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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-07-09 05:53 AM
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Venezuela's Chavez hails US anti-nuke stance
Source: Associated Press

Apr 7, 6:34 AM EDT

Venezuela's Chavez hails US anti-nuke stance

By JAY ALABASTER
Associated Press Writer

TOKYO (AP) -- Venezuela's president on Tuesday applauded President Barack Obama's promise to lead the world into a future free of nuclear weapons, and said he was open to working with the new American president.

"With this statement, it is as if an 'Obama missile' has landed," President Hugo Chavez said of the president's call to eliminate nuclear bombs.

He said Venezuela was still "watching and evaluating" the new U.S. administration, but that it was "very different" from the Bush era, with an increased possibility of cooperation.

The often outspoken Venezuelan leader, who has been critical of the U.S. and Obama in the past, continued to soften his stance ahead of the April 17-19 Summit of the Americas to take place in Trinidad and Tobago.

Read more: http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/A/AS_JAPAN_VENEZUELA?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2009-04-07-06-34-00
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-07-09 06:20 AM
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1. Whew! Obama's initiative would be lost without Hugo's endorsement.
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Soylent Brice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-07-09 07:24 AM
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2. as funny as that is, do you agree with what he's endorsing?
i mean, cutting back on teh nukes isn't exactly something to snark at, and if it can get some of the more unsavory world players to jump on the bandwagon, isn't that a good thing?

:shrug:
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Bacchus39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-07-09 07:48 AM
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3. indeed, Obama should send his proposals to Hugo for pre-screening perhaps n/t
n/t
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bitchkitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-07-09 09:05 AM
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7. And Chavez should send his to you.
You're damned interested in the guy, even more so than me, and would be lost without him.

So how about some gratitude to him for giving you purpose?
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classysassy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-07-09 09:21 AM
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11. MEOW
thanks Kitty,you are on target.
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kegler14 Donating Member (541 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-07-09 10:00 AM
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17. I'm sure Bacchus would make better decisions than Chavez.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-07-09 04:36 PM
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28. When Bacchus is a world leader, then he can be mean.
lol
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harun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-07-09 08:03 AM
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4. Viva Chavez!
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change_notfinetuning Donating Member (750 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-07-09 08:12 AM
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5. All joking aside, there is really no reason not to have ongoing talks
with Chavez to at least try to improve relations and, maybe even, turn a thorn into an ally. He could help normalize relations with Cuba and throughout Latin America. The Republicans like to create enemies and are very good at it. Without their hardline BS, this can be an opportunity to create friends and, ultimately, better democracies. To not start talks with Chavez sooner that later would demonstrate gross incompetence.
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subsuelo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-07-09 08:57 AM
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6. you forget that Chavez is a scary socialist
I heard he chews coca leaves too.

And you want the U.S. to TALK to him????????
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-07-09 09:51 AM
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12. OMG, a "scary socialist" is he? They are the worst kind
:rofl:
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pberq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-07-09 09:16 AM
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8. Great news!
This is positive change.
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kegler14 Donating Member (541 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-07-09 09:18 AM
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9. I agree with talks and fewer nukes, BUT
I really don't give a rat's ass what Chavez thinks.
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-07-09 09:53 AM
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14. You and Chavez must have a lot in common.
Edited on Tue Apr-07-09 09:53 AM by L. Coyote
He doesn't much give a hoot what you think either. :rofl:
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kegler14 Donating Member (541 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-07-09 09:58 AM
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16. Chavez is an irrelevant turd.
I'm just as irrelevant, but I don't claim to be the ruler of a country.
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Common Sense Party Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-07-09 10:02 AM
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18. No, he's not a turd.
A turd can be flushed away when you don't want it around anymore.

Chavez will be stinking up the place for decades.
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tama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-07-09 11:58 AM
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23. Respect for turds
if you carelessly flush it, the water goes bad with all the algae and you and your children cannot drink nor swim.

If you respect a turd to compost it and give it back to land from where it came from, you and your children can keep on eating healthy real food.
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Binka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-07-09 10:08 AM
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19. Sorry He Is An Elected OFFICIAL You Are Just A Turd
And a fucking sock puppet.
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kegler14 Donating Member (541 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-08-09 01:28 PM
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30. Elected officials can be turds as well. We just had 1 for 8 years.
Or did you forget.

Sock puppet? Oh that's right, I'm a sock puppet if I don't like every one of your heroes.
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Binka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-07-09 10:10 AM
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20. LOL You Wait Five Years To Post?
Right.
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kegler14 Donating Member (541 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-08-09 01:22 PM
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29. What ARE you talking about?
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-07-09 11:06 AM
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21. Yes, controlling a vast portion of global energy does that to global leaders.
Edited on Tue Apr-07-09 11:07 AM by L. Coyote
You, meanwhile, can post on DU, so you are "anything except irrelevant" compared to Hugo, the Dispenser of Global Energy. :rofl:
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Kajsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-07-09 09:18 AM
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10. President Obama has an opportunity here
to talk with Chavez and ( perhaps) establish an alliance between
Venezuela and the US.

Chavez " said he was open to working with the new American president."

That's what Obama said he wanted to do- Talk with our former
"adversaries".

Now is the time to do this.
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RufusTFirefly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-07-09 09:53 AM
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13. Noooooo!!! This ruins everything!!!!
Edited on Tue Apr-07-09 09:53 AM by RufusTFirefly
Don't people realize that Chavez is Lex Luthor, Ricardo Montalban, and Snidely Whiplash all rolled into one? Comments like these are really going to harm the brand.
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Guy Whitey Corngood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-07-09 09:58 AM
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15. Regular Ricardo Montalban or Ricardo Montalban as Khan in Star Trek?
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-07-09 11:24 AM
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22. The Associated Pukes copy & paste from CIA memos, leave out the "intelligent"
parts (the true explanations of things), and sometimes even get the grammar wrong, as they try to convey the latest U.S. corpo/fascist spin. They are not to be trusted even when they are not doing their usual demonization number on Chavez, "friend of Fidel Castro."

The CIA no doubt understands very well why "the often outspoken Venezuelan leader" ("friend of Fidel Castro") has been "critical of the U.S.," and (heh-heh) critical of Obama "in the past." They and the Bushwhack operatives who remain lurking in the State Department have worked overtime to prevent any accord between this quite good democratic leader and our new administration. Indeed, I think the Associated Pukes were their waterboys in the Obama inauguration week spat. (Someone handed Obama an "exporting terrorism" script and arranged a Univision (rightwing Spanish language 'news' monopoly) interview amidst the festivities of Obama's inauguration; then AP went trotting to Chavez for a negative quote on Obama, and got one. Classic CIA psyops.)

So Chavez, the injured party--in that Obama faux pas, and of course in the U.S.-backed 2002 violent fascist coup attempt, and numerous other plots to topple Venezuelan democracy and destroy Chavez--"continued to soften his stance." :puke:

They also sometimes mistranslate Chavez, to make him look irrational, "dictatorial," anti-Semitic, or whatever else their purposes might be. I suspect a mistranslation of this "missile" remark. It doesn't make much sense. Perhaps Chavez was speaking idiomatically, or deliberately punning and AP just couldn't pick up the nuance, or didn't choose to? He said Obama's "missile has landed"? Or, "it's as if" Obama's "missile" has landed? The man is perfectly literate and well-read. He also generally speaks clearly, and says what he means. I suspect this is yet another AP gaffe, possibly deliberate (to garble his message of potential accord?). They almost never quote Chavez completely--that is, give him a few sentences in his own words, that might reveal his intended context. They paraphrase him, and then sometimes (as here) stick in a few phrases in quotation marks, in the course of the paraphrase. This is extremely bad journalism, but that is not all that it is. It is a crude propaganda technique to create the desired "spin."

This article also has the typical Associated Pukes' black-holes where information should be. They leave out Obama calling him a terrorist-lover in January. They leave out the Bushwhack attempted violent white separatist coup against Chavez ally, Evo Morales, in Bolivia this last September, in which the secessionists tried to split off Bolivia's gas and oil rich provinces into a fascist mini-state in control of the resources. They leave out why Chavez threw the U.S. ambassador out of Venezuela, recently (the attempted coup against Morales, and U.S. (Bushwhack) spying, funding of the rightwing opposition and colluding with secessionists in Venezuela's oil province--Zulia). And they leave out every other bit of crap the U.S./Bushwhacks have tried to pull against Chavez over the last eight years. And, of course, they leave out the whole history of the last century, in which the U.S. inflicted heinous dictatorships on Latin America.

Now to the gist of the article. Those who belittle Chavez--in this thread, with snarky remarks about Chavez's unimportance to the Obama administration, to us and to the world--fail to understand who this article came from, and what it is about. The Associated Pukes publish nothing that does not serve our corpo/fascist establishment, and nothing that is not vetted by those interests. What this article means is that our corpo/fascist establishment has been defeated in its efforts, a) to "divide and conquer" within the leadership of South America (mostly leftists), and b) to prevent a peaceful accord between Obama and Chavez. This establishment knows very well how popular Chavez is, in his own country and throughout the region, and leaders like Lula da Silva, president of Brazil, have gone out of their to stress this reality in South America to the new U.S. administration. They have urged Obama to abandon the Bushwhack tactic of "divide and conquer." They will not have it. They will not be "divided and conquered" as they have been in past decades. They are in accord with Chavez, personally, and in his government's social justice and sovereignty goals for Latin America.

The Associated Pukes would not be publishing this Chavez overture to Obama if they had not been told that there is a new U.S. policy in Latin America (something like, the U.S. will be working with the new leftist leadership, and leaving off the "divide and conquer" tactic, at least for now). That is what the article means, and why it was published. AP would have no scruples whatever about ignoring positive remarks by Chavez, if it suited the corpo/fascist establishment. As to garbling his message (with the "missile" thing--if that's what they did), they probably can't help themselves. They've apparently been asked to do a 180 on Chavez, because leaders like Lulu will not cooperate with the U.S. if the U.S., and the CIA, and its corpo/fascist 'news' monopolies keep up this bullshit.

So I take this article as possible good news. I must say, though, that Obama policy on Latin America has been wildly erratic. One week, they're practically calling Chavez a terrorist; the next week, they're praising Venezuela's democracy (re the referendum on term limits). This may be an artifact of the transition from Bushwhackism to Obama, and of course Obama's preoccupation with the Bushwhack Financial 9/11 and wars. Obama has been handed a pile of disasters and Bushwhack excrement to get us out of. This article may mean that he's finally climbing out of that stinking mountain to look around in our hemisphere, to see what putrid excrement he has to clean up here. I hope this is the case.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-07-09 12:35 PM
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24. Every article they've put out on him in the last couple of weeks has contained an immediate
reference to the "ignorant" remark, without explaining any part of the context, leaving the readers, OF COURSE, to assume, unless they have the ability and intention to do their research, that the guy is a witless name-caller with very little to do other than make trouble.

That procedure actually has been in play well before Hugo Chavez won in a landslide election. They've used it on other leftist leaders, following the very same patterns, attempting to hack away at their images, to devaluate them, to cast doubt upon their judgement, sanity, and certainly upon their character, and to ALSO imply the people of their countries don't really like them all that well, and should be "freed."

It's an old, old trick with our propaganda machines, leaving implications that the people themselves are just fine but have been hijacked by someone who has connived his way illegitimately into power. They've done it over, and over.

They were totally silent regarding the blood bath George W. Bush created in Iraq, the torture, the renditions, the total destruction of our previous gains in environmental measures, the lying, the cheating, stealing, shredding of the Constitution, funding of propagandists among the country's journalists, death squads, political persecution of federal judges, governors, election stealing, etc., etc. They are the nation's only "watchdogs" of government here. Instead of keeping an eye on right-wing U.S. Presidents, they spend their time spinning malignant yarns about leftists leaders, and biding their time until they will be used again to try to take down another Democratic President.

Is there any hope for the public, with these wire service clowns controlling almost ALL the news fed into this country? Anyone who studies their writing learns quickly the actual news is only the smallest part of what they're doing.

What a shame major U.S. papers closed down their own bureaus in other countries all over this hemisphere long ago, and left it to these news perverters.
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justinaforjustice Donating Member (519 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-07-09 01:31 PM
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25. Excellent Comment, Judi Lynn.
Edited on Tue Apr-07-09 01:32 PM by justinaforjustice
The majority of news we are fed through AP and Reuters is totally slanted to reflect the views and political desires of their corporate owners. The traditional media has all but abandoned factual reporting, let alone investigative reporting. Only 5 or 6 corporations own the majority of U.S. news media -- and AP and Reuters.

Before Kissinger and the CIA brought down the democratically elected Allende government in Chile, they conducted a systematic media campaign vilifying him. These same corporate forces, in league with their U.S. government counter-parts, have attempted to bring down Chavez. Their coup against him failed, but the vilification campaign continues. They have not abandoned up their plans to depose him, as their rhetoric betrays.

Our only salvation lies in the Internet, where it is possible to obtain facts as well as in-depth analysis of their significance. We must protect the independence of the Internet at all costs, it is the only thing that will save us all from world-wide corporate controlled totalitarianism.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-07-09 01:56 PM
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27. You're right: only through the internet can we even HOPE for honest information.
Beyond that it would be the Dark Ages, all over again.

What an unbearable pity that all the news sources would be merged, then controlled by a tiny few people. It's so sad.

Hope something will loom into view to break up this control of our traditional news sources, within our lifetimes, the sooner the better.

We desperately cannot afford to lose any part of the internet as we know it, NOR to have the same people who took over the newspapers gain more and more control of our last outpost, last hope, last chance to breathe free air.
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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-07-09 01:40 PM
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26. Good for Chavez.
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