Papal message seeks "global authority" for economy

[denverbill]

Source: Reuters

VATICAN CITY (Reuters) – Pope Benedict on Tuesday called for a "world political authority" to manage the global economy and for more government regulation of national economies to pull the world out of the current crisis and avoid a repeat.

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The pope said every economic decision has a moral consequence and called for "forms of redistribution" of wealth overseen by governments to help those most affected by crises.

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The pope appeared to back government intervention "in correcting errors and malfunctions" in the economy, saying "one could foresee an increase in the new forms of political participation, nationally and internationally."


Read more: http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20090707/ts_nm/us_pope_encyclical_2

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Damned commie.

[Rebubula]

1. As long as...

...the pope and his band of pedo priests stay out of it...I have no problem with this.

[Turbineguy]

2. And conveniently.....

the Catholic Church has a presence in just about every country.

[Submariner]

3. Pope Benny is a master snake oil salesman

He should have worked at AIG or on Wall Street. STFU you christofascist ahole.

[Zynx]

16. The Catholic Church's economic message has been legitimately left-wing for over a century now.

It gets buried in their cultural message.

[Joe Chi Minh]

52. There are some great articles on the encyclical on the Guardian cif "belief"

site, some predating it. It's on the Comment page.

[MichiganVote]

43. You got it.

[Myrina]

4. ... does he want to re-open the Bank of the Templars?

Geeez. :scared:

[bluesmail]

5. I'm pretty sure we've been living under one government. (NWO)

The question becomes for how long? Now that a fascist pope says he thinks it's a good idea, the re-vo-lu-tion is as good an idea.

[No Elephants]

6. Yeah, the Federal Reserve's been so great for the US, it should go global.

:sarcasm:

[Zynx]

18. Actually, most advanced economies' central banks did a worse job.

Our housing bubble was more modest than those in Britain, Australia, Ireland, Spain, Russia, etc. Our financial companies also are in better shape than their European peers.

Ironically, a lot of developing economies, of which I will exclude China because their economic situation appears a little unstable, that went through serious economic crises in the 1980s and 1990s had more stringent requirements for banks survived this reasonably well.

[musette_sf]

7. yawn, call me when Ratzo says that a "world political authority"

is needed to enforce the end of the oppression and marginalization of women worldwide.

he knows where to start. but no, he's got the Vatican Inquisition goons out after the US religious women who DARE to do more than scrub toilets and cook in the rectories. http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/02/us/02nuns.html

may the RCC in its current form die a painful death. there are millions of us who long to return to a Church where women are NOT marginalized and lesser-than.

[midnight]

46. Treating women as equals- a much better message

the church should be sending. Amen

[Lost-in-FL]

8. what? the divine authority proved useless? nt

[Deja Q]

13. Or, more likely, molesting little boys...

[bongbong]

9. Heads exploding?

It would be interesting to see the reaction of conservative Catholics, whom (probably) pretty much all whine about "evil world government", to this message from their leader.

[dflprincess]

45. You can check out the forums at Catholic.com to see how they're taking it

I haven't been able to bring myself to go over there for a while. It's pretty much made up of "more Catholic than the pope Catholics" and they really, really hate it when someone reminds them of the Acts of Mercy or the Sermon on the Mount.

They will find this truly distasteful and probably decide Benedict is senile.

[Mudoria]

10. Sorry... not interested in a "world authority" telling what to do about anything..

[Zynx]

17. The issue is that without global economic cooperation you'll end up with a repeat of the 2000s

in the financial markets some time down the road.

Countries will compete for the most lax controls on capital to attract it and it has such an easy time flowing with modern communications that there will be little to stop it without global cooperation.

[lumberjack_jeff]

11. The IMF was supposed to do that.

Instead, it has been co-opted by the very people who benefit from exploitation.

[damntexdem]

12. Yeah, communistic as they come.

Just objects to the atheism part. ;-)

[VaYallaDawg]

14. Go fix your church first, Bentdick. n/t

[defendandprotect]

15. Oh . . . I thought maybe he was going to give us some money . . .???

"Shoes of the Fisherman" was on TV again recently -- I don't think it's been

seen on TV for decades!!!

The stuff I've seen on TV recently must be making young people insane --

anyone letting kids watch TV these days has to be out of their head --

[Joe Chi Minh]

19. Pope proposes new financial order guided by ethics

Source: The Age

July 8, 2009 - 7:10AM

"Pope Benedict XVI has called for a new world financial order guided by ethics, dignity and the search for the common good in the third encyclical of his pontificate.

In Charity in Truth, Benedict denounced the profit-at-all-cost mentality of the globalised economy and lamented that greed had brought about the worst economic downturn since the Great Depression.

"Profit is useful if it serves as a means toward an end," he wrote. "Once profit becomes the exclusive goal, if it is produced by improper means and without the common good as its ultimate end, it risks destroying wealth and creating poverty."

He called for reform of the United Nations and international economic and financial institutions to give poorer countries more of a a voice in international policy. There is an "urgent need (for) a true world political authority" that can manage the global economy, guarantee the environment is protected and bring about food security for the poor, he said.

The document, in the works for two years and repeatedly delayed to incorporate the fallout from the crisis, was released one day before leaders of the Group of Eight industrialised nations meet to coordinate efforts to deal with the global meltdown.

The release was clearly designed to give world leaders a strong moral imperative to correct errors of the past, "which wreaked such havoc on the real economy," and make a more socially just and responsible world financial order.

The German-born Benedict, 82, has spoken out frequently about the impact of the crisis on the poor, particularly in Africa. But the 144-page encyclical, one of the most authoritative documents a pope can issue, marked a new level of church teaching by linking the Vatican's long-standing doctrine on caring for the poor with current events."



Read more: http://business.theage.com.au/business/pope-proposes-new-financial-order-guided-by-ethics-20090708-dc5w.html

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This is one of many articles on Pope Benedict's encyclical, Charity In Truth, published today, which are currently viewable on Google. The author cites excerpts from the encyclical, with prefatory and concluding comments:

[Confusious]

20. HHHMmmm

Ethics, Catholic Church....


Catholic Church, Ethics....


HMMMMMM......


Don't see the relationship.......

I just might be a little dense today.

[Joe Chi Minh]

23. Well, instead of making facile comments on the Church, why not read the article

and pick the excerpts quoted from Benedict's encyclical to pieces. It must be full of nonsense, mustn't it?

[nyc 4 Biden]

25. Why read the article? It's simple...

See a thread involving the Church = Attack

Get with the program already.

<sarcasm>

[AllTooEasy]

27. Hey I'm Catholic

We may be the largest charitable organization in the world.

Okay, the people RUNNING the church may be F'ed in the head, but us folks in the pews are good people!

Plus, a true Catholic is a BLEEDING HEART LIBERAL...take that Rush!

True story, one of my male ancesters was a slave on a Protestant run plantation. After he was freed, he noticed that the slave owners were Protestant and the Northern abolishionists were Catholic. He switched right away and my family decended from his line genetically and religiously.

...good thing he didn't notice that the Amish were also abolishionist.

[MichiganVote]

41. Charitable to all but those the church and its priests and its Bishops harm the most. Sick.

edit/spell

[MichiganVote]

21. Because the catholic Church has such a strong record on 'ethics'.....

:eyes:

[Joe Chi Minh]

22. It's a million tmes better than that of atheists, for sure.

[MercutioATC]

24. Oh, really?

I was staying out of this but you HAD to bring atheism into it...


How were the Crusades, the Salem witch trials and, more recently, a widescale coverup of child abuse "a million times better" than the actions of atheists?

[Earth_First]

31. +1 n/t

[AllTooEasy]

33. Stalin (world's greatest mass murderer) was an atheist

...and he killed more people than Hitler (fact - 21 million people). Atheist just aren't as organize with their atrocities as non-atheists.
:rofl:

Don't get me criticizing atheists...I love my progressive heathens just as much as I love my heaven bound, bleeding heart Catholics
:grouphug:

[MercutioATC]

35. Actually, neither Stalin nor Hitler were atheist.

Stalin reversed bans against the Church during WWII and even had the religious icon "Our Lady of Kazan" borne in procession through the streets. He brought priests to the camps and reopened the Churches.

Hitler made numerous statements indicating a belief in a higher power.

"What we must fight for is to safeguard the existence and the reproduction of our race...so that our people may mature for the fulfillment of the mission allotted it by the creator of the universe...Peoples that bastardize themselves, or let themselves be bastardized, sin against the will of eternal Providence."

"The folkish-minded man, in particular, has the sacred duty, each in his own denomination, of making people stop just talking superficially of God's will, and actually fulfill God's will, and not let God's word be desecrated. For God's will gave men their form, their essence and their abilities. Anyone who destroys His work is declaring war on the Lord's creation, the divine will."

He advocated a "Positive Christianity"...traditional Christianity modified to conform to his political priorities.

[Joe Chi Minh]

53. Wrong. They both were. Though there seems to have been some evidence

or allegations that, like Reagan and Thatcher, Hitler was intrigued by some New Age guff.

[Joe Chi Minh]

50. Sorry not nearly as many "infidels" slaughtered by Savonarola as by

Hitler and Stalin, to name but two.

So you think the number of pedophile atheists would pale into insignificance, eh? Well, well. Who'd a thunk?

[MichiganVote]

38. Really? And the athiests have the secret documents under lock and key at the Vatican do they?

Of course its the athiests who have paid out millions and millions of dollars in hush money too? Its not as if they HAVE to tell the poor sodding parishoners their donations are going to defend Father Hands In His Pants.

Naturally the convents and seminaries that the athiest's run are teeming with ethics violations, No?

Just think of all those poor Native American children in the orphanages in Canada that the athiest's have riddled with abuse...oh wait that the was the Catholic Church again...oops!

[ima_sinnic]

47. what does that even mean?

the Holocaust was implemented by a madman who professed to be a "Christian" (Catholic, I believe, but I might be wrong). Our own holocaust of Native Americans and Africans was perpetuated by "god-fearing," pious scumbags who considered their own mythology superior to the mythologies of those others.

[anonymous171]

28. Probably better than the most financial institutions' records nt

[MichiganVote]

39. Then you have not been reading the Italian papers for the last decade.

[rpannier]

30. Nice

Never bothered to read what he had to say I take it

or do you disagree with the Pope and think that the poor should be financing the lavish lifestyles of the wealthy -- which is one of the many things the Church has criticized and many people here have been saying for years is the problem

[MichiganVote]

40. The day I believe ANYTHING the Pope or the Catholic Church has to say..

I'll vote for Newt Gingrich for President. Pandering to the populace is something the republicans learned from the finest- the Catholic Popes.

Not likely.

edited to correct spelling and to suggest you got to confession for all those bad thoughts of me.

[AllentownJake]

26. So we have the church supporting workers rights

and some on here want to launch into a tirade on the church?

Seems to me there should be cheering? :shrug:

[pattmarty]

29. Just do ONE thing and quit fucking the kids. On everything else just shut the fuck up.

[rpannier]

32. Didn't bother to read it

Did you

[pattmarty]

36. Didn't need to. I was born & raised a Catholic.

[rpannier]

37. Then your comment adds nothing to the article

Having been born and raised Catholic does not make your comment in any way relevant or germane to the topic being discussed.

[MichiganVote]

42. And reading one article hardly makes this Pope a saint....get a reality check.

[Joe Chi Minh]

54. That's a good one. A prize one! "A reality check". Tee hee.

[pattmarty]

44. Well, I think you're wrong. I have "experience" as a Catholic..................

............Probably a good many of people that frequent DU could have written the noble words of the "pope paper" in one or maybe two paragraphs, and it would have been taken with as the same ho-hum this was. Let's just say, I go by actions and the actions (over the last 2000 years) say a lot more than a four paragraph encyclical.

[Joe Chi Minh]

51. Everything's got be six inches below the belt, hasn't it? Boy, do you show your colours.

Tell us why you're really angry with the Catholic Church.

[Joe Chi Minh]

57. What the many good priests, nuns and lay-people do in this world

isn't of any interest to you people at all, is it?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/belief/2009/jul/04/honduras-coup-micheletti-catholic

[Joe Chi Minh]

58. If it were not for the vile paedophile priests, their incredible recycling

to different parishes, etc, and the unspeakable cover-ups, would you and your atheist pals have been interested in Benedict's encyclical, Caritas in Veritas? A completely rhetorical question, since we all know the answer to that.

But the fact that the paedopile-priest scandal is finally being dealt properly with by the Church is not going stop your hysterical rants on the subject, clearly designed as they are, to distract from any serious study of other matters also of the greatest significance to the whole world. Why? Because the real gripe of many militant atheists on here - an obsession that will not be assuaged - is the Roman Catholic Church's unwavering proscription against homosexual acts?

[anonymous171]

34. BUT CATHOLICISM IS EVIIIIIIL!

[MindPilot]

48. The Pope called for "forms of redistribution" of wealth overseen by governments

So does this mean the churches will start paying taxes?

[Joe Chi Minh]

55. What tiny minds you people have. Why not? People are repeatedly taxed all the time.

The Church being taxed on gifts from tax-payers would be nothing revolutionary, would it? Perhaps it is taxed. I expect it is in the UK.

[NashVegas]

49. Kind of Like the WTO? IMF?

We need that like we need privatized SS.

[Joe Chi Minh]

56. No. The Pope contends that the smaller countries should have a democratic say in

the big international bodies. They are a travesty of internationalism at present.