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t0dd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-03-09 05:07 PM
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Sen. Bunning places second hold on Bernanke: "I will do everything I can to stop your nomination"
Source: The Hill

Sen. Jim Bunning has placed an additional hold on Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke's nomination to a second term.

Bunning's office confirmed that the Kentucky Republican is joining with Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.), who caucuses with Democrats, to seek to block Bernanke's confirmation to a second term atop the Federal Reserve Board.

Bernanke has come under fire from lawmakers on the left and the right, who have expressed varying concerns about his record as Fed chairman, though his course to a second term was eased somewhat on Thursday when a number of members of the Senate Banking Committee, including Chairman Chris Dodd (D-Conn.), expressed support for him during a confirmation hearing.

Bunning blasted Bernanke, whose nomination he did not support when President George W. Bush nominated him, during the Banking hearing.

“I will do everything I can to stop your nomination, and drag out this process as long as I can," Bunning said.


As Prepared For Delivery:

Four years ago when you came before the Senate for confirmation to be Chairman of the Federal Reserve, I was the only Senator to vote against you. In fact, I was the only Senator to even raise serious concerns about you. I opposed you because I knew you would continue the legacy of Alan Greenspan, and I was right. But I did not know how right I would be and could not begin to imagine how wrong you would be in the following four years.

The Greenspan legacy on monetary policy was breaking from the Taylor Rule to provide easy money, and thus inflate bubbles. Not only did you continue that policy when you took control of the Fed, but you supported every Greenspan rate decision when you were on the Fed earlier this decade. Sometimes you even wanted to go further and provide even more easy money than Chairman Greenspan. As recently as a letter you sent me two weeks ago, you still refuse to admit Fed actions played any role in inflating the housing bubble despite overwhelming evidence and the consensus of economists to the contrary. And in your efforts to keep filling the punch bowl, you cranked up the printing press to buy mortgage securities, Treasury securities, commercial paper, and other assets from Wall Street. Those purchases, by the way, led to some nice profits for the Wall Street banks and dealers who sold them to you, and the G.S.E. purchases seem to be illegal since the Federal Reserve Act only allows the purchase of securities backed by the government.

On consumer protection, the Greenspan policy was don’t do it. You went along with his policy before you were Chairman, and continued it after you were promoted. The most glaring example is it took you two years to finally regulate subprime mortgages after Chairman Greenspan did nothing for 12 years. Even then, you only acted after pressure from Congress and after it was clear subprime mortgages were at the heart of the economic meltdown. On other consumer protection issues you only acted as the time approached for your re-nomination to be Fed Chairman.

Alan Greenspan refused to look for bubbles or try to do anything other than create them. Likewise, it is clear from your statements over the last four years that you failed to spot the housing bubble despite many warnings.

Chairman Greenspan’s attitude toward regulating banks was much like his attitude toward consumer protection. Instead of close supervision of the biggest and most dangerous banks, he ignored the growing balance sheets and increasing risk. You did no better. In fact, under your watch every one of the major banks failed or would have failed if you did not bail them out.

On derivatives, Chairman Greenspan and other Clinton Administration officials attacked Brooksley Born when she dared to raise concerns about the growing risks. They succeeded in changing the law to prevent her or anyone else from effectively regulating derivatives. After taking over the Fed, you did not see any need for more substantial regulation of derivatives until it was clear that we were headed to a financial meltdown thanks in part to those products.

The Greenspan policy on transparency was talk a lot, use plenty of numbers, but say nothing. Things were so bad one TV network even tried to guess his thoughts by looking at the briefcase he carried to work. You promised Congress more transparency when you came to the job, and you promised us more transparency when you came begging for TARP. To be fair, you have published some more information than before, but those efforts are inadequate and you still refuse to provide details on the Fed’s bailouts last year and on all the toxic waste you have bought.

And Chairman Greenspan sold the Fed’s independence to Wall Street through the so-called “Greenspan Put”. Whenever Wall Street needed a boost, Alan was there. But you went far beyond that when you bowed to the political pressures of the Bush and Obama administrations and turned the Fed into an arm of the Treasury. Under your watch, the Bernanke Put became a bailout for all large financial institutions, including many foreign banks. And you put the printing presses into overdrive to fund the government’s spending and hand out cheap money to your masters on Wall Street, which they use to rake in record profits while ordinary Americans and small businesses can’t even get loans for their everyday needs.

Now, I want to read you a quote: “I believe that the tools available to the banking agencies, including the ability to require adequate capital and an effective bank receivership process are sufficient to allow the agencies to minimize the systemic risks associated with large banks. Moreover, the agencies have made clear that no bank is too-big-too-fail, so that bank management, shareholders, and un-insured debt holders understand that they will not escape the consequences of excessive risk-taking. In short, although vigilance is necessary, I believe the systemic risk inherent in the banking system is well-managed and well-controlled.”

That should sound familiar, since it was part of your response to a question I asked about the systemic risk of large financial institutions at your last confirmation hearing. I’m going to ask that the full question and answer be included in today’s hearing record.

Now, if that statement was true and you had acted according to it, I might be supporting your nomination today. But since then, you have decided that just about every large bank, investment bank, insurance company, and even some industrial companies are too big to fail. Rather than making management, shareholders, and debt holders feel the consequences of their risk-taking, you bailed them out. In short, you are the definition of moral hazard.

Instead of taking that money and lending to consumers and cleaning up their balance sheets, the banks started to pocket record profits and pay out billions of dollars in bonuses. Because you bowed to pressure from the banks and refused to resolve them or force them to clean up their balance sheets and clean out the management, you have created zombie banks that are only enriching their traders and executives. You are repeating the mistakes of Japan in the 1990s on a much larger scale, while sowing the seeds for the next bubble. In the same letter where you refused to admit any responsibility for inflating the housing bubble, you also admitted that you do not have an exit strategy for all the money you have printed and securities you have bought. That sounds to me like you intend to keep propping up the banks for as long as they want.

Even if all that were not true, the A.I.G. bailout alone is reason enough to send you back to Princeton. First you told us A.I.G. and its creditors had to be bailed out because they posed a systemic risk, largely because of the credit default swaps portfolio. Those credit default swaps, by the way, are over the counter derivatives that the Fed did not want regulated. Well, according to the TARP Inspector General, it turns out the Fed was not concerned about the financial condition of the credit default swaps partners when you decided to pay them off at par. In fact, the Inspector General makes it clear that no serious efforts were made to get the partners to take haircuts, and one bank’s offer to take a haircut was declined. I can only think of two possible reasons you would not make then-New York Fed President Geithner try to save the taxpayers some money by seriously negotiating or at least take up U.B.S. on their offer of a haircut. Sadly, those two reasons are incompetence or a desire to secretly funnel more money to a few select firms, most notably Goldman Sachs, Merrill Lynch, and a handful of large European banks. I also cannot understand why you did not seek European government contributions to this bailout of their banking system.

From monetary policy to regulation, consumer protection, transparency, and independence, your time as Fed Chairman has been a failure. You stated time and again during the housing bubble that there was no bubble. After the bubble burst, you repeatedly claimed the fallout would be small. And you clearly did not spot the systemic risks that you claim the Fed was supposed to be looking out for. Where I come from we punish failure, not reward it. That is certainly the way it was when I played baseball, and the way it is all across America. Judging by the current Treasury Secretary, some may think Washington does reward failure, but that should not be the case. I will do everything I can to stop your nomination and drag out the process as long as possible. We must put an end to your and the Fed’s failures, and there is no better time than now.



Read more: http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/70491-bunning-places-second-hold-on-bernanke
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mikelgb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-03-09 05:09 PM
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1. sweet. Another example of far left working with far right for some good.
that's supposed to be bad.
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HopeHoops Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-03-09 06:02 PM
Response to Reply #1
8. Maybe they've swung so far to either side that they met at the top.
You know, the pendulum does swing 180 degrees in either direction and at the top there is common ground.

It doesn't happen often, but when it does, man is it weird.

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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-03-09 10:52 PM
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29. You think so. Bernake actually prevented a total meltdown. Do you really believe that would have
been good?

Also, if you think the right and left are working for a common good, I respectfully disagree

The right not only want Obama to crash and burn, they think they can do so by causing a complete crash of the financial system

Maybe we can raise taxes, let the banks fail, and see what happens?

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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-03-09 11:11 PM
Response to Reply #29
33. Bullshit. Paulson and Bernanke ceded US sovereignty to a mob of big banks, nothing more.
Your "meltdown" would have been the well-deserved bankruptcy and liquidation of Citibank, Bank of America and Goldman Sachs, and no doubt a few dozen other practitioners of large-scale fraud and ponzi-type schemes around the world. With a little luck, it might have also taken out JPM Chase.

The Fed print would have still happened, to help FDIC cover these banks' depositors, but at a lower total than what has instead been given to the criminal class through the free flow of Fed/Treasury bailout funds in the last year.

Solvent banks and credit unions would have stepped up to pick up the lending slack - if there was a bailout for banks, all of it should have gone to assist credit unions and solvent banks in doing just that, and not to the fraudsters who placed irresponsible derivative bets in the nominal trillions.

Most likely the United States and the states would have by now established public banks to replace the Wall Street parasites.
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Celtic Merlin Donating Member (377 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-04-09 02:09 AM
Response to Reply #33
47. You see things clearly, JackRidder.
I hold a Bachelor's in Accounting with a minor in Economics. I was a Series-7 licensed financial advisor / stock broker for over 17 years. I've walked the floor of the NYSE.

Bernanke and his buddy Paulson were (and still are) the wrong men for the jobs they held. They effed over the US taxpayer to hand billions to their friends in the banking industry and on Wall St.

If America's economy is to survive - let alone recover - Bernanke must be dumped and replaced with somebody who is NOT a friend of the banking industry and the Wall St. blood suckers.

One last thing - the bailout should have been structured to get the billions into the banks THROUGH US consumers/taxpayers. This would have had the double benefit of freeing up consumer spending (which is the single largest driving force behind the US economy) while still pumping the assets into the banks themselves. But none of it should have gone to the failures. The strong banks and credit unions should have been permitted to assume the mortgages and other lending instruments of the failures and those loans (as well as many others) should have been restructured. Those institutions which assumed the loans/mortgages of the failed institutions should have received the cash to permit favorable restructuring of the debts and to keep them FULLY solvent. This way, the average US citizen sees some benefit from this bailout - not just the fatcats at the top of the stinking heap of the financial industry.

Celtic Merlin
Carlinist
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robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-04-09 03:12 PM
Response to Reply #47
64. Off topic, regarding your signature
Do you believe what http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXWzSwZ_wPs">George Carlin believes, or is "Carlinist" a reference to something else?
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-04-09 03:21 PM
Response to Reply #47
65. Thanks Celtic Merlin, Carlinist - you also see clearly. I like your ideas...
maybe they can still be implemented in the next crash, though once that happens, it will probably require a dollar reset. But hey, if Germany could do that twice in a century and come out richer than before, maybe it can work for us too.

One plan only occurred to me recently, because it would have required bailout sums that seemed inconceivable last year, but are now far less than what's been handed over to the banksters:

I think the perfect solution last year would have been to have the Fed do a print to pay off all state-level debt on the spot. Did you know that total debt of the 50 states is a mere 1.85 trillion dollars? That no longer sounds like much, compared to the 8 trillion (or more, some numbers are secret!) so far committed to floating the criminal enterprises known as "Wall Street." (As a New Yorker I hate that term - it's not the fault of New York City, damn it.)

Retiring state debt would have a) solved the financial crisis of the states instantly; b) allowed them to spend at a large deficit for a few years, which would have been a requirement of the plan; c) funneled 1.85 trillion to lenders anyway, and they'd have to figure out productive ways to re-invest it.

The other condition for a state to have its debt retired in full would have been that the state sets up its own bank with strict reserve requirements and traditional lending practices, i.e., no securitization. But also with a 4 percent interest cap and either no compound or some formula for reduced compound. These could have then kept up lending to households until the system was back on track.

But of course, that would have meant the end of "capitalism" as it has existed until now, the central feature of which is private ownership, no longer merely of the means of production, but of the creation of money. Oh horrors!
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Tansy_Gold Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-03-09 11:15 PM
Response to Reply #29
34. A total meltdown would have been painful, but it would have
removed the pernicious cancer on our economy that is Wall Street.

Do you prefer the long, slow, agonizing death we're headed for now?



meh.




Tansy Gold
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-04-09 04:26 PM
Response to Reply #34
78. That poster is suggesting we would have permitted depositors to suffer losses . . .
which is untrue --

But, basically, the American taxpayer should now own those banks --



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Tansy_Gold Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-04-09 07:14 PM
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85. The point is, however, that many "depositors" have already
suffered losses, if not directly then indirectly through losses in 401ks, pensions, wages (when union contracts were renegotiated), homes, jobs, and so on. If the loss of "insured" bank accounts through FDIC is the price we had/have to pay to break the banksters, isn't it worth it? Otherwise it's like protecting $500 worth of family silverware while the thieves steal $50,000 in jewelry.



TG
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-05-09 01:25 AM
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86. If 401K money was hooked into stock market it is lost just as any other
Edited on Sat Dec-05-09 01:28 AM by defendandprotect
money in stock market is lost when it drops -- no guarantees there.

My son's girlfriend didn't realize that and she's now changed her 401K.

Remember that Bush was trying to move Social Security money into the stock market!!

Look at the pension "losses" re Enron in California!! Huge losses due to theft

and embezzlement.

As I was saying, we CERTAINLY SHOULD AND WOULD ALWAYS HONOR FDIC DEPOSITS ....

Again, the bank should fail and taxpayers should own it --

Simply refinancing these crooks and thieves and permitting them to continue doing their

business is outrageous!

I'm sure you must recall the Savings & Loan Theft and Embezzlements . . . which were

also hugely costly for taxpayers -- $600 billion - $800 billion???

All theft and embezzlement which should have been stopped long before they impacted the

Treasury.

Yet we are permitting millions of home foreclosures -- and no renegotiation!! -- and that

doesn't effect the economy????

America . . . home of the homeless and the impoverished with 38 million on food stamps!

It is the banksters and criminals who should be on food stamps . . . not our citizens.







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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-04-09 02:01 AM
Response to Reply #29
46. You can kiss your Social Security AND Medicare goodbye if Bernanke stays in office.
Fuck him! :grr:
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beyond cynical Donating Member (150 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-04-09 07:07 AM
Response to Reply #29
50. Bernake didn't prevent anything, he only delayed the inevitable.
And now when the house of cards comes tumbling down, it will take a whole longer to rebuild.
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mikelgb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-04-09 11:00 AM
Response to Reply #29
52. I heard a good analogy earlier:
It is like a Doctor saying he will cure you by bleeding you, so he bleeds you but you get sicker and close to death, then at the last second he puts bandage on and says "I did good right?"
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BREMPRO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-04-09 11:31 AM
Response to Reply #29
54. bernanke does not get enough credit here for avoiding a financial meltdown
i'm really puzzled at all the criticism. He's not a wall street lackey- he's a former professor of economics, an expert in the great depression, from a modest background, and has always been a public servant his whole life. He's not the evil monster he's being made out to be here. Rather have Bernanke than Summers as Fed Chair.
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-04-09 03:33 PM
Response to Reply #29
70. It is no longer about Obama or any other politician anymore
It is about what these people, Bernanke, Greenspan and every politician who encouraged them, on the left and the right, have done to this country.

Politicians are not rock stars, much as some people seem to view them that way. They are there to serve the interests of the American people, that is all. Obama's cabinet choices said a lot about whose side he was on, but the people didn't have much choice.

Now, over and over again, the people, across the political spectrum, have let DC know what they think of these failures, like Bernanke, Geithner and Rubin and Summers, Greenspan and their ilk. It's time for this administration to start listening or they will be judged as part of the problem.

Tell me, why would Obama choose to keep these Bush holdovers in his cabinet? Are you saying that in this entire country there was no one other than the ones who caused the problem, who could fix it, while at the same time holding the likes of Bernanke et al responsible for their failure.

THEY COLLAPSED this country's economy!! Why are they still around in positions of power? I can think of a dozen people off the bat, who the people could have far more confidence in to work for US, rather than this guy who is viewed, and rightly so, as someone who serves only the interests of his corporate masters and who, at the very least, failed miserably to stop the disaster that was happening on his watch, and at worst, did it deliberately. Shame on Obama for not kicking him out when he had the chance.

Not to mention Bernanke's open admission that he'd like to see the end of any programs that help the American people.

Wake up, we are way beyond where we have the luxury of fighting for a politician we happen to like. The country is a mess and we don't have time to worry about politicians, unless they are worrying about the issues we elected them to worry about. And so far, I see a whole lot of concern for Wall St. from this administration and not a lot for the American people.

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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-04-09 04:29 PM
Response to Reply #70
79. Terrific post . . . . !!
:)
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-04-09 03:56 PM
Response to Reply #29
72. BS. The total meltdown wasnt prevented only postponed. We borrowed money from our grandchildren
to keep the bubble going. But sooner or later it has to crash. All bubbles burst, some just quicker than others. We bailed the banks out and what did they do? Went right back to gambling like they were before. Bernanke has to go. He failed at everything he was expected to do.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-04-09 04:21 PM
Response to Reply #29
77. This is way beyond rewarding failure, it's rewarding total corruption . . .
Edited on Fri Dec-04-09 04:23 PM by defendandprotect
and the corruption begins from the top down -- with Repug administrations who appoint

those like Greenspan and Bernanke --

You're arguing that we can't and shouldn't rid ourselves of the insanity and corruption

of capitalism . . . we should and we can based on a firm understanding of its corruptions.

Our Treasury has been bankrupted by the right wing, largely by using "war" --

and our local and state governments have been bankrupted by lowering taxes on the wealthy.

RESTORE the taxes on elites --

Eliminate the higher FICA taxes that middle class and poor Americans have been paying for

decades to create a greater slush-fund SURPLUS for the use of corrupt government!!

The SURPLUS as used by the GOP is a slush fund for war and corruption --- heaven only knows

what's it's been used for, including CIA covert operations for all we know!!

No one is letting the banks fail as FAR AS THE DEPOSITOR IS CONCERNED ...

However, US taxpayers should now own those banks.


MEANWHILE . . . where is re-regulation of capitalism?

Unregulated capitalism is merely organized crime!


And where is the Democratic Party movement to END the trade agreements sucking jobs

away from America?



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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-04-09 11:49 AM
Response to Reply #1
55. another example of an ignorant moderate
Edited on Fri Dec-04-09 11:49 AM by fascisthunter
who unwittingly helps the GOP more than they want to realize.
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-04-09 03:59 PM
Response to Reply #55
73. I dont think it is unwittingly. That post looks like a drive by fruiting. nt
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-05-09 11:03 AM
Response to Reply #73
87. lol
"drive by fruiting"
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laughingliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-03-09 05:15 PM
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2. Let's hope Bernanke's attack on SS & Medicare today will encourage more to follow suit nt
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Hawkeye-X Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-03-09 05:16 PM
Response to Reply #2
3. Ber-snake's nomination is dead in the water
Time to get a non-Wall Streeter financial genius on the head of the Fed.

Hawkeye-X
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laughingliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-03-09 05:21 PM
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4. From your lips to ...
Edited on Thu Dec-03-09 05:21 PM by laughingliberal
Please, please, please, let Hawkeye's pronouncement be accurate.
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mbperrin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-03-09 07:53 PM
Response to Reply #4
12. Yes, I hope so!
B-man has been a total disaster for those of us on the ground....
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geckosfeet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-03-09 05:31 PM
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6. Hope so.
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BR_Parkway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-04-09 12:57 PM
Response to Reply #3
58. Elizabeth Warren would be a great choice I think - she actually "gets
it" - without the middle class doing well, the country won't do well
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-04-09 04:39 PM
Response to Reply #58
84. Everyone "gets that" -- but what's been going on is crime and corruption . . .
This isn't about "getting it" -- it's about recognizing that most of our Congress and

elected officials have been corrupted by corporatism.



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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-04-09 04:31 PM
Response to Reply #3
80. Maybe . . . if we all get very noisy about it --- !!!!
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aldo Donating Member (297 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-03-09 05:27 PM
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5. Great start - now, dissolve the unconstitutional Fed
Also arrest Bernanke, Geithner and Summers for fraudulent conveyance of public monies for the AIG pass-through. Other frauds should enable us to arrest Greenspan and others.
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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-03-09 05:53 PM
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7. The irony is that Greenspan told Japan not to prpop up their banks..
Japan didn't listen. Now we've followed them down the same path, only we are in a far inferior economic position than Japan was in 1990.
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-03-09 10:55 PM
Response to Reply #7
30. You think letting the banks go under would really help the little guy?
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Raineyb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-03-09 11:03 PM
Response to Reply #30
32. Do you think using taxpayer money to help big banks get bigger helps anyone other than those
who run those banks?
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-03-09 11:15 PM
Response to Reply #30
35. Do you think there were no solvent banks left last year?
In fact there were hundreds of them. They would have survived the bankruptcy of Citibank, Goldman and JPM, and they would now be prospering and lending. Instead, the most predatory and irresponsible players were propped up with trillions from Fed and taxpayers, so that they could continue in their unscrupulous practices and drive more and more of the solvent banks out of business.
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-04-09 02:32 AM
Response to Reply #35
49. Sorry, but Goldman was never even close to bankruptcy. Yes, Citi and AIG were, but the
problem with AIG is that a lot of money market money was wrapped up with them, and those MM accounts were not insured.

We were as close as we could get to a liquidity crisis, and it would have been a disaster, there would NOT have been any lending. Banks were not even lending to each other


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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-04-09 12:18 PM
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56. Had AIG Been Allowed to Explode, Goldman Would be Where Lehman Bros. Is Now
That AIG bailout passed right through like a laxative to GS and several European banks.
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-04-09 03:26 PM
Response to Reply #56
68. Goldman got $13 bn minimum through AIG, and another $10 or so from TARP.
They paid back the TARP and this bullshit move actually was touted as "freeing" themselves from public obligations. Then they announced a $13 billion profit (gee, where did that come from?) and paid out new record bonuses (which is the whole point of everything they do - their own enrichment first). Who knows how much more they got through AIG and other bailouts via third institutions who owed them on other derivative bets.

And they got to appoint the Treasury personnel as usual, of course.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-04-09 04:35 PM
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82. "Explode"...? You mean collapse of their own corruption and criminality????
Citizens are the ones to be bailed out -- the corporation itself then gets

nationalized -- assets owned by the public.
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-05-09 08:08 PM
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89. Boy did I have a different impression. You are right, thanks for correcting me
Geithner was Interviewed By Bloomberg: Says Goldman Would Have Failed

During an interview on Bloomberg's Political Capital, Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner defended the government's bailout of wall street banks and disputed claims by Goldman Sachs that the company did not need government help. Bloomberg's Alan Hunt interviewed Geithner for almost 15 minutes, prodding Geithner to weigh in on everything from a possible tax on financial transactions to executive pay.

Defending the bailout, Geithner disputed claims by Goldman Sachs's CEO Lloyd Blankfein that the company would have survived. Geithner:
"None of them would have survived" had the government stood aside and let the crisis run its course, he said. "The entire U.S. financial system and all the major firms in the country, and even small banks across the country, were at that moment at the middle of a classic run, a classic bank run."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/12/05/geithner-interviewed-by-b_n_381460.html

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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-03-09 11:47 PM
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38. 100% YES.
They should have been broken up in a normal bankruptcy liquidation process, not had their rapaciousness subsidized by the taxpayer. Now we're right where Japan was in the 90s. Only worse.

I can guarantee you that winners would have emerged from this process and life would have gone on. A harder crash perhaps, but a stronger recovery based on fundamentals and not fake money.
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-04-09 02:26 AM
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48. Broken up YES, bankruptcy, no way. We wouldn't be discussing this right now if that happened
we would be reliving the great depression, no thank you.

and yes, they should have rolled back the regulation that was taken away

It wouldn't be just a harder crash, people's pensions and 401Ks would have been completely wiped out

A good book on the subject, The Great Crash, 1929, John Kenneth Galbraith


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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-04-09 03:29 PM
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69. We ARE reliving the Great Depression, at about the same pace.
Bush and Obama have so far run the Hoover program of saving banks instead of creating millions of jobs. Also, the usual postwar program of military Keynesianism (the latest wave was just announced day before yesterday).

Given how things have played out so far, I shudder to think what a Republican FDR will look like in 2012.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-04-09 04:37 PM
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83. Depositors were NOT covered during the Depression . . . they are now . ..
Letting banks fail has nothing to do with honoring insured accounts of depositors --

Yes, let the bank fail and the government take over the assets --

Unregulated capitalism is merely organized crime --

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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-04-09 02:24 PM
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60. "winners would have emerged from this process"
you got that one right, the only thing is, it wouldn't have been the winners the wealthy would have wanted.

They saw the apple cart about to be over turned and the rich kicked their various store bought senators in the nuts and told them to give them taxpayer money pronto. Otherwise, the political contributions would vanish.
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-04-09 12:18 PM
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57. Yup
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-04-09 04:33 PM
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81. Depositiors would be covered . . . needless to say . . . HOWEVER,
the bank and its ownership would change hands -- i.e., be nationalized.

What we bail out we should own.

And this is all simply corruption, criminal activity --
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Fire1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-03-09 07:30 PM
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9. If only. n/t
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senseandsensibility Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-03-09 07:36 PM
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10. Whoa
:wow:
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scentopine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-03-09 07:45 PM
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11. Get these wall street fuckers out of government -nt
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wordpix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-04-09 12:00 AM
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39. get their MONEY out of elections & get government to TAX their obscene profits & salaries
Edited on Fri Dec-04-09 12:01 AM by wordpix
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scentopine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-04-09 12:53 AM
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45. You are right about that!
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-03-09 07:56 PM
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13. i guess a republican is good for something.....
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-03-09 08:31 PM
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14. Guess it is no joke that politics makes strange bedfellows..
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louis-t Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-03-09 08:48 PM
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15. Wouldn't it be funny if Obama did this cuz he knew
repugs would go against anything he does or seems to want?
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pmorlan1 Donating Member (763 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-03-09 08:54 PM
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16. For Once I Can Support My State's Junior Senator
I knew if I waited long enough that one day I'd agree with Senator Bunning. Today is that day.
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ozone_man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-03-09 09:00 PM
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17. Epic Fail for Bernanke.
Finally, the libertarian left and right are joining hands to fight the corporate, fascist middle. This includes Dennis Kucinich and Ron Paul, Bernie Sanders and Sen. Bunning, and many more. Strange bedfellows but Constitutional ones, and it's going to be the only way we get our country back. Time to dismantle the FED.
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-04-09 03:45 PM
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71. Don't forget Alan Grason and Ron Paul on auditing the Fed.
They got too greedy. They fooled a lot of people for a long time, but when they nearly gobbled up the entire country's economy, people on all sides joined forces to say they wanted them gone. Congress ended up being threatened into the people once again, and the criminals were bailed out in spite of them.

I agree with Bunning on this, in fact his entire speech is the kind of speech I thought we'd be hearing from a Democratic Administration.

Back when the Glass/Steagall Act was rescinded, there were only a few voices who spoke out against it also. One was Senator Dorgan. DC celebrated that bill, Dems and Repubs and viewed Dorgan as someone who just didn't get how behind the times he was. But, his words from back then, have come true. Bernie Sanders and Bunning's words will return to haunt us also if we continue to reward those who cause the near collapse of this country's economy.

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ingac70 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-03-09 09:11 PM
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18. This is the kind of bipartisanship I wish to see. n/t
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sandyj999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-04-09 11:24 AM
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53. Amen to That! n/t
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MasonJar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-03-09 09:21 PM
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19. Speaking as a constituent of Senator Bunning, I can honestly admit
that this is the first time I have ever agreed with him. I can also say with not even a small doubt in my mind that he did not personally write the above; he is too senile. Glad he got one right in three terms.
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-04-09 12:43 AM
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44. LOL, yea it only took him 18 years
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N_E_1 for Tennis Donating Member (437 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-03-09 09:35 PM
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20. Together
we may just fix this sh*t.
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WhiteTara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-03-09 09:42 PM
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21. Bunning is so toasted in the GOP
that he must have decided to be a human being.
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Arkana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-03-09 10:25 PM
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28. Pretty sure his reason and Sanders' reason are not the same.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-03-09 09:53 PM
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22. GOOD! Not as good as hanging, but I'm flexible.
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quiet.american Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-03-09 10:00 PM
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23. This is an example of "green shoots" of bipartisanship I can get behind. nt
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midnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-03-09 10:02 PM
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24. Powerful words.
"Four years ago when you came before the Senate for confirmation to be Chairman of the Federal Reserve, I was the only Senator to vote against you. In fact, I was the only Senator to even raise serious concerns about you. I opposed you because I knew you would continue the legacy of Alan Greenspan, and I was right. But I did not know how right I would be and could not begin to imagine how wrong you would be in the following four years."
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-03-09 10:10 PM
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25. But isn't President Obama supporting Bernanke, as is Senator Chris Dodd?
Shouldn't we bow down to the Democratic establishment as it bows down to the US ruling elites?
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-03-09 10:18 PM
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26. We need a bow down smilie
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-03-09 11:00 PM
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31. I think Bernie Sanders' criticism of Bernanke is worth listening to
I don't think anything that comes out of Jim Bunning's senile mouth is worth listening to.
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wordpix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-04-09 12:06 AM
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41. Sen Dodd should watch out - he is deep in the banks' doo-doo
As Chair of Senate Banking, he is bedded down with the bankers and Wall Street. I'm a CT resident and I've liked him for many years, but now think he's been too influenced by the campaign donations from the banking industry.

And notice, suddenly he's taking over Ted K's job as head of the health care reform. I think he's trying to distance himself from bankers and Wall St. CT has been grumbling about him and the grumbles are getting louder.
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PHIMG Donating Member (814 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-04-09 12:09 AM
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42. Two questionable incumbents
Dodd is so tainted and vulnerable by all this and yet he was gifted the re-nomination on a Silver Platter.

I really hope that an Indy can get into the race to keep it somewhat competitive for a non-Republican outcome. Dodd can't win in a 2 person race, I'd bet dollars to donuts.

And if we don't get a 180 from Obama I think the same about him as well.

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Mudoria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-03-09 10:18 PM
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27. That was a pretty damning indictment of Bernanke and Greenspan..
Edited on Thu Dec-03-09 10:18 PM by Mudoria
Greenspan deserves the majority of the blame since encouraged this type of behavior his entire term. But Bernanke continued the Greenspan policies which led us to where we are today. I'd say Elizabeth Warren might be a good Fed chairperson.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-04-09 04:11 PM
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75. It's the FED itself and its politics -- not to mention the corruption of our entire government!!
Economic policy should be sent by CONGRESS -- that's why we elect them ...

However, it would make corruption too obvious to the public -- and it has political

overtones -- create jobs? Go for 0% unemployment? Or give welfare to the rich?

Too obvious to the general public what would be going on --

But that's what we elect our representatives to do -- set economic policy.


The FED is huge corruption and should be overturned --
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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-03-09 11:18 PM
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36. Now that's what I call a comprehensive, detailed, and impressive smack-down...
Go get'im Senator Bunning. This consumer thanks you.

Hekate

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orbitalman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-03-09 11:36 PM
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37. Is this the way we keep Obama in Check? What ever it takes. n/t
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western mass Donating Member (718 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-04-09 12:05 AM
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40. The Right-Wing saves us from Obama again
Pathetic.
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alp227 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-04-09 12:29 AM
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43. Anyone saw that Frontline episode "The Warning"?
That episode profiled Brooksley Born getting attacked by Greenspan. Good to see some senators doing something about those irresponsible banks.
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beyond cynical Donating Member (150 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-04-09 07:20 AM
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51. Bunning and Sanders can do whatever they want, it will not matter.
Reid, Schumer, McConnell, et al will not put up with this for long. They will either ram Beranke's nomination through or replace him with a clone.
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Optimistic Donating Member (139 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-04-09 01:19 PM
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59. Normally a Wacko Right Winger
But Bunning and Sanders working together is good
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-04-09 02:28 PM
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61. I have a theory about that...
I believe that there are more than a few closet moderate repubs, but the problem is, failin quitter and the rest of her barn yard morons, have so skewed the right into extremism, that even a moderate repub senator has to play to these mouth breather if he or she wants to remain relevant to the insane conversation. So when something like this comes along that plays to their moderate bones, they can run with it an not hurt their street cred among the politically insane.
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skyounkin Donating Member (722 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-04-09 02:35 PM
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62. Well, this should be good
since reid only listens to republicans.
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-04-09 02:35 PM
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63. Good news. What a day it would be
when the left and right constituency actually get something GOOD accomplished together for all our survival.
That there would be a growing understanding of the class war being waged, not so much on right or left, but by top on the bottom.
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swilton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-04-09 03:25 PM
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66. I have two - do I hear three?!
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24601 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-04-09 03:26 PM
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67. Have any Dems come out against him or is it only a repug and an
independent?
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-04-09 04:08 PM
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74. Bernanke and the FED are simply stealing from the Treasury . . .
Edited on Fri Dec-04-09 04:42 PM by defendandprotect
and, IMO, bankrupting the Treasury is one of the fastest and easiest ways to defeat

democracy --


Meanwhile, presume that Bunning is a Repug?

Even a broken clock is right . . . ????



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ellie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-04-09 04:12 PM
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76. I have to say I agree with this.
Also, I like the job Brunner is doing as Ohio SOS. I hate to think of who they would get in there if she goes to the senate.
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SlowDownFast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-05-09 11:14 AM
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88. Good. Obama fails us once again by re-nominating this smug banker. n/t
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-06-09 04:54 PM
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90. kick--if Obama won't make these bastards heel, maybe Bernie can...
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