell his collegues face to face........they turned on C-Span2 and there was Lieberman, in the rose garden right next to the Simian.

BTW, my source on this is rock solid. But if you want to go around and wave his banner, have at it. That lowly traitor....

Julie

[lark]

32. Even worse

He's supported all the tax cuts for the ultra rich.

Yes, he's better than Bush, but so is my dog. I'd vote for either before I'd vote for dimson. Not voting is not an option - advantage BFEE.

lark

[jiacinto]

42. That's not true

http://www.vote-smart.org/voting_category_subject.php?can_id=S0141103&category_name=Taxes&year=2001

That link shows all the tax votes of 2001. In it Lieberman voted against the Republican tax cut plans. He did vote in favor of Democratic bills, though.

http://www.vote-smart.org/issue_keyvote_detail.php?vote_id=3159&can_id=S0141103

In 2002 he did vote to give three weeks unemployment extensions.

But, looking at these records, he didn't vote for Bush tax cuts.

[jiacinto]

41. I am not saying Lieberman is perfect

But I do think he gets attacked unfairly here by many people.

I am not voting for him in the primary but I would have no problem voting for him in the general election.

[mumon]

4. This is "News" because of its "Dog Bites Man" character...

Imagine Liberman criticizing ANYTHING this administration does in foreign policy.

Oh, how LUCKY we are!

Not!

[revcarol]

5. When I was in seminary I studied what constitutes a "just war."

A just war this AIN'T!!

He's not worshpping Bush, he worshipping ISRAEL, THE ONLY COUNTRY THAT THIS WAR BENEFITS.

"Thou shalt have no other gods before me," Saith the Lord.The god of rabid Zionism at whatever cost to whomever is a false god Lieberman is placing before GOD.

[Jim Sagle]

28. What about the god of rabid antiZionism?

[Jack Rabbit]

6. He still doesn't get it

Saddam was not a threat. Saddam was contained. Bush and his fellow thugs in the junta lied about Saddam's military capabilities. No one in Iraq asked to be "liberated" or agreed to any service from Mr. Bush using their mineral rights as collateral.

It was not a just war. It is colonialism, pure and simple.

As for Senator Lieberman, if he or any other "Blair Democrat" still believes the lies that he was told, then he's too goddam gullible to be president. Will Will Marshall and the DLC get around to saying that? Or are they going to continue to bash anyone wise enough not to swallow and regurgitate the lies as "weak on defense"?

[placton]

7. Gee, Joe

do you really expect to win the presidency on:
1. alienating the progressive base of the Democratic Party?
2. telling people you are just another Republican senator?

Why vote for Lieberman when you have Bush. This is the ONLY announced Dem candidate who I would consider staying at home for on election day.

[lark]

34. Please don't

Now, I don't expect Holy Joe to win the Dem nomination, but if he does, please support him. At least he's not out to fundamentally change the economic structure of this country to a baron/serf mode and systematically shred our social safety net and destroy our environment. Lieberman is better than a Repug, but not by enough to win the Dem nomination.

lark

[kysrsoze]

8. Joe can blow it out his @ss!

Man, I really hate him.

[robbedvoter]

11. Breaking: Just War is suing bush for slander - aleges its good name

and repotation has been attacked and business ain't what it used to be"

[shirlden]

12. I Got It !!!!

Listen up.....I know what Joe is doing. He is betting that if things continue to go South for * and Chaney, the RNC Corporation may decide to dump either or both and he can jump in on the Repug ticket. Then the DLC would be happy as hell....we would finally have one party control and the world would be safe for ........Hmmmm....I need a word here....how about greed or hegemony or corporatization or......
Well, you get the picture.

:argh:

[pansypoo53219]

13. sorry

too late for you to get any Dean mojo.

[Eloriel]

14. GAWDAMIGHTY

Leaves one speechless, doesn't it?

What the hell makes it a just war, Joe? Must be my lack of imagination. I can't think of a THING.

Eloriel

[ze_dscherman]

15. It was a "just for" war

just for oil.
just for control over the ME.
just for ...

[ichiro99]

16. At least he's not over-condescending ...

in giving brief mention to those crazies who suggest the invasion isn't a lovely project. Well, not any more than when he discusses anything of concern to the proles. Joe was given the word a long time ago:

"It's about the empire, stupid."

Or, alternatively... "The deaths of a few, for the oppression of the many."

Hail Caesar.

[gratuitous]

17. Oops, sorry Joe!

Golly, whatever could we have been thinking, to cast aspersions on this most just of just wars?

I have had it with this kind of pseudo-religious nonsense spewing forth from the mouths of these hypocrites. Jesus had some choice words (some of them cribbed from Jeremiah, to be sure) for this sort of greed dressed up in religious wording. I'm ready to polish the dust off of my BA in Religion, and go toe to toe with Joe or anyone who wants to defend his thesis:

Resolved: That the recent military action against Iraq meets the qualifications and standards for a "just war."

I'll take the "against" position, thank you very much. Go ahead, Joe, state your thesis. May righteousness roll down like a waterfall, and justice burst forth in a torrent!

[gratuitous]

30. Joe? Anybody?

Any takers on arguing the "pro" side of the proposition that the Iraq invasion was a "just war"?

[Julien Sorel]

20. And Lieberman will be the Democratic nominee for president.

Just kidding!

[theHandpuppet]

21. The "just because" war....

That's what Joe just have meant. Well I'll tell you Joe -- if you're the Dem candidate in 04, I'm staying home on an election day -- for the first time in 30 years. Just because.

[zekeson]

24. He needs to shut up

He has had a decent voting record, but his days of contributing anything postive to the Dem party are long gone. He is currently giving the Rugglies ammunition to use against the eventual Dem nominee - and it should be apparent that it ain't Joe. The only reason to stay in a race that you can't win is to make sure your message gets heard. He has no message that * and Co. haven't already bludgeoned us with. Anything other message finds an unwelcome target by media that makes sure his comments get back to their rabid right wing base.

Please leave now Joe.

[ElementaryPenguin]

25. Could this be why you're running LAST, Joe??? Bush-Lite ain't

Gonna cut it, Holy Moly Joe!!! What idiot would invest a dime on this guy's campaign???

[w4rma]

26. "Just War - or a Just War?" by President Carter

Read Carter's Nobel Lecture, delivered in Oslo on Dec. 10, 2002.
Carter warns against 'catastrophic' war (December 10, 2002)
A Statement By President Carter: An Alternative To War (January 31, 2003)
Carter: Iraq threat does not justify war (January 31, 2003)
Carter Says Bush Has 'Not Made a Case' for War (February 1, 2003)
Carter Urges More Diplomacy on Iraq - Ex-President Blames Neglect of Mideast for Anti-American Mood (Feburary 25, 2003)
Just War — or a Just War? (March 9, 2003)

[PROGRESSIVE1]

27. And where are your post-war plans Joe???

:wtf:

[Capn Sunshine]

29. TALK ABOUT LATE TO THE PARTY

I don't want to hear that we progressive DEAN supporters in the DLC aren't having an influence.

This latest 180 from Joe is proof the leadership is out of touch with the membership;and they are srambling to catch up with the party.

Next we'll see a trial balloon from From saying that his "elitist" comment was taken out of context and he was referring to academic socialists or some other nonsense.

[protect freedom impeach bush now]

33. Joe is a complete Idiot. He's a corp whore.

Joe is about as good a real DEMOCRAT as Nixon was
a Liberal.

So Joe, tell us how many of your grandkids, or children are
fighting, & dying, in Iraq ?

What a pompous ass.


Main Entry: pomp·ous
Pronunciation: 'päm-p&s
Function: adjective
Date: 15th century
1 : excessively elevated or ornate <pompous rhetoric>
2 : having or exhibiting self-importance : ARROGANT <a pompous politician>
3 : relating to or suggestive of pomp : MAGNIFICENT
- pomp·ous·ly adverb
- pomp·ous·ness noun

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This great poem is just for Joe:

http://bullard.esc.cam.ac.uk/~barnett/poems/pompous.html

"The biggest load of pompous ass
Since Pater dropped his trousers."

[Ganja Ninja]

35. Still the same old Joe.

The Connecticut senator said on NBC's "Today" show that he is also troubled with members of his own party, many of whom supported the war, "who now seem to be raising so many question that they're leaving the impression that they don't think this was a just war."

Surprise Joe! It’s call fighting back. It troubles me that there are so many Democrats in high office who don’t seem to be able to grasp the concept. Not only will he not fight back he criticizes anyone who does! What’s up with that???
Still the same old Joe we saw in election 2000, still a GOP water boy in Senators clothing.

[Rex]

43. This really WASN'T a just war Joe!

Get on the fucking cluebus already! I will NOT vote for this guy!