Al Gore joins Cheney-Obama feud

[Turborama]

Source: USA Today

In a CNN interview this morning, former Vice President Gore got involved in the political feud over his successor Dick Cheney.

Gore said he wished Cheney would have given President Obama more time in office before criticizing national security policy. A stern critic of Bush policy over the years, Gore told CNN's John Roberts that "I waited for two years after I left office to make statements that were critical, and then of policy."

Cheney has stayed in the news for months, arguing that Obama's decision ending a program of enhanced interrogation techniques undermines national security and makes the U.S. more vulnerable to attack.

Gore, who like Obama has described some of those techniques as torture, questioned Cheney's credibility, citing the Iraq War: "You talk about somebody that shouldn't be talking about making the country less safe, invading a country that did not attack us and posed no serious threat to us at all."

Read more: http://content.usatoday.com/communities/theoval/post/2009/05/66825289/1

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Nice one!

[eleny]

1. I'm glad he came forward to illuminate the truth of his long silence

Hopefully, this will put an end to the false talking point about him that's been all over.

[wizstars]

22. Thank you PRESIDENT Gore

(he will always be that to me--not that other worthless lying p.o.s. that moved in and f*cked us all over for 8 years).

[grasswire]

2. Keep talking, Al!

Let's rumble!

[intheflow]

3. Gore waited 2 years before criticizing his successor?

You mean once again a Dem put statesmanship and diplomacy over party politics and fear mongering? Cheney will never get it.

[Psephos]

41. Actually, he did not wait two years

He should google himself before making that kind of statement. It doesn't help him or us. These took me less than five minutes to find.


http://www.berkeleydailyplanet.com/issue/2002-04-23/article/11539?headline=Gore-criticizes-Bush-administration-s-environmental-policies%3C/p%3E

http://www.nytimes.com/2002/10/03/politics/03GORE.html

http://archives.cnn.com/2002/ALLPOLITICS/02/13/gore.speech/index.html

[sweetladybug]

48. psephos, actually you are wrong. Gore DID wait 2 yrs before criticizing his successor

You might want to check your dates on these links

[Psephos]

49. Ladybug, chimp was inaugurated in January 2001

The dates posted are well within 2 years of Jan. 2001.

Unnecessary errors like this allow pugs to dismiss an otherwise valid point.

[Sebastian Doyle]

4. And if anyone would have been justified in criticizing Bush Crime Family policies

it would be the man whose presidency they STOLE. :evilfrown:

[Wizard777]

5. You tell 'em Al. Perhaps Obama should mail Cheney a Loyalty Oath to sign.

That's how Cheney handled criticism of Bush's Policies. Remember the bad old days of how dare anyone question the White House. Dick Cheney is obviously Un-american and Hates America. But everyone knows Dick Cheney's only loyalty is to Halliburton bottom line.

[Turborama]

6. "But everyone knows Dick Cheney's only loyalty is to Halliburton" Ain't that the truth!

Bring it!

[No Elephants]

7. Gore nailed it, but is too polite to say the full truth. Reagan, Bush I and Bush II endangered

us more than Obama would in his worst nightmare.


Foreign policy has consequences, too.

[rvablue]

8. The completeness and definitiveness of that last sentence breaks

my heart about the way the last 8 years could have been.

And what SHOULD have been.

[autorank]

9. He's setting Cheney up

because you know the Dickster will fire back intemperately.

Then Gore is in a position to go to some forum and just swing for the fences on Cheney and the
whole Bush legacy.

I saw gore at Constitution Hall, Dec, 2006. He was awesome, totally and completely, on Bysh tyranny
and tragedy. He'll nail Cheney to the wall and leave him there.

[YvonneCa]

13. I have that speech on a DVD...

...from C-Span. I sure wish they'd replay it. ;)

[autorank]

47. Here you go

Text of speech

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0601/S00121.htm

Article

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0601/S00122.htm

Hand held video
http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=al%20gore%20constitution%20hall%20january%202006&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&hl=en&tab=wv#

C-Span video

http://www.c-span.org/Watch/Media/2006/01/16/HP/A/3298/Fmr+Vice+Pres+Gore+Speech+on+Executive+Powers.aspx

(Easy to find but I can't play it for some reason, probably need Real player but who knows. It's there.)

I was there in row 8 or 9. A speech for all time, truly outstanding.
Enjoy

[YvonneCa]

54. It must have been something to actually have been...

...there. :) Thanks.

[shanti]

30. has jimmy carter weighed in yet?

i'm curious...

[autorank]

46. Excellent question! Not that I've heard ... but wait!

Oct 10, 2007
http://www.reuters.com/article/politicsNews/idUSN1026419120071010

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Former U.S. President Jimmy Carter on Wednesday denounced Vice President Dick Cheney as a "disaster" for the country and a "militant" who has had an excessive influence in setting foreign policy.

Cheney has been on the wrong side of the debate on many issues, including an internal White House discussion over Syria in which the vice president is thought to be pushing a tough approach, Carter said.

"He's a militant who avoided any service of his own in the military and he has been most forceful in the last 10 years or more in fulfilling some of his more ancient commitments that the United States has a right to inject its power through military means in other parts of the world," Carter told the BBC World News America in an interview to air later on Wednesday.

"Jimmy Carter" + "Dick Cheney" (Google Web)

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&hs=sFD&q=%22jimmy+carter%22+%2B+%22dick+cheney%22&btnG=Search

I did the same on Google news and he's not activated yet;) But he'll be there. Can't wait.

[bdamomma]

10. oh boy, big Al is hitting back too, thanks VP/President Gore.

[LiberalLovinLug]

11. Shut the Dick Up!

Lets see, the Dick was (de facto) in charge when the largest terrorist attack occurred on US soil. At one time the head of the FBI was told to never bring up the name Bin Laden again, Rice lies that she never saw a report (that all those under her saw) on imminent threats by al Qaeda, the President going on record number of days vacations for his first year. Ignoring voices like Richard Clarke warning you about the threat.

Back then you scoffed, fired or marginalized those telling you that the US should be getting more vigilant in defending against terrorist attacks. Then because you didn't listen, the towers fell. And after that, to make matters worse, you fix the intelligence to attack a weakened Muslim country that had nothing to do with 9/11, going on an illegal torturing and killing spree. This actually INCREASES the threat of new terrorist recruits targeting the USA.

So now, 2 or 3 months into Obama's Presidency, you have the gal to accuse him of not being vigilant enough against terrorism? Do you actually think you have any kind of credibility on national security?

Fuck if the MSM would actually present these facts about him and his ill-fated tenure as VP when they introduce him for all of these 'sit downs', he may not open his ugly twisted yapper so much.

[Amonester]

42. rich chainy's personal gain is always to INCREASE the threat

traitor chainy never cared about anyone but himself

as long as helliburton makes MORE profits that's all that matters for that insane war criminal

connect the dots: more wars = more free $$$$$$ for rich chainy

[elocs]

12. Hell, it would have been nice if people here could have given Obama more time

before criticizing every move or decision he made that did not line up with their superior wisdom of how the country should be run.

[TankLV]

55. At least he wasn't like many HERE who didn't wait till AFTER the INNAUGURATION...

I remember the bitching within WEEKS after, too...

some here were even WORSE - and we're supposed to be DEMOCRATS!

[alsame]

14. Could you even imagine if Clinton, Gore and the top people in

their admin had started criticizing Bushco for 9/11? Or the anthrax attacks?

The GOP, along with their media lapdogs, would have branded them as unpatriotic traitors. They would have been DESTROYED by the media.

But Cheney just 'cares about America'. :puke:

[humbled_opinion]

20. you know that is a very interesting point

made even scarier by the current belief by large majorities of Americans that the media is favorable to Democrats and liberal policy. Its like a powder keg the left made the case you can't believe in the Government and the right made the case you can't believe what the media is telling you. What happens when this blows up? Scary indeed.

[defendandprotect]

25. This is true . . . without doubt -- but . . .

If Americans would turn their TVs off -- or better yet, put them in the closet,

it couldn't any longer be true.

We are not fighting hard enough on any of the issues ---

but I think the unraveling has to begin by stopping the buying of government and

our elected officials -- bar corporations from any participation whatsoever in our

elections.

FAIR ELECTIONS NOW ACT -- HR1826 -- LEGISLATION IN THE WORKS

COMMON CAUSE IS WORKING FOR THIS, GETTING SENATORS AND REPS TO SIGN 'PLEDGES' TO

VOTE FOR THE ACT WHEN IT COMES UP.

ALSO THEY'RE WORKING TO GET ADDITIONAL SEN/REP SPONSORS.

If you're in favor, call your Senators and Rep and urge them to sign up!!!

[EFerrari]

15. It makes you want to weep for the country we could have right now

had Al Gore been seated.

[florida08]

16. I respect that man

Can you imagine how different things would be now if he had been seated like he should have been in 2000? Makes me sick what Katherine *ick Harris did to him along with John Ellis. And Cheney out there saying he's like to see Jeb run..lol so would I..away!

[Aragorn]

17. Just took the sign down last month:

Re-elect President Al Gore!

[goclark]

37. I love me some Al Gore!

It would have been such a beautiful 8 years with him. :cry:

[FailureToCommunicate]

18. Al Gore is just too decent a guy. That was part of the problem in 2000. He didn't

fight the results. He conceded too quickly. Then after the Supreme Court stole the election with BUSH v GORE, he said 'well that's it then, what else can we do?'
I like Al Gore. I got to meet him years ago. He is the BEST at arguing the fate of our planet.
He's just... too... decent.

[RaleighNCDUer]

21. He conceded too quickly -

only holding on for 28 days after the election, when the supremes snatched it out from under him in a decision that they themselves knew was wrong, or they would not have specifically stated that the decision could NOT be used for precedent.

Yeah - what a looser.

[destes]

28. naivety does not necessarilly equal decency

But in this case Al Gore represents me more than ANY other extant politician. Obama should bring Gore into his cabinet as a trusted advisor. Why has he not? Shy?

[Samantha]

38. Please check out Al Gore's response in my signature line

He made this remark several years ago when questioned why he conceded after that Supreme Court decision.

I believe many thought this Country was close to a civil war over election 2000, and Al Gore just loved the Country too much to allow that to happen.


Sam

[FailureToCommunicate]

39. "I believe many thought this Country was close to a civil war..." Well... maybe, but

only if you thought the Rove organized goons outside the recount headquarters (with their suspiciously similar printed protest signs) were for real as the Networks breathlessly repeated...
No doubt voters were angry at the protracted harangue, but "violent revolution" is Monday morning fantasy and Al Gore's justification. Sure the SC's decision WAS the last word, maybe. But he and his people could have done more to counter the
Rovettes BEFORE the outcome of Bush v Gore. Considering how the BushCo years ruined America's standing and killed thousands, hundreds of thousands here and in Iraq, Gore and all SHOULD have done more!

[Samantha]

40. I don't think anything could have stopped the theft of election 2000

The Republicans had many people in this Country convinced a recount was just an attempt to steal the election by Al Gore when it fact it was historically and still is very common in elections that close.

But Baker's plan from the inception was to steer that election all the way to the Supreme Court because he knew how that would end up. Day 1 plan. That is why the Republicans kept baiting Gore to go to court in Florida because they knew many ordinary people would see an election decided in the courts as "fixed" and would for eternity hold the results in contempt. In that regard, the "winner" by court decision would probably be regarded as "illegitimate."

Gore refused to take the bait. He actually was much smarter dealing with this situation than many people gave him credit for. And that is why ultimately the Republicans were FORCED to file the first lawsuit and Bush* ultimately received the "rewards" many insiders knew he would. He was considered "illegitimate" by many people in this Country as a result of the way the battle was fought. And so he was.

Sam

[Uncle Joe]

58. You are criticizing a past decision; that had a snowball's

chance in hell of succeeding with a higher probability for an even greater disaster than what has occurred.

"Considering how the BushCo years ruined America's standing and killed thousands, hundreds of thousands here and in Iraq, Gore and all SHOULD have done more!"

Al Gore had far more than just the Presidency, personal power or even ideology to be concerned about, as the foremost political champion in regards to the looming catastrophe of global warming climate change. He knew better than any political leader before or since that we are rapidly approaching non-reversible global warming climate change tipping points.

Consider the circumstances at the time.

1. The Republican mouth piece corporate media had been waging a near eight year witch hunt against Clinton over any and everything with the primary focus being integrity or credibility.

2. The Clinton/Lewinsky Scandal and impeachment made integrity or credibility the primary issue; particularly in moderate to conservative states; where there was a smaller margin for error.

3. The corporate media transferred this same frame of pseudo guilt to Al Gore beginning in March of 1999 with their well documented "War Against Gore." By using relentless and continuous slander and libel, their ludicrous institutional wide lie of "Al Gore claimed to have invented the Internet;" while most effective in chipping away at his credibility with many Americans still dependent on getting their information from our so called "Fourth Estate" particularly in the moderate to conservative states, was only the snowflake on the tip of the iceberg in regards to the quantity of lies heaped against him by the corporate media.

4. The Internet was weaker then, but I believe the owners/CEOs of the corporate media saw the writing on the wall as to how the Internet's growing power, money making potential and influence would continually erode their long held monopoly on those powers. No doubt they saw a day approaching when their ability to crown the President would diminish as a result, President Obama's fund raising ability via the Internet focused on small size donors is testament to this. I also believe this was the primary motivation; (I call it the Prometheus Effect) for the institutional wide corporate media enmity; that Al Gore engendered from them. There was absolutely nothing fair or just in their institutional wide coverage. Only in exceptionally rare cases did any of corporate media pundits or editorials call the others on their total lack of professionalism, trying to set the record straight and they were as trees falling in a forest where the others had their hands over their ears. This slander and libel ran from the early morning shows to late night comedy, radio, newspapers, and magazines. The one thing, they could never bring their petty asses to do; was actually give the man credit for his achievements in democratizing information, although to my knowledge, Al Gore is the only political leader to have won a WEBBY Lifetime Achievement Award for his contributions toward opening the Internet to the people.

http://www.webbyawards.com/webbys/specialwin.php

5. Republicans controlled the corporate media; which was most influential and would later go to setting American Opinion, by convincing or brain washing a vast majority; some polls stated 70+% of the people that Saddam Hussein was behind 9/11.

6. The Republicans controlled the U.S. Supreme Court; which overruled the Florida Supreme Court and against Gore. The corporate media having already trashed Gore for the better part of two years prior to the selection would not have presented him or the protesters in a sympathetic light, had they bucked the Supreme Court's ruling, they weren't being sympathetic or just in their coverage even prior to the ruling.

7. Republicans controlled the Florida State Legislature; they were ready to send their own electors if the Florida Supreme Court ruling had stood. Florida had a Republican Governor and Secretary of State obviously helping Bush.

8. Republicans controlled both houses of the U.S. Congress, it would be they; who would select which electors to seat, anyone believing they would have sided with Gore must be delusional.

9. Some lukewarm Democrats were already urging Gore to drop out.

My conclusion is, had Al Gore continued to fight against those odds one of two scenarios, neither of which are favorable would have occurred.

A. The worst scenario and admittedly a long shot, Civil War or major violent unrest, Bush still wins.

B. Major disruption and social upheaval, Bush still wins.

Al Gore's credibility would have been destroyed by the powers that be in either case, his chances of being taken seriously and having substantial effect in warning the people about the looming catastrophe of global warming climate change; and it's imminent irreversible tipping points likewise would be nil. In regards to saving life as we know it; time is of the essence and I believe Al Gore knows this better than anybody. Today Nader is viewed in a harsh light in spite of his many contributions to society, seat-belts being one example, I believe this is because many view him as having charged at wind mills; making the perfect the enemy of the good; Al Gore's cause would not allow him the same luxury.

[FailureToCommunicate]

59. Thank you for the long response. I'm not sure a I agree with you that it was worth

(or unavoidable) all the death and destruction of the Bush years for Gore to have not had his "credibility" tarnished so he -Gore- could go on to do the 'more important' cause of speaking out about global climate change.
Perhaps I am just looking for the most prominent scape goat because I, like many others, are grieving the loss of friends or family in the resulting disasters on Bush's watch (9/11, Iraq ...)

[Uncle Joe]

60. Those tipping points are real and I hate to say it but

all the death and destruction of the Bush years will be as a minor skirmish in a major war.

One tipping point, the article I posted below doesn't even address, is just a matter of a few degrees warmth causing long buried or submerged methane to be released in to the atmosphere. Two points about methane; it has 7-10 times the heat trapping characteristics of carbon dioxide and the last time, the Earth had a major release of methane, half of all life on the planet died.

So while Gore's credibility; in and of it self may not seem like a major issue, during a time when he was virtually alone on the national political stage warning of this crisis, gambling human life on Earth as a wager that his credibility would stay in tact, particularly after recent corporate media history, was a pretty steep bet.

I am truly sorry for any loss of family and friends, you may have suffered because of Bush disasters, but I believe Al Gore had you, your entire family and all your friends in mind when he made his decision to concede in 2000.

http://www.alternet.org/environment/76053

“Nine ways in which the Earth could be tipped into a potentially dangerous state that could last for many centuries have been identified by scientists investigating how quickly global warming could run out of control.”

<snip>

Irreversible changes

* Arctic sea ice: some scientists believe that the tipping point for the total loss of summer sea ice is imminent.
* Greenland ice sheet: total melting could take 300 years or more but the tipping point that could see irreversible change might occur within 50 years.
* West Antarctic ice sheet: scientists believe it could unexpectedly collapse if it slips into the sea at its warming edges.
* Gulf Stream: few scientists believe it could be switched off completely this century but its collapse is a possibility.
* El Niño: the southern Pacific current may be affected by warmer seas, resulting in far-reaching climate change.
* Indian monsoon: relies on temperature difference between land and sea, which could be tipped off-balance by pollutants that cause localised cooling.
* West African monsoon: in the past it has changed, causing the greening of the Sahara, but in the future it could cause droughts.
* Amazon rainforest: a warmer world and further deforestation may cause a collapse of the rain supporting this ecosystem.
* Boreal forests: cold-adapted trees of Siberia and Canada are dying as temperatures rise.

[TankLV]

56. Oh please - we weren't CLOSE ENOUGHT to civil war over what the REPUKES did then...!!!

too busy watching Idol and other crap...

[democrank]

19. Thank you, Al Gore.

[L. Coyote]

23. Bush stole the election, gave us 9/11, and Gore remained silent. Mistake?

Gore should have been screaming bloodless JUNTA!

[defendandprotect]

24. Cheers for Gore -- he didn't have to do this -- but all Democrats should . . .!!!

Those who aren't being paid to be asleep, that is -- !!!

[xchrom]

26. yeah -- but 9-11 'changed' 'everything'.

never mind that we've never ever been told what 'changed' means or 'everything' means.

the reluLick Party only speacks a sub-human version of verbal communication -- the rest of humanity can't understand -- although moderates seem to be able to translate bits of it.

[emmadoggy]

27. Yay, Al!! Kick some ass!

I'm so sick of seeing the Dick's mug on tv everywhere and all the damn time!! Can't he just go crawl under a rock somewhere and leave us all alone?? ENOUGH ALREADY!!

[Uncle Joe]

29. "Gore, who like Obama has described some of those techniques as torture,

questioned Cheney's credibility, citing the Iraq War: "You talk about somebody that shouldn't be talking about making the country less safe, invading a country that did not attack us and posed no serious threat to us at all."

Al Gore rocks!:yourock:

Thanks for the thread,Turborama.:thumbsup:

[santamargarita]

31. Never take any shit from a Goddamn Fascist Pig...

or anything else that smells like a Republican!

[MasonJar]

32. Al Gore is a great citizen of the world and a true statesman of the USA.

His speeches after the 2 years were riveting and forceful. No one was listening at first but he continued the debate until many came to notice the atrocities. The Felonious Five will live in infamy for what they did to this country. They denied us a chance to be a world leader in energy conservation and a consummate beacon of truth and right in a dangerous world. Instead we led the forces of evil, out of greed and hegemony.

[mackerel]

35. Al Gore is wonderful but seriously he should proceed with caution.

As long as Cheney keeps talking he becomes the face of the GOP. Some old white dude with a bad ticker. It helps the dems tremendously.

[glitch]

36. All good, this will most likely make Cheney spew more. :) nt

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34. You Go Al, You Go!!

Bitchslap the damn lot of them...

[wroberts189]

43. Al Gore rocks. KNR

[southerncrone]

44. Go, Al! Nice to see you weighing in on this to give Cheney's actions some prespective.

[politicalmajority]

45. Thank You President Gore. Dick Cheney Helped Terrorists Fight Against the U.S.

First by allowing 9/11 to happen under his watch through his gross negligence.

Second by shifting the country's national security focus from Afghanistan to Iraq, which had nothing to do with 9/11.

Third by weakening our economy with his reckless economic and energy policies.

Dick Cheney is America's national security threat within and a friend to terrorists. It's no wonder al Qaeda endorsed Bush and Cheney in 2004.

[kegler14]

50. I like this line

"Gore, who like Obama has described some of those techniques as torture, questioned Cheney's credibility"

Boy, that's not hard to do.

[Danchi]

51. Torture-Gore vs. Cheney

Cheney and all those people who feel these techniques are not torture should read this letter from a former US Serviceperson whose son is now in the military and waterboarding was practiced on him. Maybe this will open their eyes.


The Huffington PostMay 16, 2009

Mother of U.S. Marine Waterboarded by Our Military Hits Latest Torture Excuse -- and Cheney


As the usual rationalizations for U.S. torture (it works, it's not so bad, we didn't do it anyway) have come under increasing attack in recent days, a relatively new defense has emerged, from GOP members of congress, columnist Charles Krauthammer, Fox News' Jim Angle, and many others: Waterboarding can't be torture because we used it on "thousands" of our own troops as part of their training!

Of course, some have questioned the degree of waterboarding (was it the lite version?) and, of course, none of the military personnel were subjected to it 83 times. But the argument remains out there.

This week, I received a letter from a woman from Florida, mother of a young Marine, who has corresponded with me before about her military background and her son joining up, at Editor & Publisher. Her latest letter was extremely disturbing and also extremely relevant to the latest torture excuse. Here is it is, with her name omitted for obvious reasons.

Dear Mr. Mitchell, I have been so profoundly upset for the last few days that I can hardly express it, so I decided to write to you again. My son is ok physically, thank God, but what was done to him by his own leaders sickens me beyond belief. My son was in a field that required that he attend SERE school. He was trained as a member of a flight crew that could potentially go behind enemy lines, so SERE was required. I'm a veteran, I thought I had an idea of what was ahead for him, so I gave him a maternal pep talk and told him that it would be very hard but these people were on his side and were trying to prepare him for all possibilities and this would help make him prepared and tough. I didn't know how naïve my encouragement was. I thought they would teach him how to escape, and how to survive. I had no idea that it would be a sadistic exercise in dehumanizing and terrifying him. He was 19 at the time. I am sickened by this, and outraged. My 19 year old son was water boarded, among other despicable things, and I had encouraged him to succeed at SERE. They did more to him that he has yet to explain to me, one thing that went on long enough for him to start hallucinating and to think he was dying.... Now we all have found that the two men who came up with this program were using my son and everyone else who went through SERE as guinea pigs for their sick, sadistic torture program. Then they sold their torture program to the sadists in the Bush Administration and became overpaid military contractors who spread this poison throughout our military. My son is not reenlisting. He is getting out soon. He has been depressed for a long time now and can't wait to get out. This is why I'm writing to you: Yesterday on TV I saw some Republican mouthpiece, some ex-Cheney aide, who has never worn a uniform and has NO idea what the hell he is talking about, say that we never tortured anyone because we did it to our own troops and they volunteered to serve; therefore it isn't torture. His statement was allowed to stand unchallenged. My son did NOT volunteer to be tortured. He was NOT told what would be done to him at SERE. He was told he would be taught to survive. Instead he was tortured, humiliated, degraded, shamed, and told to keep quiet about it. How in God's name would that prepare any of our troops to survive capture? It won't. It will only make them break quicker in the hopes of not having to go through more torture. Who will speak up for my son and the others like him who joined the military to serve and who were subjected to sadistic torture, not by the enemy, but by the war criminals ostensibly on our side? These people, Cheney and his talking heads, everyone of them chicken hawks who avoided serving, should NOT be allowed to use torturing our troops as rationalization for their crimes. There is NO excuse for this. People need to go to jail for this, and I don't mean the Lyndie Englunds and other low-ranking troops who were led into this. I mean the people who ordered it at the top. The people who are still trying to justify their crimes and are now having their mouthpieces use my son and others who were tortured as their cover. And for what? So the sadists who came up with this, and they are sadists, can keep themselves out of trouble? They all stood by silently, including Cheney, while lower-ranking troops went to prison for the evil they ordered done. Now they want to use my son's torture as their rationalization? No! This must NOT be allowed to stand unchallenged. I can't stand feeling so helpless. I WANT A VOICE. I want to confront those evil people who are still selling this torture as if it were our only defense against terrorists, and who now are attempting to use our troops to defend their indefensible, morally corrupt, war crimes. My son was not given a choice, he was not made aware of what would be done to him, he was ordered not to talk about it. He was tortured - by sadists, for bigger sadists. Who will stand up to those responsible for this?

* Greg Mitchell's latest book is "Why Obama Won." His previous book on Iraq and the media was "So Wrong for So Long." Email: [e-mail]. At Twitter: GregMitch

[Wednesdays]

52. K&R

:kick:

[Triana]

53. Tricky Dick II is just covering his own a$$...

...he doesn't care about legality, policy, or anything else.

[XXXMADAM]

57. CIA TERRORIST PIMPS

Bill Clinton was their main target at the time, they told me this. Just after the Waco Davidians burned and prior to the Lewinski sextortion.

http://www.defraudingamerica.com/robin_head.html

xxx

[TooRaLoo]

61. I want Gore to come back to work for us.

I say this not in spite of his environmental work, because that means a great deal to me, too.