Feds raid sex ring enslaving undocumented women

[AlphaCentauri]

Source: news day

More than 100 federal agents and police fanned out in Suffolk County, starting Monday morning shortly after midnight, in raids aimed at smashing a ring that allegedly enslaved women, forcing them to serve as sex workers in saloons that catered to undocumented immigrants, according to court documents and sources.

The law enforcement raids concentrated on two Suffolk County bars, several homes, and bank safe-deposit boxes, according to the court papers and sources.

The women, mainly from El Salvador and Honduras, were ostensibly hired to serve as waitresses in the bars and cantinas in Suffolk County, according to the court papers filed by federal prosecutors at the federal court in Central Islip and sources. Most of the women were undocumented and entered the country illegally on their own, but some were recruited in their native countries, some via advertising on the Internet.

The suspects "forced and conspired to force the victims to engage in various sex acts in exchange for money," according to court papers.

The prime focus of the raids was on two bars, or cantinas, in Suffolk County that are popular with undocumented workers, mainly from Central America: La Hija del Mariachi in Farmingville, and Sonidos de la Frontera in Ronkonkoma.


Read more: http://www.newsday.com/long-island/suffolk/feds-raid-sex-ring-enslaving-undocumented-women-1.1359677

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I think that if prostitution was legal none of this would happend and many killings and rapes could be prevented.
There are many man and woman who have trouble engaging in a relationship but they have physical needs like sex.

http://www.abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory?id=8291742

[TheWraith]

1. I mostly agree with you...

Exploitation like this still happens in countries where prostitution is legal, however without the work of trying to arrest the people who are just making a living, the police do have more time and resources to combat it.

[WriteDown]

2. Central Islip...

has really gone downhill in the last decade. I still have some family there and am amazed by the stories.

[RandySF]

3. It's rampant in San Francsico

But no one does anything unless it's time to get some media exposure.

[bertman]

4. Uhhhh. We're a CHRISTIAN nation. We don't talk about things relating to sex.

People who aren't married are not supposed to even THINK about sex. People who are married aren't supposed to even THINK about sex with anyone other than their spouse.

The bible tells me so.

Somebody please cover this thread up. It's naked and might arouse someone. Like Mark Sanford. Or John Ensign.

[WriteDown]

5. Does no one understand the difference between prositution...

and forced prostitution? Sheesh.

[RaleighNCDUer]

6. The point is, if there were licensed brothels and willing sex workers

these people would not be ABLE to enslave these women, because somebody would wind up reporting the unlicensed brothel. If there were legal brothels, the targeted customers would not have to frequent the illegal ones, and the illegal ones would cease to be profitable and would then go away.

[WriteDown]

7. Like casinos...

Of course there is no underground poker rooms or anything like that right? And there are no illegal firearms because they can be bought legally right?

Looks like somebody DID report this illegal slavery though.

[hedgehog]

9. "If there were legal brothels, the targeted customers would not have to

frequent the illegal ones"

This statement implies that somehow men are forced to have sex and must frequent brothels legal or otherwise.

Clearly, what is needed is better sex education. There is no such disease as DSB (Deadly Sperm Back-up)

[AlbertCat]

18. Look at Nevada! It's a paradise!

(oh, I suppose I better) :sarcasm:

[AlphaCentauri]

22. Also the legal prostitution in the porn industry n/t

[iverglas]

45. I'm sorry

but what actual facts do you base all this prophesizing on?

[ThomCat]

52. How do you propose that they keep those brothels staffed

and keep the prices low at the same time, without enslaving women? How much money would they have to offer to pay your daughter or her friends to make them want to become prostitutes? I imagine it would be so high a salary that the legal service would become available only to the very, very rich.

So if any man who isn't rich (most men) wants to use a prostitute they'd still be looking for cheap and/or illegal brothels. How do the cheap brothels get their women? Coerced illegal immigrants just like now?

So what exactly would change for most of these women?

I think you're proposing a fantasy, and skipping a whole lot of the complications and implications of this fantasy.

In the few places were prostitution is legal it hasn't been the solution people thought it would be. It's expensive to run well in a way treats women well, so it isn't prospering. Illegal prostitution is still thriving because there are still men who just want cheep access to women, and don't care whether or not the women are treated well. :(

[AlphaCentauri]

56. just follow the example of the prosperous Porn industry

how do they attract your daughter or sister to become a nude celebrity?

For many women to appear in a magazine nude is a dream.

[AlphaCentauri]

20. work is not only done by hand also can be done using the feet or maybe other organs

[WriteDown]

32. What the heck are you talking about?

Sounds kind of cuckoo.

[AlphaCentauri]

34. oops, wrong post

[WriteDown]

36. Thank goodness.

:)

[hedgehog]

8. "if prostitution was legal none of this would have happened"

That statement implies that men who patronize prostitutes are concerned for the sex workers and will only have sex with willing women. Yet, the article suggests that the people involved all speak the same language and all are from the same region and socio-economic class. Were the men involved all so ignorant that none of them realized that the women weren't willing prostitutes?

[RaleighNCDUer]

13. So the unwilling prostitute whispers to the customer "I came here

to be a waitress - tell the police", and the undocumented worker thinks "If I tell ANYONE about this, I'm going to be deported, or maybe even go to prison" and he does nothing. The men are constrained from reporting anything by their own situation.

It's about criminals exploiting both the women AND the customers. Having licensed brothels would not completely eliminate the problem but it would reduce it severely - particularly if the licensed brothel gets word of an UNlicensed one operating in the area. They'd make the call and have the competition shut down.

[WriteDown]

14. Sounds blatantly mysogynistic....

and it is.

[hedgehog]

15. Pfft! So the undocumented worker doesn't tell his buddies what's

going on? So he never ever returns and the place goes out of business?



For that matter, why are there sex slaves in Amsterdam?

http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/263117

Why haven't the licensed brothels shut down the unlicensed brothels that are cutting into their business?

[iverglas]

46. nooooo

There is no human trafficking where prostitution is legal. No organized crime involvement. Noooo.

Happy hookers, that's all there are in the Netherlands and Australia and all those places!

Have you looked into Sweden?

Selling sexual services is no longer illegal ... but buying sexual services is.

It seems to be working quite well. Trafficking in women is way down. Oops, that implies there was trafficking in women when buying and selling sexual services was legal. But noooo, that can't be.

http://www.justicewomen.com/cj_sweden.html

In a centuries deep sea of clichés despairing that 'prostitution will always be with us', one country's success stands out as a solitary beacon lighting the way. In just five years Sweden has dramatically reduced the number of its women in prostitution. In the capital city of Stockholm the number of women in street prostitution has been reduced by two thirds, and the number of johns has been reduced by 80%. There are other major Swedish cities where street prostitution has all but disappeared. Gone too, for the most part, are the renowned Swedish brothels and massage parlors which proliferated during the last three decades of the twentieth century when prostitution in Sweden was legal.

In addition, the number of foreign women now being trafficked into Sweden for sex is nil. The Swedish government estimates that in the last few years only 200 to 400 women and girls have been annually sex trafficked into Sweden, a figure that's negligible compared to the 15,000 to 17,000 females yearly sex trafficked into neighboring Finland. No other country, nor any other social experiment, has come anywhere near Sweden's promising results.

[redqueen]

108. Wow... thanks for that link. Very interesting. (nt)

[AlphaCentauri]

21. how could you know if the person won't tell you

like HIV, people have sex with partners they met that night and think they couldn't get the virus because they ask the most idiotic question: Are you clean, no HIV, no STDs?

[Gormy Cuss]

80. You could make an educated guess

that when the prices are so cheap that niceties like voluntary, healthy workers are not part of the package. You could concentrate on addressing your "physical needs," poor SOB that you are with no ability to masturbate,and ignore all of the obvious signs that the women are being exploited and just go ahead and pay for the sex anyway.

[peacetalksforall]

10. Whatever the law, it's about profit, vulnerability, exploitation and raw indecency of the

oldest and pathetic kind. Slavery, probably committed by those who say they oppose slavery.

[hedgehog]

16. One of the hardest things to realize is that often exploited people

are perfectly willing to exploit others!

[peacetalksforall]

17. Yes, the power of the 'message' and how it is processed and held in the brain.

[Hulk]

11. For those of us who are ignorant.....where the hell is Suffolk Country?

This whole story is sick. This sort of crap goes on all over the world, and those involved need to be put away.

If you need a prostitute, I've got my thoughts on that one that I'll save for another day.

[TommyPaine]

12. Central part of Long Island, NY (nt)

[AlphaCentauri]

24. Sodini hadn't had sex for almost 20 years

so he when crazy

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,537341,00.html

[iverglas]

48. please

Grow up.

Would you have had sex with Sodini?

Why is it society's obligation to make sure that cretins like Sodini have access to women to perform sexual services for them?

Sodini didn't "when crazy". Sodini in all likelihood had a personality disorder -- he was an unsuccessful narcissist, a person not smart enough to manipulate others into giving him what he wanted. His life was then miserable. He believed he was ENTITLED -- entitled to things like a woman "10 to 20 years younger" than him to satisfy his sexual desires. (No. They are not "needs".) But nobody would give him what he was entitled to. Caused even him to doubt his excellence.

He murdered a group of women who had done nothing to him, except not give him what he felt entitled to. He hated women. He was a misogynist. He was scum. He was NOT entitled to anything from any woman, and society does NOT have an obligation to give men like him access to what they think they're entitled to.

[AlphaCentauri]

57. I bet a prostitute 10 or 20 years younger than Sodini

at least would kept his maniac instinct busy

[Scout]

60. you are disgusting n/t

[AlphaCentauri]

64. For the puritans, of course. n/t

[Scout]

65. oooooh good comeback. call me a puritan because i don't think

any woman of any age should be obligated to fuck some creep for his "mental health."

so lame.

[AlphaCentauri]

68. well, let her do it for money n/t

[iverglas]

102. lie back and think of England

or of all the women you are saving from sexual assault and death by submitting to exploitation and abuse ...

Women are so self-sacrificing and other-oriented, you'd think a lot more of us would be doing it, wouldn't you??

Of course, then they'd get out the DSM-IV and say we had self-defeating personality disorder ...

[iverglas]

101. stupid and offensive much?

I bet a prostitute 10 or 20 years younger than Sodini

I'll bet that if Sodini had wanted a prostitute, he could have found one.

Did you have a point?


at least would kept his maniac instinct busy

Yes. Perhaps he could have killed many more women. I lost track of how many the pig farmer in British Columbia killed. 50? I dunno. Somewhere around there. I think there is a similar investigation underway in the US now.

Men who hate women and seek out prostitutes on whom to vent their hatred really don't care whether prostitution is legal or illegal.


I really can't figure out whether you're 12 years old (the literary style would suggest it) or just a creep.

[Stumbler]

19. Decriminalize/ Legalize and Regulate

In the US, we live in a nation of laws, and many of those laws are based on a rational justification; we all agree that those who murder, rape or cause physical- or monetary-harm to a member of society should be locked away. (Unless you're a millionaire, a celebrity, or a well-connected public official, but I digress) We also have laws, however, that are based on what a segment of society deems "bad" or "immoral" usually in a religious connotation. Criminalized prostitution falls into this category, as does cannabis-prohibition, and at one time, alcohol- and gambling-prohibitions.

What we need to realize, as a nation, is that some members of our communities will ALWAYS find ways to engage in these activities, whether they are allowed or forbidden. As such, we need to look at our history and remind ourselves that prohibition and jail-time for offenders will not cease the undesired behavior. If anything, we learned that prohibiting alcohol only made "the problem" worse by driving the behavior underground, where shady, untrustworthy characters were able to create a thriving business, such as the growth of the mafia in the early 20th century.

That being said, I will agree that we as a society will NEVER get rid of prostitution, gambling, alcohol, cannabis, etc. But we can decriminalize or out-right legalize these activities and put in place regulations that must be met, to ensure an adequate level of safety for those wishing to take part in those "deviant" behaviors. True, we'll NEVER get rid of every illegal still making moonshine, but we can drastically reduce the number of people dying each year by harmful, improperly-produced alcoholic products.

I think the same can be said of prostitution. We'll NEVER completely eliminate involuntarily-forced prostitution. But by removing the criminal penalties already in place, we'll empower those women who do choose to sell their bodies, at the same time we'll also take away power from the pimps and other people seeking to take advantage of those working women.

We'll NEVER come to a perfect solution, but we can come up with ideas better than those currently in place. We also need a greater emphasis on education, at all stages of life. We can teach people about the dangers of STD-transmission, about the dangers of alcohol and cannabis consumption, and about the risks taken when gambling one's hard-earned money. Unfortunately, it seems our society would rather build bombs, prisons and HDTVs than schools and colleges.

[AlphaCentauri]

38. good post but I would not call it selling their bodies

at some point we sell our bodies to our employers. It is just another trade.

[Scout]

23. yeah, right

"If only some woman would just fuck me, I wouldn't have to kill people."

:eyes:
:puke:

Legalizing prostitution is not going to solve anything.

[naaman fletcher]

53. sure it will..

"Legalizing prostitution is not going to solve anything."

It will solve the issue of the government using force to arrest, incarcerate, and destroy the lives of people engaging in a voluntary transaction that is nobody else's business.

Except, of course, in this situation described here where there is forced prosititution, but then again nobody thinks that should be legal.

[Scout]

54. see posts 46 and 48

you got any data to back up your own assertions?

i thought not.

[AlphaCentauri]

58. I don't see any data on those posts only opinions n/t

[Scout]

59. so the link with the experiences of a country where prostitution is legal

which directly contradicts your silly idea, is just an opinion?

http://www.justicewomen.com/cj_sweden.html

In a centuries deep sea of clichés despairing that 'prostitution will always be with us', one country's success stands out as a solitary beacon lighting the way. In just five years Sweden has dramatically reduced the number of its women in prostitution. In the capital city of Stockholm the number of women in street prostitution has been reduced by two thirds, and the number of johns has been reduced by 80%. There are other major Swedish cities where street prostitution has all but disappeared. Gone too, for the most part, are the renowned Swedish brothels and massage parlors which proliferated during the last three decades of the twentieth century when prostitution in Sweden was legal.

In addition, the number of foreign women now being trafficked into Sweden for sex is nil. The Swedish government estimates that in the last few years only 200 to 400 women and girls have been annually sex trafficked into Sweden, a figure that's negligible compared to the 15,000 to 17,000 females yearly sex trafficked into neighboring Finland. No other country, nor any other social experiment, has come anywhere near Sweden's promising results.

You have still not presented ANY data or anything other than your own spew.

[AlphaCentauri]

63. OK, those are good numbers, here is an interesting note

http://www.independent.org/publications/working_papers/article.asp?id=1300

[Scout]

67. most interesting, the authors own verbage in the summary

"the analysis seems to support the hypothesis that the rape rate could be lowered if prostitution was more readily available"

real definitive study that one

:eyes:

[Gormy Cuss]

86. The author is actually tipping off the reader that this is a working hypothesis, not a conclusion

supported by sufficient data. Cundiff's regression analysis is severely constrained by several factors as he points out.

That it's published in a right-wing faux think tank also speaks volumes.

[AlphaCentauri]

89. who would opose more to legal prostitution more than a right-wing think tank n/t

[Gormy Cuss]

90. I'm sorry, but that comment makes no sense.

[AlphaCentauri]

91. OK, who use the bible to condemn prostitution?

[Gormy Cuss]

92. Religious conservatives who comprise only a subset of right-wingers

Don't forget that to many right-wingers free markets and new style libertarianism are the mantra. For that group the hope would be that legalized prostitution would lower the price and free the johns from criminal charges.

[iverglas]

103. not to mention the supply-side economics assumptions

To measure the availability of prostitution in a given country,
I divided the monthly per capita income by an estimate of
the low-end price of a prostitute in a given country.

:eyes: and more :eyes:

[naaman fletcher]

98. Huh?

I don't make any assertions that require data one way or the other. I asserted principles of human freedom. Or are you the kind of person who will believe anything so long as there is data backing it up?

[Odin2005]

25. Someone hang these trafficking monsters!

:grr:

[SKKY]

26. When you outlaw something...

...only the outlaws have it. Prostitution is no different. It would no clear up 100% of these types of crimes, but enough would be that it makes it worth it, in my mind, to give it a shot.

[defendandprotect]

28. Prostitution should not be illegal IMO . . . HOWEVER, the reasons why so many women

are forced to prostitution is something we must deal with --

Meanwhile, males who have trouble forming human relationships -- including with women --

should seek help from mental health professionals.

[AlphaCentauri]

31. well, been ugly is not a mental problem is physical

then all those pretty women should take therapy to understand the hart and soul of the ugly and poor man and learn to turn off the light when they go to bed.

Well yopu know on TV everybody is perfec and pretty.

:sarcasm:

[defendandprotect]

79. Evidently you didn't notice that the problem here was violence and control . . .

not how he looked.

[Odin2005]

113. +1

[mamaleah]

30. It would not clear up 100% of this at all

There would still be perverts wanting girls or women whose age is questionable. There would still be men wanting seedy encounters. Wal-marting prostitution wouldn't solve everything.

[AlphaCentauri]

33. Agree but if it eliminates 80% of the problem and prevent many STDs

it would be a success

[mamaleah]

35. Preventing STDs would be a huge, maybe the largest, benefit.

How many of the men seeking services are married and are bringing home STDs to their wives?

[defendandprotect]

27. Rise of the right/patriarchy delivers enslavement, sexual perversions . . .

and poverty is a primary tool to this end --

The driving force on this is NOT human sexuality . . . it is sexual perversion and the

desire by the right-wing/patriarchy to enslave -- to have control over others.

There is a lot of help out there for men who cannot form relationships with women --

suggesting that we should pander to the needs of those men by providing prostitutes is

vile!

[mamaleah]

29. Um......this disgusting practice has existed for a while

Even under Clinton there was human trafficking. It wasn't invented recently. It has nothing to do with right or left. Both have been unable to stop the sickos from enslaving women for prostitution. Or have not tried very hard. Nor have either succeeded in stemming the flow of customers.

[defendandprotect]

81. It is as old as patriarchy, as I was pointing out . . . !!!

And, you do know, of course, that patriarchy is the "right" . . . ?

Patriarchy's continuing attacks on women -- keeping them impoverished -- is one major

avenue to ensuring women for prostitution.

Under patriarchy, human sexuality is distorted -- and males are taught a distorted vision

of sexuality which is dependent upon control over and debasing women.

Thus, prostitution.

When males begin to challenge these concepts of control and violence in regard to women

they can begin to cure themselves.

[AlphaCentauri]

37. What kind of help? dating sites? n/t

[noiretextatique]

39. therapists, psychologists, psychiatrists

treat people with social problems.

[defendandprotect]

82. Of course, this guy would have been helped by a "dating site" . . .!!??

Evidently, YOU see this guy's problem as a dating issue?

The problem with this man was violence and a desire to control women.

This is the view of sexuality that males are sold under patriarchy.

Patriarchy itself is mental illness -- and all it teaches.

When men begin to challenge patriarchy and their role in it -- when they

begin to challenge the patriarchal teachings about women and domination,

then they'll have a shot at mental health.

[ThomCat]

40. I can't believe people read this and think "We need to legalize Prostitution!"

:wtf:

So instead of forcing women to have sex with threats of violence and getting deported,

Instead you'll force women to have sex for minimum wage with threats of violence and getting deported. Wow! What an improvement!

Is it really So Damned Important that men be able to buy sex? Isn't getting those women out of there more important?

I know, now we're going to see a bunch of guys post about how some women WANT to be prostitutes and enjoy it. They chose to be prostitutes and all of that. Here's a hypothetical test. If every one of those women was somehow offered a choice of jobs, and any job she took would pay a middle class wage of say $30,000 per year, how many of them would choose to be a prostitute over anything else? How many would turn down a waitress job, or a receptionist job, or a childcare job for the exact same money because they would rather be a prostitute? And would you see that as a legitimate choice if she was your sister, or your cousin, or your niece, or your daughter, or a friend of theirs? Or is it only acceptable when it's one of "them?"

In that hypothetical, if the women wouldn't take the prostitution job if she had a real choice, then she's not really choosing prostitution now because she wants to, but because she had no other options.

If you think prostitution is okay for some women but not for someone closely related to you then you're making excuses for condemning women other to prostitution. You're just limiting your concern to women close to you.

[WriteDown]

41. Good post. nt

[snagglepuss]

42. Hear. hear. You hit the nail on the head, they'll be working for min wage

with threats of violence and getting deported. Wow! What an improvement!

[iverglas]

47. nice to see you

and ta. ;)

[ThomCat]

50. Hi Iverglas!

:hi:

It's always good to see you to. :)

[defendandprotect]

83. Right, the typical patriarchal teachings about women . . . they are to be exploited ...

in every way possible -- including sexually.

When men begin to challenge patriarchal teachings about women, they will be getting

closer to mental health.

Patriarchy itself is mental illness --

[AlphaCentauri]

88. So what about male studs and male prostitutes, Matriarchy? n/t

[defendandprotect]

93. Patriarchy doesn't also enslave males in sexual prostitution?

Let me know when you find comparable examples of Vatican City - all male

RCC -- all male

Congress -- predominantly male --

Turn on your TV -- male

Nor have women for 50,000 years and more been conducting anything but a non-violent

revolution against patriarchy.

Patriarchy, itself, is mental illness . . .

[TrogL]

43. Prostitution *is* legal here and we still have plenty of problems.

Mostly relating to underage girls and abuse of girls in un-licensed facilities.

To an outsider it's a bizarre situation.

I live in a rough part of town and there's girls on every street corner. The cops drive blithely by or stop to check and make sure they're OK. There's a licensed escort agency three blocks away and the back two sheets of the local Sun are filled with ads. You can charge it to your Visa, arrange to have a girl dropped off and picked up and it's treated as a routine business.

What's illegal is solicitation. We have a "call in a john" program and regular undercover operations.

[iverglas]

49. we have "john school"

Agree to go hear some lectures about how bad it is to exploit the unfortunate prostituted women, get out of jail free. No record.

Apparently it works well. Low recidivism rate.

Nobody seems to have bothered studying how it works as a deterrent to anyone who hasn't yet been caught. Not so well, I'd say from evidence in my neighbourhood. Similar to yours, probably a little more working-class residential. The women are addicts to a one, and a sorry sight. And the men who use them - basically to funnel money from their own stupid pockets through the women's veins and on into the coffers of organized crime - are scum. And john school is about the most blatant example of the criminal justice system serving the interests of men I can think of.

[iverglas]

44. "I think"

I think that if prostitution was legal none of this would happend and many killings and rapes could be prevented.

Big whup, chum.

I think you should educate yourself. You will find that where prostitution is legal, human trafficking and organized crime are prominent features.

Noticed what's happening in the Netherlands lately?

And people are killed, and women are sexually assaulted.

Your wilful ignorance is astounding and disgusting.


There are many man and woman who have trouble engaging in a relationship but they have physical needs like sex.

Oh yeaaaah. Prostitution is an equal-opportunity social service. And of course involves equal-opportunity exploitation.

People who have trouble engaging in a relationship really aren't entitled to sex, you know. Nobody is entitled to sex. It's something you get if somebody else decides to give it to you. Unless, of course, you can find somebody in enough need of money that they'll sell you their services.

Let's speak plainly. Men are not entitled to sex. Really. Look it up. No rule that men are entitled to have women just because they want them. What's too bad is that nobody seems to point this out to boys at a time when it might do some good.

Grow the fuck up.

[ThomCat]

51. That first one, thinking that prositution someone prevents rape

makes my head want to explode!

Who the fuck thinks that people rape because they have trouble getting laid? There are so many myths and misunderstandings behind that idea that it's hard to know where to start?

A whole lot of rapists have wives and girlfriends at home. A whole lot rapists are raping their wives and girlfriends at home. No matter how much sex they get, it's not satisfying some sick need for power and dominance. It's not giving them the thrill of beating someone up, the adrenalin rush of conquering someone and doing whatever they fucking want to that person. How is it possible that anyone doesn't know that rape is about power? Forced intercourse becomes the expression of power and conquest, because he could do it over all objections, over all protests, against all resistance. How does anyone still think that is just rough sex?
x(

I really wish we could teach teens serious social issues, and aim a serious women's studies class and boys and girls in their early teens to talk about sexism, misogyny, gender based violence, prostitution and male privilege. Getting to teens young, more girls might be forwarned about the shit that's out there, and more boys might get a clue and avoid the pitfalls of believing sexist myths and stereotypes.

[TrogL]

75. I took a course like that

Sex role stereotypes as part of my education degree. The prof started out by teaching us basic logic and logical fallacies then used that to destroy everthing we thought we knew about men, women and relationships.

[defendandprotect]

84. Let's face it, patriarchy is a mental disorder . . .

and women are still trying -- rightly so -- to overturn it without violence.

[Odin2005]

97. +1

[redqueen]

110. It is really sad how many here think that way...

but it is hardly surprising, when you consider how most threads about these issues go.

[AlphaCentauri]

61. Do you really know what US troops do in countries were prostitution is Legal?

They pay for prostitutes, they are not living to embrace celibacy, they need sex, they pay for it.
Sex is a part of human nature, many can't get for free so they have to pay for the service especially those who do not want to get involve in emotional relationships.

Do you think a handicap person should be deprive from having sex just because there is no person to volunteer for free?

human relations are more complicated than just repressing sexual desire.

[WriteDown]

62. EPIC FAIL....

You are confusing need with desire. And assuming all soldiers are visiting prostitutes is just ludicrous.

[AlphaCentauri]

66. sorry for the generalization

it all depends on the testosterone levels and some psychological aspects.

others prefer to have sex in the base



Ban on Sex for Soldiers in Afghanistan Lifted
http://www.military.com/features/0,15240,167950,00.html

[WriteDown]

69. No it doesn't...

Once again, you are talking about desire and not need. That line may have worked on your prom date, but not on adults.

[Scout]

70. "I'll just DIE if you don't give me a blow job."

love your post ...
"That line may have worked on your prom date, but not on adults. "

[AlphaCentauri]

71. Adults could consent for a good dinner or a concert

no need to pay extra



:rofl:

[WriteDown]

72. And now you are confusing social interaction

with payment. Sounds like you may have some deep resentment toward women. I suggest you work on that.

[AlphaCentauri]

73. happily married no need to pay for sex

just a little bit concern about those lonely people out there

[Scout]

74. and none for the women in prostitution n/t

[AlphaCentauri]

76. Of course that's the main reason it should be legal

so they can have rights like any other worker. There are a few men and women who choose to be prostitutes, they deserve to be in a union, have pensions, health care and other benefits.

[WriteDown]

78. Far fewer men though..

I guess women don't have needs.

Oh, my mistake, they "need" to please men. :eyes:

[WriteDown]

77. They should be fine. nt.

[defendandprotect]

85. THIS thread is about sexual enslavement of women . . . not "lonely hearts" . . .!!!

How does that possibly escape your attention?

[Scout]

87. but those women CHOSE to be prostitutes ... they just need a union to protect them! n/t

[CraftyGal]

95. Interesting word "choice".....

often women "choose" to go into prostitution because of:

1) need to feed the kids, as they are often single moms with virtually no skills to get a basic job. Or social assistance (welfare) makes the suggestion that they work for an agency or stand on a street corner.
2) maybe that is all they feel they are good for, especially if they had sexually abused most of their lives. In other words why not get paid to spread their legs?
3) not all sex trade workers are addicts or alcoholics. The sex trade workers that have addiction issues are the ones on the street corners.
4) the lure of top dollar in the hidden sex trade, such XXX movies, escort agencies, massage parlors.

Did you know that an escort can make up to $3,000 a night, and that is a slow night? Who wouldn't want that kind of cash? Often when women are faced with that kind of money they will put up with a lot of crap from men.

I am friends with women who are in the survival sex trade here and they have been beaten, raped, almost murdered and yes even murdered by men. We have one serial killer of the street, Thomas Svekla and are hoping to get another of the street, Joseph Laboucan. Laboucan was found guilty of first-degree murder of Nina Courtepatte as a result he was ordered to submit his DNA to the National Data bank. He hat been charged in the murder of Ellie May Meyer, who was murdered 3 days before Nina Courtepatte. We have some very sick individuals in our city that is preying on the women of our city. Nina was lured from West Edmonton Mall and Ellie May was a street sex trade worker.

I was speaking to a friend of mine yesterday and I am hoping that we can find a resolution to help a young woman who is being pimped out to the streets by her own mother. Most of the women that are in contact with us are trying to leave the lifestyle. They are often drug addicted and they need to find a detox that will stake them at that time. Teh detox here only has 6 beds for women and really aren't equipped to deal with the prostitution issues. I am sure none of these women woke up one morning and said "hey I think I wil go peddle my ass on the street and get hooked on drugs. Yeah it will be great!" :sarcasm: (I better put this in just so I don't get jumped on)

Craftygal

[Scout]

96. was my post unclear?

i do not believe women choose to become prostitutes except under the most dire circumstances ... i do not believe they need just need a union. that was an (apparently lame) sarcastic post.

[TrogL]

99. that's what the sarcasm tag is for

Just go :sarcasm:

[TrogL]

100. ...and you get

:sarcasm:

[iverglas]

105. sometimes, ya just don't think it's necessary

And sometimes you actually think it would be insulting your audience to use it.

But then, around here ...



(Scout really has been around here a long time, and knows all about those things.)

[Scout]

107. precisely correct

plus, then i'd have had to put it in the body of the post and i wouldn't need the n/t!

i DID think it was pretty fucking obvious, and that my audience WOULD be insulted!

[Scout]

106. here's some advice for you :-)

just go

:fuckyourself:

[redqueen]

111. Thank you thank you thank you thank you.

So sick of seeing that shit called a 'need'.

[iverglas]

104. yeah, actually

They rape women.

Were you actually meaning to say they don't?

[redqueen]

109. THANK YOU! (nt)

[lumberjack_jeff]

55. Illegal aliens do illegal things?

Wow! Never saw that coming.

[redqueen]

112. Your post makes no sense. (nt)

[GodlyDemocrat]

94. What does this have to with prostitution being legal? Maybe if we had open borders,

Then none of this would have happened.

[tonysam]

114. Legalizing Prostitution Would Have No Effect on Rape

The OP needs to understand prostitution is not a "career" choice for women or an act between "consenting adults" but is a human rights violation exploiting people.

Legalizing a human rights violation does nothing but encourage even more abuse of women.