Conservative Group Launches New Website to Counter Online Left

[Nambe]

WASHINGTON, July 28 /U.S. Newswire/

Citizen Outreach, a limited government advocacy organization, launched its new website today, saying its objective is to be a mainstream alternative to MoveOn.org, the leftwing grassroots activist organization which sprung up during Bill Clinton's impeachment. The new website can be accessed at http://www.citizenoutreach.com.

"MoveOn.org has a big, five-year head start on us and they are very well organized," notes Citizen Outreach President and CEO Chuck Muth. "But they're attracting the kooks and the flakes; the socialists and the anarchists; the blame-America-firsters and knee-jerk peaceniks. They huff and they puff and they blow around a lot of hot air, but there's no there there. These guys are nothing but the next generation of bleeding- heart McGovern liberals."

Muth also discounted MoveOn's claims of effective political action. "They lost in their effort to stop the impeachment and they lost their effort to stop the U.S. from removing Saddam Hussein," he said. "On their two signature issues, they're zero-for-two. Not a very impressive record." ---

Banish bush From Texas Too

[JohnKleeb]

1. so what if we lost we were right thats what matters

and Mr. Muth shut your fucking Muth about George McGovern at least he served his country. You all blame America not us oh wait we are blaming our country when we admit is wrong. Shut your Muth Chuck Muth. Sorry thats lame guys but these RW shills make me wanna yell so hard.

[dArKeR]

55. Don't any TRUE DUer even click on that site! Use your heads, traffic

gets them sponsors, attention, invites to TV shows... Same goes for Drudge and the other like scum slugs feces Repukes! NEVER! NEVER! NEVER!

http://darkerxdarker.tripod.com/

[hang a left]

65. ALERT

Seems the freeps have posted this thread on their website with all of our comments. Their too chickensh*t to have a forum of their own, lets invite them to a debate on their turf.

[Star]

2. "Not a very impressive record."

So, then, why are they being copycats?

These cheap-labor conservatives have nothing going for them except hate and fear. Pathetic.

[indictrichardperle]

3. another Clear Channel/Freeper phony stage prop

"fake grass roots"

Like one of those god damned Freeper rallies on C-Span.....14 Looooooosers and 20 journalists covering the event.

Oh yea, lots of laid off struggling Richard Perle, Bill Kristol fans out there.

[BuckeFushe]

4. Hmmmmm, does it appear to anyone else that they are scared of us?

Renewed Clinton bashing and referring to his statements about Iraq during 1998. Counter-websites to ours. Defense of Shrub over the "16 words" as if his pResidencey depends on it (it does).

We are over 132,000,000 strong as Democrats and Independents in this country. Do you think that they are worried?

[metisnation]

34. clinton was a crook

we were all conned by this man. Ol Bill and Bush have a lot in common.

[bsiebs]

37. Please be more specific with your statement...

What are you referring to when you call Clinton a "crook"? And on what planet do Bill Clinton and Dubya "have a lot in common"? You do not make any sense.


On edit: grammar...ugh

[geomon]

68. Clinton stole jobs from..

Americans when he signed NAFTA. Hes a crook in my book. and I VOTED FOR HIM!

Clinton and Bush have one thing in common...they are both in it for the corporation and the PACS they both don't give a fuck about the little guy.

[mac56]

71. You could not be more wrong.

Welcome, geomon, but get your facts straight. I don't see how a reasonable person could claim Clinton was only in it for the corporations and PACS, and didn't care about the little guy. Save your ammo for a real target.

Moving from Budget Deficits to Historic Surpluses: Economic strategy of fiscal discipline combined with investing in the American people moved the economy from a record deficit -- $290 billion in 1992 -- to the largest dollar surplus on record -- $167 billion in 2000. Clinton was on track to eliminate the Nation's publicly held debt by 2013. Then you-know-who came along.

21.6 Million New Jobs: 21.6 million new jobs -- the most created by any Administration and more new jobs than were created from 1981-1992. The economy added an average of 248,000 jobs per month, the highest of any President on record.

Low Unemployment: Fell to 3.9%, the lowest in more than three decades. Unemployment rates for African Americans and Hispanic Americans were both at historic lows, while the unemployment rate for women was the lowest since 1953. Unemployment remained below 5% for 34 months in a row.

Strong Economic Growth: Averaged 3.9% per year since Clinton took office, after growing just 1.7% per year from 1988-1992. In February 2000, the United States entered the 107th consecutive month of economic expansion -- the longest economic expansion in history.

Strong Private-Sector Growth: Increased 4.4% annually since 1993. Between 1993 and 2000, 19.7 million new jobs were created in the private sector -- the highest percentage since Truman was President and presiding over post-World War II demobilization.

Lower Government Spending: At 18.7%, Federal Government spending as a share of the Gross Domestic Product was at its lowest level since 1974.

Low Inflation: Underlying core rate at 1.9% in 1999 -- the lowest rate since 1965. In 1999-2000 the GDP price index rose only 1.3% -- the lowest rate of increase since 1963.

Real Hourly Wages Up: Grew 6.8% under the Clinton Administration. In 1999-2000, average hourly earnings increased 3.7%, faster than the rate of inflation. The US had 5 consecutive years of real wage growth, the longest consecutive increase since the 1960s.

Higher Median Family Income: Increased by $5,046 -- rising from $41,691 in 1993 to $46,737 in 1998.

Lowest Federal Tax Rates in a Generation: A four-person family with the median income of $54,900 paid the lowest share of their income in income and payroll taxes since 1966.

Reduced Welfare Rolls: Welfare rolls were down by 7.2 million (or 51%), after increasing by 22% from 1981-1992. This was the largest welfare caseload decline in history, and the lowest number of people on welfare since 1969.

Declining Child Poverty: Under Clinton, the child poverty rate declined from 22.7% to 18.9% -- the biggest 5-year drop in nearly 30 years (1965-1970). For African American children poverty was the lowest on record; for Hispanic children it was the lowest since 1980.

Highest Homeownership Rate: In 1999, the homeownership rate was 66.8% -- the highest ever recorded. Minority homeownership rates were also the highest ever recorded.

More Auto Industry Jobs: 161,000 new auto jobs were added -- the fastest annual rate of auto job growth (2.6%) since the Johnson Administration.

Growing Construction Industry: 2.0 million new construction jobs were added -- the fastest annual rate of growth (5.2%) in 50 years.

[Gman]

79. And... Clinton headed the DLC.. this was his promise

And he kept it. Those DLC bashers out there should take a long hard look at these figures then stop and think again about what wins elections.

Excellent post.

[Name removed]

90. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[geomon]

98. The problem with your "facts"

Is that they are not attributed to specifc policies.

The economic behavior of people is influenced by the political climate but economic trends are above and beyond the world of politics.

I also think that it would be dishonest to not show the downsides to those economic numbers as well.

Each of the statistics that you show may be true or be factual but to attribute them to a particular administration if a big stretch.

On the matter of corporate and PAC contributions, I will not sway from the idea that these contributions do a great disservice to our rights as indaviduals as well as the very foundation of our democracy.

[robbedvoter]

43. Uh, the new site is in the original post. We are the kooks

they talk about. I know, easy mistake....Just mke a right - you'll find it!

[agincourt]

59. Sorry buddy,

But if Clinton sold the upsidedown nudie pens, then Bush is Larry Flynt. Clinton can't compete with Bush on some things. Corruption being one.

[chadm]

82. When you consider what Bev did

they should consider us their number one enemy.

[proud patriot]

5. This is proof we are a powerful force to be reckoned with

read my sig line ...

[Guaranteed]

49. Don't worry...Repukes don't know how to use the Internet

[Robb]

70. Insert:

Insert obligatory "Winders 2000" joke here....

[Rich Hunt]

86. nothing to worry about

I've done a lot of right-watching on the internet over the years, and here are some of my observations:

They're philistines who are less sensitive to language and therefore they don't write very well. This makes them less persuasive and less able to motivate each other very well. The days of Buckley Jr. snob types are long gone. They pride themselves on their hatred of culture and education.

Related to this is the fact that they can't design a website for shit. Honestly - I have not found one nice conservative web site or forum. They're hideous, which makes them less attractive to potential visitors / navigators. These are not creative people.

Finally, they just make terrible activists. They simply don't need to work as hard, so they don't work as hard.

The outright fascists and extremists that you find online work a lot harder.

[Demobrat]

6. Well, they're good at name calling.

But we knew that. Let's see what else they can do.

[Mel]

7. this CON site

has anyone went and looked at it yet?

[shirlden]

13. OMG !!!!

I just came from there. This Chuck Muth is King of the freepers. This is no more that a dressed up freeper site with the same invictive garbage, inane and insane. Do yourself a favor and don't go there if you just had dinner. It is baaaaaad !!!!!!!
Rush/Hannity/Coulter/Savage redux.
I think I'll go vomit

:puke:

[mike_c]

16. I just did....

Typical wingnut bluster. One gem though:

AWOL Dick Costs Dems Head Start Vote

"A Republican bill giving states more control over the Head Start preschool program passed the House by one vote yesterday after two Democrats failed to participate, including Rep. Richard A. Gephardt who was campaigning in South Carolina. . . . Mr. Gephardt has missed 356 roll call votes since January, according to a running tally maintained by the Republican National Committee's Research Department."

- Washington Times, 7/26/03

I guess there just wasn't a Rose Garden photo op involved....

[Ivory_Tower]

24. Just took a peek

Five minutes I'll never get back....

And I see the guy has a web show on the "Radio Free Republic" network -- I don't think I want to know what that is.

Oh, and the survey was...different.

[shirlden]

8. Calling all Duer's

How about a few thousand of us all go on over to that new web site of theirs and sign up. We can have some fun and maybe get them off to a rip-roarin start. I am on the way.


:evilgrin:

[Kolesar]

17. it is not a message board

I noticed that they do have training there...that could be useful. This week they have "Twenty questions" for candidates. None of the questions are "How many doors have you knocked on?".

[Mel]

18. bwaaah haaa haaaa!

I hear ya wild :dem:

I haven't ate so I might be able to make it :evilgrin:

[bemildred]

9. More Conservative money down a rathole.

:thumbsup:

I'm sure Mr. Muth is well paid for his efforts, and I'm sure
he will fail to make an impact. It is not the Conservatives
that lack means to be heard.

[tinnypriv]

10. "Blame America First"

Nobody has yet explained to me why American's shouldn't blame their own nation first if it is responsible for something. Isn't putting your own house in order the best thing to do?

Of course, that principle generalises to all nations.

[JohnKleeb]

14. dont know

But I have never heard a democrat or liberal blame America maybe be critical of her governments actions I dont call that blaming I call it critizing apparently these morons didnt study english too well in grade school. blame- to put responsiblity on and criticize- to disaprove of a policy.

[libtexan]

73. libtexan

This "Blame America First" is another bullshit red herring that my Me publican brother likes to toss
around. Arguing with him is like arguing with any Me publican: They know we're right so they make
personal attacks instead of intelligently debating the issues. There are a few Republicans that don't fit this description.
For them it is always "Blame Clinton First.

[ze_dscherman]

58. One may also call it "be responsible"

Isn't this said to be a conservative value?

[iam]

75. We shouldn't blame America

We shouldn't blame America because America didn't do it, dumbya did. Blame dumbya. If you blame America you're blaming me, you, my mom and dad, your neighbor and everyone else on this board. It pisses them off and they vote for conservatives who blame liberals.

[tinnypriv]

87. I disagree

Tony Blair may have invaded Iraq, but I consider that to be the fault of Britain as a whole, because we didn't stop him.

IMO, I live in a democracy and a (relatively) free society - I'm therefore responsible for the actions of my nation, at least to a large extent.

[gristy]

11. They are afraid...

"MoveOn.org has a big, five-year head start on us and they are very well organized," notes Citizen Outreach President and CEO Chuck Muth. "But they're attracting the kooks and the flakes; the socialists and the anarchists; the blame-America-firsters and knee-jerk peaceniks. They huff and they puff and they blow around a lot of hot air, but there's no there there. These guys are nothing but the next generation of bleeding- heart McGovern liberals."

very, very, very, very afraid. :scared:

[EOTE]

41. And well they should be....

This is absolutely the sloppiest, poorly researched site I've ever seen. They get off to a great start by quoting a Maxim article on Uday Hussein. I don't know about you, but when I think of magazines to quote on foreign affairs, I think Maxim. Then they list this supposed quote by Uday Hussein "This time I think the Americans are serious. Bush is not like Clinton. I think this is the end." Well, it seems like they just pulled that one out of their ass. I googled the quote and it's nowhere on the net. Bravo, if the rest of the site's content is this good, I can sleep well at night.

[SpiralHawk]

12. "Bring 'em on"

If it's LIES vs TRUTH, then I'm bettin my doughnut on truth.

Move On, now, there's lots of slime to uncover yet.

[GOPFighter]

15. Lots of huffin' and puffin' at citizenoutreach.com!

"They huff and they puff and they blow around a lot of hot air, but there's no there there. These guys are nothing but the next generation of bleeding-heart McGovern liberals."

(and this ISN'T huffin' and puffin'?)

So, let's see just where MoveOn.org and citizenoutreach.com are a year from now! :P

[Wwagsthedog]

19. Survey

Get a load of their survey. Deep, very deep thinking:thumbsdown:

[Mel]

20. I saw that

survey and gotta say the site is boring!

[Rich Hunt]

88. no opportunities to "de-freep" it

...and divorce wins the survey!

Which proves that they're woman-haters as well as everything else, because the anti-divorce crowd just doesn't want to give women the option of leaving an unhappy or unsafe marriage.

[GregW]

21. Well ... they say imiatation is the sincerest form of flattery!

What's refreshing is that moveon.org is making a difference, otherwise these peons would still be listening to Rush and surfing the web looking for free porn sites.

[farmbo]

22. Hey MoveOn...just for jollies, run an appropriate response...

and post it here on DU!!!

:smoke:

[bspence]

83. Don't give in to them

Seriously, their web site is just another collection of immature rantings from the right. Giving them attention will only make them stronger.

[ibegurpard]

23. LOL

Chuck Muth...I know it's pretty shallow but that name just strikes me as hilarious.

[oasis]

31. Laugh at his name if you want, he's still a baaaad Mutha Chucka

:silly:

[ibegurpard]

33. ROFLMAO!

:toast:

[Buns_of_Fire]

91. Be thankful his parents didn't name him "Chris"

!

[jamesinca]

25. Let me ask you a question Mr. Muth

As the right wing claims it is about "regeime change" and "intent of weapons programs" these days. If the regeime change has happened, then why are will still in Iraq looking for Hussein? Mr Muth don't tell me about blowing a lot of hot air around.

[Bozola]

26. Warning! Not a pretty sight!

Ugh!! Dumb-ass freeper (excuser me for being redundant).


http://yc2.net/muth.htm




Charles Muth
October 9, 2001
Charles Muth is National Chairman of the Republican Liberty Caucus


Now that we have a President who doesn't just feel our pain but is inflicting some of our own on our enemies, it's time for the rest of the nation to get serious, as well. We can start with a national change of attitude: from understandable grief to controlled anger and from victim to victor.

That means maybe its time to replace all our pretty ribbons with "Don't Tread On Me" patches. Or shelving "I'm Proud to Be an American" and dusting off "From the Halls of Montezuma."

But if we're REALLY serious about putting an end to the terrorist threat, we need to take some concrete steps to show we're not just fooling around this time, such as:

* Unshackle Israel. For crying out loud, when it comes to terrorism, these guys play hardball, not tiddly-winks. It's time we stopped telling them to turn the other cheek. Who let the dogs out?!!

* Repeal the executive order banning the assassination of bad guys. Lifting the ban doesn't mean unleashing CIA death squads all over the world. But symbolism IS important. And symbolically, repealing this outdated executive order would have the same chilling effect as dumping a dead horse' s head in bin Laden's cot in the middle of the night.

* "Re-masculinize" the U.S. military. Tell the feminists to take a hike. Literally. If they can hack it, fine. But if they can't cut the mustard and meet the toughest of military performance standards . . . adios. The old saying is, "Don't send a boy to do a man's job." Ditto girls.

* Develop and deploy a national missile defense shield. It doesn't matter that the terrorists DIDN'T use missiles. The fact is, they COULD have. And the death toll and damage would have been FAR worse.

* Cancel the abandonment of the Navy bombing range on the island of Vieques. Our country's preparedness and national defense MUST take priority over sucking-up to gain favor from a political voting bloc.

* Arm pilots. Many are ex-military and trained to use weapons anyway. Flight attendants, too. And if we're REALLY serious, allow all qualified passengers - at the very least cops, military personnel and other law enforcement officers - to pack heat, as well (they can be given airplane-safe bullets upon check-in). Not knowing if the nun in Row 7-C has a Colt .45 or a Bible under her habit will give would-be terrorists something else to think about.

* Pass national conceal-carry legislation. It's no accident that most of our recent horrific mass murders have occurred in gun-free zones: churches, schools and airplanes.

* Repeal the ban on assault weapons. I recall former presidential candidate Elizabeth Dole questioning why anyone would need an AK-47. Well, who wants to confront an AK-47-toting maniac picking off kids in a playground, or senior citizens in a shopping mall, with a pea-shooter?

Ah, but that's a ridiculous scenario, Chuckster, the gun "safety" enthusiasts would say. Why, the odds of something like that happening in the U.S. are about as high as a band of terrorists hijacking four commercial airliners and flying them into the Pentagon and World Trade Center towers. Exactly.

* Publicly ridicule the dumbass ideas and policies of the left which helped contribute to the environment which allowed the 911 attacks in the first place. I checked, by the way, and there's NO constitutional right not to be made fun of. Nor is there a prohibition against calling a spade a spade. So we're on solid ground here.

Particular scorn needs to be heaped on Rep. Barbara Lee (the ONLY vote in Congress AGAINST the war of terrorism following 911), Jane Fonda and other self-righteous, lame-brain "peaceniks."

* Cut off any and all federal funds to the People's Republic of Berkeley, California . . . the breeding ground for anti-war crackpots and other misfits . . . and a city which actually banned fire trucks from flying the American flag lest it insult and rile up the protestors.

* Tell radical environmentalists to stick it in their ear or other appropriate orifice. Once and for all, this country needs to wean itself from Middle East oil. Start by immediately opening up ANWR for exploration. Then begin building new nuclear power plants like there's no tomorrow because . . . well, there isn't.

* Start killing off or phasing out all non-constitutional government programs such as midnight basketball, AmeriCorps and the National Endowment for the Arts. Every dime spent on liberal, feel-good programs is a dime that won't go toward eradicating the scurvy dogs who made no distinction between military and civilian targets on 911.

* Allow - no, ENCOURAGE - appropriate profiling. If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, there's a darn good chance it's a duck. Sorry, but until little old ladies in blue hair and pearls start blowing up Pizza Huts with car bombs, they shouldn't be subjected to the same scrutiny as Omar the exchange student from Iran who just signed up for flying lessons.

* And finally, scrap all this self-esteem crap in our government schools and replace it with serious instruction on the nation's founding documents and revolutionary history. Too many Americans no longer appreciate the meaning of freedom and liberty. It's time to get serious about those concepts again, as well.

[5thGenDemocrat]

30. Well, okay then

I'm not going to lose much sleep over someone who'd wear a tie like that. The guy makes too much money to be shopping in the men's department of Value Village.
John
He may be Chuck Muth, but that tie's Chuck Biscuits.

[Bozola]

44. Haha! Chuck Biscuits!

I love it.

[indictrichardperle]

40. Larry Linville CLONE

Frank Burns was a FREEPER :evilgrin:

[mitchum]

42. So THAT'S WHO masturbates to Ann Coulter....

that photo answered a long standing question

[Bozola]

45. thanks...now I'm going to have to clean the tea

off my monitor....

HAHAHA!

[RFKHumphreyObama]

64. Ha! Ha! Ha!

< Unshackle Israel. For crying out loud, when it comes to terrorism, these guys play hardball, not tiddly-winks. It's time we stopped telling them to turn the other cheek. Who let the dogs out?!! ?

Umm….we haven’t been asking them to turn the other cheek. In fact it was only recently that the Bush Administration developed any policy on Israel whatsoever and stopped flip flopping and issuing contradictory statements on the Mid-East peace process. And furthermore it still seems not to have a coherent policy.


< "Re-masculinize" the U.S. military. Tell the feminists to take a hike. Literally. If they can hack it, fine. But if they can't cut the mustard and meet the toughest of military performance standards . . . adios. The old saying is, "Don't send a boy to do a man's job." Ditto girls>

Oh, yes, go for it Chuck. The Republican Party is the model of compassionate conservatism and equality and the provision above certainly proves its commitment to those principles. And it is wonderful that women are so committed to joining the army and in serving in armed combat with dignity and valor –it’s a pity your chickenhawk superiors didn’t feel the same way about their duty to the nation during the 1960s and 1970s. Weren’t they able to “cut the mustard and meet the toughest of military performance standards”. Speaking of which, do you have a record of military service Chuck? If not, why not?

.

* Publicly ridicule the dumbass ideas and policies of the left which helped contribute to the environment which allowed the 911 attacks in the first place.

Yep, the damn old Left. I mean of course of was the Left and the Klintoon Administration that provided funding and resources to terrorists in Iran, Afghanistan, Libya, Nicaragua and goodness knows where else during the 1980s. And of course it was the Left who courted Saddam Hussein and turned a blind eye to his human rights abuses during the 1980s. And of course it was the Left that blocked all the anti-terrorism measures that Clinton proposed during the 1990s that could have been effective on 9/11. And finally it was the Left that ignored all the security and terrorism warnings throughout the nine months of 9/11. Oh, what was that? The Left wasn’t in power during the 1980s and throughout the nine months preceding up to 9/11 and it was the Republicans who blocked Clinton’s anti-terrorism legislation? Oh well, never mind. Don’t let fact stand in the way of a good distortion of the truth. After all your superiors did it with the WMD in Iraq so you can do it again here, right Chuck?


I checked, by the way, and there's NO constitutional right not to be made fun of. Nor is there a prohibition against calling a spade a spade. So we're on solid ground here.

So why is your friend in the White House threatening to take legal action against sites making fun of Lynne Cheney? I thought you said that there was NO constitutional right not to be made fun of. And that there was no “prohibition against calling a spade a spade”. Or is that yet another example of the Right’s selective democracy?

< Allow - no, ENCOURAGE - appropriate profiling. If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, there's a darn good chance it's a duck. Sorry, but until little old ladies in blue hair and pearls start blowing up Pizza Huts with car bombs, they shouldn't be subjected to the same scrutiny as Omar the exchange student from Iran who just signed up for flying lessons>

I agree with the above statement. I’m sure Chucka Muth will not object to being subjected to profiling to eliminate the possibility that he is a white right wing nutcase such as Timothy McVeigh or the guys who savagely tortured and dragged James Byrd to his death. This could be very agreeable

<And finally, scrap all this self-esteem crap in our government schools and replace it with serious instruction on the nation's founding documents and revolutionary history>

Couldn’t agree more. Perhaps we should send all the wingnuts back to school so they actually learn value and respect for the US Constitution so that they develop an appreciation for the principles of freedom, liberty and democracy and do not keep trying to erode it.

<Too many Americans no longer appreciate the meaning of freedom and liberty. It's time to get serious about those concepts again, as well.>

Well, if your Administration ceased placing limits and restrictions on freedom and liberty, I’m sure Americans would develop a greater understanding and appreciation of what they meant. Perhaps this complaint should be directed to your superiors Chuck

[gulliver]

27. Their IQ reserves are already stretched thin...

...over there in Freeper-town. They can only say "blame-America-firsters" and "peaceniks" so many times. It's already kind of old.

[NJCher]

28. unserious is not a word

Funny site and they even make up their own words: unserious for example.

Also noticed he used "darn good" as in "darn good intelligence."

I hate to be the one to break the news to you Chuckie boy but you are in no way, shape or form capable of pulling off anything near what MoveOn has done. You would need some "darn good intelligence" to do that.


Cher

[WonderTwins]

29. Chuck Muth

www.chuckmuth.com

"CONSERVATIVES ARE FROM MARS

LIBERALS ARE FROM URANUS!"



ORDER the HOTTEST bumper sticker in the country today!



Bleh. I think in the war of wits, the Right is waving its white flag pretty vigorously.

[catzies]

84. In the war of wits they are obviously unarmed.

n/t

[Skittles]

32. well from the description provided by the prez

I see it'll just be more rightwing propaganda garbage.

[Gopens]

35. OK, I read good old Chuck's "Mein Kampf."

And he thinks WE'RE kooks and flakes??????????

[Cronus Protagonist]

36. Looks like they launched way prematurely

I "donated" a few bucks with a fake credit card number just to see how it works. I expected my "donation" to be rejected. Instead, it was accepted, was sent over non-secure connection and the result page leaves you in limbo with none of the menu items working any more.

Pretty bad job for people with millions of dollars behind them, I munst say.


Click Here For Hard Hitting Buttons — Visit The Cronus Connection

[Guaranteed]

48. Whoopsie! That's a big problem! They could be liable for that.

[PapaClay]

38. As I suspected...

his bio makes no mention of military service. What a surprise; another another flag-wavin' shit-talkin' war-pimpin' chicken hawk lettin' his alligator mouth overide his jaybird ass. Pfah!

[GreatCaesarsGhost]

39. knee-jerk peaceniks

groovy

[are_we_united_yet]

46. Chuck...

Have you realized you've said nothing of substance in your little conservative rant? (Answer no).

Do you always couch important political issues as though it were a football game? (Answer most of the times).

Chuck, you're an idiot!

[Guaranteed]

47. Third time's a charm....;) n/t

[freeforall]

50. Gotta Love the Free Advertising for DU!

"The wingnuts over at the Democratic Underground had a cow over the launch of our new Citizen Outreach website (www.citizenoutreach.com). Check out their rantings by going HERE."

Very intelligent discourse!

(sarcasm off)

[sham]

51. Where is Frodo when you need him?

Gollum lives!

[Chovexani]

57. Hey watch it

Gollum could sue you for associating him with that creep. :evilgrin:

[kainah]

52. "no there there" but they still feel a need to counter it!

It feels very good to see that they believe they need to try and counter MoveOn.

[BehindTheCurtain]

53. Nice Site...

Note in the contact info...the address is a post office box in DC..and the phone number goes to Maryland.

So did this guy just dream this up one night? Millions weren't spent on this group. This is just another example of a deluded fool getting a domain name, and easy site builder.

:argh:

[truthisfreedom]

54. HAH! they're afraid to mention what MOVEON.ORG has done successfully...

and they wouldn't even want to try to beat them at their own game if MOVEON.ORG wasn't successful at it... and that is bringing together the DEMOCRATIC grassroots citizens of the US... the REAL majority, and raising money like crazy for DEMOCRATIC candidates... helping a candidate like DEAN to make more money in a day than CHENEY could at a $2000/plate dinner! these clowns are whistling in the dark. they have NO idea what makes it tick, and their site will be a neurotic flop.

[bluestateguy]

56. The new website:

Because conservative white people need representation too.

[nolabels]

61. wouldn't that be CHEAP LABOR CONSERVATIVES

:toast:

on edit the :toast: got toasted with the cap locks :silly:

[loudsue]

74. Does anyone have the "Cheap Labor Conservatives" site link?

Man! That was a powerful read, but I had to run and didn't bookmark it!! (Whaaaa!)

Every DUer should read that site & spread the word!!

Sue



:kick::kick::kick:

[mac56]

76. right here

http://www.conceptualguerilla.com/

[RapidCreek]

60. golly gee if we're so inconsequential why are they making a site?

RC

[Submariner]

62. The Citizen Outreach Brownshirts

are the same chickenhawk ilk that talk the talk, but don't walk the walk. Typical right-wing sheeple.

[truthisfreedom]

63. Conservative Group Launches New Website to Shoot Self in Foot (n/m)

[RFKHumphreyObama]

66. Ummm....

<Muth also discounted MoveOn's claims of effective political action. "They lost in their effort to stop the impeachment and they lost their effort to stop the U.S. from removing Saddam Hussein,">

Let's deal with the Saddam issue first. Considering that the chickenhawks in the Administration wouldn't even listen to key advisers in the Pentagon or the wider military -never mind the opinions of diplomats and even members of the first Bush Administration- it's probably not surprising that MoveOn failed in it's bid to stop the second Gulf War. And now the chickenhawks are facing the consequences

And, as for the impeachment, was Clinton actually REMOVED from office? No? Well I wouldn't exactly call that a failure then.

[MRDU]

67. Wacko Central is attacking DU!

Wacko Central

The wingnuts over at the Democratic Underground had a cow over the launch of our new Citizen Outreach website (www.citizenoutreach.com). Check out their rantings by going HERE.

Gotta love all the Kucinich pix on the posts. Gives you an idea of the Einsteins we’re dealing with here.

But my favorite post - at least of those that are reprintable here - comes from "5thGenDemocrat"…

"I'm not going to lose much sleep over someone who'd wear a tie like that. The guy makes too much money to be shopping in the men's department of Value Village. He may be Chuck Muth, but that tie's Chuck Biscuits."

Hey. My wife bought me that tie!

[5thGenDemocrat]

92. Well, thank you very much, Chuck

I'll be here all week. Don't forget to tip your waitress -- oh, that's right, you cheap-labor conservatives don't tip.
John
Your wife, BTW, seems to have about the same taste in men as she does in haberdashery. A lovely woman, I am sure, nevertheless.

[LeftHander]

69. Web Ite not responding BWAHAHAHAHAHA!

Typical

[prolesunited]

72. I "love" his statements on guns

* Arm pilots. Many are ex-military and trained to use weapons anyway. Flight attendants, too. And if we're REALLY serious, allow all qualified passengers - at the very least cops, military personnel and other law enforcement officers - to pack heat, as well (they can be given airplane-safe bullets upon check-in). Not knowing if the nun in Row 7-C has a Colt .45 or a Bible under her habit will give would-be terrorists something else to think about.

* Pass national conceal-carry legislation. It's no accident that most of our recent horrific mass murders have occurred in gun-free zones: churches, schools and airplanes.

* Repeal the ban on assault weapons. I recall former presidential candidate Elizabeth Dole questioning why anyone would need an AK-47. Well, who wants to confront an AK-47-toting maniac picking off kids in a playground, or senior citizens in a shopping mall, with a pea-shooter?


I think his idea is to arm the entire populace and let them shoot it out. If that many people on planes had guns, I wouldn't fly. There is an increasing number of road rage cases and vigilante justice (i.e. people getting beating following traffic crashes). People beaten with fists are more likely to recover than shot with bullets. And if that's not enough, I think we should arm them with more powerful guns.

Somehow I can imagine him having fantasies about using an AK-47 to gun down those awful liberals at a peace vigil.

[JCMach1]

77. You can't build an organization top/down

This won't last long...

[Gman]

78. They have a link back to this thread! Congrats 5thGenDemocrat

they quoted your post:

"But my favorite post - at least of those that are reprintable here - comes from "5thGenDemocrat"…

"I'm not going to lose much sleep over someone who'd wear a tie like that. The guy makes too much money to be shopping in the men's department of Value Village. He may be Chuck Muth, but that tie's Chuck Biscuits."

Hey. My wife bought me that tie!"

[5thGenDemocrat]

93. "My wife bought me that tie!"

Jeebus on a pogo stick -- can you imagine the one he'd been wearing that forced the poor woman to head over to Value Village?
John
I know -- big talk from a guy sitting here wearing his "Eugene V Debs Memorial Kazoo Night" tee shirt.

[bspence]

80. Don't give them attention

Just ignore them, they'll go away faster. This guy sounds like a major troll. Especially to be lurking around our boards.

[davidinalameda]

81. Moveon lost in its fight to stop the impeachment

but Clinton remained in office!

and more people are questioning what we're doing in Iraq.

Sounds like Moveon is doing okay.

[none]

85. none

contrary to the name as i cruised through the website i have yet found anything that is remotely about empowering the public. it seems to me nothing more than an attempt at masking a political agenda than empowering people. Not that du doesnt do any of these things. But du does more with the forums by brining people of different or similar political idealogies together for activism. i see nothing of this sort in this website. perhaps i did not look far enough. But this website seems to be an extension of the gop more than anything else. whereas du is about grassroot movements. even the name citizen outreach makes me wary....

[BushNixon04]

89. the funniest thing at this idiotic site

is in the blurb about DU, when they call people here who support Kucinich "no Einsteins"....what these feebs obviously do not know is that Einstein was a radical pacifist-socialist!

They claim to be like Move-On.org, but Move On is much more intelligent, intellectual and groudned that these reactionary morons. Right off the bat they start behaving like Freepers. Guess that is all they are capable of understanding.

[LuminousX]

97. If it walks like a duck...

It's obvious this guy is just a Freeper who wants to be important. So he took good money and has frittered it away in an attempt to buy fame. All I can say to him is "Well, buddy, here is your 15 minutes, you better put on a good show because I'm already bored."

[LuminousX]

94. It's a Freeper

who wants to get a piece of the money action that Jim Rob Rim Job whateverhisname gets bilking those thousands of dollars from little old ladies to 'run his site'.

[unluckythirteen]

95. this is a lot of fuss over a site that...

looks like it was designed by an 8-year-old.

[LuminousX]

96. Holy Bad HTML Hannah

Click on the graphic links and you can see who ever crafted this site didn't know what he/she/it was doing.

And let's see what editor this wannabe used - surprise surprise <meta name="GENERATOR" content="Microsoft FrontPage 5.0">

The guy is just using http://www.campaignsitebuilder.com/newcsb/index.asp to do his layout, setting up template pages and the like. Somebody must have gotten their tax rebate check and not known how to spend it and went on a wild domain buying spree. I know I've done it, that is how I ended up with patriot-usa.com, damn alcohol.

Well, I'm a bit wrong on that as the citizenoutreach.com domain was purchased in February.

[KamaAina]

99. Huh? DU isn't part of the online left?

Or Buzzflash? Or Bartcop? Or MWO? Or democrats.com? Just MoveOn?

Typical Cheap Labor Conservative one-track mentality.