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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-29-09 11:28 AM
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Fargo Casts Wary Eye on Red River as It Recedes
Source: Bloomberg


By Beth Hawkins and Brian K. Sullivan

March 29 (Bloomberg) -- Fargo residents and officials are standing watch over sandbag levees as the flood-swollen Red River starts to recede from record levels, raising hopes the makeshift barriers won’t be breached.

The National Weather Service yesterday revised its forecast for the flooding river, which forms the border of North Dakota and Minnesota, saying it wouldn’t reach the top of the levees as first feared.

“We are very confident now that the river is on a slow decline, hopefully to 38 feet” by April 5, Greg Gust, a National Weather Service meteorologist in Fargo, said today.

The river crested in Fargo at 40.82 feet (12.44 meters) shortly after midnight yesterday, never reaching the 42-foot level the weather service forecast, which would have put it at the top of some city dikes. The crest broke the record of 40.1 feet set in April 1897.

Read more: http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601103&sid=aWsMTSbfmzpE&refer=us



Way to go people of the north
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dipsydoodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-29-09 11:40 AM
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1. US school swamped by flood river
Record-breaking flood waters in the US state of North Dakota have breached a dike at a school, swamping the campus.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/7970760.stm

Problems would seem to far from over.
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-29-09 12:07 PM
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2. Now the dikes have to hold, the river is gonna stay high for a while.
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RC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-29-09 12:22 PM
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3. The local Fargo web paper
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-29-09 01:37 PM
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4. Good morning, here are some stories, including a breached permanent dike/school
Oak Grove is a park I played in a lot as a kid (I moved away from Fargo yrs back, live in WA now). It is down by the river, in one of the loops/bends of the river. Again, please realize that the area is FLAT. The Red River valley is the bottom of the huge Lake Agassiz lake bed. What ups and downs there are are minimal, with most of them happening by rivers, or from where rivers used to be. Those rivers cut through the lake bed, meandering around, looping a lot, because it is so flat. On the positive and really neat side, the area is great for growing things and the soil is black. Very black.

Oak Grove School is also down in the dip by the river, but not down at the bottom like the park is. They used to flood all the time, and permanent dikes were built. They have a cool sliding door thing, rather like a castle porticullus, to put in place pre-flood. The permanent dike failed.

Even though the water is receeding (and may it continue to do so, oh crap. Temp is 31 and more snow is on the way) the dikes will need to hold for another week until the water drops down lower.

http://www.inforum.com/event/article/id/235700
A permanent dike at Oak Grove Lutheran School in Fargo has been breached, allowing water from the flooding Red River to pour into two of the school's buildings and force an evacuation of a support group monitoring the school's flood situation.

Bruce Messelt, president of Oak Grove, said water began pouring into the lower level of Benson Hall and eventually reached the Scheels Center for the Performing Arts. He said the full extent of the flooding was not known as of early Sunday, but he said up to four of the five buildings on campus were at risk for water damage. "Obviously, we're devestated by the impact this will have on our school," said Messelt.

Joel Swanson, a teacher at the school, said he was a member of a dike-watch team at the school about 1:15 a.m. when someone spotted water leaking from beneath a panel of the school's permanent floodwall. He said despite efforts to seal the leak with sandbags the river quickly ate away the soil beneath the wall and water began pouring into the lower level of Benson Hall. Swanson said volunteers attempted to stem the tide by sandbagging the stairwell, but the water quickly swamped that barrier as well. "Basically, we tried to sandbag the stairwells to make sure we could keep the water in, but water is an amazing thing," said Swanson, who teaches earth science.

The City of Fargo has issued a press release saying that a Code Red has been sent out advising residents between the Oak Grove campus and Elm Street to plug their sewer drains and monitor their basements. The city is not ordering an evacuation....


River is on the right, that is where the park is also.



http://www.inforum.com/event/article/id/235704/group/home/


FARGO – The failure of a permanent dike early this morning at Oak Grove Lutheran School, resulting in the loss of two buildings, serves as a reminder that fight against the Red River’s floodwaters is far from over.

By: Steven Wagner, INFORUM

FARGO – The failure of a permanent dike early this morning at Oak Grove Lutheran School, resulting in the loss of two buildings, serves as a reminder that fight against the Red River’s floodwaters is far from over. The Red River, which appears to have crested at 40.82 feet Saturday, continues its slow decline. The river stood at 40.15 feet at 8:15 this morning.

“Are we ready to say there is a crest? Probably,” Fargo Mayor Dennis Walaker said. “We want to monitor it the rest of the day.” However, the river is expected to remain high – perhaps above 38 feet for the next week – and Fargo and Cass County encouraged all able-bodied sandbaggers to turn out today at the Fargodome.

Fargo used a third of its 300,000 sandbags on standby Saturday in its constant fight to plug leaks in approximately 49 miles of levees protecting the city. Flood fight leaders said they’d like to produce 500,000 sandbags today as it could see the stock currently on hand used up quickly for leaking dikes.


Keeping the streets open for dikers and emergency crews
http://www.inforum.com/event/article/id/235708/group/home/
FLOOD UPDATE: Fargo mayor encourages 'nonessential' businesses to stay closed today
FARGO - Officials here are encouraging nonessential businesses to remain closed through Monday. According to Mayor Dennis Walaker, "essential" businesses are gas stations, grocery stores, restaurants, hardware stores and necessary medical supply stores.

By: Staff report, INFORUM

FARGO - Officials here are encouraging nonessential businesses to remain closed through Monday. According to Mayor Dennis Walaker, "essential" businesses are gas stations, grocery stores, restaurants, hardware stores and necessary medical supply stores.



http://www.areavoices.com/springflood/?blog=47260
ND Health Dept. coordinates deployment of federal medical stations

BISMARCK – At the direction of Gov. John Hoeven, the North Dakota Department of Health is coordinating the deployment of two Federal Medical Stations (FMS) that will receive and care for people with special medical needs in the event they are evacuated from Fargo, according to State Health Officer Terry Dwelle, M.D.

As part of the state’s comprehensive response to flooding, the Department of Health requested the FMS from the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services. One station is located at Jamestown College in Jamestown, N.D., and the other is located at the University of Mary in Bismarck, N.D. People who don’t need hospitalization but who have medical issues and need to be supported will be cared for at the Federal Medical Stations.

“Many people with special medical needs are not in hospitals or nursing homes but are cared for at home,” Dwelle said. “They may rely on home health care or are dependent on oxygen or have other medical needs. In an emergency, it’s important that they continue to receive care if they need to evacuate. These medical stations will help us meet their needs.”

If people with special medical needs choose to evacuate now from Fargo, they should go to the Schollander Pavillion at the Red River Valley Fairgrounds in West Fargo, where a federal medical team will assess each person’s medical needs. From there, individuals will be sent to either the Jamestown FMS or the Bismarck FMS. The sites will be staffed by federal medical personnel sent with the FMS, as well as volunteer medical personnel from North Dakota. Both sites are expected to be operational sometime Sunday, March 29, 2009.




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jfkraus Donating Member (378 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-29-09 01:47 PM
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5. I feel sorry for those people, but...
it would be better if we leanred, as a people, to live in harmony with a river's flooding cycle. That cycle is why we have fertile farmland. Basically, if you have to build a dike/levee to protect your city-- move your city. In the long run, everything will be better. Building dikes/levees just pushes the problem down stream. Rivers should be allowed to flood. At little flooding here, a little flooding there, is better that a lot of flooding down stream.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-29-09 02:04 PM
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7. Most of the area is let to flood, but I have been thinking about this also.
Edited on Sun Mar-29-09 02:05 PM by uppityperson
Again, the river valley is the bottom of an old lakebed that drained north 9200 yrs ago. It is flat, with minor ups and downs. A whole lot of the area is flooded right now, what they are trying to protect are the few cities and sandbagging/diking around their farm homes. They don't dike the whole river, merely around places people live.

Being the bottom of Lake Agassiz is why it is such a fertile area. The ground is frozen and melted water is running across it to the few dips there are, which end up being the rivers. When the rivers cannot take anymore in them, the water then runs back out over the ground. Being so flat, a few inches of water (like 5 inches of snow melting) can cause a big rise in the rivers. Being so flat, a couple inches over the edge of river banks can spread a long ways out.

Perhaps they should move everyone 60 miles away so they won't get flooded during 500 yr floods? I wonder what people will say when we here in W WA have our big earthquake? "They shouldn't have lived there?"

I've a cousin who lives next to Drain 27 in south Fargo, a diversion ditch cut south of Fargo to divert the water flowing across land around the city. I think they need more of these, but they cost a whole lot of money. I bet they will be working on these in the future. After the '69 flood, a bunch of houses close and low were removed and some permanent dikes built. Things change slowly there, I bet they will do more diversions now also.
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lewtang Donating Member (17 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-29-09 11:27 PM
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11. Most of the time I just lurk, but....
....why was Fargo/Moorhead built along the river? The RAILROAD! The first railroad into the state established a facility there precisely because of the river; the Red provided water for the steam engines. Settlement followed and voila, you have Fargo, Moorhead, and later the real rail town of Dilworth, MN (after Fargo basically taxed the original railroad yard out of existence). Most years flooding isn't a big problem, it's primarily been this year and 1997, so should we really ask people to uproot and move the largest city in the state miles away? Probably a lot better to put up a fight the very few times the river does flood this bad.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-29-09 01:56 PM
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6. Volunteer sandbaggers moving along Red River north of Grand Forks
http://www.areavoices.com/springflood/?blog=47278
Volunteer sandbaggers moving along Red River north of Grand Forks

By Ann Bailey

Grand Forks (N.D.) Herald

MANVEL, N.D. — As floodwaters flowed farther north Saturday, sandbaggers moved with it.

Hundreds of volunteers worked feverishly to build sandbag dikes to keep water from inundating farms east of Interstate 29 near Manvel, while another 50 volunteers filled bags to aid the effort.

Mark Johnson was shoveling sand on the grounds of Dakota Metal Fab as his daughter, Kayla Johnson, held the bags. The two heard about the flooding farms from a friend and volunteered to sandbag, they said. Earlier in the week Kayla, a sophomore at Minnesota State University-Moorhead, volunteered in the Fargo-Moorhead flood fight, she said.


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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-29-09 04:25 PM
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8. thank you Uppityperson
Local knowledge and your posts were a great help.

You are an example of why D.U. is such a great resource.

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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-29-09 05:13 PM
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9. Post Katrina, talking with MrUP in CA saying new said NOLA levees held
while reading here from people reporting they hadn't.

DU can be a really good resource. Can be a snarky place too, which can get old, but I very much appreciate people here.
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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-29-09 05:17 PM
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10. I live in Columbus, OH and worked for Kerry in 2004 and I have ...
.... had some DU people tell me about Ohio. :rofl:

But over all DU has some really smart people that help raise the level of
understanding on different issues
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