Suspect supported killing abortion providers, friends say

[RamboLiberal]

Source: McClatchy News

The suspect in custody for the slaying of Wichita abortion doctor George Tiller was a member of an anti-government group in the 1990s and a staunch opponent of abortion.

Scott P. Roeder, 51, of Merriam, Kan., a Kansas City suburb, was arrested on Interstate 35 near Gardner in suburban Johnson County, Kan., about three hours after the shooting. Tiller was shot to death around 10 a.m. inside Reformation Lutheran Church in Wichita.

In the rear window of the 1993 blue Ford Taurus that he was driving was a red rose, a symbol often used by abortion opponents. On the rear of his car was a Christian fish symbol with the word "Jesus" inside.

Those who know Roeder said he believed that killing abortion doctors was an act of justifiable homicide.

Read more: http://www.mcclatchydc.com/251/story/69151.html

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Read the article - lot of other interesting stuff on this MF'er. He's definitely a terrorist. Remember the RW's outrage that Homeland Security had warning in their report on the whacko portion of the Anti-abortionists? Well here's evidence that some of them are homegrown terrorists.

[flvegan]

1. He's an Army of God lemming.

[RandomThoughts]

3. What part of his actions would you say are part of the work of God?

I would say your statement that he is part of the Army of God, at least as I think about it, is wrong.

But people falsly thinking that, is one of the reasons for his action.

[flvegan]

4. Ummm...Army of God, the organization.

I won't send you to their grotesque website, so here:

http://www.prochoice.org/about_abortion/violence/army_god.html

on edit: better link

[RandomThoughts]

8. I didn't know an organization was using that name. unbelievable.

Its hard enough to know when the little things we do in life are of the right spirit. Its a constant challenge to check your actions and try to think right and do right. To name an organization that is ridiculous, and I think that is being kind.

I am not saying lowering abortions is not a good thing, it makes sense in everyone's minds. But to make a claim of such a title for one specific agenda is really weird.

[Justitia]

15. a very violent, very dangerous group (Army of God). -eom

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[get the red out]

22. "Army of God" Organization

It is a specific right-wing organization. Much like the Taliban is to Islam.

[bikedude]

42. round them up and send to guantanamo

The Army of God sounds like a terorrist group to me, shooting
doctors and blowing up buildings. whatever happened to guilty
by association. But, we are talkng about Kanas, just like
Texas its a whole other country.

[RandomThoughts]

2. It is sad that the teachings of Jesus did not reach his heart.

Love thy enemy, Love thy neighbor, and many more thoughts.

I know there are many Christians that see actions like he did, by people saying they follow the teachings of Christ, as shameful and sad.

[Richard Steele]

11. Someone one once said that you don't need a Bible to justify LOVE...

...but it's the best tool in the world to justify hate.

[The Wizard]

26. Marx was right about religion

And it was mentioned long before Marx.
"We have just enough religion to make us hate, but not enough to make us love one another." Clipboard
(Jonathan Swift)

[RoBear]

27. Nobody hates like a "christian"

Unless it's a repuke.

[RandomThoughts]

46. I think alot of it is how you interpret the Bible. n/t

[Chulanowa]

20. There are lots of Christians, but very few followers of Christ

I have little use for either, but I don't actively dislike the latter. Not that this has done me any good, I don't think I've ever met one IRL. everyone who fits the bill belongs to another faith.

I suppose being the majority religion goes to some folks' heads.

[YOY]

28. I met a few of the latter yesterday of all days.

In a Lutheran Church of all places...just like the good doctor's. I was there for a friend's child's baptism. They were so friendly and loving and happy without being whacked out on crazy that I was even more pleasantly surprised at the end where an openly gay couple mentioned an outreach to the GLBT community at the end of the pride parade this week.

The church wasn't packed but it was diverse and they were sincerely "nice" folks...very odd for my jaded Catholic Agnostic ass...

If I could still believe I'd like to be with a church like them.

[shadowknows69]

5. Nice of the people that knew this about him to warn anyone

I'll bet if they saw three Muslim men, or hell, even not-white men, talking together in a diner the authorities would be flooded with calls. I would bet money that these militant anti-choice groups recruit thier "martyrs" just like any Muslim extremist group does. They pray on the weak minded and easily led and once they have them in their thrall it just takes one little dog whistle to release the hounds.

[EFerrari]

17. Nicer still to shoot their mouths off when he's in custody.

It probably takes all of them to open a can of soup.

[RamboLiberal]

6. Kansas criminal record

http://165.201.143.205/kasper2/offender.asp?id=35318

http://www.shawneecourt.org/doe/search.jsp?last=ROEDER&first=S&ALL=Y&close=&location=internet

http://mountainsageblog.com/

BTW his conviction on this was overturned.

He was on FBI watch list back in 96 on the Freemen connection.

[bikedude]

7. abortion doctors murder

these prolife idiots are sick and a sorry excuse as
humans,what does it say about them when they ambush a person
in church, in gods house of all places. and then they run and
hide, why run away if they feel it's justifiable.  

[kimmylavin]

10. Why run?

Because they're cowards.

Welcome to DU, btw... :)

[bikedude]

44. I feel so at home

Thank you all for the welcomes, I found my people, Iv'e been
lost too long.

[Richard Steele]

13. Hello, bikedude.

Welcome to DU! :hi:

[Heidi]

25. Cowardice aside, how pro-life is it to assassinate a health-care provider?

Welcome to DU, bikedude. :hi:

[Dappleganger]

39. Welcome to DU!

I appreciate what you wrote. I'm a biker, too. :D

[Tumbulu]

9. I am sick of the MSM calling him an "abortion doctor"

what kind of description is that? Very wrong wing in my book. A doctor who performs abortions would be more accurate, but I would imagine that Dr. Tiller performed other medical practices as well.

[WCGreen]

18. Really, that gets to me as well...

He's a surgical gynecologists, if I am not mistaken.

Fuck them. They are adopting the loaded lingo of the people who wished him dead...

[rustydog]

12. I can imagine the only time this evil man EVER said "Jesus"

is when he stubbed his toe.

There is no way a Christian, who reads and accepts the teaching of Christ can murder another.

[Amonester]

16. Like there is no way a Taliban, who reads and accept...

the teaching of Muhammad can murder another reader of the teaching of Muhammad...

Wait...

[LyndonDelanoObama]

23. Christians have been killing

people in the name of God since the beginning. After all it was Jesus that said;

"Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword." - Matthew 10:34

Jesus was just following the example set by his Father:

Deuteronomy 7:1-4 God, the father of Jesus and one third of the Trinity, ordered the Israelites to kill - animals, men, women, children, and women pregnant with a child (abortion of the unborn by killing the mother ordered by the same loving God as these pro-life nuts believe in).

So the believers flew an airplane into . . . sorry wrong story . . .

The believers invaded the city of Jericho:

And they utterly destroyed all that was in the city, both man and woman, young and old, and ox, and sheep, and ass, with the edge of the sword. Joshua 6:21

[jwirr]

14. The Christian fish is as old as the catacombs of Rome. I have one

in my jewelry box and I am pro-choice. The fish simply identifies a Christian - not anything about abortion or rw idiocy. I refuse to let them steel our symbols like they have stolen everything else.

[HopeHoops]

29. I lost a good job because I had a Darwin fish on my car.

Actually, I it had a Jesus fish on the driver's side when we bought it (just the fish, no name inside). I put a Darwin fish on the other side. My asshole boss was a Catholic. I never drove that car to work because my wife used it. Everything was fine until the day I had to use that car for some reason. After that, my asshole boss went cold. He wouldn't even meet with me. About a week later, I was "downsized".

There's no way I can prove it was motivated by his asshole religious beliefs, but I know it was. Asshole.

[jwirr]

45. And it was a violation of your freedom of speech.

[REP]

19. Merriam. Why am I not surprised?

Place is a fucking armpit.

[proud2BlibKansan]

34. Now now

I live in Johnson County and there are plenty of good Democrats in Merriam who are outraged over the actions of their neighbor. And really, Merriam isn't all that bad. If you want to be in red state hell, go to Olathe :)

[Wabbajack_]

21. How "pro-life" to murder a grandfather of ten in a church.

:mad:

[Mortos]

24. There may have been a conspiracy to commit murder

A local news channel in Kansas reported that a house in Merriam (5044 Knox) was connected to the shooter Scott Roeder (FBI Confirmed the link between Roeder and the house on Knox - the car that he was driving was registerd to this address). The house, according to neighbors, had several men coming and going from it recently and apparent prayer vigils in front of it (Saturday, neighbors reported a group of men in some sort of religious ceremony). The house appears to be owned by a Kansas politician and lawyer.

Johnson County Election website shows the house belongs to:

Joe Kronawitter - Merriam - Democratic
5044 Knox, Merriam, KS 66203

I can't find anything on Mr. Kronawitter and nothing, other than the house, connects him to Roeder. But the house, which was shown on the tv stations newscast is, according to them, linked to Roeder.

The video report can be seen here:

http://news.lalate.com/2009/06/01/scott-roeder-merriam-kansas/

[Sarah Ibarruri]

30. We need to find out how to disable Operation Rescue which is...

the killing organization which this murderer was a part of. They plot the killings of doctors and need to be disabled and chased out of business. I'm sure the organizers of Operation Rescue are making beaucoup money.

[pattmarty]

31. Now is a good a time as any to bring up dropping the tax-exempt..............

........status on ALL church's and religious organizations. I have absolutely no idea how much in revenue that this would add, but it has to be an absolutely humongous number.

[NJmaverick]

32. A text book fundemental christian/right wing terrorists

DHS was right.

I would also like to see them go after the terrorist group that advocates violence, that was mentioned in the article.

[proud2BlibKansan]

33. I also have reason to suspect he was a member of our local nutjob libertarian group

Still looking into it but we suspect he was part of the group here that loves Ron Paul, hates Obama and Mexicans, doesn't believe in paying taxes or working and is deep in the '911 Truth'* koolaid.

* I put quotes around that because there is supporting a more thorough 911 investigation and then there is promoting the wackiest 911 theories imaginable. These folks are so deep into the 9111 crap they wear several tinfoil hats - one isn't enough.

[onehandle]

36. Where did he get the gun? nt

[queerart]

37. These Type.....

Swear that "waterboarding" isn't torture.....


So I say... if it isn't torture (and is legal as the public has been told).... then they need to take this homegrown terrorist.....


... and waterboard him for a little round of "enhanced questioning" for the names of his terrorist friends......


If waterboarding is just peachy for "foreign terrorists", then it should be as American as apple pie, and baseball for "homegrown terrorists"....

[slackmaster]

38. Too bad nobody turned his sorry ass over to law enforcement before he acted out his madness

:argh:

[Hestia]

40. I find it deplorable that it is always men who do these killings - the very gender that cannot have

an abortion, but yet, they seem to be the most vocal. I refuse to have an abortion debate with someone incapable of having one, i.e. men and 80 year old people. It has shocked quite a few people in a group when I say that. I tell me they have absolutely no skin in the game, and what they think really doesn't matter.

[Swede Atlanta]

41. The Amerikkkan Christoban...equal to the Taliban

I hope he does NOT get the death penalty...that would be too easy on this freak. I want him to be held in a tiny cell for 23 hours a day for the rest of his life. I want him to feel the pain of incarceration every day. It isn't pretty. Only then will he maybe recognize that taking a life is taking a life no matter the circumstances.

Personally I think Operation Rescue and similar organizations should be labelled as domestic terrorist groups and placed under surveillance. Perhaps their leaders should be held in "preventive detention" at Gitmo, indefinitely since these same kooks think there is nothing wrong with detention without charge.

[JonQ]

43. Well, obviously

otherwise he wouldn't have done it.