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Lori Price CLG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-10-03 12:52 PM
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Marine Pilot Jailed for Refusing Vaccine
http://www.newsday.com/news/politics/wire/sns-ap-marine-anthrax,0,2995559.story

Marine Pilot Jailed for Refusing Vaccine

A Marine helicopter pilot who refused on religious grounds to receive an anthrax vaccination was dismissed from the Corps on Tuesday and ordered to serve seven months in prison...

Lori R. Price
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Poll_Blind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-03 12:14 AM
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1. Un-freaking real. Seriously.
What else can you say? Except if the government tries coming down hard on people to accept forced vaccinations they're going to create religio-militia groups overnight in this country, desperate to protect themselves from vaccines which may, for a host of reasons, violate their religious beliefs. Jehovas Witnesses aside (who forbid, if I am correct, foreign substances of all sorts into their bodies), I can see situations where vaccines derived from swine could be ultimately offensive to Jews and Moslems, among others.

Whatever. It's not like we haven't seen these boulders rolling down the hill. When they start crashing into our society they're going to be some definite push back.

PB
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ze_dscherman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-03 05:51 PM
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14. Jehovas Witnesses
They used to resent vaccines, but that was in the thirties. Right now, they refuse blood and blood derivatives of any kind to enter their body.

Good thing about them is they ever since refused to serve as soldiers as well.
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-03 12:49 AM
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2. Damned if he does, damned if he doesn't
:mad:
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jono Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-03 12:49 AM
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3. "Direct Order"
I saw Direct Order at the film festival about these mandatory, off-the-shot-record anthrax vaccinations, the things that have happened to those who took them, and the things that have happened to those who didn't. It's narrated by Michael Douglas, and it is powerful stuff! This is a horrible thing going on, and I hope this story gets some traction.

www.directorder.org
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Tinoire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-03 02:08 AM
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4. He's unfortunately not the first one
I can't say how many, but many soldiers/officers have refused this vaccine over ther last 3 years. I don't know how many were jailed but some were.

Most military people have been accepting it even if a bit reluctantly.

I hope they win though... that enough of them say NO but I don't think they ever could. What good is a soldier to the US military today if they can't innoculate him against all the horrible things we plan on unleashing?

Such a sad, sad world.
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jono Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-03 11:53 AM
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5. Kick
:kick:
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Nottingham Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-03 11:54 AM
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6. When you part of the Military your lose your rights as US citizen
Pretty scary :bounce:
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CBGLuthier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-03 12:29 PM
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7. Am I the only one who finds it funny
That god would be against him getting a vaccination but not have a problem with him killing people in a war?
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amish_enforcer Donating Member (157 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-03 12:35 PM
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8. 100 times the manu's estimate???
and these are marines? Now not all marines are going to be the pinnacle of health , but in general they are young and healthy and fit. Ie. they'd be the least effected, but 24% with major systemic reactions?? Yipes!

Join the Corps strong and healthy, leave the Corps possibly an invalid due to the vacinnation program.....sounds like a good deal huh?

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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-03 01:53 PM
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9. Hi amish_enforcer!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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Lori Price CLG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-03 10:28 PM
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19. I like your pretzel logo...
I hope the Idiot Usurper continues to eat pretzels.

:) -Lori Price
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LauraK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-03 02:00 PM
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10. I must put on the tin foil hat! What's so important about Vaccines?
If a soldier dies because he/she refused Vaccines, that is his/her problem. Why is AIDS never an issue in the military when there is plenty of bleeding during basic training. If a recruit contracted AIDS during training, wouldn't there be a law suit? I'll be there is not independant analysis of those Vaccines.
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jono Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-03 03:33 PM
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11. Tin foil hat is appropriate!
Bio-Port is the only company to manufacture these vaccines, and therefore they have an exclusive contract with the DoD. The government has granted the company legal immunity from suits stemming from the vaccinations and assumed liability.

In May 2002, 112 soldiers and their spouses filed an $8 million lawsuit against BioPort alleging negligence, breach of warranties, breach of the right to be treated with essential human dignity, strict product liability, fraud, civil rights violations and punitive damages.

"Defendants knew soldiers, like plaintiffs, were involuntarily compelled to submit to the vaccine without knowledge of these facts and circumstances," the suit claims. "Soldiers, such as plaintiffs, thus became human guinea pigs made to test a product over which defendants had the monopoly."


More here:
http://www.thetimesonline.com/articles/2003/06/22/news/top_news/8096364ebe0cdc9d86256d4c007d7c23.txt


:tinfoilhat: :tinfoilhat: :tinfoilhat:
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-03 04:41 PM
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12. btt
*****
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jono Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-03 05:25 PM
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13. What is btt? n/t
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jono Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-03 09:32 PM
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16. I just got it
- bump to top.

:kick:
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batman Donating Member (235 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-03 06:15 PM
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15. I'd rather go to prison!
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ChillEB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-03 09:41 PM
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17. This isn't gonna go over well...
Assuming that she really is a Christian Scientist, she should not have to take the shot. It is truly against her religion.

I hope congressional democrats step up to the plate and get this woman reinstated, instead of incarcerated.
Hell, the idea that the government can JAIL innocent people for refusing to let them shoot you up with chemicals is pretty goddamn scary. I don't believe the average american is going to support this action, whether they lean left OR right.
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stanwyck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-03 10:21 PM
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18. Not a "she"
the link lists the helicopter pilot as Erick, a father of five.
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Nancy Waterman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-03 10:35 PM
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20. Extraordinary numbers!
A September 2002 U.S. General Accounting Office survey of 1,253 soldiers who received the anthrax vaccination found that 84 percent suffered minor reactions. At least 24 percent had major multiple "systemic" reactions, the latter more than 100 times higher than the estimate of the manufacturer.

Sheesh!!
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Occulus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-03 11:19 PM
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21. sounds to me like
they really are using our military as test subjects in this case. When there are 'multiple systemic reactions'- and I read that to mean heart failure, respiratory failure, kidney failure, etc- it proves that the drug in question was never properly tested for human consumption to begin with. Add to that the monopoly factor and the immunity from lawsuits, and you have a ready pool of unwilling, unsuspecting human test subjects.

Sick.
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Lori Price CLG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-09-03 11:36 PM
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22. Exactamundo.
This government continually uses its military personnel for 'testing' purposes. The facts of the government's crimes emerge YEARS after the experiments, when it is 'too late' to take action.

:)-Lori Price
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jono Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-10-03 12:03 AM
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23. "Human Test Subjects" - Read This
Edited on Thu Jul-10-03 12:07 AM by jono
From http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig4/cohn3.html

That link {between episodes of adverse reaction to the vaccine} is a vaccine adjuvant – a toxic substance that boosts the efficacy of a vaccine. It’s obvious why such a course of action would be pursued by the DoD: the anthrax vaccine as it was originally developed in the early 1970s (to protect veterinarians against skin anthrax) was slow-acting. It required a six-shot series over 18 months, plus an annual booster to maintain effectiveness. What Dr. Asa found was the presence of extremely high levels of antibodies to squalene, an oil-based adjuvant known to cause autoimmune diseases, in almost 100% of her GWS patients. Squalene is commonly used as a health supplement when taken orally, but as an injected vaccine adjuvant, it has been shown to cause autoimmune diseases. The adjuvant link also explains a curious characteristic of GWS that heretofore has been a mystery: why there are a significant number of sufferers who never deployed to the Gulf, and who therefore could not have been exposed to any possible chemical weapons.

These diseases are incredibly debilitating, and include lupus, rheumatoid arthritis, ALS and multiple sclerosis. Patients suffer from blackouts, joint pain, rashes, swollen lymph nodes, memory loss, cramps, and anemia. Healthy people are incapacitated after receiving these shots. Jeff Rawls, a Marine tanker in Gulf War I, was experiencing progressive cerebral shrinkage until he was finally treated for autoimmune diseases. This is hardly a litany of minor side-effects common to any vaccine.

The problems don’t end there. FDA-tested batches of the vaccine at its production site in Michigan revealed traces of squalene in several of the lots. These batches are being administered today, under the current program. The Pentagon dismissed the finding, saying the levels found were so low as to be impossible to cause autoimmune reactions. What they failed to say was that squalene is subject to oxidation and peroxidation over time, so levels found after several years would by definition be lower than original levels. Also, according to congressional testimony by Dr. Robert Garry of Tulane University on January 24, 2002, the "anthrax bacillus is incapable of producing squalene" because anthrax lipid chains are no more than 17 carbons and monounsaturated, while squalene contains 30 carbons and is highly polyunsaturated. In other words, it didn’t just appear in the vaccine out of nowhere – it was deliberately added. Complicating the matter, not every lot has squalene, and not every manufactured lot has been tested, so in a sense, the vaccine recipient is playing Russian roulette with his or her life.

edited to move credit to top
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jono Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-10-03 12:19 PM
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24. Final kick
for a very important story

:kick:
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