Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

Russian Nuclear Missile Test Fails, Visible In Norway

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Latest Breaking News Donate to DU
 
WriteDown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-10-09 10:42 AM
Original message
Russian Nuclear Missile Test Fails, Visible In Norway
Source: NYT

MOSCOW (Reuters) - Russia admitted on Thursday another failed test of its much-touted Bulava intercontinental missile, after unusual lights were spotted in Norway across the border from the launch site.

The submarine-based Bulava (Mace) missile has been billed as Russia's newest technological breakthrough to support its nuclear deterrent, but the repeated test failures are an embarrassment for the Kremlin.

The missile failed in its 13th test on Wednesday morning, Russia's leading economic dailies Vedomosti and Kommersant reported on Thursday, quoting sources in the military-industrial complex.

Hours later, the Defense Ministry admitted the failure, saying the launch had been made by the Dmitry Donskoi nuclear submarine from a submerged position in the White Sea.

"It has been established ... that the missile's first two stages worked as normal, but there was a technical malfunction at the next, third, stage of the trajectory," a Defense Ministry spokesman said.

Norwegian experts reported sighting of phenomena in the atmosphere near the White Sea, where earlier Bulava rockets were fired, the Kommersant and Vedomosti newspapers reported....


Read more: http://www.nytimes.com/reuters/2009/12/10/world/international-us-russia-missile-failure.html



Odd that this was centered in the Norwegian sky. I thought God was just pleased that B one the Nobel Peace prize. :)

The photos of this thing are bizarre.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
kenny blankenship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-10-09 10:50 AM
Response to Original message
1. there's something you don't see everyday
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
AlphaCentauri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-10-09 10:55 AM
Response to Reply #1
2. That doesn't look like a regular missile failure
most likely a vacuum bomb
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
The Stranger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-10-09 10:57 AM
Response to Reply #2
4. What does it do?
Vacuum everything up? (I'm glad it failed, maybe they'll spend their money on something else now.)
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
AlphaCentauri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-10-09 11:03 AM
Response to Reply #4
5. It's like a green bomb that does not pollute the ecosystem
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
WriteDown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-10-09 11:10 AM
Original message
Thank goodness the Russians actually care about our
environment with their incredibly scary bomb tests.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
AlphaCentauri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-10-09 11:12 AM
Response to Original message
8. sure they do
after Chernobyl they know what it is to contaminate the the land and make it useless. What would they gain in a war if they pollute the resources of the countries they would engage in a war?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
dipsydoodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-10-09 11:31 AM
Response to Reply #8
10. Remove competition
seems to be the obvious answer to your question. :shrug:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
sofa king Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-10-09 11:23 AM
Response to Reply #5
9. That used to be called a "fuel-air explosive."
And it was a "terra-ist" weapon back when Poppy Bush (the smarter one) was lying to us about Saddam's weapons of mass destruction just before Oil War One. It pollutes just as much as if you'd spilled a couple tons of gasoline, then ignited it. That's not radiation, but it ain't "green," either.

My best guess is that the spiral "cloud" is actually a projection of the surface of the lens of an enormous spotlight, shone along the projected launch trajectory of the rocket (blue exhaust trail).
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
kenny blankenship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-10-09 11:46 AM
Response to Reply #9
11. More pics AND video




video
http://link.brightcove.com/services/player/bcpid1562587976?bctid=55946023001

I saw another video of it last night, which I'll try to find again.

The spiral cloud is real - it also rotates. When I was a kid I shot a model rocket motor (no rocket body, just the engine) out of a pipe. The rocket motor shot out of the pipe straight but without stabilizing surfaces it immediately wobbled into a crazy spiral. It still went upward, but spiraling on its side. Instead of a thousand-odd feet it went up maybe a hundred. The spiral ejecta seen in the pictures is very likely the same kind of phenomenon. The missile's guidance failed early on- it couldn't correct a wobble which you can see in the bright blue launch plume becomes a flat spiral as the rocket motor reaches an upper layer of the atmosphere. The temperature difference in the stacked layers of the atmosphere probably causes the rocket exhaust to appear to shift from icy blue to white.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
krispos42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-10-09 11:56 AM
Response to Reply #11
12. I'm surprised the rocket stayed intact under such stress
and didn't break up and explode
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
kenny blankenship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-10-09 12:18 PM
Response to Reply #12
14. I would bet it's a solid rocket motor - like the space shuttle boosters
or an Estes brand model rocket. No moving parts involved in the propulsion end. No doubt the control surfaces ripped off - and there would probably be a visible transition then. If you could view the launch from an axis perpendicular to the trajectory, the wobble would probably go from corkscrew to flat spiral at that point. The rocket body -whatever was left of it as the payload section most likely snapped off- would probably slow up radically as the force of the still burning rocket turns the broad surface of the booster this way and that against the direction it was formerly traveling. It would continue in that initial trajectory but not as before - not accelerating anymore but decelerating. Meanwhile the booster continues to spew exhaust as the rocket spirals - producing the pinwheel effect in the sky which looks to a ground observer as flat as can be.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
krispos42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-10-09 01:36 PM
Response to Reply #14
20. Ah, that would explain it.
SRB's don't go out until they're done burning, one way or another.

I bet we have undersea salvage units convering on the area, hoping to find some interesting bits and pieces left over. :-)
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
eppur_se_muova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-11-09 02:14 AM
Response to Reply #11
25. Sorta like this?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Thothmes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-11-09 05:32 AM
Response to Reply #9
26. We used FAE weapons during the final stages of the
Vietnam war.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
WriteDown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-10-09 10:56 AM
Response to Reply #1
3. Haha....
It doesn't even look real. If I had seen it live, I would have been thinking "dimensional portal."
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
AlphaCentauri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-10-09 11:10 AM
Response to Reply #3
7. Russians might be testing a spire fractal design bomb
a missile that can drill holes before it explode

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Ter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-10-09 01:36 PM
Response to Reply #1
21. Looks like a portal to an alternate universe
Cover up?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-10-09 11:07 AM
Response to Original message
6. yeah...pull the other one and it plays jingle bells.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
On the Road Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-10-09 12:07 PM
Response to Original message
13. "Bulava" Missle?
I assume the failure was due to the timing mechanism. (g)
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Dover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-10-09 12:19 PM
Response to Original message
15. Russia developed the missile in answer to U.S. missile defense systems...
Development begain in 1999.
In light of the fact that the U.S. has purportedly scrapped plans for installing a missile defense system at Russia's border, it's interesting that Russia is pursuing this and apparently in a very public way. Is it a message or what's going on with that 'agreement'? Or perhaps it's just a 'reminder' to the U.S. as pressures mount around how to deal with Iran.
At any rate, there was foreknowledge of this test which was originally planned for October, then again in November.


Q+A-Russia delays test of troubled Bulava missile
http://www.reuters.com/article/latestCrisis/idUSGEE5AN0F7


Russia Responds to US Shield With Bulava Missiles
December 02, 2008 11:28 AM

Russia has declared that it will produce a stockpile of new intercontinental ballistic missiles, in an apparent attempt to counter the planned U.S. missile defense shield...cont'd
http://www.findingdulcinea.com/news/international/2008/December/Russia-Responds-to-US-Shield-With-Bulava-Missiles.html


Some info on the Bulava-Mace Missile -

The Bulava design is based on the Topol M, but is both lighter and more sophisticated. The two missiles are expected to have comparable ranges, and similar CEP and warhead configurations.

The Russian military developed Bulava to possess advanced defense capabilities making it nearly impervious to existing and future missile-defense systems. Among its claimed abilities are evasive maneuvering, mid-course countermeasures and decoys and a warhead fully shielded against both physical and Electromagnetic pulse damage. The Bulava is designed to be capable of surviving a nuclear blast at a minimum distance of 500 meters.<3> Prime minister Putin has claimed that Bulava could penetrate any potential anti-missile defence system.

The Bulava is able to carry up to 6-10 MIRV warheads with a yield of 100-150 kT each.<2> A full-capacity payload requires the forfeiture of all final stage countermeasures and of some shielding...cont'd


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RSM-56_Bulava



More Info -

http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/topics/Bulava_(missile)
http://www.astronautix.com/lvs/bulava.htm
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
WriteDown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-10-09 12:52 PM
Response to Reply #15
17. Or maybe its a message that they never really cared
about the defense shield in the first place. Seems like their plans are still going full speed ahead. Scary stuff .
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Dover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-10-09 02:41 PM
Response to Reply #17
24. Or....maybe it was timed for Obama's Nobel visit to Norway...n/t
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Lurks Often Donating Member (505 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-11-09 10:56 AM
Response to Reply #17
27. here's another explanation
The United States and the USSR/Russia have always had a triad approach to the delivery of nuclear weapons, with the three parts of the triad being land based ICBMs, sea based ICBMs (and to a much lesser degree nuclear armed cruise missiles) and land based aircraft with either free fall nuclear bombs or nuclear armed cruise missiles. The Triad approach is used because it would be almost impossible to eliminate all three parts of the triad at the same time, with submarine launched ballistic missiles being the hardest to destroy.

Apparently the ballistic missile submarines that the Russians use to use are reaching the end of their service life. The Russians have a new ballistic submarine coming into service, but it can not use the ballistic missiles from the submarines that are leaving service as the missiles are too big. The Russians have a new missile in development, which is the one in article, but the tests have been mostly unsuccessful, with the failures being attributed to poor quality control of the components.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Kolesar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-10-09 12:47 PM
Response to Original message
16. I saw video of this on TV this morning--quite a sight...eom
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
cory777 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-10-09 01:08 PM
Response to Original message
18. or
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Number9Dream Donating Member (574 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-10-09 01:10 PM
Response to Original message
19. Doggone it, Joe... it's a sign...
From Izquierdo over at Suburban Guerrilla:

Clearly, this is a divine omen. God has opened a door, and someone blessed will now walk through it.

Just as there was a star in the East 21 centuries ago in the twelfth month, so is this a December star shining brightly in the North, prophesizing that the former governor of the northernmost state, arrayed in the most sumptuous of garments and wandering in the desert in chartered aircraft and busses to bring her new bibles to the faithful, is being born again politically to save the world from the sins of its evil governments and corrupt “gotcha” mainsteream media.

Will the world be ready for this divine gift, or will it crucify this daughter of God, just as it once crucified the son of God 2100 years ago?

Or perhaps it is prophesizing the divinity of the youngest son of this daughter of God, conceived without man and born in less than two months, who she rightly calls a gift from God?

May the Good Lord bless us all, for we are truly blessed to live in such divinely blessed times. You betcha!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-10-09 01:50 PM
Response to Original message
22. Missiles have failed before, let's see all the old photographs of similar phenomenon.
Then I'll believe this explaination.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Algorem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-10-09 02:15 PM
Response to Original message
23. wonder what it really was
russia always tells everyone about their missiles
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Thu May 02nd 2024, 10:59 AM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Latest Breaking News Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC