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steven johnson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-30-09 08:29 AM
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Venezuelan Authorities Arrest Opposition Leader
Source: New York Times

CARACAS, Venezuela (AP) -- Venezuelan authorities have arrested an opposition leader for alleged violence during a protest.

Venezuela's state-run Bolivarian News Agency says a local court ordered the arrest of Caracas official Richard Blanco.

Authorities detained Blanco for allegedly injuring a police officer during a demonstration a week ago, the agency said Saturday. The march was one of many protests over a new education law critics say could lead to political indoctrination in schools.

Attorney General Luisa Ortega has said she will ask prosecutors to crack down on unruly protesters who she says are trying to destabilize President Hugo Chavez's government.



Read more: http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2009/08/29/world/AP-LT-Venezuela-Protest-Crackdowns.html



Now Venezuela is criminalizing social protest.

Attorney General Luisa Ortega warned that demonstrators who disturb "tranquility and the public peace" could be charged with "civil rebellion."

Here comes the police state. We wouldn't want to disturb Chavezs' peace and tranquility, would we?
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denverbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-30-09 08:47 AM
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1. Yes, any society that won't allow you to assault a cop is a tyranny. n/t
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steven johnson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-30-09 02:03 PM
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22. You've got it backwards -- just marching is considered sedition by chavez --no need to attack anyone
Edited on Sun Aug-30-09 02:04 PM by steven johnson
So how are things with the Venezuelan Security Service at the Venezuelan Information Office?


Ortega claimed opposition groups were looking for "any reason to march, to create chaos, whatever they can, what they want is to destabilize, even by encouraging people to disobey the law."

Last Saturday, thousands of marchers protested against the education law and police used tear gas to break up the crowds and keep them from marching on the National Assembly.

"These precise actions are in effect criminal civil rebellion," Ortega stressed, warning in her statement that the crime carries sentences of between 12 and 24 years.
Venezuela accuses protesters of attempting 'rebellion'



http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5c/The_Toronto_-_Washington,_D.C..jpg/180px-The_Toronto_-_Washington,_D.C..jpg

The Venezuela Information Office (VIO) is a Washington, D. C.-based lobbying agency whose goal is to improve the perception of Venezuela in the United States; its stated mission is "to prevent US intervention in Venezuela". Founded in 2004 by the government of Venezuela, VIO is funded by the Venezuelan government and therefore registered under the Foreign Agents Registration Act.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-30-09 05:51 PM
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25. LOL. Try posting a pro-cop assault thread in GD.
:rofl:
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Dr_Willie_Feelgood Donating Member (129 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-30-09 06:03 PM
Response to Reply #25
29. But it IS OK to want to kill insurance people
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=103x476043#476046

OffWithTheirHeads (1000+ posts) Sun Aug-30-09 02:36 AM
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2. Just shoot the motherf***ers and be done with it.
I'm tired of f***ing around!
when they come for my guns, they can have the bullets first
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-30-09 06:19 PM
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31. Skinner is more tolerant than I would be.
:)
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steven johnson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-30-09 06:25 PM
Response to Reply #25
33. No facts -- just ad hominem.
Edited on Sun Aug-30-09 06:31 PM by steven johnson
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-30-09 06:38 PM
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34. Yes, that would be your (as usual) OP.
:hi:
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steven johnson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-30-09 06:50 PM
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39. You disagree ?
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-30-09 06:52 PM
Response to Reply #39
40. I think I'll let you move on to someone you can stir up with your juvenile red baiting.
:)
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steven johnson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-30-09 06:57 PM
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42. Red baiting? Stupid baiting.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-30-09 06:58 PM
Response to Reply #42
43. Please allow me to get out of your way while you prove my point.
:rofl:
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steven johnson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-30-09 06:59 PM
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44. Don't forget to RSVP
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-30-09 07:01 PM
Response to Reply #44
45. Are you old enough to be posting here?
LOL
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steven johnson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-30-09 07:14 PM
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47. Have you lost your sense of humor?
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-30-09 07:18 PM
Response to Reply #47
48. I'm a comedy writer. I can distinguish funny from peepee jokes.
:)
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steven johnson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-30-09 07:20 PM
Response to Reply #48
49. How about movie references?
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-30-09 07:25 PM
Response to Reply #49
50. Please continue. I don't think you've given this forum a good enough opportunity
to evaluate your argument. :)
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steven johnson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-30-09 07:31 PM
Response to Reply #50
52. Thanks for the encouragement
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-30-09 07:33 PM
Response to Reply #52
53. You're very welcome.
:hi:
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denverbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-31-09 01:20 PM
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69. If 'just marching' is the crime, why didn't the cops arrest everyone there?
Why do these people keep coming out day after day, week after week? What kind of a shitty dictator only arrests one guy at a protest and lets the rest keep coming back day after day? Real dictators don't put up with that kind of shit. They'd jail everyone and kill off the leadership to scare people into not protesting. Instead, there are like a handful in jail, and those are charged with actual crimes, like plotting the coup or supporting an armed uprising and assaulting a cop.

Things are fine and the VIO. How are things at CNN, Mr Dobbs?
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subcomhd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-31-09 06:36 PM
Response to Reply #69
74. but how many political prisoners does Hugo already have in his commie dungeon?
0
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SuperTrouper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-31-09 06:32 PM
Response to Reply #22
73. Yeah, when Micheletti tries to supress the Zelaya thugs everyone is up in arms here
but when the Socialist Fascist Chavez supresses innocent people demonstrating peacefully and closes down more than 30 radio stations, everyone here applauds. In my book Chavez=Ahmadinejad, that is why those two thugs will go down in the annals of history as petty dictators (including Ortega in Nicaragua) Anyway, Chavez' days are numbered unless he uses violence to stay in power. His Bolivarian revolution is just a facade to put himself in power and the sad part of this is that Bachelet, Evo Morales, and Rafael Correa bought into this and they will suffer the consequences in their own countries. No wonder Lula has distanced himself from Chavez, he knows better.
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denverbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-01-09 08:22 PM
Response to Reply #73
75. www.freerepublic.com
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vadawg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-30-09 08:51 AM
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2. lol this is going to get interesting, usually on DU the line is its okay to assault a cop for the
cause, and anyway the pigs just made the charges up, will be interesting to see how many think its not okay to assault chavez's cop but okay to assault a capitol cop or any other US cop.
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NoPasaran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-30-09 09:27 AM
Response to Reply #2
3. The ultimate flame war
Cynthia McKinney tazed by Venezuelan cop while breastfeeding.
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Ohio Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-30-09 10:00 AM
Response to Reply #3
6. at an Olive Garden
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-30-09 05:57 PM
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28. Hugo Chavez tried to breast feed a pitbull while smoking pot.
Edited on Sun Aug-30-09 05:57 PM by EFerrari
:rofl:
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oct2010 Donating Member (72 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-30-09 10:05 AM
Response to Reply #3
8. This thread will need to be moved or locked
story spin is all wrong for this forum. Banish it to "All things latin " forum and hide it from sight of those without a formed opinion already on NeoBolivar revolution
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-30-09 09:39 AM
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4. where on DU have you seen DUers feel it's ok to assault cops?
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47of74 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-30-09 10:06 AM
Response to Reply #2
10. Sniff, sniff, sniff, I smell the coming of a...
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-30-09 10:14 AM
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11. BS: "usually on DU the line is its okay to assault a cop" nt
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-30-09 11:38 AM
Response to Reply #2
17. Cite a single case in which DUers called for violence
Shame on you for smearing an entire community!

:puke:
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Dr_Willie_Feelgood Donating Member (129 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-30-09 06:19 PM
Response to Reply #17
30. See Reply #29
I hope it is just a tiny number of Freeper disruptors, not true blue dyed in the wool progressives, but yes, I have seen threats, or at least wishes, of violence, and even a desire for the extinction of the human species on here.

Sad.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-30-09 05:53 PM
Response to Reply #2
26. Bulleria. I've yet to see a DU thread supporting attacking a cop.
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-30-09 09:40 AM
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5. well... was he responsible for violence or not?
Edited on Sun Aug-30-09 09:50 AM by fascisthunter
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Dreamer Tatum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-30-09 10:05 AM
Response to Reply #5
9. Of course he was. Venezuela said so.
So stop asking questions.
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Mika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-30-09 10:42 AM
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14. Of course he wasn't. Venezuela said so.
{blinders="on"}

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NYC Democrat Donating Member (234 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-30-09 10:05 AM
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7. que DUers rationalizing this and approving of everything Chazvez does.
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-30-09 10:16 AM
Response to Reply #7
12. and que the anti-Chavez crowd spewing bs on DU
and mischaracterizing those who defend Chavez
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-30-09 10:34 AM
Response to Reply #12
13. Exactly.
I'm so fucking sick of these ASSHOLES weak attempts to spew their CRAP...
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-30-09 11:45 AM
Response to Reply #7
18. I believe that was a court. Venezuela does have an independent judiciary
unlike Honduras.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-30-09 05:53 PM
Response to Reply #7
27. The word is "cue".
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-31-09 01:48 AM
Response to Reply #7
59. Cue the simpletons who can't spell.
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wroberts189 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-30-09 10:59 AM
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15. Police state ..like the one we had at the RNC?

Where you can be preemptively raided by swat teams and charged with terrorism for just planning a protest?

http://rnc8.org/about/


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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-30-09 11:32 AM
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16. Like a Republican, you believe that when a rightwinger breaks the law, it is okay by you
Name a state in the Union in which one can assault a police officer with impunity.
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-30-09 11:47 AM
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19. "Here comes the police state." --1998
"Chavez is writing his own Constitution. He's going to be a dictator. Just you wait." --1999

"Chavez ran for office again and won. Here comes the police state." --2000

"Chavez is still president. Look out!" --2001

"Chavez is increasingly authoritarian. Let's kidnap him, suspend the Constitution, the National Assembly, the courts and all civil rights and round up and kill all the leftists." --2002

"Oops, that didn't work. He's still president--Oh, God!" --2003

"Recall! Recall! It's in the Constitution that Chavez wrote. Hoist him on his own petard. USAID will pay for it." --2004

"Chavez must've rigged it! Let's boycott all elections. Here comes the police state." --2005

"Chavez packed the National Assembly, and bribed people to vote for him by giving them what they want--dictator!"--2006

"Now he wants to run again, and give women and gays equal rights, and give pensions to street vendors, and shorten the work week, and let the rabble decide all this with voting! Here comes the police state!" --2007

"Oh, hey, we defeated Chavez and gay rights and pensions and 4 hours off for workers, but Chavez is increasingly authoritarian. He's going to be a dictator. Here comes the police state." --2008

"CHAVEZ RAMMED THROUGH A CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT that makes him 'president for life,' by, um, the rabble voting for him again. Dictator! Dictator! Dictator! Here it comes. Some prosecutor said so. Here comes...arrest for hitting a police officer! And jail for public disorder! And the shutdown of the media! And fascists getting 'disappeared'! And the rich getting tortured! And the rabble taking our Jaguars! It's here! It's here! The dictatorship of the proletariat!"--2009

-------------------------

It would be funny, if it weren't so dangerous, and evil, and potentially lethal to so many people--Chavez and the members of his government, leftist politicians of all kinds, union organizers, civic groups, human rights workers, real journalists, women, gays, racial minorities, the indigenous, workers, the vast poor majority--who are never the perpetrators of a police state but always the victims of it, when fascists gain power by corruption, lies and violence.

The psyops/disinformation campaign against Chavez--and, never mentioned, but actually the main target, against the people of Venezuela--in our corpo/fascist press makes me laugh, from time to time. What else can we do when our own people buy into this crap, and post it here at DU as if it were reliable news?

But it's not all that funny, when you understand that such intense lying and brainwashing is not undertaken with no purpose. We need to ferret out the purpose, and fully grasp what is going on with this, among our Corporate Rulers and their fascist CEOs, war profiteers and "military-industrial complex." The real rulers of our government are a dangerous and conscienceless cabal, and the fascist jerks in Venezuela who are their willing tools do not mean well toward the Venezuelan people. And overriding everything is one of the biggest oil reserves in the hemisphere--Venezuela's--which our global corporate predators very much want to regain control of. This 'news' we keep getting about "Chavez the dictator" and "here comes the police state" is designed to inure us to another oil war, in my opinion. That's where you create a bogeyman "dictator"--in this case, entirely unjustified--and then slaughter a hundred thousand people who are NOT the "dictator" to steal their oil.

Beware of "news" like this, and posts like this. We are being intensely brainwashed for a purpose. And whether it's Oil War II or not, it will not be good for you and me, nor for Venezuelans.

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wroberts189 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-30-09 11:51 AM
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20. great post nt
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-30-09 12:34 PM
Response to Reply #19
21. Meanwhile, Colombia's Uribe, who did ram a 'president-for-life' provision
Edited on Sun Aug-30-09 12:34 PM by IndianaGreen
remains a god to America's parasitic investor class, and their DU anti-Chavez megaphones.
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-30-09 03:37 PM
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23. Yup, the Bushwhacks take the audacity of public lying to new, "Alice in Wonderland,"
jabberwockian heights.

I was just thinking of the insanity of the powerful, so beautifully depicted in "Through the Looking Glass," as Cheney parades around advocating torture. It boggles the mind. And I guess that is what it is meant to do. It is meant to inspire murderous rage and thus to justify more "Red Queen" bloody repression. But we mustn't let it do that to us. We need to both understand how outrageous it is--a "Medal of Freedom" for Alvaro Uribe; I mean, good God!--and maintain our own sanity, and steady progress back to a sane world. This is what the South Americans have done. Step by step. First, create an honest voting system. Second, reform the power situation with constitutional change (easier to do in Latin America). Then, start on better political balance in use of the public airwaves. Meanwhile, create more equality of opportunity--funding of education, etc., alleviate the sufferings of the poor (free universal medical care, etc.), and start using government income--such as the oil revenues--to bootstrap the country and the region.

It CAN be done. Sanity and normalcy, and good government, CAN be achieved. The South Americans are proving this every day. Good government works. That's why our corpo/fascist rulers and their media tools hate the South American left so much. They are proving that true democracy is a workable system for creating a good society. It is excruciatingly ironical--and the ultimate in jabberwocky--for our corpo/fascist rulers, with the Bushwhacks out front, dare to assert that they are "bringing democracy" to anybody. They have damn near killed it here. They regard "the will of the people" as their worst enemy. And their goal is to utterly defeat it everywhere.
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-31-09 01:44 AM
Response to Reply #21
57. This is why I can't take the anti-Chavez people seriously in the slightest.
It's clear that the stuff they use as a pretense for not liking Chavez really doesn't bother them at all. If it did, they would have the correct target in their sights. But point out Uribe and you get a collective yawn from them. They're phony liberals, phony Dems, stupid people, or all of the above.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-31-09 01:59 AM
Response to Reply #57
61. Can you imagine the reaction here if Chavez sent goons out with chainsaws
the way Uribe does?

There's no hypocrite like a right wing hypocrite.

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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-31-09 02:04 AM
Response to Reply #61
62. The DU servers would melt as the phonies hammer away on their keyboards.
I hate posers, I really do. :)
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-31-09 02:14 AM
Response to Reply #62
63. I don't like them for dinner.
:)
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-31-09 02:52 AM
Response to Reply #61
64. Just for the record, might as well include some REAL problems with a REAL monster President:
Colombia: Thousands Come Out for Anti-Paramilitary March

~snip~
Written by Helda Martínez*
Friday, 07 March 2008

~snip~
Of the 15,000 victims of forced disappearance reported between 1982 and 2005, at least 3,000 were buried in common graves, some of which have begun to be exhumed. It is impossible to know how many were thrown into rivers, a common paramilitary practice.

"Disappearance is a monstrous crime," former Bogotá mayor Antanas Mockus told IPS. "That is why…we started this march at the Magdalena river," he said, after accompanying hundreds of mainly indigenous and black people displaced by the war on the three-day march from Flandes.

"We were inspired by an audiovisual testimony by the artist Clemencia Echeverri, who recently showed, in a sophisticated Bogotá art gallery, a night-time recording taken from the two shores of the Cauca river" in the northwestern province of Antioquia, said Mockus. (Antioquia is a paramilitary stronghold.)

"On the recording, you hear the sound of the water flowing, and above that you hear the screams of peasant farmers and chainsaws running, and you can see people with sticks, fishing pieces of clothing out of the river," he added.

According to testimony from numerous survivors and members of paramilitary groups, the latter frequently used chainsaws to cut their victims up alive.

Jusice and Peace also reported that 1,700 indigenous people, 2,550 trade unionists and 5,000 members of the now-defunct leftist political party Patriotic Union were murdered between 1982 and 2005.

"The paramilitaries have perpetrated more than 3,500 massacres and stolen more than six million hectares of land, and since their demobilisation they have killed 600 people a year. They also achieved control over 35 percent of the seats in Congress," said the Movement of Victims of Crimes of the State (MOVICE), which organised Thursday’s nationwide march.

More:
http://upsidedownworld.org/main/content/view/1170/61/

~~~~~~~~~~~~

~snip~
Between the 1982 emergence of the far-right paramilitary groups in their present shape and form and 2005, they committed more than 3,500 massacres, and have been blamed by United Nations experts and leading international human rights groups for at least 80 percent of the crimes against humanity committed in Colombia’s civil war.

As a result of negotiations with the government, they declared a unilateral ceasefire in December 2002 and partially demobilised. But since then, they have killed an average of 600 people a year, according to MOVICE.

A multidisciplinary study carried out in 2007 found that since 2002, when an all-out military offensive against the FARC was launched with heavy U.S. support, members of the army have killed more than 950 people, most of whom were reported as guerrillas killed in combat.

That practice should supposedly decline as a result of a recent government measure which stipulates that an expert on international humanitarian law must accompany all military units on the ground.

The paramilitary chiefs themselves, many of whom are drug lords, have themselves boasted that at one point they controlled a full 35 percent of parliament.

In addition, the civil intelligence service (DAS) was heavily infiltrated by paramilitaries during Uribe’s first term (2002-2006).

Around 75 legislators and other politicians allied with Uribe - including the president’s cousin Mario Uribe, who resigned from the Senate - have been arrested or are under investigation for their links with the paramilitaries in the so-called "parapolitics" scandal that broke out in late 2006.

"Everyone investigating the scandal has received threats," said Luz Marina Hache, vice president of the National Association of Judicial Branch Employees (Asonal Judicial), which will take part in the Mar. 6 demonstration.

More:
http://ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=41298

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


After the anti-paramilitary march discussed above, the organizers of this protest were murdered.

RIGHTS-COLOMBIA: Paramilitarism Alive and Well
By Constanza Vieira

BOGOTA, Apr 1 (IPS) - "If their slogan was land, dignity and peace, this time it will be terror, murder and hell," said a threat sent to human rights defenders and trade unionists who took part in a Mar. 6 march in homage to the victims of Colombia’s far-right paramilitary groups.

Since the march, four of the organisers have been murdered and another survived an attempt on her life. In addition, more than 50 people and organisations have been named in written threats distributed by a group calling themselves the "Black Eagles", who say they will be "implacable" with those who organised the demonstration.

The Mar. 6 protest was convened by the Movement of Victims of Crimes of the State (MOVICE), made up of hundreds of associations, and was backed by trade union federations and a number of other social movements.

"Land, dignity and peace" was the theme of a two-day march by people displaced by Colombia’s four-decade civil war, who reached Bogotá to take part in the larger Mar. 6 demonstration.

Vigils, demonstrations and marches were held that day in 78 cities around the world and 24 in Colombia, in honour of the victims of the paramilitaries, which partially demobilised as a result of negotiations with the rightwing government of Álvaro Uribe.

But the event went unreported by the mainstream media, by contrast with the heavy international coverage of the global Feb. 4 march against the Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia (FARC) guerrillas.

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On Mar. 26, the Attorney General’s Office issued an arrest warrant for 15 noncommissioned officers for the 2005 murder of 11 members of the San José de Apartadó Peace Community in northwestern Colombia. The victims included three children.

A former paramilitary, Jorge Luis Salgado, told prosecutors that the killings were committed by the army in conjunction with the paramilitary United Self-Defence Forces of Colombia (AUC).

The slayings took place after the AUC had declared a unilateral ceasefire to pave the way for the demobilisation talks with the government.

Uribe had publicly stated at the time that the members of the peace community, which had declared itself neutral in the armed conflict, were "collaborators" of the FARC, who the president describes as "terrorists."

"You are either with Colombia or with terrorism": this recent statement by Uribe that has been put up on billboards in Bogotá and other cities defines the government’s view with respect to neutrality in the armed conflict.
More:
http://ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=41817

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Washington's death squad democracy in Colombia

~snip~
It would be hard to exaggerate the atrocities the AUC committed. One of its commanders, Ever Veloza, who confessed to killing almost a thousand people and provided details about the killing of 6,000 people by his militias alone, in coordination with the army, said that 90 percent of the victims had no ties to guerrillas. (Washington Post, 19 August) In Mapiripan, in Meta department, in 1997, AUC members came to town with a list of names provided by informants. They went house to house, took people to the town centre, and tortured them to death – hacking them to pieces with machetes or chainsaws and throwing the remains (and sometimes the dismembered still-living) in the river. They killed approximately ten people a day for five days. Local officials called the army repeatedly during this period, but the army didn't come until after the AUC left. The general later accused of planning the massacre had just finished his training by U.S. Army Green Berets working in Colombia. In Alto Naya, in Cauca, in 2001, 90 AUC members killed about 120 people, also with chainsaws and machetes. An Army unit nearby refused to intervene. In Betoyes, in the same department, in 2003, they attacked an indigenous community, raping and killing girls and women in the most horrible manner. Amnesty International reported that the Army supported the massacre. (Various human rights and other publications, cited in the Wikipedia article) These paramilitaries were also active in the slums of Medellin, where they carried out what some people consider to be a genocidal campaign against youth, in Bogota and other cities, assassinating political activists, lawyers, academics, union organizers and others and creating a climate of political terror.

More:
http://rwor.org/a/146/AWTW_columbia-en.html

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Published on Thursday, April 19, 2001 by Agence France Presse
"The Chainsaw Massacre" Is Not a Movie in Colombia: Witness
by Jacques Thomet

BOGOTÁ -- "The Chainsaw Massacre is not a film in Colombia," said government ombudsman Eduardo Cifuentes, referring to the April 12 paramilitary massacre in Alto Naya, 650 kilometers (404 miles) southeast of here.
He was revealing details of the massacres of civilians which occurred during Easter week in this overwhelmingly Roman Catholic country in a wave of right-wing paramilitary and leftist guerrilla violence.

It left some 128 people dead, including 40 in Alto Naya, according to official reports quoted by Cifuentes in an interview with AFP.

The former Constitutional Tribunal president visited the massacre sites Monday at a remote jungle area in the Western Andes mountains, in the Cauca department.

Around 400 paramilitaries took part in this "caravan of death" against civilians accused of supporting leftist guerrillas, Cifuentes said in his Bogota office.

"The remains of a woman were exhumed. Her abdomen was cut open with a chainsaw. A 17-year-old girl had her throat cut and both hands also amputated," said the ombudsman, providing details of "the cruelty and extreme abuse of the paramilitaries."

"They carried a list of names around. The would kill many for insignificant reasons, like not explaining where they got their cellular phone," he said.

"A neighbor pounced upon a paramilitary that was ready to shoot him and took his weapon, but unfortunately he didn't know how to fire a rifle. They dragged him away, cut him open with a chainsaw and chopped him up," a witness of the massacre told El Espectador daily.

More:
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines01/0419-04.htm

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donsu (1000+ posts) Mon Sep-22-03 12:15 PM
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Coco Cola's chainsaw murders in Columbia

it's that trusty bloody hands bushgang BBBT&M at work again (bully, bribe, blackmail, threaten and if all else fails murder policy)

http://www.anncol.org/side/116

Yet another chainsaw massacre in Colombia

-snip-

According to their trade union, and to witnesses in the area, a group of paramilitaries ambushed the men and they were forced to dismount their horses. Four paramilitaries subsequently took them away in a grey jeep to an unknown location. Some time later the men were all found in a mass grave in the ‘La Montana’ ranch (owned by a Mr Teodoro Ariza), also in Pondera municipality. All had been cut up with chainsaws.

According to FENSUAGRO both national and regional authorities have ignored all requests to investigate the crime as they have with the recent assassinations of the SINTRAGRICOLAS president Victor Jimenez Fruto and his predecessor Saul Colpas.

In a separate case of anti-union violence on September 10th David Jose Carranza Calle, the 15-year-old son of trade union leader Limberto Carranza, of the food and beverage workers’ union SINALTRAINAL, was kidnapped by six masked men who took him away in a white truck and tortured him, demanding to know where his father was. At the same time as the attack was taking place a telephone call was made to the home of the trade union activist. The caller was recorded as saying, “trade unionist son of a bitch, we are coming to kill you, and if we don’t get you we’ll attack your home”.

According to SINALTRAINAL the attack is almost certainly linked to the current struggle that the union is involved in against the Coca-Cola company.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x382565

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Dominion of Evil
Colombia's paramilitary terror
by Steven Ambrus
Amnesty International magazine, Spring 2007

In the early 1990s, a butcher named Rodrigo Mercado got fed up with paying protection money to Colombia's leftwing guerrillas. Unable to shake them off, he sought financing from ranchers, politicians and businessmen and raised a 350-man militia. Then he went on the rampage. People accused of leftist sympathies in the state of Sucre were shot. Others were carved to bits with chainsaws, buried in mass graves or fed to alligators. Mercado delighted in the killing, survivors say. Moreover, it provided benefits. As thousands of people fled, Mercado and his men seized control of local governments and acquired vast tracts of farmland and shoreline. Then they used their new possessions to dispatch boats loaded with cocaine to foreign markets.
"They were merciless," said Arnol Gómez, a community leader from the town of San Onofre. "They had so much power that no one could do business or run for office without their approval. Even the police supported them."
Today, after a decade of terror and destruction, an edgy calm has settled over the rolling grasslands and tin-patch towns where Mercado spent his fury. The warlord has been dead for more than a year, a victim of bloodletting in his ranks. His troops have fully demobilized through a 2003 peace deal between the government and a paramilitary umbrella group known as the United Self- Defense Forces of Colombia (AUC). Local farmers have returned to their tiny plots of plantains and corn. But criminal investigators are only now uncovering graves on Mercado's abandoned farms. And with hundreds of people dead and hundreds more still missing in Sucre, the painful process of uncovering the truth about what happened there and in other areas of paramilitary control is just getting underway. For the first time, Colombians are confronting the immense dimensions of the paramilitary terror that has gripped their country for four decades, and the unholy alliance of military, business and political leaders that propelled it forward.
"Colombia is at a crossroads after years in which the paramilitaries infiltrated the world of legitimate business and the agencies of local and national government," said Iván Cepeda, the son of a left-wing senator who was murdered in 1994 by an alliance of military and paramilitary operatives. "Colombia will either become a nation of laws and democratic institutions or sink further into violence, authoritarianism and the denial of basic rights."

More:
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Colombia/Dominion_Evil.html

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Murder Training: Colombian Death Squad Used Live Hostages
April 29, 2007 By El Tiempo

El Tiempo, Bogota -- "Proof of courage": that is how the how the paramilitaries would term the training they imparted to their recruits so that they learnt how to carve up people while they were still alive.

Initially, the authorities rejected this version of the farmers who reported the practice... but when the combatants themselves started to admit to it in their testimonies before the prosecutors, the myth became a harsh crime against humanity.

Francisco Enrique Villalba Hernández (alias Cristian Barreto), one of the perpetrators of the massacre at El Aro in Ituango, Antioquia, received this type of training in the same place where he learnt to handle arms and manufacture home-made bombs. Today, a prisoner at La Picota in Bogota, Villalba has described in details during lengthy testimonies how he applied the learning.

"Towards the middle of 1994, I was ordered to a course... in El Tomate, Antioquia, where the training camp was located," he says in his testimony. There, his working day started at 5 in the morning and the instructions were received directly from the top commanders such as 'Double Zero' (Carlos Garcia, since assassinated by another paramilitary group).

Villalba claims that in order to learn how to dismember people they would use farmers they gathered together in the course of taking neighbouring settlements. As he describes it, "they were aged people whom we brought in trucks, alive and bound up". The victims arrived at the ranch in covered trucks. They were lowered from the vehicle with their hands tied and taken to a room. There they were locked up for days in the hope that the training would start.

"The instruction of courage" would start later: the people would be divided up in four or five groups "and there they dismembered them", says Villalba in his testimony. "The instructor would say to each of them: 'You stand there, so-and-so over there and provide security to him who is doing the dismembering'. Every time that a settlement is taken and someone is going to be dismembered, security has to be offered to those doing the job".

The women and men were taken out in their underwear from the rooms where they had been locked up. Still with their hands bound, they took them to the place where the instructor was waiting to start the first lessons: "The instructions were to chop off their arms, the head, to dismember them alive. They were usually crying and asked us not to do anything to them, that they had families."

Villalba describes the process: "They were opened up from the chest to the belly and the intestines, the remains, taken out. The feet, arms and head were removed. It was done with machetes or with knives. The rest, the remains, was done by hand. Those of us in training took out the intestines." The training demanded it, according to him, to "prove the courage and to learn how to make people disappear".

During the month and a half that Francisco Villaba says he stayed in the course, he thrice saw the instructions in dismemberment. "I myself cut off the arm of a girl. Her head and a foot had already been cut off. She had asked that they not do it, that she had two brothers". The bodies were carried to graves there itself... where it is calculated that more than 400 people are buried.

Towards the end of last year, an informant contacted a group of investigators to tell them how before the Law of Justice and Peace was approved, heads of the paramilitaries in Cordoba and Sucre (Colombian provinces) had started to make, in some of the farms, artificial lakes for fish farming. According to the informant, people in the area had warned him that engineers who were constructing these were contributing to hiding the graves. "There are only signs," says an investigator, "but we have to dry up a pair of these to see what we find". He added that that would explain why in farms like El Palmar - paramilitary killing field in Sucre - there were caymans and crocodiles. While on the subject, Ivan Cepeda, investigator of human rights violations, says witnesses have shown to him a submission that many of the bodies were eaten up by caymans. (Abridged version of a report in El Tiempo, Bogota, April 24, 2007)

***********

Update: El Tiempo reports (April 27, 2007) that Villalba could be freed for his "valuable contribution" to the justice system. "He has collaborated a lot with us in finding graves to which we would never have had access," a high-ranking source told El Tiempo. It would also count, said the source that it was done voluntarily as he was tormented by the memories of the faces of his victims night after night. Villalba was sentenced to 33 years and 4 months in prison in 2003.

Villalba was a friend of one of the cruellest hit men of Pablo Esobar (drug lord, dead for several years now) - Dandenis Muñoz Moscera, now serving several life terms in the United States. Villalba participated in the massacres of Coloso and Pichilin (16 victims), Segovia (41) and Pueblo Bello (43) as well as El Aro (15, including many children and women), where he insists on having seen a yellow helicopter hovering overhead while the farmers were being killed.

http://www.zmag.org/znet/viewArticle/15551
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-30-09 06:20 PM
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32. Great post, and yes, there is an attempt to brainwash
Americans so there will be no objection when the US continues its S. American policies of destabilizing democracies in that part of the world, in order to steal their resources for multi-nationl corps.

But why are there efforts to support those policies on Democratic boards like this?

Chavez, eg, has championed women's rights in Venezuela, a country still so macho that even with his popularity there, he has not yet been able to get an equal rights for women law passed.

However, isn't it great to see that he has appointed women (see OP) to key government positions.

The US should be backing the Chavez government's efforts to bring about the changes so desperately needed there although even with Bush's attempts to destabilize the country, they have made remarkable progress.

I hope Obama will not be continuing US cold war policies there, promoted during the Bush years and will instead encourage the efforts of all these S. American countries who are succeeding in overthrowing their rightwing dictatorships and establishing themselves as independent democracies.

I sinderely hope he comdemns the fascism and use of death squads so familiar to our rightwing administrations here. The American people were not aware of much of what was going on during the Reagan/Bush years. But with the Internet and access to Independent news sources, there will be no excuse for them supporting any more massacres for profit in S. America.
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laughingliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-31-09 01:56 AM
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60. Great response!
I don't think many Americans are aware of the extent to which we destabilized and deposed democratically elected leaders in South America to install right wing corporate friendly dictators in South America in the 80's. It was deplorable and I just want to throw up when I hear the pseudo patriotic claptrap about Chavez 'insulting our president.' Anyone with a brain should have insulted Bush.
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bitchkitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-31-09 12:54 AM
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56. bravo! n/t
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denverbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-31-09 01:12 PM
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68. Great post!
Funny too how this 'fascist dictator' has allowed the opposition press to mercilessly campaign against him for 10 years. Hitler shut down the opposition press within a year or two of taking control. Chavez shut down a few stations recently that hadn't paid their license fees, but other than that, virtually every media outlet is operating freely.

Honduras, otoh, shut down opposition media immediately after the coup. That's how REAL dictators take care of business. Ever hear about the opposition press in North Korea or Saddam-era Iraq?

If Chavez is a dictator, he's sure doing a shitty job of dictating.

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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-31-09 01:44 PM
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70. You would think that after nearly a decade this bunch would eventually tip to the fact
that they are just wrong. They endlessly quote absurd hit-pieces and easily exposed lies, but it's the "loony left" that doesn't see how DARK SIDED he is...
:crazy:
:kick:

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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-31-09 01:51 PM
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71. ...
:applause:
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David__77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-30-09 05:48 PM
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24. The opposition are behaving like storm troopers. Arrest them and imprison them.
Criminal scum.
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robcon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-30-09 06:41 PM
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35. The police state is almost complete.
Edited on Sun Aug-30-09 06:41 PM by robcon
Terrorizing of the citizens is coming along nicely in Venezuela.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-30-09 06:42 PM
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36. So now law enforcement is terrorism?
LOL

That's hilarious.
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robcon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-30-09 06:44 PM
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37. It's law enforcement ala Che and Castro.
All political enemies are arrested, or cowed by the state police.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-30-09 06:45 PM
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38. LOL. Nope. They all get asylum here and your tax dollars support them.
Fear not. :)
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-31-09 06:27 AM
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66. uh, not saying this is, but of course law enforcement can be terrorism.
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-30-09 06:56 PM
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41. Does the right-wing even know how to protest peacefully? (nt)
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-30-09 07:06 PM
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46. Unrecced for sheer stupidity.
Which seems to be a common theme when this OP posts about Chavez.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-30-09 07:26 PM
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51. The Heritage Foundation seems to be falling on hard times.
lol
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Zorro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-30-09 09:34 PM
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55. Please point out the "sheer stupidity" of the article
Edited on Sun Aug-30-09 09:59 PM by Zorro
If you're implying it's poorly sourced and lacking of details, then we're in agreement.

If you're implying that the article is making a mountain out of a molehill, I'd say more information needs to be forthcoming.
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-31-09 01:46 AM
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58. A combination of your first point and the OP's braindead, agenda based take on it.
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tkmorris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-30-09 07:39 PM
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54. If he injured a cop he deserves to be arrested
Are you saying you disagree with that?
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dipsydoodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-31-09 03:56 AM
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65. Shouldn't this be in the humour forum ?
:sarcasm:
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Prometheus Bound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-31-09 06:34 AM
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67. The OP comments must be sarcasm. Otherwise, it's the dumbest post of the week.
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-31-09 03:59 PM
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72. "...a new education law critics say could lead to political indoctrination in schools."
Ah, the old "critics say" ploy!

Among the chief critics of the new education law, who say it "could lead to political indoctrination in schools," is the upper clergy of the Catholic Church (a particularly rightwing bunch in Venezuela). There is nobody on this earth as adept as the Catholic Church is at "indoctrination in schools." This criticism of theirs is hilarious. What they are really objecting to is, a) SECULARISM in public education, and b) loss of their state subsidies used to indoctrinate school children in their particular religion.

The Catholic Church pretty much invented the word "doctrine." And "in-doctrination" is their middle name. A bunch of fat, well-fed old men, living off the financial contributions of the poor all their lives, sit in their hovels in the Vatican and decide what the rabble must believe in order to get to Heaven. This includes all sorts of cabalistic nonsense that they have borrowed from ancient traditions to make Christianity seem difficult, and to train young minds to obey their dictates, no matter how crazy they are. Christianity is not difficult. "Love thy neighbor." That's it. But to Catholic higher clergy, in their swishy velvet robes and lace-trimmed sleeves, it requires believing that eating a piece of bread is ACTUALLY (the "Real Presence") eating Jesus! This is the sort of thing they teach. And it is NOT a metaphor, or poetic religious idea that you are free to respond to, or not. It is DOCTRINE. And if you don't believe it, you go to Hell. It is also quite political. It is related to the takeover of the Church back in the early centuries, by Karl Rove types, who were using it as a POLITICAL base--to purge those who believed in a more open-minded Christianity that was tolerant of Pagans, Jews and dissenters, and that also held egalitarian views of women. To enforce political conformism, and rule by the few, you need DOCTRINE--a set of sometimes lunatic ideas by which to demonize and exclude more tolerant individuals from power.

Fast-forward to today, and the Catholic Church--or at least its entrenched higher clergy--is still stuck in the 5th Century. You must believe this thing or that thing, or you are excommunicated (removed from the sight of God, and barred from eating Jesus' flesh and blood--meant very literally), and if you remain in that state, you go to Hell when you die. The threat is always there--they are the arbiters of Heaven and Hell--but they don't do it very often. They use "excommunication" very politically. They don't want to decimate their donor base by "excommunicating" everybody who disbelieves their Doctrines or disobeys their repressive Laws. They only "excommunicate" political threats. (For instance, some bishop threatened to "excommunicate" John Kerry for supporting abortion rights. But they don't "excommunicate"--or overtly threaten to "excommunicate"--every woman who ever had an abortion. "Sinners" can be forgiven. Public opponents must be punished. Thus their donor base in maintained.)

These Doctrines are in-doctrinated into young minds in Catholic schools. They cannot be disagreed with, in most Catholic schools. It is not a matter for debate or thought. It is DOCTRINE. It MUST be believed. That is how it is "taught."

Thus, the notion of SECULARISM--that society and the state exist as separate, independent entities, apart from the Church, and that the members of society and the citizens of a democracy have separate, independent obligations, duties and rights--is antithetical to the interests of the Church, which wants to monopolize all thoughts and loyalties, in order to perpetuate the monolithic institution headquartered in Rome.

We in the US were blessed with visionary leaders in our country's early years, who had learned the lessons of the centuries of religious war in Europe and England, and wanted to ban such conflicts from our shores. Thomas Jefferson, James Madison and others sought to ensure SECULAR government by enshrining that principle in the FIRST Amendment to the Constitution. Latin Americans were not so lucky. Their societies and governments developed differently--heavily influenced, of course, by Spain. Until recently, in Venezuela, for instance, the Church was subsidized by tax dollars. Its schools, colleges, seminaries, hospitals and other institutions got direct and significant money from the state. This was easier to obtain, and less objectionable, in countries in which most people are Catholics. (Chavez himself, for instance, is an avowed Catholic. Most Venezuelans are.) The state and the Catholic Church were often seen as one. The Church therefore became very entangled in the rich oligarchies and dictatorships that have suppressed democracy and oppressed the poor throughout Latin America. There are dissenters within the Church--generally lower clergy, who have developed their own theology, called "Liberation Theology," around the Christian obligation to side with the poor in political, economic and environmental struggles. But they have to tread carefully--and are often themselves not only suppressed by the Church, but targeted and murdered by fascist forces.

But the general thrust of the Church--in its official capacity--is anti-democratic, fascist and a political advocate of the rich. It clings to its privileges and its subsidies, and its "right" to INDOCTRINATE everybody, beginning with the young. Thus, we had the spectacle of a Catholic Cardinal signing the coup EDICTS in Venezuela, in 2002, suspending the Constitution, the National Assembly, the courts and all civil rights.

The Chavez government is trying to counter this retrograde influence by promoting a sense of civic duty--teaching civics (citizen rights and obligations) in school, and establishing schools as places for objective information and free and open debate. That is mainly what the Education Law is all about. And that is what this rightwing politician was protesting, when he hit a policeman (or whatever he is alleged to have done) in a rightwing protest against the Education Law. They are protesting SECULARISM, because the dinosaurs of the Church favor their class, support rightwing policy and sign their coup Decrees abolishing democracy!

The Education Law combines with the Chavez government policy of maximum citizenship participation in politics and government--a very successful policy, which produces big voter turnouts and lots and lots of political discussion and activity by ordinary Venezuelans. It is a very positive and progressive law. That's why the rightwing and the Church hierarchy oppose it. They oppose democracy--even as they benefit from it in numerous ways including the right to protest it and to spew their rightwing BS all over the news. You can be sure that if that rightwing protester had been a left-wing protester, and the rightwing had been in control of the government, that guy's head would have been bashed in, or he would have been tortured and 'disappeared' not just for hitting a police officer, but merely for being there. That's what Venezuela's fascists intended to do, in 2002. They had "lists" of people whom they were going to arrest and 'disappear.' (In fact, the coup TV station, RCTV, helped promulgate the List in the media, providing fascist rioters with the home addresses of members of the Chavez government.) Luckily, their coup only lasted three days, and was peacefully defeated by the Venezuelan people.

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