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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 06:06 PM
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13 Doctors Demand Inquest Into Dr. David Kelly's Death ("I think highly likely he was assassinated")
Edited on Sun Jul-12-09 06:55 PM by Hissyspit
Source: Daily Mail

13 doctors demand inquest into Dr David Kelly's death

By GLEN OWEN and MILES GOSLETT
12th July 2009

The death of Government scientist David Kelly returned to haunt Labour today as a group of doctors announced that they were mounting a legal challenge to overturn the finding of suicide. Dr Kelly's body was found six years ago this week in woods close to his Oxfordshire home, shortly after he was exposed as the source of a BBC news report questioning the grounds for war in Iraq. Unusually, no coroner's inquest was held into his death.

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Critics regarded the report as a 'whitewash', and Mr Blair remains acutely sensitive to the accusation that he has 'blood on his hands' over the scientist's death. But now a team of 13 specialist doctors has compiled a detailed medical dossier that rejects the Hutton conclusion on the grounds that a cut to the ulnar artery, which is small and difficult to access, could not have caused death.

It will be used by their lawyers to demand a formal inquest and the release of Dr Kelly's autopsy report, which has never been published. It will also be sent to Sir John Chilcot's forthcoming inquiry into the Iraq War. The 12-page opinion, a copy of which has been seen by The Mail on Sunday, concludes: 'The bleeding from Dr Kelly's ulnar artery is highly unlikely to have been so voluminous and rapid that it was the cause of death.

'We advise the instructing solicitors to obtain the autopsy reports so that the concerns of a group of properly interested medical specialists can be answered.'

Read more: http://www.mailonsunday.co.uk/news/article-1199109/13-doctors-demand-inquest-Dr-David-Kellys-death.html



'I think it is highly likely he was assassinated'

From Bob Coen on Mark Crispin Miller's Site:

Hi Mark -

The mysterious death of David Kelly is the story that won't go away--and our
Anthrax War/Dead Silence investigation is helping keep it alive.

See this piece in today's Mail on Sunday ahead of our UK premiere screening
on Friday at the Frontline Club in London, on the sixth anniversary of Kelly's death.

On the screening:

http://frontlineclub.com/events/2009/07/screening---anthrax-war.html




Not forgotten: The sign marking Dr Kelly's grave in an Oxfordshire churchyward


Thom Yorke's "Harrowdown Hill"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QBXYIkE-0Jg&feature=PlayList&p=EB031373D4C0DE72&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=7

Don’t walk the plank like I did
You will be dispensed with
when you’ve become inconvenient

Up on Harrowdown Hill
The way you used to go to school
That’s where I am
That’s where I'm lying down

Did I fall or was I pushed?
did I fall or was I pushed?
And where’s the blood?
And where’s the blood?

But I'm coming home
I’m coming home
To make it alright,
so dry your eyes

We think the same things at the same time
We just can’t do anything about it

We think the same things at the same time
We just can’t do anything about it

So don’t ask me, ask the ministry
Don’t ask me, ask the ministry

We think the same things at the same time
There are so many of us
So you can’t count

We think the same things at the same time
There are so many of us
So you can’t count...

Can you see me when I am running?
Can you see me when I am running?
Away from there...
Away from there...

I can’t take the pressure
No one cares if you live or die
They just want me gone
They want me gone

And I'm coming home
I'm coming home
To make it all right
so dry your eyes
We think the same things at the same time
We just can’t do anything about it

We think the same things at the same time
There are too many of us so you can’t
There are too many of us so you can’t count...

It was me walking to the back of Harrowdown Hill
It was me walking to the back of Harrowdown Hill

It was a slippery, slippery, slippery slope
It was a slippery, slippery, slippery slope
I felt me slipping in and out of consciousness
I felt me slipping in and out of consciousness

I feel me...
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Jeep789 Donating Member (935 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 06:16 PM
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1. k&r
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 06:38 PM
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7. MORE:
But the doctors draw on their specialist knowledge of human anatomy to argue in detail that a wound to this artery could not have resulted in enough blood loss to cause his death.

‘This artery has the width of a matchstick in its constricted state,’ they write.

‘It is not easily felt on the little finger side of the wrist... on the contrary, the radial artery
pulse is easily felt beneath the skin on the opposite side of the wrist. It is thus more
difficult to cut the ulnar artery.’

They go on to argue that, according to the evidence given by Dr Hunt to Lord Hutton’s
inquiry, Dr Kelly’s blood would have quickly clotted, thus stemming the flow and preventing his death.

They write: ‘Dr Hunt describes complete severance of this artery, ie transection. This
means the elasticity of the artery would have caused it to retract within its sheath.

‘Contraction of the circular smooth muscle within the arterial wall would have narrowed the artery, thus reducing or stopping blood flow.

Blood clots would have formed in the wound, but also within the narrowed artery.

- snip -

The doctors cite a number of studies which they say prove for ‘all practical purposes’ that suicide using the means allegedly adopted by Dr Kelly ‘does not exist in Britain’.

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Jeep789 Donating Member (935 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 07:27 PM
Response to Reply #7
12. Same thing we've been saying since it happened
Hope something comes of this.
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outsourceCEOs Donating Member (3 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 10:37 PM
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32. NBC News: Members of Congress Angry Over Being Kept in Dark on CIA Secret Program
did darth cheney's team bump-off Dr. David Kelly?

i'm sure the department of law is looking into it :evilgrin:
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 11:10 PM
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36. Tony Blair;s team
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nolabels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 11:47 PM
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43. ABC News : Former Agents Say Stop Picking on the CIA
(snip)
Former spies and some political leaders are saying that a lack of trust between Congress and the CIA is putting the county's security in jeopardy.
(snip)
http://www.abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=8065636&page=1
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humanahumana Donating Member (26 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 11:54 PM
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45. guess some heads should roll at the CIA and the former admin, beginning with DARTH
but i am sure they will get away with just blaming their evil deeds on nancy pelosi :crazy:
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nolabels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 05:51 AM
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55. Darth at one time at least could drive his own pod racer and started out with good intentions
That viper Aka. Dick Cheney was plainly just born evil
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Duer 157099 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 06:28 PM
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2. Has Sy Hersh commented on this yet?
One wonders about the purported Cheney death squads.
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 06:31 PM
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3. When I heard about the possibility that Dick Cheney was running an assassination ring,
Edited on Sun Jul-12-09 06:32 PM by Old and In the Way
this is the 1sy guy I wondered about.
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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 07:10 AM
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58. I wonder if they might have done a job on Margie Schoedinger that would bring in the Chimpster!
Edited on Mon Jul-13-09 07:45 AM by cascadiance
... as being potentially involved in Darth's "squad"...

Still have to work out whether she really committed suicide as well, or if there was any validity to her claims that Bush raped her!

http://www.opednews.com/thoreau1103bush_rape_suicide.htm

Probably could find a dozen more mysterious "suicides" potentially linked to this crew!

Other suspicious deaths to look into, though some here might be pushing it as to whether Cheney's squad might have been involved:
- Paul Wellstone - mysterious plane crash
- Mike Connell - another mysterious plane crash
- Benazir Bhutto - recall she'd just said something about Osama's "death", and others had rumored her as linked to providing North Korea nuke secrets... Probably BS though on the latter.
- Pat Tillman? - likely not, but still we need to know more, and executive privilege was claimed in keeping info on this shrouded... Though his hit squad probably didn't kill him. Perhaps his "coverup crew" was involved in keeping it quiet.
- Gary Webb - wrote book on CIA drug trafficking...
- Ken Lay - still wonder though if he' sipping drinks on a beach in the Caymans though...

And perhaps Cheney's crew was involved in the attempts on Chavez as well... Pat Robertson seemed to want to bless the idea anyway...

More mysterious deaths to look into:
http://www.altacocker.com/other_items/bush-strange_deaths.html

David Kelly's death though always has been one that I really wanted to see them get to the bottom of. I still think that there's something Fishy there that needs to be known that was covered up.
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Sanity Claws Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 06:34 PM
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4. What would happen if it was found that Darth Vader was involved?
Mere diplomatic row? Demand for extradition of Darth Vader? Hmmm.
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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 06:34 PM
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5. Sy Hersh
http://www.minnpost.com/ericblackblog/2009/03/11/7310/investigative_reporter_seymour_hersh_describes_executive_assassination_ring

Investigative reporter Seymour Hersh describes 'executive assassination ring'


snip

"Congress has no oversight of it. It’s an executive assassination ring essentially, and it’s been going on and on and on. Just today in the Times there was a story that
its leaders, a three star admiral named McRaven, ordered a stop to it because there were so many collateral deaths.

"Under President Bush’s authority, they’ve been going into countries, not talking to the ambassador or the CIA station chief, and finding people on a list and executing
them and leaving. That’s been going on, in the name of all of us.
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PainPerdu Donating Member (93 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 08:10 PM
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18. Executive Assassins- R- U.S.
Edited on Sun Jul-12-09 08:11 PM by PainPerdu
So, why wage war on the entire country of Iraq if Saddam could have been deposed (and disposed of) by the "TERMINATORS"?
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mnhtnbb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 10:05 PM
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29. Lots of money to be made by defense contractors blowing up and then rebuilding.
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AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 11:25 PM
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37. The point of attacking Iraq...

was to have our bases built there so that they did not have to be centered in Saudi Arabia. Also, the neocons wanted to gain access to the oil.
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gvstn Donating Member (485 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 11:15 AM
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67. The story in a nutshell! n/t
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Barrymores Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 11:27 AM
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68. Is that a rhetorical question?
In a politically-driven, war-based economy, the way to profits is to blow someone's shit up and then use private contractors to build more of that same shit. It doesn't benefit our society at large, but a handful of corporations, their subsidiaries and their shareholders make out like bandits.

You DO get that, right?
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Qutzupalotl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 11:43 AM
Response to Reply #18
70. All of the above, plus he really was hard to get to.
Add to that the possibility of "sever" punishment if discovered, and you won't get a lot of volunteers for that duty.
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 06:35 PM
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6. Well, no shit. nt
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 06:51 PM
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8. the book "Dead Silence" is totally worth a read.
from the Buzzflash review:

What is revealed in Dead Silence . . .
http://www.buzzflash.com/store/reviews/1663

The 2001 anthrax attacks—despite the FBI’s claim that the case is closed—remain fundamentally unsolved to this day.


Experts are split on evidence linking Bruce Ivins to the attack powders and say he lacked the skill set and equipment necessary to produce the anthrax sent to Senators Patrick Leahy and Tom Daschle. Because Ivins killed himself before being formally charged, the evidence against him will never be tested in court.


Citing “national security” grounds, the FBI has refused to tell Congress which U.S. laboratories are capable of making weaponized anthrax, which Senator Leahy has publicly criticized.


Wouter Basson, a.k.a. Dr. Death, headed the apartheid-era germ war program in South Africa, which provided germ weapons to assassination squads. He received key assistance from U.S. and U.K. bio-defense establishments. Anthrax stocks from that program may be for sale on the black market today.



Suspicious sudden deaths: Bruce Ivins, David Kelly, Vladimir Pasechnik—all anthrax specialists who may have known too much.


Dead Silence is the first to link the deaths of these key germ-war experts, dating back to the 1953 demise of scientist Frank Olson, who was working with the CIA and fell from the 13th floor of a New York hotel, and was almost certainly murdered.



Since the anthrax attacks, “biodefense” has become big business. What used to be the work of a handful of top-secret government labs is now a cash cow—with private enterprise reaping big contracts in “anti-terror” programs worth more than $50 billion.


This money has flowed to politically connected corporations and foundations associated with the highest levels of the Clinton, Bush, and Obama administrations.


Emergent Biosolutions has government contracts worth nearly a billion dollars for the anthrax vaccine—mandatory for U.S. soldiers deployed overseas. In recent years, the company has hired as lobbyists top aides to former Vice President Dick Cheney. Many soldiers say the vaccine is making them sick and is linked to Gulf War Syndrome diseases.


Southwest Foundation for Bio-Medical Research (SFBR) runs the world’s only privately held Bio-Safety 4 laboratory where the most dangerous pathogens in the world are handled. Until recently, the president of the foundation was John Kerr, a close personal friend of former President George W. Bush. SFBR refuses to say what research they are conducting for the U.S. government.


Human Genome Sciences Corporation recently received a $1.8 billion contract from the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services to help the government stockpile anti-anthrax antibodies. One of its directors is Richard Danzig, former Secretary of the Navy (under Bill Clinton) and a national security advisor to President Obama. He is rumored to be next in line as Secretary of Defense.

Buy liberally!
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BunkerHill24 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 06:57 PM
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9. This is getting more and more interesting.....Keep 'Em coming
K&R
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Dover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 07:03 PM
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10. Hey, whatever happened to Britain's top spy who was found near death?
Remember that story? The guy was pretty gregarious, was a 'dead head' fan, was active on his website and was apparently found in a coma or had a head injury if I recall correctly..though it was rather fuzzy. A neighbor found him in his home. I might have missed the followup, but never did hear anymore about it.
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 07:31 PM
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13. Who was that British woman who "fell" out of a skyscraper? I had forgotten about her.
Edited on Sun Jul-12-09 07:32 PM by Hissyspit
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 11:31 PM
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38. she was Katherine Ward a lawyer..I think she worked for Rolls Royce.
Edited on Sun Jul-12-09 11:31 PM by flyarm
pictures of her jumping from a ledge of a hotel in London were printed in I think a couple of Brit newspapers..there was lots of controversy over the pictures...I remember reading it in Brit papers while in London...cause someone ( can't remember who ) sued over the pictures.
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 07:56 AM
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62. I remember there was some other controversy about her when she died
besides the photo's but i can't remember what..i will try checking through my files for what i have on her..i remember dissecting this quite a bit at the time.
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 08:09 AM
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63. ahhh Seemslike a dream had this posted ..1/6/06
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x67141

taken from a thread by Seemslikeadream...1/06/06

So was this jumper Abramoff's X??

http://p216.ezboard.com/frigorousintuitionfrm10.showMes...

from emad

Abramoff a whore for more than one bunch of TheoCon lunatics
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
A former journo colleague of mine who works at The Scotsman is currently digging away at the Abramoff link to 'suicided' London-based US lawyer Katherine Ward.

See Wednesday's UK news about the suicide: www.timesonline.co.uk/art...6,00.ht...

Ward was reputedly a former business consultant to Abramoff during Bush1/Quayle's unsucessful 1992 WH Campaign and in 1996 his official client adviser to UK-based Republicans Abroad campaigning for election funds to get Clinton out of office.


TWO items of information doing the press rounds in London at the moment. No1 is that Ward was briefly married to Abramoff in 1972, marriage dissolved after seven months. No2 is that Ward provided Abramoff with client connections to wealthy Opus Dei members in New York, some of whom were major financial contributors to the funding of the newly erected $40million+ Opus Dei HQ building in Manhattan.

I can't believe that Abramoff was a one man show.

He may have done a plea bargain to name names in his client list.

WHO actually hired him in the first place is probably closer to Fitzie's investigation than anyone else's.

Karl Rove and Joseph Ratzinger must be shitting themselves, IMHO

also in the above link & thread see this post......

Dunvegan (1000+ posts) Fri Jan-06-06 01:57 PM
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18. Kath Ward is an interesting person.
Katherine Ward did live alone, and it is hardly unknown for those living alone to less support available when depressed. However, she was also planning in the near future to move into a home she was at the time of her suicide remodeling, and had travel plans for the near future. Interesting travel plans that included Oman.

From the Times Online article:

She had also said that she was intending to go on holiday in three weeks to Oman with her best friend. She was also due to fly to California for her father’s 90th birthday next week.

Miss Ward was born in California, where she married and divorced. She trained as an attorney in America and worked for the US law firm Pepper, Hamilton & Scheetz before moving to Britain in the mid-1980s where she qualified in corporate law.

She then worked with the multinational partnership McFadden, Pilkington & Ward. In 1997 she was poached by Rolls-Royce Power Ventures, a subsidiary of the main Rolls-Royce company, and became the head of the company’s legal department.

Miss Ward was a member of the International Bar Association (IBA) and had attended a recent IBA conference in the Mexican resort of Cancún as an expert on corruption.

Interesting.

Also, at that International Bar Association conference in Cancun this was the title of her paper:

Report of the IBA Working Group on Corruption at the International Bar Association Annual Meeting, September 2003

The presentation paper was reprinted in the "Oil, Gas & Law Intellegence" newsletter and journal.

So she was headed to Onan in three weeks with her best friend, and she was also considered an expert in oil and energy law and corruption.

Here's another reference to the above report:
http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:dyP68CjBjmIJ:archive...

Journal: International Business Lawyer Vol 32 No 1
Title: Conference Report: Report of the IBA Working Group on Corruption
Author: Katherine E Ward
Publish Date: Sunday, February 01, 2004
Section: Section on Business Law
Committee(s): (G) Business Organisations
No. of Pages: 4
Abstract: This report reviews the IBA 2003 Conference session of the IBA Working Group on Corruption, held on 17 September 2003 in San Francisco.

Speakers were Homer E Moyer Jr of Miller & Chevalier, Washington, DC, Alberto Gonzalez-Pita, Vice-President of International Legal & Regulatory Affairs for BellSouth International, Stephane Bonifassi, a member of the Paris Bar of Le Bray & Associates of Paris, and Timothy Dickinson of Dickinson Landmeier LLP of Washington, DC.

The speakers looked at the legislative provisions of the US Foreign Corrupt Practices Act, the draft UN Convention against Corruption, France’s implementation of the OECD Convention and the compliance programme introduced by BellSouth Latin America.


and this:

Dunvegan (1000+ posts) Fri Jan-06-06 03:23 PM
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28. Katherine Ward was also involved in a conference in 2005
Edited on Fri Jan-06-06 03:45 PM by Dunvegan
ACC Europe’s 2005 Annual Conference (PDF file)

19 –21 June 2005,
Conrad Hotel,Brussels

Protection of IP Assets in a Borderless Electronic World

Every business,small or large,local or multi-national,
must consider the implications of IP protection.
Take this opportunity to examine the primary global
framework for protecting different asset categories,and
get perspectives and practical advice in avoiding the
most common pitfalls for organizations doing businesses
across borders,with a focus on how electronic media
have significantly increased risks for organizations with
IP interests.

Other subjects presented were:

The Role, Function, & Culture of International In-house Counsel
Identity Crisis: Managing a Legal vs. Business Role
Navigating the Cross Border Labor Quagmire
Opening & Operating Foreign Offices & Subsidiaries
A Comparative Study of Corporate Governance Across Borders

Interesting.

I know from personal experience that once you begin professionally speaking at conferences (Example: one in Washington DC on Homeland Security where other speakers were Ralph Basham, Foggy Bottom spooks galore, military, and a gaggle of RAND and other mil/gov-think tankers) that one cannot help but take participation and publishing at these high-profile conferences very seriously.

After speaking and presenting at such venues, fear of scandal or error seems to be magnified so one tries to one's utmost to toe the line and walk the straight and narrow because of the profile you've established.

I suppose for ethical liberals this is not the same situation as a compromised conservative might have...but I wouldn't know, being on the no-ethical-choice-but-to-tell-the-truth liberal side of the coin.






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MissDeeds Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 07:23 PM
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11. I have felt that he was killed
from the get-go. The circumstances of his death were just so improbable. You have to imbibe in some serious Kool-Aid to think this was a suicide. Another innocent victim of Bush, Cheney, and Blair's lies.
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wroberts189 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 08:59 PM
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21. The details of the case stagger the imagination...


what I cannot get is the apparent families acceptance of it (as I remember)



Its just like the DC Madam ..she said she would never commit suicide and was going to name names.

Then she also supposedly committed suicide.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 07:41 PM
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14. K/R. I found that whole business very suspicious, myself. nt
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 07:53 PM
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15. recommend
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Lars39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 07:53 PM
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16. One of the many mysterious deaths of scientists.
Edited on Sun Jul-12-09 07:56 PM by Lars39
Wasn't the total in the 30s?

on edit: found this in my bookmarks, too. http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=3250686#3261292
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yorgatron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 08:09 PM
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17. K&R
Edited on Sun Jul-12-09 08:10 PM by yorgatron
lots of strange doings,many suspicious things happened around that time..
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 08:37 PM
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19. Thanks. nt
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 08:50 PM
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20. K&R
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 09:01 PM
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22. K&R
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RufusTFirefly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 09:02 PM
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23. La-la-la-la! Couldn't be true!


It would interfere with my fairy tale views of how the world works.

What bothers me most is that the people behind this stuff probably don't lose any sleep over it.
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Raster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 09:33 PM
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27. what bothers me is that way too many people don't want to know the truth,
because it interferes with their fairy tale view of how the world works. A couple of buildings here, a dead scientist about to spill the beans there. La-la-la couldn't be true.

Two things: (1) Yes, it could be true and it's most likely FAR FUCKING WORSE than we imagine; and

(2) People who murder people all as part of a days work tend not to lose any sleep over who they kill.
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 09:21 PM
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24. the truth... does it trickle, leak, flow or does it gush?
it all comes out
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 09:21 PM
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25. question Judith Miller under oath! She must have some info. It's hard to believe it was just
a coincidence that she was the last person to email Kelly.
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 11:34 PM
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39. Damn right Judith Miller should be put on the hottest seat ever till she comes clean on Dr Kelly!
i despise that scum bag woman..there is no doubt in my mind she was somehow involved..either in fingering where Dr Kelly was,.and when he was home..to someone..she should have been squeezed long ago..but it is never too late..someone needs to put that woman in a room and not let her out till she sings like a canary!
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Subdivisions Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 11:43 PM
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42. She is in the new film Anthrax War and seems willing to talk on the issue.
Edited on Mon Jul-13-09 12:02 AM by Subdivisions
Go to my post here for link to film:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=3965776&mesg_id=3966192

Edited to add: You can see Judith Miller in Anthrax War http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7hI78AAF_U">here at 7:20.
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 12:22 AM
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48. two words describe Miller: OPERATION MOCKINGBIRD!!
have the Aspens turned yet???????
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 07:38 AM
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60. she might have been a tool but she definitely needs to come clean who she was
working with/for. It's past time for the "aspens to turn"
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Subdivisions Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 11:42 PM
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41. Judith Miller comments on bio-weapons in the new documentary
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 09:26 PM
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26. Takes a lot of courage for these people to defy their government . . .
I applaud them -- great to see -- a great risk for them, I imagine.

This is only global fascism assassinating leaders and poisoning those trying to

reveal the truth.

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pleah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 09:51 PM
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28. K&R
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The abyss Donating Member (930 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 10:08 PM
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30. Every day more & more wake up!
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 10:15 PM
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31. If they only lived
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejCMK-pVfMA

Maybe things would be different
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arikara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 10:48 PM
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33. K, tried to R but it wouldnt let me
so glad to see the truth begin to trickle out. Will be even more happy to see the light shone on the truth of events hidden away far too long in the basement.
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femrap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 10:53 PM
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34. Maybe Karma is
readying the World for Secrets to be Exposed! It's due....long overdue.

All of the crap that our leaders have done will be aired. Those with all the money will be found to be cheaters. Our entire culture will be shown to be shallow and fraudulent.

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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 10:56 PM
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35. Thank you Hissyspit for a heartbreaking thread.
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Subdivisions Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 11:40 PM
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40. Woo-hoo!!! This is HUGH!!! I only wish there were some brave
people in this country who would question certain things, like Bruce Ivins death and the Antrax attacks, which were conveniently blamed on Mr. Ivins after he was suicided. 5 weeks later, they pinned the anthrax attacks on a man who wasn't able to defend himself and they closed the case.

ANYONE OUT THERE BRAVE ENOUGH TO EXPOSE THE MURDER OF DR. BRUCE IVINS??? DO YOU HEAR ME, AMERICANS?

I watch the new documentary http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQw1XMEL6To">Anthrax War at an exlusive screening yesterday in Dallas and anyone who wants a inside look at the bio-wars needs to see this film. The link takes you to the film on youtube recorded from a CBC broadcast. I guess the U.S. media doesn't want us to see it. Or, you can buy the DVD from this http://www.anthraxwar.com">website. Keep in mind while you watch it that bushco was innoculated with cipro prior to the anthrax attack while they let postal workers and others die from exposure.
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 11:47 PM
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44. K&R
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 11:59 PM
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46. A lot of DUers were very suspicious of Kelly's apparent suicide
And considering Tony Blair's lies about the lead up to the war, and his own secret Catholicism, I wouldn't put anything past him including murder.
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jeff30997 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 12:08 AM
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47. K&R
Great article.
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notadmblnd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 01:40 AM
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49. quite a coincidence Dr Kelly story coming out just as the VP's death squad is beingexposed.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 04:15 AM
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52. Perhaps there is a connection
the thing with death squads is that they often target people whose only crime is to hold views different from that of those that lead the death squads.
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pam4water Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 02:01 AM
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50. Better late then never but.... Still it's a little late.
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 09:08 AM
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65. it's part of the "game"..they run out the clock..and people forget all about it...and move on..
sort of like that "looking forward " bullshit.

However these fuckers all get put back on the " team " because no one is ever held accountable..and we have the same shit ..repeated over and over again..

wash , rinse , repeat..wash, rinse, repeat.......

and the new cheerleaders have no basis for what has come or been done before they caught on!
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 03:24 AM
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51. Such an inquest into his death is long overdue.
He was obviously murdered.
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Mari333 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 04:37 AM
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53. knr
i sure hope something comes of this. we always knew it was a whitewash on here.
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grillo7 Donating Member (243 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 05:04 AM
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54. This is well past due...
I think the circumstantial evidence is pretty incriminating, and fits the pattern of other convenient deaths in the past several years.
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tomp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 06:15 AM
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56. operation treadstone. nt
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soothsayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 06:28 AM
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57. Well, duh, but kinda' late, and sadly it will go nowhere.
But I'm glad they are at least bringing it up.
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Raster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 07:24 AM
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59. yep, kinda like that 9/11 thing.
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 07:50 AM
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61. "...the concerns of a group of properly interested medical specialists can be answered."
"...the concerns of a group of properly interested medical specialists can be answered."


That says it all. About every investigation, just replace the profession.
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myrna minx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 08:29 AM
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64. K&R n.t
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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 10:00 AM
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66. Can we just have a war crimes tribunal already!
Edited on Mon Jul-13-09 10:00 AM by Gregorian
Good god, it's like pulling teeth just to get that bastard rove to even show up. Throw these people in jail until we can find them a venue. I know that's totally unconstitutional, but look how many people are in jail for doing nothing. We know a million people were killed. God...


Oh yeah, this is good news. Thanks for posting.
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 11:29 AM
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69. Interesting This Comes Out Just As Light Is Being Shined On CHENEY'S ASSASSINS
Not saying this hit was carried out by that op, but you never know.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 11:58 AM
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71. Good of them to stand up and say so.
Let's hope it happens.
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 07:38 PM
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72. Kicking for more eyes. nt
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