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Tinoire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-01-04 11:30 PM
Original message
Latest News from Haiti from Haiti En Marche . (Not good. Not good at all)
Edited on Mon Mar-01-04 11:42 PM by Tinoire
<Forgive my translation, their text as they posted it is very rushed>

Latest news: Monday

The rebels made their appearance in Port-with-Prince. Guy
Philippe, Jodel Chamblain in company of 100 to 200 members of the old Haitian Army, equipped in military battle-dress uniforms settled at the Police HQs, opposite from the tax office.

The marines are on the lawns of the National Palace about 10 of them.

The gates to the palace are closed. Nobody tries to enter.

There are people in cars in front of the palace.

Butter Metayer, Guy Philippe, Jodel Chamblain announced a
press conference for 3 o'clock at the hotel El Rancho.

Meanwhile Evans Paul and André Apaid announced that the rebels
are part of the solution
. They are Haitians, underlined André
Apaid. This déclaration is astounding, because the various Peace plans suggested by the various authorities: CARICOM, American Peace plan, never made mention of the rebels who now are called the Insurrectionary Front.

Plunderings of the Commercial District.
Immense.

In Lalue, (the principal down-town street) all the gasoline stations were demolished, burned. RadioVision 2000 (an internet, live feed broadcasting co) destroyed.

The banking institutions, Sogebank, Capital Bank, Unibank
were plundered. L’Abeille ((a fine old store)), the Capitol Movies (plundered)

At Rue Pavee ((another important street more down-town)),
Raoul Denis ((music/TV store)) was plundered. Everything was carted off- CD players, pianos and then the place burnt down.

We're still in the commercial quarter- the stores Lektronitek, ABC Electronic... the banks Capital Bank, Sogebank, Unibank
all has been destroyed.

This morning the remains of the UNIBANK are still smoldering.

One can also see the computers thrown in the streets.
Many supermarkets were plundered: Delimart in Delmas, Big Mart in Lalue, Big Star on the Champs de Mars.

At the Expo downtown, Tele Haiti (main TV station) has been picked clean. Its antennae turned off, cutting off both national and international news for all subscribers. It used to be thanks to Télé Haiti, that we could get news on channels TV5, RDI, CNN, ABC, NBC, etc…etc…
There is no more news on these chains now.

The radio station RFI which had its antennae in the yard of Tele Haiti have also been destroyed.

The list of the companies which were destroyed, plundered is endless...

Liberation of the prisoners.
Saturday in the midst of all this looting, destruction of property etc...etc... certain individuals, profiting from the general chaos went to the National Penitentiary and opened the doors of the prison freeing everyone inside including General Prosper April and the many other prisoners who were there, among them several "drug dealers".

Denunciation of Bush's coup d'etat in Haiti.
This is how the members of Black Caucus qualified the departure of Jean-Bertrand Aristide. The Haitian question is a point of honor in the American electoral campaign.

===========================================
My note: The former Haitian dictator, General Prosper Avril, liked to display the bloodied victims of his torture on television.

When he was overthrown, he was flown to Florida by the US government, and granted political asylum.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/PIL201A.html


There are bodies in the streets everywhere.

My personal note. The Haitian people are not going to take this laying down.


== (Original Text)

Les Toutes Dernières:
Lundi Premier Mars

Les rebelles ont fait leur apparition dans Port-au-Prince.
Guy Philippe, Jodel Chamblain en compagnie d'a peu près 100 à 200 membres des ex-forces armées d'Haïti, habillés en tenue militaire ( style Léopard) se sont installés au bureau de Police, en face du bureau des contributions ( l'ancien bureau de Michel François, ex-anti-gang )
Les marines eux, ont les voit sur les pelouses du Palais national.
Ils seraient une dizaine.
Les barrières d'accès au palais sont fermées.
Personne n'essaye d'entrer.
Des gens en voiture seraient devant le palais.
Tout ce monde les Butter Métayer , Guy Philippe, Jodel Chamblain, annoncent une conférence de presse pour 3 heures à l'hôtel El Rancho.
D'un autre côté Evans Paul et André Apaid ont fait savoir que les rebelles faisaient partie de la solution. Ce sont des Haïtiens, a souligné Anré Apaid. Cette déclaratin n'a pas manqué de surprendre plus d'un, car les différents Plans de Paix proposés par les diverses instances: CARICOM, Plan de Paix américain, n'ont jamais fait mention des rebelles qui maintenant sont appelés: Front Insurrectionnel.

Les pillages du Quartier Commercial.
Ils sont immenses.
A Lalue, toutes les stations d’essences ont été démolies, brûlées. Radio vision 2000 pillée. Les institutions bancaires, la Sogebank, Capital Bank , Unibank ont été pillées. L’Abeille, le Ciné Capitol ,
A la rue Pavée, la maison Raoul Denis a été pillée. Tous les appareils emportés, les CD, les Pianos, et le feu a été mis.
Toujours le quartier commercial les magasins Lektronitek, ABC Electronic. Les banques Capital Bank, Sogebank, Unibank tout a été détruit.
Ce matin les décombrs de la UNIBANK fumaient encore.
On peut voir aussi les ordinateurs jetés dans les rues.
Plusieurs Markets ont été pillés : Delimart à Delmas, Big Mart à Lalue, Big Star au Champs de Mars
A l’exposition, la station Télé Haïti a été déchouquée. Et les antennes de cette station de Télévision se sont éteintes, coupant ainsi de l’actualité internationale et nationale tous les abonnés.
C’est grâce à Télé Haïti, que l’on pouvait prendre les grandes chaines telles que TV5, RDI, CNN, ABC, NBC, etc…etc…
Plus de nouvelles par ces chaines maintenant.
La station de radio RFI dont les antennes se trouvent dans la cour de Télé Haïti ont également été démolies.
Nous n’en finirions pas de citer toutes les entreprises qui ont été détruites, pillées…

Libération de prisonniers.
Samedi dans le cadre des nombreux pillages, démolitions de magasins etc...etc... des individus se sont rendus au Pénitentier National, profitant de ce chaos généralisé et ont ouvert les portes de la prison, mettant en liberté tout le monde y compris le général Prosper Avril et les nombreux autres prisonniers qui s'y trouvaient, parmi eux plusieurs "drug dealers".

Dénonciation du coup d'état de Bush en Haïti.
C'est ainsi que les membres du Black Caucus qualifiend le départ de Jean-Bertrand Aristide . La question haïtienne est à l'honneur dans la campagne électorale américaine.

http://www.haitienmarche.com/sommaire.php

No copyright. Request to disseminate
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bicentennial_baby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-01-04 11:33 PM
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1. Isn't Apaid...
connected to Tele Haiti somehow?
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Tinoire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-01-04 11:41 PM
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8. BOY are you GOOD!
Edited on Mon Mar-01-04 11:43 PM by Tinoire
I removed my personal note about the media. Thank you.

Disinformation media

The Haitian press, most notably Radio Metropole, Radio Vision 2000, Radio Kiskeya, Radio Caraibe and Tele-Haiti, have shown themselves to be wanton whores in the campaign to sow confusion and panic among the people. They are active players in the U.S. campaign to destabilize Haiti's constitutional government. With total disregard for principles of "objective journalism," they circulate exaggerated reports of violence by Lavalas, turn a blind eye to violence on the part of the opposition, and underreport the size and frequency of Lavalas demonstrations demanding President Aristide fulfill his five-year term in office. They regularly produce and air commercials calling upon the population to "claim their democratic rights" by joining anti-Aristide street actions. Just as in Venezuela, where local elites use their media to spearhead the opposition to President Hugo Chavez, the clear objective in Haiti is to throw the constitution in the trash and force President Aristide to resign.

Never mind that Radio Vision 2000 is owned by the same right-wing Boulos family that funds the Haiti Democracy Project in Washington D.C. Never mind that Tele-Haiti was founded by Andre Apaid, the self-proclaimed leader of Group 184 that was "created from whole cloth" by the Haiti Democracy Project. (See “The Bush Administration’s End Game for Haiti,” December 4.) Never mind that two prominent journalists of Radio Metropole were funded by the U.S. State Department to tour the United States in mid-January of this year to meet with editorial boards around the country to spread their message of the evils of Aristide's "dictatorship." Ignore the fact that they are a major source of information for the Associated Press, Reuters and France's venerable RFI whose reporters can be seen openly sharing "information" with them buddy-buddy style on any given day. Here’s the way it works: Metropole reports a fabrication; AP and RFI pick it up for their wire services, then Kiskeya and the others report it again in Haiti backed by the credibility of the international press. The positive feedback loop of disinformation for the opposition is now complete.

http://www.blackcommentator.com/73/73_haiti_pina_pf.html

DAMN!

I did not know that! So destroyed? Revenge?


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bicentennial_baby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-01-04 11:44 PM
Response to Reply #8
11. Either that or
he wanted it all trashed so they would'nt be able to let any of that pesky truth seep out!
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DenverDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-01-04 11:34 PM
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2. Not dissimilar to the regime change in Iraq.
Total destruction of the cultural and civic infrastructure and mass murder.

bushler policy straight down the line.

Your tax dollars at work, in your name. Aren't you proud?
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-02-04 01:59 AM
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58. And people say b*sh is nothing like Hitler.
People need to WAKE THE FUCK UP.

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Darranar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-01-04 11:35 PM
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3. Oh, no...
this is just getting worse and worse...

Let's hope the Dems push the Aristide kidnapping thing and get the Bush thugs out of office. This, like so many other things they have done, is totally inexcusable and unjustified.

Any news of pro-Aristide protests in response to the coup? The way the US media is protraying this as a joyous occasion for the Haitian people is purely disgusting.
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Oilwellian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-01-04 11:38 PM
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4. I've been following your posts all day
This one is by far the most heartrending. I'm sorry for your country and what is happening to it.
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Tinoire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-01-04 11:50 PM
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13. Thanks Oaf. That means a lot to me.
Edited on Mon Mar-01-04 11:51 PM by Tinoire
I am just getting fired up now. I know that anything we can do to get the word out will be an immense help.

The worst is that I'm not even getting the news in Kreyol because my Creole is deplorable. I can barely read it (understand it yes, but read it well that's more difficult because it wasn't a written language when I was growing up) and that's totally frustrating right now! I Am Spartacus, who is American, puts me to shame. We should draft him for the articles written in Creole.

Thank you. You have no idea how heartening it is to know that people care.


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I AM SPARTACUS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-02-04 12:26 AM
Response to Reply #13
26. just pm me and link me for any Kreyol or French...
...my Kreyol is better than my French, but we have Rochambeau here, and he/she is French...
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Tinoire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-02-04 12:57 AM
Response to Reply #26
36. I've seen Rochambeau's posts in the past
Uninterested but thank you.
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I AM SPARTACUS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-02-04 01:05 AM
Response to Reply #36
40. I know...I know...
Roch has a big thing going about Titid...
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UpInArms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-01-04 11:38 PM
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5. thank you Tinoire
I have "disseminated".

This is grim.
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stevedeshazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-01-04 11:39 PM
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6. This is horrifying
This is liberation?
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-01-04 11:40 PM
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7. "Old Haitian army"?
From when?
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Tinoire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-01-04 11:42 PM
Response to Reply #7
9. Aristide basically disbanded the Army which was left over from the
Duvalier regime. That one...
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-01-04 11:45 PM
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12. Think Papa Doc and Baby Doc Duvalier.
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Rose Siding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-01-04 11:43 PM
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10. What does this part mean, Tinoire?
"Denunciation of Bush's coup d'etat in Haiti.
This is how the members of Black Caucus qualified the departure of Jean-Bertrand Aristide. The Haitian question is a point of honor in the American electoral campaign."

Who's denouncing the coup here, does it mean the US Black Caucus, and does this mean that it's seen as a point of honor for bush in the election?

What a nightmare.
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Tinoire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-01-04 11:54 PM
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14. That was rocky but yes.
This is how the Haitians are seeing it & thanking the CBC for calling a spade a spade. The author is seeing this as something that must be a point of honor in the coming election. Something people of conscience, to include politicians, must hold Bush accountable for.
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DenverDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-02-04 12:03 AM
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15. Black Caucus is the only group standing up for democracy.
Maxine Watters and Charles Rangle courageously challenged the corporate talking points today after talking to Aristide on the phone.

This needs to be made into a main issue of the election, ongoing, cynical, illegal, unilateral regime change by the bushler gang.
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Chicago Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-02-04 12:07 AM
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17. I wonder about the TIMING
Is this another divisive issue, fully orchestrated for political gain? Is the the race card?

Kerry the man of honor, will he follow through. Perhaps vieled words are best now. We have to win. In the long run.

This political ploy by Robert Noreiga cost blood, Haitian blood. I suspect the timing and I blame BUSH.
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DenverDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-02-04 12:16 AM
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19. Of course the timing is suspect.
bushco is nothing if not cynically expedient. Just when they were reaching the tipping point of public opinion in '01, magically the "Pearl Harbor" that the PNAC document demanded appeared. This is no less expedient, and yes the race card and the voudou card is being played. The slave labor that the globalists will reap from taking over the country will be profitable icing on the power elite cake.
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-02-04 12:26 AM
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25. Yep, Everything Is Through The Looking Glass Now !!!
"The slave labor that the globalists will reap from taking over the country will be profitable icing on the power elite cake."

Yeah... Huh???

The stock markrt goes up about 100 points after a U.S. led coup? I thought the markets didn't like instability.

Gas prices are soaring? I thought we had the oil from Iraq online now.

Colin Powell and the State Dept. are at odds with Rumsfeld and the NeoCons? NOT ANYMORE!!!

:grr::nuke::mad:
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Chicago Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-02-04 12:41 AM
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31. At least the truth bubbled to the surface still...
Thanks to Maxine Waters, Democracy Now and some brave people in Haiti. DU too. All of us who are Sons of Liberty.
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-02-04 02:04 AM
Response to Reply #25
60. They probably realized it's either cooperation or a firing squad.
How much longer will my comment remain mere hyperbole? We are spiraling down fast now.

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Chicago Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-02-04 12:05 AM
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16. Haiti Must Be An Election Issue!
This must not stand!
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Tinoire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-02-04 12:13 AM
Response to Reply #16
18. Hi Chicago Democrat... Do you know this guy?
Edited on Tue Mar-02-04 12:13 AM by Tinoire


;) ((My first bright post of the day - thanks))

Born in St Marc, Haiti, Founder of Chicago

In 1774, Jean Baptiste DuSable, a black frontierman born in Haiti, founded the City of Chicago, Illinois.

In case you didn't know, Jean Baptiste Pointe Du Sable was born in St. Marc, Haiti around 1745.

His father was french and his mother was a Haitian Slave. He was educated in France and later worked on one of his father's ships as a seaman.

Du Sable was very well educated and spoke French, Spanish and English fluently. He collected fine art and owned several European rare art pieces.

Du Sable was injured on one of his voyages and he put ashore in New Orleans to heal. After his recovery, he made his way up the Mississippi River to Illinois where he settled in Peoria. He eventually owned over 800 acres in the area.

Jean Baptiste Du Sable married a Potawatomi Indian named Kittihawa.

They had a son named Jean and a daughter named Susanne.

In 1779 he left Peoria and explored north to an area called Eschikagou, (Chicago) by the Indians. DuSable, recognizing it's future potential, decided to settle in the area and built the first permanent home on the banks of the Chicago River.

He established a trading post which became the main point of supply for traders and trappers heading west. Du Sable's trading post did very well and he became quite wealthy. A granddaughter was born in 1796 becoming the first child born in Chicago.

In 1800 Du Sable sold his entire holdings and moved to Missouri. He died on August 29, 1818 in St. Charles, Missouri.

You can add this to your list of "Famous Haitians"

Brought to you by Woodring Saint Preux

Sources:Encyclopedia Britannica,
Encyclopedia Africana
article source: multirace.org


http://www.haitianinternet.com/index.php/113
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Chicago Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-02-04 12:39 AM
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30. That's Amazing!
I know the name Du Sable from the Du Sable Museum and various other Chicago landmarks. Thank you for the superb post Tinoire.

I am depressed tonight and am drinking alot because of what happened in Haiti. Basically we just have to move on. Pressure the administration to reinstate Aristide or hold elections so he can get re-elected, for the 3rd time.

Vive Aristide!

Vive La Republique d'Haiti!
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Tinoire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-02-04 01:28 AM
Response to Reply #30
49. I had a feeling you knew
;) Take care & peace

Vive Aristide!

Vive La Republique d'Haiti!
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not systems Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-02-04 01:11 AM
Response to Reply #18
42. Thanks. I grew up near there...
but never heard of him.

Ignorance runs deep, thanks for the education.

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Tinoire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-02-04 01:42 AM
Response to Reply #42
56. Thanks. Made me smile lol
My pleasure :)
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Sugarbleus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-02-04 02:01 AM
Response to Reply #18
59. Thank you Tinoire........this info is remarkable and
Enlightening. You are one special person! I can't wait to pass this info around--as it surely should be--to others.

Bravo Tinoire!

I'm sad and confussed about Haiti though. I will look for more of your posts.
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-02-04 02:07 AM
Response to Reply #59
62. Tinoire is a gem of a person. One of the brightest people around.
This insanity must not stand! I feel so goddamned helpless.

I emailed my dad to ask him when he was in Haiti with Special Ops - I remember '94, but I'm getting this horrible feeling it was '91 instead...

Hope I'm wrong. This whole thing is messing with my head.

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Tinoire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-02-04 02:21 AM
Response to Reply #62
67. Hey Zhade. There were some very good SF soldiers in Haiti too
Stan Goff... I posted some of his stuff in GD this week-end. He was a Special Ops soldier there and he did a lot of good. He came back denouncing the things that were going on down there and wrote a book called "Hideous Dream" you might like. He's also the co-founder of Military Families Speak Out and a fellow Veteran for Peace.

He wrote a lot about Haiti: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=Stan+Goff+Haiti

Don't let this mess with your head. I was in the US military 20 years & never once hurt a fly. We're not all bad :)

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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-02-04 04:01 AM
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74. Hey, thanks! I'll check this out.
My dad, as part of special ops and later AFSOC, was in Grenada, Panama, first Gulf War, Haiti (uncertain now as to year), Guantanamo Bay (1994, which is why I'm unsure about what year he was in Haiti - hoping it was '94 and not '91), and other places I don't know about I'm sure.

I once asked him what he did during the first Gulf War, and he would only say, "I carried around a briefcase full of a million dollars."

Needless to say, my dad and I have had a tough time being close, especially now that I'm very anti-war and his opinion before the invasion of Iraq was that "they should have turned it into a parking lot the first time." We had some tension when I called him after the infamous "scripted press conference" ("How does your faith sustain you?"). I called b*sh a traitor, and he scoffed and wouldn't talk about it.

He's come around somewhat - he told me, after the bodies started piling up in Baghdad, that he was proud of me. So there's some signs he's waking up.

My mom, btw, was in the USAF for four years, then became a journalist, only to get blacklisted for breaking too many crooked politicians in Louisiana. Her and dad are very different, but they've been together for 27 years, so something must be working!

I appreciate the reading material - I'll put it to good use! :)


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Tinoire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-02-04 02:16 AM
Response to Reply #59
65. Thanks Sugarbleus - One day when things settle down
I'll tell you more about Haiti. How they came to fight along with the American rebels against the British for independence. How the flavor & food of Louisiana are from the old plantations of Haiti after the French fled there with their slaves. Tons of stories for happier times. :)
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Rochambeau Donating Member (469 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-02-04 12:18 AM
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20. Sad sad sad
I'm very sad for the Haitian people because things are going worser and worser. The Haitian people don't deserve that, don't deserve these leaders, including Aristide !

Remember all that Buter Métayer who is mentionned in the article among the rebels is the brother of Amiot Métayer the former leader of the Armée Cannibale, an ultraviolent militia wich was working FOR Aristide before he decided to order his assassination !(a bullet in each eye! certainly killed by Paul Odonel and local police chief Harold Adéclat). The Armée Cannibale of the Gonaïves was one of the Aristide's Tontons Macoutes !! He used them for political assassinations in the city of Independance!

Remember also that the polical situation in Haiti was not only divided into pro and anti Aristide tontons macoutes, there was a non violent opposition who clearly denonced the violence of the rebels while they were asking Aristide to GO AWAY because they were fed up with the corruption and the violence of the régime !!
Remember for exemple the assassination of the free journalist Jean Dominic in the patio of Radio Haiti, the shooting of his widow's house(it cost the life of her bodyguard) to prevent her from talking after more than two years of police investigations that led to nothing because of the pressure coming from the power. Two of the suspects of the assassination of Jean Dominic have been arrested but were killed before they talk. One of the suspects who died, Jean Wilner Lalane was under treatment at the State University Hospital with police survey when he died and his body disapeared !!

Etc etc etc ....

The everyday life of the Aristide régime is very entertaining...

Aristide was not a saint ! Not at all! He was not even really legally elected since the elections were a sad joke. Aristide HAD to go !! The sooner was the best.
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Darranar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-02-04 12:25 AM
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23. Do you have any evidence that the elections were a fraud?
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Rochambeau Donating Member (469 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-02-04 12:37 AM
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29. "Do you have any evidence that the elections were a fraud?"
Do I have evidence that the elections were a fraud? Yes I have some !! Plenty of them !! But do you think that it will manage to go through my USB wire right to DU forum :nopity: ? Sorry but it's a silly question. Check out the datas, read testimonies of witnesses (an entire people!) and you'll find the answer but you will not find "evidences" of course !
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Rochambeau Donating Member (469 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-02-04 12:26 AM
Response to Reply #20
24. sorry
Sorry, one of my sources : http://www.medialternatif.org/alterpresse/

Some other sources by many Haitian refugees in France, all of them are former Aristide prominents or journalists who to escape from Haiti to protect their lives and the lives of their families from the Aristide's tontons macoutes.
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ParanoidPat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-02-04 12:54 AM
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33. This is the WORST that Human Rights Watch could find.....
.....about the elections. :evilgrin:

From http://www.hrw.org/wr2k1/americas/haiti.html

The most glaringly fraudulent aspect of the deeply flawed May elections was the method used to calculate the results of the first-round Senate races. Bypassing the country's constitution and electoral law, which required first-round winners to have an absolute majority of votes cast, the Provisional Electoral Council (Conseil Electorale Provisoire, CEP) dramatically shrunk the pool of votes counted, eliminating all but those accruing to the four or six leading candidates in each province. As a result, all nineteen Senate seats at issue in the elections were won in the first round, eighteen of them by Fanmi Lavalas. When Léon Manus, the seventy-eight-year-old president of the council, objected to the calculation method, Préval and Aristide pressured him to accept it, making veiled threats that led Manus to flee the country. The government's refusal to reconsider the skewed results led the Electoral Monitoring Mission of the Organization of American States (OAS-EOM) to quit Haiti before the second-round balloting, labeling the elections "fundamentally flawed." Fanmi Lavalas then cemented control of local and national government, ending up with seventy-two of eighty-three seats in the Chamber of Deputies, and two-thirds of some 7,500 local posts.

<More>

I guess we should invade Florida and Georgia over the 'method' that the Diebold voting system uses to count the votes. :)
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Darranar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-02-04 01:00 AM
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39. Isn't that how district elections are done in the US?
Edited on Tue Mar-02-04 01:04 AM by Darranar
No need to keep to Florida and Georgia...

Admittedly, it was unconstitutional, but if the "land of the free" and the "first modern democracy" and all that accepts a similar form, it can hardly be called undemocratic...
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Matilda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-02-04 01:27 AM
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48. I thought the Tontons Macoutes operated under the Duvaliers?
n/t
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Tinoire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-02-04 12:55 AM
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35. I am sorry for you Rochambeau that we chose Aristide.
He may not be a saint, no man is, but he certainly cared more for my people than the French ever did.

If Aristide disbanded the Duvalieriste army, of which butchers such as Metayer, Philippe, Avril were a part of, it is precisely because it was corrupt to the core.

I am glad for you that you are happy Aristide is gone.

I find the everyday duplicity of France in dealing with Haiti amusing. Where are all the billions Duvalier took to France? Did your country ever return them to the poor and starving of Haiti? We did ask for them. As a matter of fact, we even asked for Duvalier but he remained protected, just like Constant in the US.

By the way, how is Baby Doc? I am sure the French government isn't keen to discuss that affair or Villepin's role in working with Bush for further enslave my country. Is Duvalier still alive in France? I've seen his letters begging to come back to Haiti; please don't send him back. We won't have him. That one you can keep now.

We are not amused with the electoral results the US and France keep trying to shove down our throats.

Not even really elected. What a joke. We are sorry our democracy doesn't suit French & US imperialistic needs.
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Rochambeau Donating Member (469 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-02-04 01:16 AM
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43. As usual ?
Edited on Tue Mar-02-04 01:26 AM by Rochambeau
No answer about the facts (the Armée Cannibale and Métayer bros working for Aristide before, the political assassinations, the joke of a police investigation on the political murder of Jean Dominic, the testimonies of refugees forced to run away to escape Aristide's violence, corruption and clientélisme, the joke of an election etc etc etc). No answer but the same good old but quite useful anti-colonialist boring rethoric used by all the crooks when they have to answer questions about their dirty job when the question, unfortunatly, comes from a citizen of the former colonialist state ...You remind me Mobutu Tinoire.....
Yes Aristide at the beginning did good things and he disbanded the Duvalieriste army after the first coup against him but he finally adopted the worse abits of his predecessors, he became exactly what he was fighting against before. Why can't you admit that ? Any 'interest' Tinoire?
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einniv Donating Member (260 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-02-04 01:29 AM
Response to Reply #43
50. That is what happens when someone is forced to ward off
Edited on Tue Mar-02-04 01:30 AM by einniv
School of America trained terrorists and IMF coercion.

Chavez got pretty rough in Venezuela as well as I recall.

Men of power often hunger for more power. But, fending off vampires is tough dirty work sometimes. And, you do realize that many of the reforms are going to go away now right? So that in essence he was fighting to keep them and yes his power as well.

You look at the end game and yell at Aristide when you should be looking at the middle game where the treachery occured.






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Rochambeau Donating Member (469 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-02-04 01:35 AM
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53. uhmmm
Do not compare Aristide and Chavez einniv, fortunatly for the Venezuelian people they very different...
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einniv Donating Member (260 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-02-04 02:06 AM
Response to Reply #53
61. Yes . Their guy survived it ... so far
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Tinoire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-02-04 01:40 AM
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55. With you? I am sorry no. Dessalines kicked Rochambeau's ass already
Edited on Tue Mar-02-04 01:45 AM by Tinoire


Jean-Jacques Dessalines, pronounced zhahn zhahk day sa LEEN, (1758-1806), is one of Haiti's national heroes. He helped free the country from French rule and became its first chief of state.

Dessalines was born a slave in Grande-Riviere-du-Nord, Haiti. In his early life he served as an officer in the French army. In 1791, Dessalines became a part of the freedom movement that lead to the total abolition of slavery in Haiti in 1793. After fighting under General Toussaint L'Ouverture against British and Spanish soldiers attempting to take the Haitian colony from France, Dessaline fought again under Toussaint to expel the French from Haiti. In 1802, when the French arrested Toussaint, Dessalines became the revolution's leader. The French, under General Rochambeau (successor of LeClerc who had died of malaria earlier), were finally defeated at the famed Battle of Vertieres on November 18th, 1803. Notably, it is Dessalines' victory over Rochambeau in Vertieres that forced Napoleon to abandon his bid for the control of Louisiana and eventually, the rest of the 'New World'.

In 1804, Dessalines declared the colony the independent country of Haiti and assumed the title of governor general for life. In 1806, He was murdered by political rivals.

http://dolphin.upenn.edu/~dhsa/dessa_bio.html

As soon as peace was concluded with England, the French Consul dispatched a fleet to St. Domingo, commanded by Admiral Villaret, with an army of at least 20,001 men. At the head of the army was placed General Leclerc, the Consul's brother in law, assisted by several Generals of great note, particularly Rochambeau, well known in the West Indies for his attachment to the cause of slavery.
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Rochambeauu, unable to bring his enemy to battle yet also prevented from establishing strong points in the interior because of the constant raids and ambushes, decided to copy the Jamaican planters who had used 100 Cuban man-hunting bloodhounds in putting down the Maroon rising of 1795. He imported several couples from Havana, where dogs were bred specially to track down runaway slaves, intending to use them to smell out ambushes, but they prove to be unsatisfactory.

They were difficult to control (the British had engaged expert handlers, as well as dogs) and their operational range was less than that of a trained infantrymen. Rochambeau, whose mind was ingenious in evil, decided to use them instead as a new form of punishment, a new instrument of torture. The dogs should be used not to track the rebels down, but to tear them to pieces after they were captured.

<snip>

Dessalines had his men erect five hundred gallows during the night and, in full sight of the French lines, hanged five hundred Frenchmen at dawn. Rochambeau again economised his ammunition by sending Black prisoners out to sea to be drowned instead of shot. The skipper of the barge that took them out, pinioned ready to be thrown overboard, fancied himself as a wit and, when challenged by the sentries at For Picolet, would invariably reply, "I'm just off to soak some cod." They had sandbags tied around their necks as sinkers; when the bags or the ropes rotted, the corpses rose to the surface and floated ashore.

Rochambeau (1755-1813)

Senseless evil was matched by insensate heroism


<snip>

http://www.nathanielturner.com/christophe2.htm

"Every atrocity committed by the French will be revisited on the French." Dessalines.

My people already beat Rochambeau's pansy ass at Vertieres. Don't tempt me to repeat the feat.
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Rochambeau Donating Member (469 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-02-04 01:50 AM
Response to Reply #55
57. Well, as usual !!
Edited on Tue Mar-02-04 01:58 AM by Rochambeau
As usual, dodging, dodging, dodging... I tempt you Tinoire/Mobutu, dare to get rid of your good old useful anti-colonialist rethoric ! Answer ! And not about what happened two hundred years ago but about what happened during the 'democratic' (don't make me laugh) Aristide regime. Tempt you ! Armée cannibale, Jean Dominic, political murders, corruption, violence, paramilitary, menaces on journalists etc....
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Tinoire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-02-04 02:22 AM
Response to Reply #57
68. You don't tempt me. You bore me.
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einniv Donating Member (260 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-02-04 01:20 AM
Response to Reply #35
45. Thank you for the information about the French.
I suspect that France is very important in this all.

Remember it is primarily France that the oil in Iraq deals were stolen from. I think many here felt(including me) that France wasn't standing on principle about Iraq. That they were protecting their own interests, not opposing imperialism.

This seems like a brokered deal. Bush helps France, Fance doesn't haul Bush and Blair up in front of an international court.

That may be the back story. Surely France could sue or do something about the contracts that were stolen.

This seems like payback. It will be interesting to see if France offers any support for whomever the Democratic nominee is.



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Matilda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-02-04 01:30 AM
Response to Reply #45
51. I think you are so right.
There are dirty deals being done between France and the White House,
I'm sure of it.

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Tinoire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-02-04 02:09 AM
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63. France enslaved Haiti until 1947 & is imperialistic as all. ALGERIA!
After they lost Haiti, thanks in part to the inept soldiering of that pansy Rochambeau who was imprisoned by the British in 1803, and still smarting that they had sold Lousiana to America in order to finance their fight to reclaim Haiti from the rebellious slaves ((can you believe that, a bunch of starving slaves armed with machetes beat the crap out of Napoleon's seasoned veterans)) imposed the most ruinous fines you can imagine on Haiti.

The mulatto elite, eager to see the island truly independent of the barbaric French plantation masters, agreed to the disastrous terms and paid France every single red cent France demanded for the inconvenience of no longer having any slaves.

Here is an article about Aristide's demand "that France restitute Haiti some $21 billion for the 90 million francs Haiti paid France during the 19th century as “compensation” for winning its independence in 1804." Aristide was going to take France to the World Court on this matter but, well, we all know the rest.
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<snip>

Meanwhile, the Haitian government’s own “Interministerial Commission for Restitution and Reparations” organized an international colloquium in Port-au-Prince from Oct. 13-15 entitled “Restitution and Development.” Attended by a diverse crowd of lawyers, historians, economists, and activists, this meeting starred another well-known French intellectual, Claude Ribbe, who has just published a French-language novel entitled The Expedition. The book tells the story of France’s doomed 1802 mission to restore French rule and slavery in Haiti through the eyes of Napoleon’s sister, Pauline Bonaparte, who was married to the expedition’s leader, General Charles Leclerc.

Ribbe was the guest on the government’s “Press Tuesdays” TV show, where he read an extract of Leclerc’s Oct. 7, 1802 letter to Napoleon. “I will have to carry out a war of extermination,” Leclerc wrote. “This is my opinion of this country. We must destroy all the blacks in the mountains, men, women and children over 12 years old, destroy half of those in the plains, and not leave in the colony a single man of color wearing epaulettes.”

<snip>

On the television program and during the colloquium, Ribbe, a philosopher and historian, acknowledged the “unspeakable” crimes which France committed against the Haitian people’s ancestors during both slavery and the independence war. Supporting Haiti’s demand for restitution, he called on the French government to “assume its responsibilites” and for French President Jacques Chirac to visit Haiti.

<snip>

“Let’s not forget, that capitalism was built principally from the colonies of the Antilles and particularly from St. Domingue,” said one Haitian intellectual during the colloquium’s opening session. “Thus the splendor of Europe, and particularly the splendor of France, was built on Haiti’s back. Haiti didn’t owe France any debt. France owed Haiti a debt.”

<snip about France sending an armada to Haiti to force them to pay before recognizing Haiti's independence >


Ironically, the most vocal critics of Haiti’s demand for restitution has been the small clique of politicians, power brokers, and pundits huddled in the Haitian opposition’s formations: the 15 “party-cle” Democratic Convergence opposition front, the hyper-inflated “Group of 184" organizations of assembly-industry-owner-turned-activist Andy Apaid, and the Civil Society Initiative of former neo-Duvalierist-minister Rosny Desroches.

<snip>

http://www.haiti-progres.com/2003/sm031022/eng10-22.html


===


Haiti makes its case for reparations: The meter is running at $34 per second
By J. Damu

Updated Feb 10, 2004


(FinalCall.com) - You’ve got to hand it to Haiti. Not only was it the world’s first country of enslaved workers to stand up and demand their freedom and independence; now they are the world’s first country to stand up to their former slavery-era master, France, and demand the return of its stolen wealth.

Haiti’s president and other government officials claim their country was held-up at gunpoint in broad daylight in 1825 and now they want the admitted thief, France, to replace the stolen wealth to the tune of $21.7 billion. This, despite massive attempts, well documented elsewhere, by the United States and world lending institutions to destabilize and overthrow the democratically elected government of Jean Bertrand Aristide.

<snip>

Finally in 1825, France, which was being encouraged by former plantation owners to invade Haiti and re-enslave the Blacks, issued the Royal Ordinance of 1825, which called for the massive indemnity payments. In addition to the 150 million franc payment, France decreed that French ships and commercial goods entering and leaving Haiti would be discounted at 50 percent, thereby further weakening Haiti’s ability to pay. According to French officials at the time, the terms of the edict were non-negotiable and to impress the seriousness of the situation upon the Haitians, France delivered the demands by 12 warships armed with 500 canons.

The 150 million franc indemnity was based on profits earned by the colonists, according to a memorandum prepared by their lawyers. In 1789, Saint Domingue (all of Haiti and Santo Domingo) exported 150 million francs worth of products to France. In 1823, Haitian exports to France totaled 8.5 million francs, exports to England totaled 8.4 million francs, and exports to the United States totaled 13.1 million francs, for a total of 30 million francs.

<snip>

To make matters worse for Haiti, the French anticipated and planned for Haiti to secure a loan to pay the first installment on the indemnity. Haiti was forced to borrow the 30 million francs from a French bank, which then deducted the management fees from the face value of the loan and charged interest rates so exorbitant that, after the payment was completed, Haiti was still six million francs short.

<snip>

Even though France later lowered the indemnity payment to 90 million francs, the cycle of forcing Haiti to borrow from French banks to make the payments chained the Black nation to perpetual poverty. Haiti did not finish paying her indemnity debt until 1947!

<snip>

http://www.finalcall.com/artman/publish/article_1290.shtml


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Rochambeau Donating Member (469 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-02-04 02:29 AM
Response to Reply #63
69. Dodging...
dodging again...
Still the sound of silence from Tinoire about the Armée cannibale, the assassination of Jean Dominic, political murders, corruption, violence, paramilitaries, menaces on journalists etc....

You can re-write here the whole history of the colonialist France pages after pages I'm a deeply anti-colonialist leftist and proud of it so I'm ok with that, instead of answering clearly and honestly. So I will, how did you say?, oh yes 'tempt you' Tinoire, I will haunt you. I think that everybody here has already understood that you don't want to answer, that you can't answer and that's why you are giving us a 19th century history lesson. It's more convenient indeed ?
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I AM SPARTACUS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-02-04 03:06 AM
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73. just in case you're wondering...
I think she handed you your head.

Go through the rest of your dialogs like this exchange, and it'll happen again.
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Dirk39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-02-04 12:59 AM
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38. You make me mad...
It's not about saints. Not at all. But you discuss Haiti, as if it would be a kind of independant society, where something's going wrong.

And then there's the USA, reacting. And what the US government is doing, might be more or less appropriate.

In a way, we're in the midst of World-War-Four - if the cold war counts as WWIII. Aristide never had a realistic chance to even try to make the decisions, he wanted to make. And even more so, during the last years, the USA along with the IMF and the Worldbank did everything they could, to let him fail.

If anyone is responsible for his government to fail it's the USA, the IMF and the Worldbank.

If you're interested in the history behind, read this:
http://globalresearch.ca/articles/CHO402D.html

Hello from Germany,
Dirk
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Tinoire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-02-04 02:12 AM
Response to Reply #38
64. Do a little research on the name Rochambeau & Haiti and
Edited on Tue Mar-02-04 02:13 AM by Tinoire
see what type of a poster you are dealing with.
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Emillereid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-02-04 12:19 AM
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21. Can someone enlighten me as to how the Bushits profit or benefit from
what's taking place in Haiti. I am not arguing that they are not up to their eyeballs in the coup d'etat against Aristide -- I just can't figure out why?
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Dirk39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-02-04 12:27 AM
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27. No government in the entire world is allowed...
Edited on Tue Mar-02-04 12:28 AM by Dirk39
to oppose the neoliberal agenda. No government in the entire world is allowed to oppose the IMF and the Worldbank.

The only thing that's allowed are corrupt local elites, who agree with the Global Players - mostly American corporations, but Europe is involved, too - to sell out their countries, destroy import-substituting industries and keep their people down. And if facade-democrazies don't do the job, they're replaced with fashist regimes.

If only one single government in Latin-America or the so-called "developping countries" would be successfull in opposing that agenda, the US-elites would be toast.

That Venezuela, Cuba and Haiti could be succesfull and infect Argentinia, Brazil etc. too, robs their sleep.

But it's not just Bush, it's the DLC, too.

Hello from Germany,
Dirk

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Emillereid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-02-04 12:54 AM
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34. But didn't Aristide go along with the IMF and the World Bank?
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Dirk39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-02-04 01:06 AM
Response to Reply #34
41. Yes, he wasn't supported by some desktop-saints...
like me and - maybe - you.


"The IMF's Bitter "Economic Medicine"

The IMF and the World Bank are key players in the process of economic and political destabilization. While carried out under the auspices of an intergovernmental body, the IMF reforms tend to support US strategic and foreign policy objectives.

Based on the so-called "Washington consensus", IMF austerity and restructuring measures through their devastating impacts, often contribute to triggering social and ethnic strife. IMF reforms have often precipitated the downfall of elected governments. In extreme cases of economic and social dislocation, the IMF's bitter economic medicine has contributed to the destabilization of entire countries, as occurred in Somalia, Rwanda and Yugoslavia. (See Michel Chossudovsky, The globalization of Poverty and the New World Order, Second Edition, 2003, http://globalresearch.ca/globaloutlook/GofP.html )

The IMF program is a consistent instrument of economic dislocation. The IMF's reforms contribute to reshaping and downsizing State institutions through drastic austerity measures. The latter are implemented alongside other forms of intervention and political interference, including CIA covert activities in support of rebel paramilitary groups and opposition political parties.

Moreover, so-called "Emergency Recovery" and "Post-conflict" reforms are often introduced under IMF guidance, in the wake of a civil war, a regime change or "a national emergency".

In Haiti, the IMF sponsored "free market" reforms have been carried out consistently since the Duvalier era. They have been applied in several stages since the first election of president Aristide in 1990.

The 1991 military coup, which took place 8 months following Jean Bertrand Aristide's accession to the presidency, was in part intended to reverse the government's progressive reforms and reinstate the neoliberal policy agenda of the Duvalier era.

A former World Bank official Mr. Marc Bazin was appointed Prime minister by the Military Junta in June 1992. In fact, it was the US State Department which sought his appointment.

Bazin had a track record of working for the "Washington consensus." In 1983, he had been appointed Finance Minister under the Duvalier regime, In fact he had been recommended to the Finance portfolio by the IMF: "President-for-Life Jean-Claude Duvalier had agreed to the appointment of an IMF nominee, former World Bank official Marc Bazin, as Minister of Finance". (Mining Annual Review, June, 1983). Bazin, who was considered Washington's "favorite", later ran against Aristide in the 1990 presidential elections.

Bazin, was called in by the Military Junta in 1992 to form a so-called "consensus government". It is worth noting that it was precisely during Bazin's term in office as Prime Minister that the political massacres and extra judicial killings by the CIA supported FRAPH death squadrons were unleashed, leading to the killing of more than 4000 civilians. Some 300,000 people became internal refugees, "thousands more fled across the border to the Dominican Republic, and more than 60,000 took to the high seas" (Statement of Dina Paul Parks, Executive Director, National Coalition for Haitian Rights, Committee on Senate Judiciary, US Senate, Washington DC, 1 October 2002). Meanwhile, the CIA had launched a smear campaign representing Aristide as "mentally unstable" (Boston Globe, 21 Sept 1994).

The 1994 US Military Intervention

Following three years of military rule, the US intervened in 1994, sending in 20,000 occupation troops and "peace-keepers" to Haiti. The US military intervention was not intended to restore democracy. Quite the contrary: it was carried out to prevent a popular insurrection against the military Junta and its neoliberal cohorts.

In other words, the US military occupation was implemented to ensure political continuity.

While the members of the military Junta were sent into exile, the return to constitutional government required compliance to IMF diktats, thereby foreclosing the possibility of a progressive "alternative" to the neoliberal agenda. Moreover, US troops remained in the country until 1999. The Haitian armed forces were disbanded and the US State Department hired a mercenary company DynCorp to provide "technical advice" in restructuring the Haitian National Police (HNP).

"DynCorp has always functioned as a cut-out for Pentagon and CIA covert operations." (See Jeffrey St. Clair and Alexander Cockburn, Counterpunch February 27, 2002, http://www.corpwatch.org/issues/PID.jsp?articleid=1988 ) Under DynCorp advice in Haiti, former Tonton Macoute and Haitian military officers involved in the 1991 Coup d'Etat were brought into the HNP. (See Ken Silverstein, Privatizing War, The Nation, July 28, 1997, http://www.mtholyoke.edu/acad/intrel/silver.htm )

In October 1994, Aristide returned from exile and reintegrated the presidency until the end of his mandate in 1996. "Free market" reformers were brought into his Cabinet. A new wave of deadly macro-economic policies was adopted under a so-called Emergency Economic Recovery Plan (EERP) "that sought to achieve rapid macroeconomic stabilization, restore public administration, and attend to the most pressing needs." (See IMF Approves Three-Year ESAF Loan for Haiti, Washington, 1996, http://www.imf.org/external/np/sec/pr/1996/pr9653.htm ).

The restoration of Constitutional government had been negotiated behind closed doors with Haiti's external creditors. Prior to Aristide's reinstatement as the country's president, the new government was obliged to clear the country's debt arrears with its external creditors. In fact the new loans provided by the World Bank, the Inter-American Development Bank (IDB), and the IMF were used to meet Haiti's obligations with international creditors. Fresh money was used to pay back old debt leading to a spiraling external debt.

Broadly coinciding with the military government, Gross Domestic Product (GDP) declined by 30 percent (1992-1994). With a per capita income of $250 per annum, Haiti is the poorest country in the Western hemisphere and among the poorest in the world. (see World Bank, Haiti: The Challenges of Poverty Reduction, Washington, August 1998, http://lnweb18.worldbank.org/External/lac/lac.nsf/0/8479e9126e3537f0852567ea000fa239/$FILE/Haiti1.doc ).

The World Bank estimates unemployment to be of the order of 60 percent. (A 2000 US Congressional Report estimates it to be as high as 80 percent. See US House of Representatives, Criminal Justice, Drug Policy and Human Resources Subcommittee, FDHC Transcripts, 12 April 2000).

In the wake of three years of military rule and economic decline, there was no "Economic Emergency Recovery" as envisaged under the IMF loan agreement. In fact quite the opposite: The IMF imposed "stabilization" under the "Recovery" program required further budget cuts in almost non-existent social sector programs. A civil service reform program was launched, which consisted in reducing the size of the civil service and the firing of "surplus" State employees. The IMF-World Bank package was in part instrumental in the paralysis of public services, leading to the eventual demise of the entire State system. In a country where health and educational services were virtually nonexistent, the IMF had demanded the lay off of "surplus" teachers and health workers with a view to meeting its target for the budget deficit.

Washington's foreign policy initiatives were coordinated with the application of the IMF's deadly economic medicine. The country had been literally pushed to the brink of economic and social disaster.

The Fate of Haitian Agriculture

More than 75 percent of the Haitian population is engaged in agriculture, producing both food crops for the domestic market as well a number of cash crops for export. Already during the Duvalier era, the peasant economy had been undermined. With the adoption of the IMF-World Bank sponsored trade reforms, the agricultural system, which previously produced food for the local market, had been destabilized. With the lifting of trade barriers, the local market was opened up to the dumping of US agricultural surpluses including rice, sugar and corn, leading to the destruction of the entire peasant economy. Gonaives, which used to be Haiti's rice basket region, with extensive paddy fields had been precipitated into bankruptcy:

. "By the end of the 1990s Haiti's local rice production had been reduced by half and rice imports from the US accounted for over half of local rice sales. The local farming population was devastated, and the price of rice rose drastically " ( See Rob Lyon, Haiti-There is no solution under Capitalism! Socialist Appeal, 24 Feb. 2004, http://cleveland.indymedia.org/news/2004/02/9095.php ).

In matter of few years, Haiti, a small impoverished country in the Caribbean, had become the World's fourth largest importer of American rice after Japan, Mexico and Canada.

The Second Wave of IMF Reforms

The presidential elections were scheduled for November 23, 2000. The Clinton Administration had put put an embargo on development aid to Haiti in 2000. Barely two weeks prior to the elections, the outgoing administration signed a Letter of Intent with the IMF. Perfect timing: the agreement with the IMF virtually foreclosed from the outset any departure from the neoliberal agenda.

The Minister of Finance had sent the amended budget to the Parliament on December 14th. Donor support was conditional upon its rubber stamp approval by the Legislature. While Aristide had promised to increase the minimum wage, embark on school construction and literacy programs, the hands of the new government were tied. All major decisions regarding the State budget, the management of the public sector, public investment, privatization, trade and monetary policy had already been taken. They were part of the agreement reached with the IMF on November 6, 2000.

In 2003, the IMF imposed the application of a so-called "flexible price system in fuel", which immediately triggered an inflationary spiral. The currency was devalued. Petroleum prices increased by about 130 percent in January-February 2003, which served to increase popular resentment against the Aristide government, which had supported the implementation of the IMF economic reforms.

The hike in fuel prices contributed to a 40 percent increase in consumer prices (CPI) in 2002-2003 (See Haiti—Letter of Intent, Memorandum of Economic and Financial Policies, and Technical Memorandum of Understanding, Port-au-Prince, Haiti June 10, 2003, http://www.imf.org/external/np/loi/2003/hti/01/index.htm ). In turn, the IMF had demanded, despite the dramatic increase in the cost of living, a freeze on wages as a means to "controlling inflationary pressures." The IMF had in fact pressured the government to lower public sector salaries (including those paid to teachers and health workers). The IMF had also demanded the phasing out of the statutory minimum wage of approximately 25 cents an hour. "Labour market flexibility", meaning wages paid below the statutory minimum wage would, according to the IMF, contribute to attracting foreign investors. The daily minimum wage was $3.00 in 1994, declining to about $1.50- 1.75 (depending on the gourde-dollar exchange rate) in 2004.

In an utterly twisted logic, Haiti's abysmally low wages, which have been part of the IMF-World Bank "cheap labor" policy framework since the 1980s, are viewed as a means to improving the standard of living. In other words, sweatshop conditions in the assembly industries (in a totally unregulated labor market) and forced labor conditions in Haiti's agricultural plantations are considered by the IMF as a key to achieving economic prosperity, because they "attract foreign investment."

The country was in the straightjacket of a spiraling external debt. In a bitter irony, the IMF-World Bank sponsored austerity measures in the social sectors were imposed in a country which has 1,2 medical doctors for 10,000 inhabitants and where the large majority of the population is illiterate. State social services, which were virtually nonexistent during the Duvalier period, have collapsed.

The result of IMF ministrations was a further collapse in purchasing power, which had also affected middle income groups. Meanwhile, interest rates had skyrocketed. In the Northern and Eastern parts of the country, the hikes in fuel prices had led to a virtual paralysis of transportation and public services including water and electricity.

While a humanitarian catastrophe is looming, the collapse of the economy spearheaded by the IMF, has served to boost the popularity of the Democratic Platform, which had accused Aristide of "economic mismanagement." Needless to say, the leaders of the Democratic Platform including Andy Apaid --who actually owns the sweatshops-- are the main protagonists of the low wage economy."

http://globalresearch.ca/articles/CHO402D.html

Dirk
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Emillereid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-02-04 01:19 AM
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44. Thanks!
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Tinoire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-02-04 01:24 AM
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47. He eventually, partially did.
It was World Bank/IMF issues that tied up the Governors Island Talks

157. During the first three months of 1993, the Special Envoy, Dante Caputo, made several trips to Haiti and met with certain authorities appointed by those exercising power, General Cédras, various church representatives and with the Presidential Commission. In late March, Caputo suggested a six months deadline for the return of President Aristide, but the military hardened their position in response, with Prime Minister Bazin accusing the OAS and the UN of interference in domestic affairs. Caputo initiated new negotiations and in May announced his plan which called for the deployment of an international police force. The plan was subject to consent by all parties involved and to approval by the UN Security Council, prior to the return of President Aristide to the country. The plan also called for the appointment of a new Prime Minister to be designated by President Aristide and approved by Parliament. Not only that, but amnesty and guarantees for the military, along with a financial aid package of one billion dollars to be disbursed over a five-year period under programs to be prepared by a mission of experts from the World Bank, IDB, IMF and UNDP, were included.

http://www.cidh.oas.org/countryrep/EnHa94/eh94c3.htm

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HAITI
Noam Chomsky



Let's stay in Latin America and the Caribbean, which Henry Stimson called "our little region over here which has never bothered anyone." Jean-Bertrand Aristide was elected president of Haiti in what's been widely described as a free and democratic election. Would you comment on what's happened since?

When Aristide won in December 1990 (he took office in February, 1991), it was a big surprise. He was swept into power by a network of popular grassroots organizations, what was called Lavalas-the flood-which outside observers just weren't aware of (since they don't pay attention to what happens among poor people). There had been very extensive and very successful organizing, and out of nowhere came this massive popular organization that managed to sweep their candidate into power.

The US was willing to support a democratic election, figuring that its candidate, a former World Bank official named Marc Bazin, would easily win. He had all the resources and support, and it looked like a shoe-in. He ended up getting 14% of the vote, and Aristide got about 67%. The only question in the mind of anybody who knows a little history should have been, How is the US going to get rid of Aristide? The disaster became even worse in the first seven months of Aristide's office. There were some really amazing developments.

Haiti is, of course, an extremely impoverished country, with awful conditions. Aristide was nevertheless beginning to get places. He was able to reduce corruption extensively, and to trim a highly bloated state bureaucracy. He won a lot of international praise for this, even from the international lending institutions, which were offering him loans and preferential terms because they liked what he was doing.

Furthermore, he cut back on drug trafficking. The flow of refugees to the US virtually stopped. Atrocities were reduced to way below what they had been or would become. There was a considerable degree of popular engagement in what was going on, although the contradictions were already beginning to show up, and there were constraints on what he could do.

All of this made Aristide even more unacceptable from the US point of view, and we tried to undermine him through what were called-naturally-"democracy-enhancing programs." The US, which had never cared at all about centralization of power in Haiti when its own favored dictators were in charge, all of a sudden began setting up alternative institutions that aimed at undermining executive power, supposedly in the interests of greater democracy. A number of these alleged human rights and labor groups became the governing authorities after the coup, which came on September 30, 1991.


<snip>

http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Chomsky/ChomskyOdonian_Haiti.html

Anyway, snipped from the article is how Aristide ended up with Marc Bazin around his neck, as Prime Minister implementing all of the IMF/World Bank's demands. Marc Bazin was, by the way, a World Bank official, not just some nobody. Aristide and the people finally got tired of it all and repudiated the lot of them not caring any longer about kow-towing to Washington & France.

Destabilization.

Demonization.

Coup.

Jesse Helms and the other vile reptiles win.
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burrowowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-02-04 12:57 AM
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37. Hello Dirk!
You hit the nail on the head! A quand l'Internationale!
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einniv Donating Member (260 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-02-04 02:16 AM
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66. I don't think you are allowed to say that
"But it's not just Bush, it's the DLC, too."

I think someone said that your head will be danced on come november for saying such things.

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stevedeshazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-02-04 12:49 AM
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32. Stepping-stone to Venezuela
Like having a moon base to go to Mars.

Haiti is like a moon base to invade Venezuela.

Lookie here:



There's no oil in Haiti, but there's LOTS of oil in Venezuela. They are saber-rattling with Hugo Chavez and Fidel Castro.
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Matilda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-02-04 01:36 AM
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54. Cuba's next, I'm sure.
Look how close it is.
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einniv Donating Member (260 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-02-04 01:22 AM
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46. I think that part of it is perhaps a payback to France.
I said this above so I'll keep it brief.

France gets back in to Haiti = France doesn't haul Blair into court for the blatant theft of their oil contracts.

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burrowowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-02-04 12:21 AM
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22. Heard part of Democracy Now
while going to the hospital to take care of my Dad.
I am just sick and they let that fucktard Avril out of prison.
Bu$h must be IMPEACHED! As the Black Caucus suggested: call, fax, e-mail the State Department, the White House, your Reps, your Sens. This 5th coup d'etat by Bu$h and Co is: High Crimes and Misdemenors!
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Rowdyboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-02-04 12:31 AM
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28. It sounds night-marish...
What evils have now been unleashed and what suffering will result....
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annagull Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-02-04 01:32 AM
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52. this makes me so sick
how the hell does Bushco* get away with justifying this abomination---seems like even the normally compliant press would see thru this charade with guys like Champlain and Avril demanding to be part of the new government. Thank you for the translation, Tinoire. I know this must be so difficult for you, but just know so many of us will be emailing, faxing the State Dept, Congress and even the WH about this atrocity.
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Tinoire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-02-04 02:38 AM
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71. Thank you Annagull! From the bottom of my heart. Thank you!
I know that we will force a new tomorrow for us and the innocent humans caught in the wheels of all this greed. Thanks my friend :hug:
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