Israel names Russians helping Iran build nuclear bomb

[jakeXT]

Source: The Sunday Times

Israel's prime minister, Binyamin Netanyahu, has handed the Kremlin a list of Russian scientists believed by the Israelis to be helping Iran to develop a nuclear warhead. He is said to have delivered the list during a mysterious visit to Moscow.

Netanyahu flew to the Russian capital with Uzi Arad, his national security adviser, last month in a private jet.

His office claimed he was in Israel, visiting a secret military establishment at the time. It later emerged that he was holding talks with Vladimir Putin, the Russian prime minister, and President Dmitry Medvedev.

“We have heard that Netanyahu came with a list and concrete evidence showing that Russians are helping the Iranians to develop a bomb,” said a source close to the Russian defence minister last week.

Read more: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/middle_east/article6860161.ece

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interesting spin

[timeforpeace]

1. Going over Medvedev's head is probably a good idea. Bibi's a shrewd one.

[Knight Hawk]

28. Guess what?

The Russians most likely knew who was helping the Persians and the Israelis most likely knew the Russians knew but the israelis wanted to make sure the Russians knew the Israelis were hip to it.Anyone who trusts either group is NAIVE.

[jasi2006]

34. And who do you suppose helped the Israelis with their nukes?

They are good, but they didn't do it alone. I guess it might to difficult to know since so many Israelis hold dual citizenship with so many other countries, including the US. They can be identified they way that suits their interets best.

[WriteDown]

36. Assuming they have nukes...

The theory is that it was the French.

[Barack_America]

2. I'm getting suspicious about how Iran found out we knew about the Qom facility.

[sam sarrha]

6. they regularly abduct and torture anyone who might know anything, they abduct an torture

random people off the street and make them do videos about being members of a fake revolutionary group the gov made up.. then show it on TV all the time.

[Tempest]

32. Because Iran told the U.N. about it

It wasn't until after Iran informed the U.N. about the facility that the U.S. came out and said it existed.

[sam sarrha]

3. if Iran hits Israel with an atomic weapon, Israel will Vaporize every Muslim population center...it

would be a really stupid thing for Iran to do.. if they are really that delusional, their Government would be a better target than the uranium plants..

[Kurska]

4. Excuses me, that doesn't make any god damn sense.

Why would Israel nuke Istanbul? Why would Israel nuke Cairo? Why would Israel nuke Baghdad?

What kind of lunacy are you supporting when you say Israel should attack nations completely uninvolved with a war between Israel and Iran?

I'm saying this as a staunch supporter of Israel, you're fucking nuts.

[sam sarrha]

13. one nuke would end israel.. we had dooms day plans for the ussr, our subs would have nuked them

repeatedly where they were recovering every few years for decades... to make sure they paid for it if we lost the war. that is what the sub program was all about, deturant beyond the grave.

who wouldn't step on a conquering enemy till they were mush if they could.. they are supposed to have at least 60-80 atomic weapons.

one well placed nuke and for and essentially Israel will cease to exist.. it's surrounding enemies will swarm in. Revenge isn't a foreign concept for Israel. its enemies will pay from the grave. if you don't believe that.. you're out of touch. why else would they have so many nukes. Istanbul, i don't believe, is high in their enemies list..

[Historic NY]

22. one nuke would take out a lot more than Israel. What about the Palestinians?

[boppers]

23. One nuke would end Israel?

What kind of nukes are these? It would take at least 50-75 to effectively eliminate all of the military, C&C, and civilian war resources... keep in mind that Israel is close to the swiss model, where the whole of the populace is interlaced with military, or, to use the jargon of an aggressor, "using human shields".

[Historic NY]

25. I think the poster is from master--tion central.

[jasi2006]

35. I remind all that Iran has never attacked any nation. Israel and US have.

So if history is any indicator, Israel would likely attack Iran, unprovoked...just as it did Iraq. According to US/Israeli policy, only Israel has a right to protect itsself in the ME and the gulf. Obviously Iran does not have the same international and national rights that Pakistan, India, Israel, the UK, the US, and Russia has.

[WriteDown]

37. When's the last time Iran was attacked?

And how many political leaders have spoke about how Persians need to be wiped off the map?

[safeinOhio]

5. Iran has not attacked anyone in 1,000 years.

Now that there is a populist movement, why would anyone want to destroy it? Perhaps someone always needs an enemy.

[Kurska]

7. Iran has threatened to destroy Israel multiple time, don't make their regime out to be peace mongers

A populist movement doesn't slaughter protesters in the street either. The only populist movement in Iran is the Green reformists.

[safeinOhio]

14. Of course that IS the movement I spoke of.

The current ruling party and most of the settlers have all called for war. I don't know who the war mongers are.

[sam sarrha]

17. they havent had the nut cases they have now before.. they are ideological psychopaths..

i;m not convinced they intend to attack Israel, but i wouldnt be surprised that they believe in the same sort of delusional Narcissistic Utopia similar to what motivated Bu$h43, another psychopath, to invade Iraq.. who would have thought he'd a done that.?

http://www.iranian.com/Opinion/2004/August/Drugs/index.html

http://www.rferl.org/content/article/1059991.html

http://www.myantiwar.org/view/180591.html
that is about what they are reported to be using annually

[ck4829]

8. Why would Iran violate it's own "no first strike" doctrine?

I'm usually not the conspiracy theorist, but if we see a mushroom cloud in the near future, the people to look for probably won't be Iranians, but the people to first "Iran did it!" instead.

[sam sarrha]

18. it is obvious to me Iran is trying to get Israel to attack them to unify the old Ottoman empire.

[WriteDown]

38. You have to do what you have to do to...

bring back the 13th imam.

[Lagomorph]

27. and/or Mecca and the mosques

Politics is not a pillow fight.

[notadmblnd]

9. So, what is Israel going to do? Take on the Russians too?

[hobbit709]

10. When will Israel allow inspections of Dimona?

[jpak]

21. Ssshhhh - the Iranian nuclear reactors were designed produce electricity

Dimona was specifically designed and operated to produce plutonium for bombs.

:nuke:

[Scurrilous]

11. More garbage from Rupert Murdoch's News Corp. n/t

[tomm2thumbs]

12. 'they see you when you're sleeping... they know when you're awake....'

[Ezana]

16. Americans and Europeans: a victim of their imaginations.

We have all witnessed how CNN, CBS, FOX news and all other Westenr media were presenting the fallacy that Chicago was the fafourite Choice for the 2016 Olympic Game. What has happened: Chicago was the first to be eliminated. Why ?????

Can someone Explian this ???

[Igel]

29. Yes, but you have the logic backwards.

The argument went as follows:

Obama is too good a politician to go voluntarily risk losing face over high-profile trivialities.
The Olympics amount to a high-profile triviality as far as the US presidency goes.
Therefore, Obama is not going to lose face over this triviality.

The only way to not lose face over beseeching the IOC to grant him a boon is for him to receive his request.
Since Obama is not going to lose face through his beseeching, it is a foregone conclusion that he will be granted the boon he desires.

Since the boon he requests is an Olympic Games held in Chicago, Chicago will be the site selected by the OIC; they have already decided in camera.
Since Chicago is the site that the OIC has already picked, by definition it is their favorite.

The error could be in several places. Perhaps it was decided but the decision was reversed: It's been (to my amusement) suggested that the OIC was offended by Obama's conduct--able to sacrifice a few minutes from his busy schedule while other presidents camped out, for instance. Perhaps Obama isn't so good a politican that he didn't risk going to Denmark and losing face. Perhaps a good politician doesn't concern himself with the possibility of failure and focuses on the possibility of victory; perhaps he's in possession of sufficient hubris to believe failure is simply not a possible for him. Perhaps he simply likes a good fight. Maybe he wanted to stock up pickled herring. Perhaps he had heard about stød and wanted to hear what it sounded like, but couldn't get a Dane to the White House.

[orpupilofnature57]

15. I'm in the middle of an anti-Semitic trial on another thread ,for suggesting

Israel ,diplomacy wise is a liability for their ambiguous positions.Victims and Imperialists that want immunity from judgment and expect our allegiance no matter what the circumstance.

[sam sarrha]

19. bummer,,,but, you lost that one before you began.

[Wizard777]

20. The plant is designed to hold 3,000 centrifuges — enough to produce the material needed for one bomb

Now how many HUNDREDS of years would that plant have to operate at 1 bomb per year to build a nuclear arsenal for Iran that is equal to Israels nuclear arsenal?

Israel doesn't have 1 or 2 nukes. They have HUNDREDS.

[Igel]

30. Perhaps hundreds.

Perhaps less than a hundred.

Most are getting up there in years, and for the kind of war they were envisaged for they'd need to have dozens reach their targets. They wouldn't be for taking out a target against an enemy. They'd have been for taking out Syria, Iraq, Sa'udi Arabia, Jordan, Egypt, Tunisia, Lebanon, Libya, Sudan, and probably of kilotonnage that one wouldn't suffice for destroying Damascus, much less Cairo. Some are probably tactical, as well--not so great against cities, but fine for wiping out an army in Megiddo.

(Now let's see who catches the allusion.)

Iran has this official apocalyptic thing going where Israel, properly nudged, will collapse. At least that's their official rhetoric; whether or not they believe it is another matter, since honor is involved and often honor trumps truth.

[The abyss]

24. Because??

Putin/Medvedev/Russian government care about this list because....?

As if they don't know what russian resources are working within Iran? Don't know to which projects they are assigned?

Is this supposed to be a scary hit list?

Why should the russians care one way or the other?

[progressiveGI]

26. Spin - Innuendo - Smoke - Mirrors

This is part of a high stakes game - no one really knows what the truth is - these half-truths (or half lies - depending on your perspective) are spun (or leaked) in the media to keep the smoke up - and it appears that sometimes the news hungry media is simply fooled by these so called anonymous sources.

[Cobalt-60]

31. Fission Warhead=1945 technology

Any minimally industrialized nation can eventually put together a warhead.
The Trinity blast marked the escape of this genie from its bottle.
It's been too late to contain for more than 60 years.
If I were Iran, I'd want atomic weapons too. Look at their neighbors!
And If I were any nation on earth that watched the B*sh junta goose step for
8 years, I wouldn't be quite ready to trust us yet.

[fascisthunter]

33. lol

tell ya what Netanyahu, you get rid of your nukes and people around the World will consider your concerns.