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Purveyor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-09-09 02:24 PM
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Likud Minister Proposes Israeli Sanctions In US
Source: Jerusalem Post

In a sign of growing concern in Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu's government over US President Barack Obama's Middle East policies, Minister-without-Portfolio Yossi Peled proposed Israeli sanctions on the US in a letter to cabinet ministers on Sunday.

In the 11-page letter, obtained by The Jerusalem Post from a minister on Monday, Peled recommends steps Israel can take to compensate for the shift in American policy, which he believes has become hostile to Israel.

"Obama's ascendance represents a turning point in America's approach to the region, especially to Israel," he wrote in the letter. "The new administration believes that in order to fight terror, guarantee stability and withdraw from Iraq, a new diplomatic slant is needed involving drastic steps to pacify the Muslim world and the adoption of a more balanced approach to Israel, including intensive pressure to stop building in settlements, remove outposts and advance the formation of a Palestinian state."

Peled added that faced with an American government with an activist agenda that does not mesh with Israel's, traditional reactions are no longer relevant. He said he expected that Obama would eventually realize that appeasement and dialogue with countries that support terror would not have positive results.

But in the interim, the minister suggests reconsidering military and civilian purchases from the US, selling sensitive equipment that the Washington opposes distributing internationally, and allowing other countries that compete with the US to get involved with the peace process and be given a foothold for their military forces and intelligence agencies.

Read more: http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1244371046569&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull
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Sebastian Doyle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-09-09 02:26 PM
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1. My response to this Likud piece of shit
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Doctor Cynic Donating Member (965 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-09-09 02:28 PM
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2. So will they refuse to take the billions in free money they get each year?
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Tempest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-10-09 11:30 AM
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33. Israel has the 8th largest arms market in the world

We could decimate it by undercutting them on the market and leave them with nothing.

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Hell Hath No Fury Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-09-09 02:28 PM
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3. I don't think they really want....
to play that game with us.
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-09-09 02:29 PM
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4. oh crap, Israel had its way for so many years, now they are bitching
and moaning. Narrow minded people.
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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-09-09 02:33 PM
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5. Okey-doke, Israel ...
We stop sending you a dime, and you impose whatever sanctions you deem appropriate.
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jamieque Donating Member (101 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-09-09 03:32 PM
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15. Yeah...
And I bet you if we did that, NanceGreggs, they would be wiped out within a year by everyone around them who wants them gone.

The simple truth Israel is doomed without our money and our help. What the hell is wrong with the idiots in power over there. Have the lost their damn minds...?

Uh... never mind I guess the fact that they are even bringing up this stupid BS answers that question perfectly well. So, yep, I agree with you, NanceGreggs. They want to be stupid then let them be. I am sure we could find other uses for all the money we send them every year.

Like balancing our budget and paying our workers more money. Yeah, that would be awesome.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-09-09 10:39 PM
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30. They are a bunch of religious fanatics--as blind in their faith as the Taleban is in theirs
Beware of anyone that claims they are on a mission from GAWD.
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DeSwiss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-09-09 10:44 PM
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31. Unfortunately....
...they are not alone in whom they affect.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uxt9HwfPwPo

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madaboutharry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-09-09 02:33 PM
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6. The Likud party is completely over the cliff.
They have lost their minds.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-09-09 10:11 PM
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27. Likud got too crazy for Ariel Sharon, which is why he founded the Kadima Party
Anyone too crazy for Sharon is too insane for the rest of the world.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-09-09 02:37 PM
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7. Fuck this asshole and the rest of the likudniks
more from the article:

In what may be his most controversial suggestion, Peled recommends intervening in American congressional races to weaken Obama and asking American Jewish donors not to contribute to Democratic congressional candidates. He predicted that this would result in Democratic candidates pressuring Obama to become more pro-Israel.

Peled called for the formation of a new body intended to influence American public opinion. The groups he suggests courting include Hispanic Americans and Labor unions in industries that benefit from Israeli military acquisitions.

A former OC Northern Command, Peled is considered part of the left flank of the Likud that includes ministers Dan Meridor and Michael Eitan. Unlike Environment Minister Gilad Erdan, he does not have a history of openly criticizing American policies and unlike Finance Minister Yuval Steinitz, he does not have personal ties to the Republican Party.

Peled told the Post on Monday that he still hoped common ground could be found with the Obama administration, but just in case that did not happen, Israel must be ready.

"We must make every effort to maintain our relationship with the US and I respect Obama, but Israel has its own interests and we have to know what our alternatives are," Peled said. "I don't think what I suggest is vengeful. I just think that even a superpower must behave like a partner."

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jamieque Donating Member (101 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-09-09 03:37 PM
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16. Huh...
What the fuck is this idiot going on about? What 'alternatives' do they think they have. If they rock the boat and piss us off they are history. I doubt they would survive as country without our help. Anyone want to take bets on how long Israel would survive without us helping them. I hope some common sense returns quickly because this bs statement sounds like 'crazy' talk.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-09-09 10:22 PM
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29. Israel has always put her interests ahead of ours. We are the dumb asses that bend over to Israel.
President Obama sees the unresolved I/P conflict as a threat to American security. He is doing the USA and an ungrateful Israel a favour by pushing for peace, and demanding a freeze on the settlements.
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Tempest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-10-09 11:33 AM
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34. American Jews do not support the rightwing parties in Israel

Polls and elections have proven that.
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laststeamtrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-09-09 02:39 PM
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8. Yeah. Let's do some reconsidering. Sounds like a good idea.
I wonder if Israel is reconsidering the 'freebies' as well as what they 'buy' from us.




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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-09-09 02:45 PM
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9. I think cooler heads will prevail
That is really something that they do not want to do.
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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-09-09 02:48 PM
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10. I'm a chicken hawk and you're a chicken, see?
Now, are you going to come along quietly or do I have to muss you up a little?


Msgeek

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Alcibiades Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-09-09 02:59 PM
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11. Israeli sanctions?
Edited on Tue Jun-09-09 02:59 PM by Alcibiades
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

US economy in 2008: $14.29 trillion
Israeli economy in 2008: $200.7 billion

And they get about 2.5 billion a year from us.

So a country that has an economy about 1/70th the size of the US, one heavily dependent on the US for aid, that has no natural resources to speak of, with only seven and a half million people, that also depends on the US for military aid, is going to impose economic sanctions? Go ahead and do it! I'd like to see Labor back in power.
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Lena inRI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-09-09 03:01 PM
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12. Go ahead. . .we double-dare ya. . .
. . ."allowing other countries that compete with the US to get involved with the peace process and be given a foothold for their military forces and intelligence agencies."

Whataya mean, playground brat? China or Russia instead of USA?

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA. . . ."you don't play as I say and I'll take my ball and go play with someone else. YOU'LL BE SORRY!"

Get lost Likud losers. . .Likud SPOILED BRATS!

Only best our spies keep a close watch over their spies so that they don't create a "false flag incident" to fulfill Mr. Peled's foreboding comment,

"Obama would eventually realize that appeasement and dialogue with countries that support terror would not have positive results".

Oh yeah? You so sure of this, Mr. Peled. . .a ha. . .yesiree. . .we'll be watching you and yours CLOSELY!



MR.YOSSI PELED

:smoke: :smoke: :smoke: :smoke: :smoke:
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roberto Donating Member (60 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-09-09 03:05 PM
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13. If they do that, they are finished...
selling sensitive equipment that the Washington opposes distributing internationally, is a war declaration.
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AlexDeLarge Donating Member (141 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-09-09 03:09 PM
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14. Alright, I've been waiting for this.
Time for the US to take pre-emptive action in the wake of this. The US should immediately freeze all aid and contracts with the Yahoo government. If they want a standoff, let's see who can hold out longer. Game On!
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damntexdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-09-09 04:02 PM
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17. I know -- they can refuse to accept the $3 billion the U.S. gives them every year.
After all, if they accepted it, they might turn around and spend it on arms from the U.S. They should show the U.S. who's boss by refusing to take the money. They could even show up Egypt by sayign that the money should be added to what the U.S. gives to Egypt -- wouldn't that be an embarrassment to the Egyptians?

;-)
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azurnoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-09-09 05:22 PM
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18. well if Likud were to do this then Obama has a way out
of Bushes promise $30B over the next 10 years, 75%+ of that money was slated to come back to the US in weapons purchases, that money could help fund single payer health care and if Israel can find better weapons hey its a global economy and I hear China is looking for customers
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Libertas1776 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-09-09 05:31 PM
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19. Biting
the hand that feeds you, eh? These guys are a bunch of regular Einstein's.
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-09-09 05:33 PM
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20. What is the annual aid to Israel? 3 billion or so?
I think he should recommend giving that back before standing on principle to harm us financially. :eyes:
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UpInArms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-09-09 05:35 PM
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21. U.S. Financial Aid To Israel: Figures, Facts, and Impact
http://www.washington-report.org/html/us_aid_to_israel.htm

Summary
Benefits to Israel of U.S. Aid
Since 1949 (As of November 1, 1997)

Foreign Aid Grants and Loans
$74,157,600,000

Other U.S. Aid (12.2% of Foreign Aid)
$9,047,227,200

Interest to Israel from Advanced Payments
$1,650,000,000

Grand Total
$84,854,827,200

Total Benefits per Israeli
$14,630 Cost to U.S. Taxpayers of U.S.
Aid to Israel

Grand Total
$84,854,827,200

Interest Costs Borne by U.S.
$49,936,680,000

Total Cost to U.S. Taxpayers
$134,791,507,200

Total Taxpayer Cost per Israeli
$23,240

Special Reports:

Congress Watch: A Conservative Total for U.S. Aid to Israel: $91 Billion—and Counting

Congressional Research Report on Israel: US Foreign Assistance by Clyde Mark (213K pdf file)

U.S. Aid To Israel: The Strategic Functions

U.S. Aid to Israel: What U.S. Taxpayer Should Know

U.S. Aid to Israel: Interpreting the 'Strategic Relationship'

The Cost of Israel to U.S. Taxpayers: True Lies About U.S. Aid to Israel

THE STRATEGIC FUNCTIONS OF U.S. AID TO ISRAEL

By Stephen Zunes

Dr. Zunes is an assistant professor in the Department of Politics at the University of San Francisco

Since 1992, the U.S. has offered Israel an additional $2 billion annually in loan guarantees. Congressional researchers have disclosed that between 1974 and 1989, $16.4 billion in U.S. military loans were converted to grants and that this was the understanding from the beginning. Indeed, all past U.S. loans to Israel have eventually been forgiven by Congress, which has undoubtedly helped Israel's often-touted claim that they have never defaulted on a U.S. government loan. U.S. policy since 1984 has been that economic assistance to Israel must equal or exceed Israel's annual debt repayment to the United States. Unlike other countries, which receive aid in quarterly installments, aid to Israel since 1982 has been given in a lump sum at the beginning of the fiscal year, leaving the U.S. government to borrow from future revenues. Israel even lends some of this money back through U.S. treasury bills and collects the additional interest.

In addition, there is the more than $1.5 billion in private U.S. funds that go to Israel annually in the form of $1 billion in private tax-deductible donations and $500 million in Israeli bonds. The ability of Americans to make what amounts to tax-deductible contributions to a foreign government, made possible through a number of Jewish charities, does not exist with any other country. Nor do these figures include short- and long-term commercial loans from U.S. banks, which have been as high as $1 billion annually in recent years.

Total U.S. aid to Israel is approximately one-third of the American foreign-aid budget, even though Israel comprises just .001 percent of the world's population and already has one of the world's higher per capita incomes. Indeed, Israel's GNP is higher than the combined GNP of Egypt, Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, the West Bank and Gaza. With a per capita income of about $14,000, Israel ranks as the sixteenth wealthiest country in the world; Israelis enjoy a higher per capita income than oil-rich Saudi Arabia and are only slightly less well-off than most Western European countries.

AID does not term economic aid to Israel as development assistance, but instead uses the term "economic support funding." Given Israel's relative prosperity, U.S. aid to Israel is becoming increasingly controversial. In 1994, Yossi Beilen, deputy foreign minister of Israel and a Knesset member, told the Women's International Zionist organization, "If our economic situation is better than in many of your countries, how can we go on asking for your charity?"
U.S. Aid to Israel: What U.S. Taxpayer Should Know

by Tom Malthaner

This morning as I was walking down Shuhada Street in Hebron, I saw graffiti marking the newly painted storefronts and awnings. Although three months past schedule and 100 percent over budget, the renovation of Shuhada Street was finally completed this week. The project manager said the reason for the delay and cost overruns was the sabotage of the project by the Israeli settlers of the Beit Hadassah settlement complex in Hebron. They broke the street lights, stoned project workers, shot out the windows of bulldozers and other heavy equipment with pellet guns, broke paving stones before they were laid and now have defaced again the homes and shops of Palestinians with graffiti. The settlers did not want Shuhada St. opened to Palestinian traffic as was agreed to under Oslo 2. This renovation project is paid for by USAID funds and it makes me angry that my tax dollars have paid for improvements that have been destroyed by the settlers.

Most Americans are not aware how much of their tax revenue our government sends to Israel. For the fiscal year ending in September 30, 1997, the U.S. has given Israel $6.72 billion: $6.194 billion falls under Israel's foreign aid allotment and $526 million comes from agencies such as the Department of Commerce, the U.S. Information Agency and the Pentagon. The $6.72 billion figure does not include loan guarantees and annual compound interest totalling $3.122 billion the U.S. pays on money borrowed to give to Israel. It does not include the cost to U.S. taxpayers of IRS tax exemptions that donors can claim when they donate money to Israeli charities. (Donors claim approximately $1 billion in Federal tax deductions annually. This ultimately costs other U.S. tax payers $280 million to $390 million.)

When grant, loans, interest and tax deductions are added together for the fiscal year ending in September 30, 1997, our special relationship with Israel cost U.S. taxpayers over $10 billion.

Since 1949 the U.S. has given Israel a total of $83.205 billion. The interest costs borne by U.S. tax payers on behalf of Israel are $49.937 billion, thus making the total amount of aid given to Israel since 1949 $133.132 billion. This may mean that U.S. government has given more federal aid to the average Israeli citizen in a given year than it has given to the average American citizen.

I am angry when I see Israeli settlers from Hebron destroy improvements made to Shuhada Street with my tax money. Also, it angers me that my government is giving over $10 billion to a country that is more prosperous than most of the other countries in the world and uses much of its money for strengthening its military and the oppression of the Palestinian people.

...more...
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Alamuti Lotus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-09-09 07:48 PM
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22. I would imagine that the sanctions would exclude military equipment, right?
All of the shiny stuff helps Yossi's boss kill Arabs -- certainly must be a fan of that part of American government, at least, and that certainly hasn't been interrupted in the slightest bit.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-09-09 08:53 PM
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23. Is this person not aware
that Israel gets monetary aid from the US?
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Kingofalldems Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-09-09 09:00 PM
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24. Neocons and PNACers all for it , I bet
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sicksicksick_N_tired Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-09-09 09:13 PM
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25. lol nt
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roamer65 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-09-09 09:33 PM
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26. Sounds like a great deal for the US.
They impose meager sanctions, and American welfare ends. We'll save BILLIONS.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-09-09 10:16 PM
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28. No shit, José!
This is Israel's most rightwing government in her history, as well as the largest one. Bibi created ministries out of thin air to reward supporters from wacko political parties that he invited to his crazy coalition.

If there are any gods, Bibi's government will collapse before it does any real harm.
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-10-09 08:44 AM
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32. Go ahead. Make my day.
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NJGeek Donating Member (680 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-10-09 12:45 PM
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35. kthxbye!
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