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tomm2thumbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-29-09 09:44 AM
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Gates: No change soon on `don't ask, don't tell'
Source: AP Yahoo

WASHINGTON – Don't expect any change soon to the "don't ask, don't tell" policy about gays in the military.
Defense Secretary Robert Gates says both he and President Barack Obama have "a lot on our plates right now." As Gates puts it, "let's push that one down the road a little bit."

The White House has said Obama has begun consulting with Gates and the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff on how to lift the ban. Gates says that dialogue has not really progressed very far at this point in the administration.
The Pentagon policy was put in place after President Bill Clinton tried to lift the ban on gay service members in 1993.

The policy refers to the military practice of not asking recruits their sexual orientation. In turn, service members are banned from saying they are gay or bisexual, engaging in homosexual activity or trying to marry a member of the same sex.
Gates appeared on "Fox News Sunday."

Read more: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090329/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/gays_military



I believe that is the full text -
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tomm2thumbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-29-09 09:46 AM
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1. At least this line is somewhat promising -

Obama has begun consulting with Gates and the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff on how to lift the ban.
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biopowertoday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-29-09 09:53 AM
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3. oh yeah, just kick it down the road.
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iamjoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-29-09 09:46 AM
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2. Isn't DADT Part of The Problem
I mean, we have these wars going on, we need men & women to fight - why should we exclude them based on orientation?

I really don't get it. The military has relaxed recruiting standards to let in high school drop outs and felons, but we can't allow gay people to serve (without lying)?
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TEmperorHasNoClothes Donating Member (356 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-29-09 11:13 AM
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6. DADT is a problem because it legalizes discrimination and a double standard
I can't understandy why any gay would want to join the military is beyond me. Whether we're involved in war or peace, discrimination is still wrong. We deserve out rights, not just to give heterosexual soldiers respite.
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iamjoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-29-09 09:52 PM
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16. I Thought That Was Obvious
I just figure it should go without saying that it is wrong to exclude some one because they are gay. I realize some people don't see it that way, though, so that's where the practical argument comes in to the conversation.

I'm not sure I understand why any gay person would want to put his/her life on the line for a country that doesn't give him/her equal rights under the law, either. Then I think that we had Blacks volunteering to serve long before civil rights (and they were treated as less than equal by the military, too). In WWII, Japanese-Americans fought for the same country that interred their relatives without due process. Maybe it was being so loyal and hardworking that they gained the respect they should have had all along.
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Smarmie Doofus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-29-09 10:19 AM
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4. Huh?
>>>>>>have "a lot on our plates right now." As Gates puts it, "let's push that one down the road a little bit.">>>>>>>

How did he manage to send more troops to Afghanistan this week? Shouldn't he fix the economy first?

Me confused.

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Runcible Spoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-29-09 10:23 AM
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5. That's right silly gays, get back in line.
Keep those donations and votes flowing, but STFU. Don't you know sinking more debt and lives into the Afghanistan quagmire is much more important than your silly little civil rights? Oh, I mean, feel free to sign up and give your life for us, but don't you DARE let anyone know you're gay, mmk?

:sarcasm: :grr:
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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-29-09 11:13 AM
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7. As if a nouvelle cuisine plate, with tiny amounts upon it
would make a bit of difference.
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Mari333 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-29-09 11:23 AM
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8. corporatist shill
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-29-09 12:12 PM
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9. we live in a country with a neo-fascist governement
the line between both corporate America and government have been erased. Once people start labeling it what it is, others will start to wake up. Never i the media will you ever hear the word "fascism" pertaining to our government. But communist, or socialism.... those words are over-used and abused.
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-29-09 06:57 PM
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10. Such fucking bullshit. Always making us wait.
"Change".

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Alamuti Lotus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-29-09 07:06 PM
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11. Hey gays, if you want to kill people in other countries, just keep quiet about it
I paradoxically agree with Gates, they do already have a lot (of killing) on their plates, this seems trivial compared to the more serious issues with the military business.
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ProgressIn2008 Donating Member (848 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-29-09 08:35 PM
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12. January 14, 2009: Obama will end 'don't ask' policy
"Obama said during the campaign that he opposed the policy, but since his election in November he has made statements that have been interpreted as backpedaling. On Friday, however, Obama spokesman Robert Gibbs, responding on the transition team's Web site to a Michigan resident who asked if the new administration planned to get rid of the policy, said:

"You don't hear politicians give a one-word answer much. But it's 'Yes.' ""

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/01/13/MNTG159HHG.DTL&type=politics&tsp=1
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-29-09 08:46 PM
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13. Sorry, "too much on their plates now".
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Mr. Hyde Donating Member (314 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-29-09 09:30 PM
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15. somewhere out there, there's still a millionaire banker that hasn't been given a pile of money
priorities you know.
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dflprincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-30-09 12:00 PM
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20. Apparently, Truman didn't have anything else to do when he desegregated the military
You ever notice how the time is never right for progressive change?
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-30-09 11:14 AM
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19. He never said WHEN he would lift the ban
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Mr. Hyde Donating Member (314 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-29-09 09:24 PM
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14. That can't be true, obama said he was going to end that policy.
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-30-09 07:33 AM
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17. Did you hear anyone say he won't end it?
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-30-09 07:35 AM
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18. It's no consolation, but I am very sorry that gays continue to suffer legalized discrimination.
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