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Newsjock (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-07-09 11:18 PM Original message |
North Korea sentences 2 US journalists to 12 years jail |
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villager (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-07-09 11:23 PM Response to Original message |
1. shitty, shitty news... |
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Wizard777 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-08-09 06:07 AM Response to Reply #1 |
28. Laura Ling is the sister of Lisa Ling from The View and Oprah. |
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Beaverhausen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-07-09 11:30 PM Response to Original message |
2. This is f'ed up |
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Drunken Irishman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-07-09 11:32 PM Response to Original message |
3. Bomb 'em. |
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onehandle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-08-09 06:08 AM Response to Reply #3 |
29. I'm with you. |
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Feron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-07-09 11:32 PM Response to Original message |
4. I hope they are rescued soon. |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-07-09 11:37 PM Response to Original message |
5. Odds are, they'll be out in a few I predict |
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Adsos Letter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-07-09 11:50 PM Response to Reply #5 |
12. They will certainly try, no doubt. |
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napi21 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-07-09 11:39 PM Response to Original message |
6. NK did this to gain a big bargaining chip in their favor. I'm not sure |
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Zavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-07-09 11:48 PM Response to Reply #6 |
9. My insticnts say this isn't a bargaining chip at all. |
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Suji to Seoul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-07-09 11:44 PM Response to Original message |
7. Flawed evidence, no real crime |
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sharesunited (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-07-09 11:46 PM Response to Original message |
8. The totalitarians sure have been unkind to women lately. |
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Zavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-07-09 11:49 PM Response to Original message |
10. I'm sure it was a fair trial, though. |
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Seen the light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-07-09 11:49 PM Response to Original message |
11. Those fucking bastards nt |
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Seen the light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-07-09 11:52 PM Response to Original message |
13. I wonder what the White House response will be |
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jehovas_waitress (86 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-08-09 12:30 AM Response to Reply #13 |
19. Kim wants a seat at the adults' table. Desperate for attention. And ruthless. |
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psychopomp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-09-09 08:45 AM Response to Reply #13 |
104. I think the alleged Israeli designs on bombing Iran were the first |
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IrishBuckeye (336 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-08-09 12:13 AM Response to Original message |
14. Does the U.S. have enough conventional weapons to drop on them to stop/ severely limit a response? |
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Mojo_electro (120 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-08-09 12:18 AM Response to Reply #14 |
17. I think they could light up Seoul either way... |
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Suich (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-08-09 12:14 AM Response to Original message |
15. Oh, shit! |
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Abq_Sarah (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-08-09 12:51 AM Response to Reply #15 |
20. They each received 12 years |
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Suich (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-08-09 01:37 AM Response to Reply #20 |
24. Yeah, I know, but on Larry King, they were expecting |
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Posteritatis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-08-09 01:39 PM Response to Reply #20 |
76. Both of which may as well be death sentences there (nt) |
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Mojo_electro (120 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-08-09 12:16 AM Response to Original message |
16. I can't even imagine.... |
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jehovas_waitress (86 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-08-09 12:25 AM Response to Original message |
18. Good news/Bad news From the Washington Post story: |
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fujiyama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-08-09 01:12 AM Response to Reply #18 |
21. Let's hope Yu-Hwan is correct about this |
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riverdeep (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-08-09 01:13 AM Response to Original message |
22. Kim Jung Il isn't just some funny cartoon character. |
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riverdeep (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-08-09 08:59 PM Response to Reply #22 |
97. Whoops, I thought it was Lisa Ling. It's her sister. |
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Beacool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-08-09 01:26 AM Response to Original message |
23. Terrible news!!! |
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iamthebandfanman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-08-09 02:13 AM Response to Original message |
25. theyll be let out early |
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annabanana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-08-09 04:55 AM Response to Reply #25 |
27. I hope you're right. I see precious little evidence of sanity out of |
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AsahinaKimi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-08-09 02:17 AM Response to Original message |
26. This is so sad |
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christx30 (774 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-08-09 10:34 AM Response to Reply #26 |
46. If they go in there |
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Baclava (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-08-09 01:50 PM Response to Reply #26 |
81. 12 years in a N. Korea labor camp = death sentence. |
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Old Hob (296 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-08-09 06:21 AM Response to Original message |
30. Taking his new A-bombs out for a spin I see. How predictable. |
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KansDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-08-09 09:03 AM Response to Original message |
31. Hold, on, folks. Just hold on! We're not the "morally superior" nation we once were... |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-08-09 09:28 AM Response to Reply #31 |
33. Deleted message |
KansDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-08-09 09:39 AM Response to Reply #33 |
36. My, my, how the truth hurts...(nt) |
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RufusTFirefly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-08-09 11:50 AM Response to Reply #33 |
56. Cognitive dissonance is a powerful thing. n/t |
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WriteDown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-08-09 09:29 AM Response to Reply #31 |
34. Uh... |
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AlphaCentauri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-08-09 11:38 AM Response to Reply #34 |
55. in the Hollywood movies |
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Akoto (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-08-09 09:32 AM Response to Reply #31 |
35. Oh, bullshit! |
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KansDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-08-09 09:40 AM Response to Reply #35 |
38. Well, at least they got a trial, even if it was a "showcase." |
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glitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-08-09 10:26 AM Response to Reply #38 |
43. Excellent point. nt |
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Posteritatis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-08-09 01:40 PM Response to Reply #38 |
77. They might as well have been (nt) |
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Akoto (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-08-09 04:42 PM Response to Reply #77 |
88. Exactly. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-09-09 08:36 AM Response to Reply #38 |
103. The Reuters photographer we're holding in Iraq hasn't gotten a trial. |
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Old Hob (296 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-08-09 09:41 AM Response to Reply #31 |
39. we didn't come up with flying commercial jet airliners into world trade centers |
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KansDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-08-09 09:48 AM Response to Reply #39 |
40. That's true. That's a gig for the Saudis, the Bush Family friends and business partners... |
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Old Hob (296 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-08-09 10:28 AM Response to Reply #40 |
45. are we back to the MIHOP theory now? I thought Obama made it clear that Al Queda attacked us? |
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KansDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-08-09 10:42 AM Response to Reply #45 |
48. About Jimmy Carter |
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Old Hob (296 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-08-09 02:11 PM Response to Reply #48 |
82. Iran received TOW missiles and HAWK missiles, not stingers. |
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w4rma (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-08-09 04:00 PM Response to Reply #82 |
87. Of course you are. (nt) |
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freedomnorth (237 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-08-09 11:20 AM Response to Reply #39 |
51. Nor did North Korea. Those are terraists you are looking for. n/t. |
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nichomachus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-08-09 11:26 AM Response to Reply #39 |
53. No - we had our own planes to commit "Shock and Awe" |
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RufusTFirefly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-08-09 11:59 AM Response to Reply #53 |
61. Wrong! When it has a slogan, it's an initiative, not an atrocity |
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nichomachus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-08-09 12:11 PM Response to Reply #61 |
65. I hear that |
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JuliantheApostate (32 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-08-09 10:03 AM Response to Reply #31 |
41. Give me a break... |
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KansDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-08-09 10:18 AM Response to Reply #41 |
42. Does the phrase "lead by example" mean anything to you? |
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JuliantheApostate (32 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-08-09 11:06 AM Response to Reply #42 |
50. Leading by example means quite a bit to me... |
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KansDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-08-09 11:56 AM Response to Reply #50 |
58. Where do I start? |
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JuliantheApostate (32 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-08-09 12:31 PM Response to Reply #58 |
66. Why don't you actually address this situation instead of whining |
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KansDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-08-09 12:46 PM Response to Reply #66 |
69. Whining? |
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JuliantheApostate (32 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-08-09 01:31 PM Response to Reply #69 |
75. Yes, whining |
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KansDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-08-09 01:44 PM Response to Reply #75 |
80. Read my original post again, please... |
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JuliantheApostate (32 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-08-09 02:19 PM Response to Reply #80 |
84. Did you read a thing I said? |
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KansDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-08-09 02:48 PM Response to Reply #84 |
85. Well, no I didn't read what you said, but I read what you wrote... |
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JuliantheApostate (32 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-08-09 03:33 PM Response to Reply #85 |
86. Well then... |
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KansDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-08-09 04:44 PM Response to Reply #86 |
89. You're welcome... |
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JuliantheApostate (32 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-09-09 08:28 AM Response to Reply #89 |
102. Well I can get behind that... |
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Psephos (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-08-09 11:57 AM Response to Reply #42 |
59. Yes, it does. Your example is an embarrassment to the principles of liberalism. eom |
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KansDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-08-09 12:03 PM Response to Reply #59 |
63. Please , do tell... |
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JonQ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-08-09 10:50 AM Response to Reply #31 |
49. I'm sure their trials are just as fair, unbiased and legitimate |
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KansDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-08-09 11:59 AM Response to Reply #49 |
60. Does the "Election of 2000" ring a bell? |
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JonQ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-08-09 12:32 PM Response to Reply #60 |
67. Don't even try to draw that comparison |
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KansDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-08-09 12:49 PM Response to Reply #67 |
70. Not as ridiculous as a US Supreme Court deciding for their guy... |
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JonQ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-08-09 01:40 PM Response to Reply #70 |
78. My bad |
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DrCory (862 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-08-09 05:57 PM Response to Reply #31 |
95. Wrong Is Wrong... |
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Thothmes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-08-09 06:13 PM Response to Reply #31 |
96. Dont forget that we threw 120,000 American citizens |
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Psephos (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-10-09 12:47 AM Response to Reply #96 |
106. Don't forget, we also gave each of the surviving internees $20,000 |
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junior college (290 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-08-09 09:16 AM Response to Original message |
32. Why did they go there in the first place? |
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Akoto (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-08-09 09:40 AM Response to Reply #32 |
37. Whether they actually did or not isn't known. |
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AlphaCentauri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-08-09 10:36 AM Response to Reply #37 |
47. North Korea accuses them of violating the border, NK should come with a better excuse |
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Dukkha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-08-09 10:26 AM Response to Original message |
44. it's too bad N Korea has no oil |
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ecstatic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-08-09 11:25 AM Response to Original message |
52. Has Al Gore commented yet? |
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Zodiak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-08-09 11:31 AM Response to Original message |
54. There is a >50% mortality rate for their prisoners |
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Kickin_Donkey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-08-09 11:51 AM Response to Original message |
57. What a bunch of alarmists ... |
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Zodiak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-08-09 12:04 PM Response to Reply #57 |
64. Got proof? Making assumptions? |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-08-09 12:02 PM Response to Original message |
62. If two North Koreans had illegally entered the U.S. with subversive intent... |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-08-09 12:38 PM Response to Reply #62 |
68. The maximum penalty for a first offense is six months but the law is rarely enforced |
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AlphaCentauri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-08-09 01:11 PM Response to Reply #68 |
71. Key word "subversive intent.." |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-08-09 01:13 PM Response to Reply #71 |
72. Does an unspecified "grave crime" necessarily have anything to do with subversive intent? |
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AlphaCentauri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-08-09 01:25 PM Response to Reply #72 |
74. we may have to ask HiFructosePronSyrup |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-08-09 11:04 PM Response to Reply #74 |
98. Misplaced reply, please disregard |
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JonQ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-08-09 01:42 PM Response to Reply #62 |
79. I doubt it would have included forced labor |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-08-09 02:14 PM Response to Reply #79 |
83. A traditional "bridge swap" would be the way to retrieve accused spies |
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Candy Randy (28 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-08-09 01:18 PM Response to Original message |
73. Obamas Cuban missle crisis? |
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ohio2007 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-08-09 04:51 PM Response to Reply #73 |
90. Those women won't last five months in a Nork "HARD" labor camp. |
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New Dawn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-08-09 04:52 PM Response to Original message |
91. 12 years is a pretty light punishment for being found guilty of espionage. |
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ohio2007 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-08-09 04:56 PM Response to Reply #91 |
92. Could it be Kim is setting up his son with a couple of pawns? |
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Regret My New Name (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-08-09 05:01 PM Response to Reply #92 |
93. Laura Ling was going to assassinate the dear leader... |
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ohio2007 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-08-09 05:05 PM Response to Reply #93 |
94. Didn't she work for Al Gore ? |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-09-09 08:21 AM Response to Reply #92 |
100. Given that he already has a "joy brigade" of women, it wouldn't surprise me |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-08-09 11:06 PM Response to Reply #91 |
99. What source says these individuals were ever charged with espionage? |
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JuliantheApostate (32 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-09-09 08:24 AM Response to Reply #91 |
101. 12 years in a Nork forced labor camp is a death penalty. |
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JonQ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-09-09 10:26 AM Response to Reply #91 |
105. We rarely execute spies anymore |
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