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cal04 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 11:52 AM Original message |
Obama, Gates win on F-22 fighter jet vote |
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lindisfarne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 11:54 AM Response to Original message |
1. It's amazing it took so long - Chambliss's amendment completely ignored the Air Force's needs.n/t |
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B3Nut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 11:57 AM Response to Reply #1 |
2. It was a transparent example of bringing home pork. |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 12:03 PM Response to Reply #2 |
4. It is very tempting at a time where all the states are suffering |
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zipplewrath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 12:10 PM Response to Reply #2 |
5. You might be surprised |
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24601 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 07:09 PM Response to Reply #1 |
59. No disrespect intended, but it's not the Air Force's needs - it's |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 12:01 PM Response to Original message |
3. This is great news - I am aware that jobs will be lost, |
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 12:32 PM Response to Reply #3 |
9. ...and that can generate as many jobs or more. Hopefully. -nt |
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Optical.Catalyst (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 04:45 AM Response to Reply #3 |
46. Congress needs to cancel the whole F-22 program and transfer the money to clean, renewable energy |
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SpartanDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 12:11 PM Response to Original message |
6. I'm glad they decided not to waste this money |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 12:20 PM Response to Original message |
7. Obama wins and USAF pilots lose. n/t |
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 12:33 PM Response to Reply #7 |
11. When money is moved from point A to point B, somebody is going to lose, no matter where A and B are. |
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heliarc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 01:51 PM Response to Reply #7 |
18. I'm fighting for a world where we don't need USAF pilots |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 03:30 PM Response to Reply #18 |
22. Your best commercial pilots are not pick up crews |
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heliarc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 03:31 AM Response to Reply #22 |
45. So the USAF can retool their operation to train our commercial pilots then. |
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Hawkowl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 11:49 AM Response to Reply #22 |
58. HA! |
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Kolesar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 03:51 PM Response to Reply #18 |
28. Yay! With you all the way |
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proteus_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 05:32 PM Response to Reply #18 |
63. Utopians..... |
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Renew Deal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 02:32 PM Response to Reply #7 |
19. As far as I've seen the problem is with the F22 specifically |
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fujiyama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 02:38 PM Response to Reply #7 |
21. Yeah because Obama and Gates want to see AF pilots fail |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 03:35 PM Response to Reply #21 |
25. Deleted message |
HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 03:32 PM Response to Reply #7 |
23. Why does Obama hate the troops? |
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davepc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 12:27 PM Response to Original message |
8. So we wasted billions on the F-22 and at the end of the day still have a 30 year old fighter fleet |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 12:32 PM Response to Reply #8 |
10. Why bring up "An Inconvenient Truth" like worn out airframes! n/t |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 12:34 PM Response to Reply #8 |
12. I'm sure someone would be happy to sell us brand new fighter jets. |
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bahrbearian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 12:56 PM Response to Reply #8 |
15. The F-22 air frame is already failing. |
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FarCenter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 01:45 PM Response to Reply #8 |
17. F-18s? F-35s? |
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Posteritatis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 02:37 PM Response to Reply #8 |
20. Isn't the JSF slated to replace the F-16? |
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ieoeja (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 03:37 PM Response to Reply #8 |
27. They cancelled seventeen F-22s to build thousands of F-35s. So you have it exactly backwards. |
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Sen. Walter Sobchak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 06:13 PM Response to Reply #27 |
34. Thousands? |
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Zynx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 04:41 PM Response to Reply #8 |
33. There are better alternatives than the F-22. |
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IDFbunny (530 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 08:14 PM Response to Reply #8 |
36. The F35 should have been scraped instead. |
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anonymous171 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 03:53 PM Response to Reply #8 |
61. I'm all for replacing our old fleet. |
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 12:37 PM Response to Original message |
13. If I wanted 194 toys and Mom said I could have 187 only, I'd throw a hissy fit too. |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 12:54 PM Response to Original message |
14. If USAF doesn't need the F-22, then why does Israel need them? |
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ieoeja (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 03:35 PM Response to Reply #14 |
26. You mean the USAF won't have F-22s? I thought they were still getting 187? |
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Mudoria (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 12:58 PM Response to Original message |
16. This money will be better used for the F-35 which will be in production soon |
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tocqueville (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 04:09 PM Response to Reply #16 |
31. the F-35 is still basically a prototype and the F22 has serious flaws |
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KoKo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 03:34 PM Response to Original message |
24. We have to cut back and more F-22's than are needed are part of that.. Good News! |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 03:53 PM Response to Original message |
29. We don't need the F-22, and we don't need the F-35 either! |
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sutz12 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 03:56 PM Response to Original message |
30. I know this might cost a few jobs, but this is classic pork. |
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tocqueville (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 04:37 PM Response to Original message |
32. Buy Rafales instead... as a replacement for F16 |
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Wednesdays (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 07:08 PM Response to Original message |
35. K&R |
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mfeher1971 (19 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 08:23 PM Response to Reply #35 |
37. Peace is the only answer... |
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MadMaddie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 08:33 PM Response to Original message |
38. I don't know why anyone would defend this purchase |
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dipsydoodle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 08:43 PM Response to Original message |
39. US Senate halts F-22 jet funding |
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Fearless (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 08:43 PM Response to Reply #39 |
40. Good. It was plain stupid to begin with. |
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Dappleganger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 08:43 PM Response to Reply #39 |
41. Excellent news. |
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hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 08:43 PM Response to Reply #39 |
42. There's a lot more on my list of things I'd cut... |
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progressoid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 08:43 PM Response to Reply #39 |
43. Great. But don't stop there. |
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Cha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 09:51 PM Response to Original message |
44. Byrd showed up! |
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Heidi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 05:12 AM Response to Original message |
47. US Senate halts F-22 jet funding |
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The_Casual_Observer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 05:12 AM Response to Reply #47 |
48. It's about time. |
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Donnachaidh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 05:12 AM Response to Reply #47 |
49. heh -- Saxby Chambliss is probably sweating over this |
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Rhiannon12866 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 05:12 AM Response to Reply #47 |
50. K&R. Saw Barney Frank on this tonight, Rachel Maddow, I think. |
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lindisfarne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 05:12 AM Response to Reply #47 |
51. Dupe |
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Heidi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 05:12 AM Response to Reply #51 |
53. I've already alerted on myself. |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 05:12 AM Response to Reply #47 |
52. Well -- $2 billion down |
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Optical.Catalyst (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 05:12 AM Response to Reply #47 |
54. It is time to cancel the whole program, and moth ball the existing planes |
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Sherman A1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 05:12 AM Response to Reply #54 |
55. Agreed & Well Said |
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Anarcho-Socialist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 07:54 AM Response to Original message |
56. The US is avoiding the same mistake the UK did with the Eurofighter |
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Zech Marquis The 2nd (242 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 07:56 AM Response to Original message |
57. Good job by the Senate! |
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ohio2007 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 03:06 PM Response to Original message |
60. That leaves a lot of pork that can be stuffed into the F35 price tag "underestimate" of cost overrun... |
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mvd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 03:58 PM Response to Original message |
62. Very good |
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newsish (37 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-26-09 12:32 PM Response to Original message |
64. But Without the F22s, How Will We Defeat Cobra Command? |
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