Schwarzenegger Cuts Mean No College For Thousands

[villager]

Source: CBS 3

Schwarzenegger Cuts Mean No College For Thousands


Higher education officials say budget cuts proposed by Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger would prevent hundreds of thousands of Californians from attending college this fall.

The executive director of the California Student Aid Commission, Diana Fuentes-Michel, told lawmakers Monday that the Republican governor's plan to eliminate new Cal Grant aid to lower income, college-bound students could keep more than 200,000 students out of classes.

The California State University's chancellor, Charles Reed, said the cuts were the equivalent of cutting enrollment at the 23-campus system by 60,000.

Reed and University of California President Mark Yudof urged members of a budget conference committee to let university officials figure out how to impose any cuts lawmakers approve to help balance the state budget.



Read more: http://cbs5.com/local/budget.cuts.college.2.1027466.html

[Stellabella]

1. And Repukes continue the deliberate dumbing down of America.

Our standard of education and living really has reached its peak. Thanks to repukes over the last 30 years, our country is swirling the drain.

[onehandle]

2. The Gropenfuhrer is making more Republicans by keeping them stupid. nt

[OhioChick]

3. ......

:rofl:

Good point.

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[onehandle]

9. HEY!...

ok. it's true. we're idiots.

[sasquatch]

10. Well most but not all, I listen to Bob Kincaid on a regular basis and boy do I feel bad for him

[shanti]

34. speak for yourself

;)

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[OhioChick]

30. Let's talk Texas... n/t

[WriteDown]

32. Sure, what's the current unemployment rate in TX? nt

[AnneD]

40. 6.4% as of April

not seasonally adjusted. I couldn't get Mays yet.

[OhioChick]

54. So, just because Ohio has high unemployment.....they're "dumb?"

:eyes:

[ohio2007]

57. people in "MEESHigan" think that. It helps them feel better when they cash the welfare checks

holler

" O - H " - " I - O "

[AnneD]

31. Only because they were abandoned by the Democratic Party....

The Dem's have been nothing but GOP lite for years now. You obviously don't know your union history. Most of the auto industry worker were from the deep South and many were ex miners. Read up on the Appalachian coal miner before you open your mouth to spout such ignorance. They were all hard core Democrats too. Even Texas was Democratic. I remember when growing up, Texas was solid blue. I had never met a Republican until I went to College.

The abandonment of the Union and their workers started with Clinton and NAFTA and it continues today with Obama and the sale of GM to Fiat. As an RN, a Union member, and a Southerner, I find your remarks ignorant and insults a large number of Southern DU's here who have been working hard to mend the fences that the Democratic leaders have trampled over. I'll be happy to educate my fellow Southerners on the virtues of the Democratic Party-AS SOON AS I SEE SOME.

The Dem leaders are quick to ask for union money (and free campaign workers that man phones, block walk, tirelessly)but once they get to the dance they forgot who brought them-and Southerners work to hard for that dollar to be jilted. The final electoral map doesn't truly show how big Obama carried the Southern States. And had he not won, there would have been civil unrest-starting in the South I am sure (we're use to civil disobedience). If the Dem's don't get off their asses and start acting like Dem's-lot of Southern Dem's won't show up to the polls the next election.

[WriteDown]

33. Bingo....

Thanks for that.

[Old Coot]

36. "it continues today with Obama and the sale of GM to Fiat"

Since when?

[AnneD]

43. I miss spoke...It is Chrystler as opposed to GM....

that is suppose to be sold to Fiat.....

BUT....watch very carefully how they handle the bankruptcy as this will determine the pensions and health care for the union retirees and workers. I smell a rat though, per this article and Summers quote....




The 31-Year-Old in Charge of Dismantling G.M.


“Brian grasps both the economics and the politics about as quickly as I’ve seen anyone do this,” said Lawrence H. Summers, the head of the National Economic Council who is not known for being patient whenever he believes an analysis is sub-par — or disagrees with his own. “And there he was in the Roosevelt Room, speaking up vigorously to make the point that the costs we were going to incur giving Fiat a chance were no greater than some of the hidden costs of liquidation.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/01/business/01deese.html

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[sasquatch]

51. Yeah, I'm sorry that whole civil rights thing turned them dead from the neck up stupid

but it was the South that gave us the DLC and the corpratist Dems. You see the south couldn't stand to be equal with non-whites so they through themselves and our country into the toilet just to get back at us. I'm sorry but, you aren't entitled to your own facts.

[riverdeep]

37. You might want to check out 'Harlan County USA' on your next movie spree.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iCiVMngILEI

[AnneD]

45. That very video....

was going through my mind when I wrote my post. Thanks for posting.

[sasquatch]

52. Yeah, but they still went back to the old ways of doing things because of racism-

and religion.

[ThomCat]

4. And on the Federal level similar things will soon happen.

There is already talk about chopping medicaid/medicare and "fixing" social security. Every social program is on the chopping block.

Everything except military spending and corporate welfare. For some reason there is MORE money available for military and corporate shit. :grr:

If we ended the wars and chopped the pentagon budget we'd have plenty of money for social programs, with plenty left over to distribute to the states to help fix the state budgets. These kids could be going to college!

Instead, they're being driven into the military. After all, the military is the only place with a budget left to hire them. x(

Our government is showing off some really sick priorities on all levels. Unfortunately, our Democratic Party is hand in hand with the republicans in much of this, pillaging our future. :(

[aquart]

7. Yet no one has shot a CEO in church.

Maybe they just don't go.

[Iowa]

20. You nailed it...

Unfortunately, "our" Democratic party isn't ours anymore. I think a lot of people were holding on to a glimmer of hope in 2008, but Obama pretty much sealed the deal once safely elected. The Dems have sold us out.

[riverdeep]

38. You mean having lobbyists on the floor standing off to the side

while credit card reform legislation is being enacted isn't considered kosher?

[lisa58]

6. I know someone who knows someone.....

....and I really do....

CA needs help - prayers if that's what you do - .....

[CoffeeCat]

8. So, if you're out of work...

...and unable to find work in your field---you're now unable to better yourself or re-educate yourself so you
can find work in another field.

Lovely.

Now I know how the people in steerage on the Titanic felt. Trapped like rats!

[ThomCat]

11. But I'm sure there's more money for building prisons.

New construction of Prisons seems to be moving right along. It's a growth industry. We're already incarcerating a higher percentage of our population than anyone other nation on earth, and it's still rising. It's that Wonderful! x(

[CTM1978]

12. REPUBLICANS HAVE BEEN PLANNING CALIFORNIA’S DESTRUCTION FOR DECADES……

Do any of you really think that it’s an accident that the state known for “Liberal” Hollywood, the devil worshipping music industry and the homosexual Mecca San Francisco, home to many a dirty fucking hippie, has been run into the ground by Republicans and their Bible thumping drones?

No, it has been the right’s long term plan to destroy EVERYTHING in the USA and they have been getting away with it since the election of Reagan. They have destroyed the manufacturing base of the USA, crippled its infrastructure, obliterated it’s ability to educate, smashed it’s healthcare industry, demolished it’s military and fucked the entire economy right in the ass.

This has NEVER been an accident. It is all by design.

[Mnemosyne]

15. An 'on purpose' if ever there was one.

Welcome to DU, CTM1978! :hug:

Not sure what level of hell you'll find here, but it's never, ever boring. :)

Namaste

[marybourg]

16. With a "little" help from the voters of CA. nt.

[DatManFromNawlins]

17. Of course, it's all the big, bad Republicans. Californians? No blame whatsoever.

Grow the fuck up.

Who was it that elected Reagan to be governor of California again?

Who did California vote for when Reagan was running for President?

Which political party was in control of Congress when Reagan and Bush were getting their budgets and legislation passed?

California isn't in the mess it's in because of some huge Republican conspiracy. California is in the mess it's in because Californians have lacked the will to vote for politicians with their best interests in mind and tax increases necessary to keep their government afloat.

Remind me again, who is the current governor of California?

That pissy little blame game where you break out a list of shit you hate simply because it makes you feel good to rant and moan doesn't help a goddamned thing.

There is plenty of blame to go around, and the people you should blame the most are the people in the first paragraph of your diatribe for not doing enough to make sure this shit didn't happen.

[CTM1978]

19. The old "blame game" defense shows you to be a right wing shill so....

FUCK YOU!!!

Yeah because the Californian energy crisis of 2000/2001 wasn't deliberately engineered by Republicans, Dick Cheney and Enron to screw over Davis so they could sucker people into voting for Arnold who has since ran the state into the fucking shitter, eh? The eighth largest economy in the world, home of the movie industry, music industry, I forgot to mention the PORNO industry, silicon valley ect… and it’s going broke because of fanatical Conservative scum LIKE YOU!!!

Oh and what about prop 13, which has contributed to California’s downfall for over 30 years? The two main backers of that piece of shit legislation were Howard Jarvis and Paul Gann, two Republican scumbags who, as usual, didn’t want to pay taxes. It was Prop 13 that has made it IMPOSSIBLE to have any sort of progressive taxation policy and it’s because Conservatives wanted it like that.

So take your “blame game” right wing talking point defense and shove it up your fucking asshole!!! You are so fucking typical, it’s the publics fault for California, it’s the bad apples fault for Abu Ghraib, it’s minorities fault for the economic collapse, it’s those poor black peoples fault that they didn’t get out of New Orleans, 9/11 wasn’t Bushco.’s fault because he was only in office for 9 MOTHERFUCKING MONTHS and yet EVERYTHING that’s happened in the last four months is all Obama’s fault.

Once again…….FUCK YOU!!!

[DatManFromNawlins]

44. I see that you have no counter to simple basic facts

Therefore, you resort to insults.

Where did I mention Obama again? Oh, that's right, I didn't.

Try not to project so much. Last time I checked, it isn't the RNC or the Greens or the Democrats who had or have the right to vote for or repeal Prop 13. It's the people of California.

Imagine that, people living in a democratic republic having the right to change the course of their government's policies through voting on policy and voting for representational leadership and failing to do so. Wonder where else this has happened... hmmmm?

Remind me again, who voted for Arnie? Who voted for Davis? Who voted for Ronnie? Who voted for Prop 8? Who voted for Prop 13? It sucks for you, doesn't it, that the policies and politicians that Californians voted for are directly responsible for their current economic crisis.

But I understand. You need to find someone to blame for all the perceived faults in the world, and instead of focusing on who is truly at fault, you instead reach for the boogeyman.

Sorry, I don't play that game, because it is completely non-constructive. You might get off on getting emotionally worked up and hoping someone else will dogpile along with you, but you don't seem to be leading much of a charge.

And as far as the blame game is concerned? You're blaming everyone you can find past your little tin foil fedora. I'm simply blaming the people who are ultimately responsible for the mess.

[tomreedtoon]

24. Was California all that liberal? And did Repub's do it iall?

I'm sorry, CTM1978, I think you're wrong on those two counts.

First, California was never all that liberal. Oh, it appeared that way, but remember that the state was founded on greed. People went there for the gold. They stayed for other kinds of greed. The base story of Chinatown was the artificial water scandal that built Los Angeles. And although Who Framed Roger Rabbit? was comedy, there were real equivalents of Judge Doom that created the messy freeway and smog automobile debacle of the state.

Those guys ran the show. They didn't care that their sons and daughters went naked, drugged and eccentric, because good Republican conservatives really ran the show, and always did.

And the current business - the hideous expulsion of Grey Davis and the election of Schwartzenegger - was supported by those so-called "liberal" Californians. It wasn't conservatives that put up the basically "joke" candidates like Gary Coleman, Angelique and the other seventy-odd people AND animals wearing human clothes. Mostly it was the people who believed California was so wonderful and magical that it didn't matter who was governor.

[WriteDown]

26. Wow...

I've never seen Chinatown and Who Framed Roger Rabbit used to tell the history of California. Sweet. :)

[sendero]

27. Never attribute to malice..

... what can be adequately explained by stupidity.

The Republicans are simply True Believers. They actually believe thier bullshit economic ideas have merit.

Nobody wins when the country is in chaos. NOBODY. This is all a product of greed, simple as that.

[keepCAblue]

42. It was liberal Hollywood who got Arnie elected...

Spielberg and many of the wealthiest Hollywood "liberals" donated millions to Arnie's re-election campaign. Spielberg's stated reason for supporting and giving Arnie all that money: Because Arnie promised not to raise taxes on the wealthy.

[Igel]

50. It's simple.

California led the way in subprime mortgages and other alternative mortgages. They led the way in unaffordable spending.

In the last decade there's not been a year when the state budget hasn't increased faster than inflation. They spend every cent they take in as taxes, and *then* have the temerity to make that spending obligatorily part of the baseline as though the good times are a given and the very thought of another economic downturn is, well, anathema to sound budgeting. They lovingly and caressingly plan to create disaster in any downturn because every budget increase is permanent because increased tax revenue is counterfactually taken to be permanent and never-ending.

It doesn't help--but hurts less than most would expect--that the initiative process sequesters tax money in odd ways. It means that the money's apportioned differently, but doesn't stipulate that there have to be deficits or that all the remaining has to become baseline spending.

You can blame Schwartzenneger, but the same kind of thing happens every recession. First, blame the legislature for not doing the responsible thing all along, instead doing the politically expedient thing--they hold off budget cuts until it's too late to do anything to make them agonizing; they don't budget responsibility during good times. Second, blame the electorate for overreacting when the legislature doesn't do the responsible thing and for not being dreadfully responsible themselves.

Too many people live on the budgetary cutting-edge, both commoners and legislators. Some people rely on refinancing their mortgage, others run up credit cards, some turn to mom and dad, and others turn to the federal government to tide them over completely predictable and completely unncessary fiscal shoals. Of course, typically the first response is to blame somebody else--dems blame freepers, Californians blame red states, freepers blame big government, populatist use their affordable foreign-made computers to rail against sending jobs overseas, etc., etc. These complaints would be far more convincing if they weren't the first and last recourse, because they provide no solutions while absolving the complainer of any and all responsibility and invariably require more, sometimes much more, debt. Truly, truly a new era of responsibility (to quote a phrase).

[midnight armadillo]

58. Demolished the military?

Uh, I think you need to check your facts.

[ddiver]

13. California has more than enough millionaires. What is the problem?

I'll bet an entertainment industry tax could help.

[comtec]

22. The problem is increasing taxes requires a ballot proposition

it's just how it's done, i'm afraid.
I agree raise the upper end income tax, and corporate tax.
I doubt mega corps will leave CA as their HQ because they are actually made to pay taxes.
California is too vital to global communication and travel.
The whole "businesses will leave if we raise taxes" is a straw man.
People come to california because it's California.
largest port in the country.
THE gateway to the east, etc ,etc.

The problem is that the south is very conservative, the north not so much.
the other problem is that companies spend BILLIONS on defeating good propositions, and even more creating bad ones.
The bad ones generally fail, but some are not properly fought (lets be honest, the fight to stop 8 was weak - and that caused a slim passage, if there had been proper opposition to it from the beginning it would have gone down in flames).

Prop 13 was also mis-represented in the media when it came out, and the anti-13 crowd was weak.
13 was put up by gop-ers and mega corps, and it was sold as protecting granny's house. who wants to see poor little granny loose her house, despite the fact that iirc, the tax law at the time had exceptions for granny, just like the "death tax" has exceptions for family, ACTUAL family not mega-corp, farms.

The democrats and liberals have only just started to understand how to frame arguments, but it's at least 30 years too late. the damage has been done and all we can do now is put band-aids on a sucking chest wound.

I agree the proposition law is broken and really needs to be fixed. Education is always the key. And can you blame Californians for wanting more direct control over their own laws and lives?

people tease us because we have so many propositions, etc, and out ballot initiative system, but consider, this was originally meant to be ground up legislation, the people regulating their own lives.

and every time a people-made proposition HAS won it's been struck down... Why aren't people focusing on that more. We started the medical marijuana laws, that the rest of the country enjoys, but OURS were struck down by the federal supreme court.

OUR state's rights have been ignored, our federal taxes are taken away and returned to us at the LOWEST rate, and YET we were the FOURTH LARGEST ECONOMY IN THE WORLD FOR A DECADE!

so consider that the next time people attack California.

[ohio2007]

56. I thought California citizens had a massive tuition break if they attended college in state?

You think "the alumni" of past grads would organize and say thanks by helping out the next generation expecting to pay as they go.
Well, since many of those grads are unemployed now,it wouldn't be feasible. Guess nothings free any more.

Hollywood types don't pay taxes. They have good accountants beating the system for them while they attend and hope to graduate "celebrity rehab" .

[Mnemosyne]

14. Just pleasing the PTB. What an asshole. n/t

[Adsos Letter]

18. My tuition for my final semester of Grad School at a CSU campus went up $500.00 for next Fall...

I'm older, and doing alright, so it isn't a big stretch for me, but it will certainly be a burden for some students.

EDIT: all that money, and I still can't spell... :dunce:

[telmerc]

21. Uhhh

depressing. California is going to go from First World Mini Nation State to Third World craphole in less than a decade. Depressing indeed.........

[happygoluckytoyou]

23. DUMBING DOWN SOCIETY..... what the republicans call RECRUITING FOR THE GOP ! ! !

[conspirator]

47. Absolutely. The poverty vicious circle. Young men cannot go to college. They go to Iraq instead

Fight the wars to make the rich richer.

[No Elephants]

28. An almost unbroken string of Republican Govs since Reagan. Trickle down economics=drought.

[Jkid]

29. No more grants= no college, they may have no choice but to get a job.

But currently no one's hiring at all if any. So it leads to an inevitability: life of crime (which leads to prison) or the military (where they'll send them straight to Iraq the first chance they get.)

[AlphaCentauri]

35. comedown to reality, the republicans have set the agenda for the last 60 years

they are always on the offensive

[riverdeep]

39. I don't think I can think of a better way to destroy your future.

It's like eating your seeds for food because you're hungry.

Gropenator had to cut something, that was the message the voters (for the something like 22% who voted) told him. So he's going to cut those who have the least political voice and power to fight back.

Looks like these kids are headed for McDonalds U.

[AnneD]

46. In an Out Burgers if they are lucky....

at least they pay well:9

[keepCAblue]

41. keep *them* poor, uninsured and uneducated...

So far all of Schwarzie's cuts have been to the people who need it most: cutting health/medical for poor children, cutting 100% of funding to AIDS programs (programs which PWAs depend on for life-saving medication), cutting tuition grants for the poor. And Arnie's not friend to animals or the environment either: Close 80% of all state parks and nature preserves and waive the law requiring animal shelters to wait the couple extra days allowing owners to get to the shelter to find their lost pet.
Yet Arnie says nothing about making state politicians turn in their new autos the state leases and pays for, or cuts to their per diems or travel budgets.

[Karenina]

48. The Shock Doctrine in action. n/t

[sakabatou]

49. New Repuke motto: "FUCK THE PEOPLE."

[Libertyfirst]

55. Florida has just increased tuition to state schools l5%.