Spain: More al Qaeda links found

[HollywoodLiberal]

CNN claims to have a document from Al Queda to place Socialists in power..

Monday, March 15, 2004 Posted: 5:04 PM

MADRID, Spain (CNN) -- One of the five men arrested in connection with the deadly Madrid train bombings has links to the plotters of an al Qaeda-linked bombing in Casablanca last year, CNN has learned.

CNN also has obtained an al Qaeda document that spells out the terrorist group's plan to separate Spain from the U.S.-led coalition on Iraq.

The strategy spelled out in the document, posted last December on the Internet, calls for using terrorist attacks to drive Prime Minister Jose Maria Aznar's Partido Popular from power and replace it with the Socialists.

That was expected to drive a wedge between Washington and Madrid and result in the withdrawal of Spanish military forces from Iraq.

"We think the Spanish government will not stand more than two blows, or three at the most, before it will be forced to withdraw because of the public pressure on it," the al Qaeda document says.

"If its forces remain after these blows, the victory of the Socialist Party will be almost guaranteed -- and the withdrawal of Spanish forces will be on its campaign manifesto."

That prediction came to fruition in elections Sunday, with the Socialists unseating the Popular Party three days after near-simultaneous bombings of four trains killed 200 and shocked the nation.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/europe/03/15/spain.invest/index.html

Haha. They think this will make people go "the answer is to elect the right wingers?"

Nonsense. There's only one lesson here for BushCo. The fastest way to eliminate terrorism is to elect socialism.

Does anyone believe this nonsense? Isn't this prety much proof that BushCo and Rummy were behind the bombings?

[hatrack]

1. Do they really think people are that stupid?

Then again, it's CNN - what else could you possibly expect?

[0007]

49. CNN is the White House's hot line

[nolabels]

51. Powell keeps on forgeting to read memo about the hotline too

Powell: Too Soon to Link Spain, al - Qaida
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x422398

[DuctapeFatwa]

2. ROFLMAO (nt)

[qanda]

3. Oh, please spare me!

This is the biggest crock of bull I've ever heard.

[newyorican]

4. BWA-HAHAHAHA

Sour Sangria...

[NYC]

5. I do like the conclusion you drew.

"There's only one lesson here for BushCo. The fastest way to eliminate terrorism is to elect socialism."

[Spazito]

6. Wow, written by the same person as the Niger document!

What a coincidence! How much more pathetic can CNN become!

[ewagner]

7. Heard the same report on NPR

around 1:30 Central time. Apparently the memo/letter was intercepted by a Dutch(?) intelligence source. Which begs the question: If that was in their hands in September why wasn't Spanish intelligence made aware of it?

None of the above does anything to discount the possibility that the letter/memo was a fraud to begin with.

[Coventina]

8. Spin has officially reached tornado force!

[Just Me]

9. OMG!!! What an incredible coincidence!!!

Geez. This is so freakin' silly. I definitely have a helluva lot more respect for the intelligence of the American people than these elitists.

[robcon]

10. I disagree totally with your conclusions.

You wrote "...Haha. They think this will make people go "the answer is to elect the right wingers?"

The answer isn't to elect right-wingers. It is to take a firm stand, including military power, against terrorists.

"...Nonsense. There's only one lesson here for BushCo. The fastest way to eliminate terrorism is to elect socialism.

How does socialism eliminate terrorism? Where did you get that connection? What terrorism has been eliminated?

"...Does anyone believe this nonsense? Isn't this pretty much proof that BushCo and Rummy were behind the bombings?"

If that is your standard of "proof" I've got a few black helicopters to sell you.

[HollywoodLiberal]

To answer your questions...

"The answer isn't to elect right-wingers. It is to take a firm stand, including military power, against terrorists."
Why engage these guys at all? They wouldn't attack us if we stopped murdering them.

"How does socialism eliminate terrorism? Where did you get that connection? What terrorism has been eliminated?" Spain could be safer with a socialist government because they mind their own business and tend to the needs of their OWN people.

"If that is your standard of "proof" I've got a few black helicopters to sell you." You can't admit that it seems pretty obvious that BushCo would try and spin this crap into something political with their fake evidence and B.S. terrorist scares?

[fishnfla]

20. with you

this is twisted.
the terrorists are the enemy. they could give 2 fucks about the socialists.

[donco6]

11. The Spaniards I know HATED Asnar well

before the bombings.

[jpgray]

12. Yeah, they were flying that night. :-) (nt)

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

13. To all who say this is bull...

I'm curious as to what your rationale is for why this was done three days before the election, if not to affect the outcome of the election?

[Pathwalker]

19. Oh, I don't know...maybe because it was also 911 days

AFTER 9/11/01??????

[rinsd]

46. Wrong about 911 days

It was actually 912. Don't forget the leap year.

[w4rma]

27. It's my understanding that the socialists were leading in the polls before

the attacks. If anything the attacks were to sway the polls back to the so-called "strong on terror" right-wing party, imho.

I'm looking for an AP article right now that was posted here which states Bush administration officials speculating after the attacks that Anzar's political party would win because of the attacks. I'll update this post when I track it down.

[rinsd]

45. Not correct...

I believe Aznar's party had a slight lead before the bombings.

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/4535595/

"Spanish anger at Aznar's government—which polled ahead of the Socialists before last week's attack—seems to have been inflamed by divisions over who is behind the blasts. "

Though in Madrid the Socialist Party was indeed popular.

[54anickel]

50. Wonder what that slight lead was. Anyone have the poll numbers?

[markses]

39. It was obviously meant to effect the election. HOWEVER

that doesn't mean that it was meant to propel the Socialists into power. In fact, such a conclusion bucks all precedent. All Westernized countries have turned hard right in the immediate aftermath of a large-scale terrorist attack. Why would anyone think that the population would turn LEFT??? It makes no sense.

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

42. possible, maybe even probable

>It was obviously meant to effect the election

Right. I don't necessarily think this was the intended outcome, but it just seems too perfect, 3 days before the election, for it to have been for any other reason. I have no argument with anyone who thinks it was designed to help the conservatives. That was my first intuition. However, I don't know that much about Spanish politics, and the situation today is really unprecedented in modern history. And lord knows that the Iraq war didn't help Blair any.

My argument is with the people who seem to be denying that terrorists blew up some trains, because of their disagreement with some stupid bloody fake document on CNN.

[ithacan]

47. rumors are that

the conservatives were behind the bombing, or knew it was going to happend, and let it happen, thinking it would give them a boost, but it backfired. A kind of LIHOP scenario.

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

52. idiotic

ithacan, that's the stupidest thing I've ever heard. There's no evidence of this whatsoever, and furthermore it doesn't make any sense.

[dai]

14. The last straw!

That's it! Officially I'm convinced Al Qaeda doesn't exist.

Every right-wing talking point gets "confirmed", suspiciously near-verbatim, by Al Qaeda "documents"...which nobody ever sees, mind you.

Attacks on Iraq's Shia? *poof* Al Qaeda document found calling for attacks on Shia. Socialists win in Spain? *poof* AQ documents planning for a socialist victory. Come October, we'll hear about an Al Qaeda "document" praying for a democrat victory or some such.

[arcane1]

17. al Qaeda is the BEST THING THAT EVER HAPPENED to Bush!

he is the ONLY ONE who gained anything from 9/11, and now with the LIHOP in Spain....

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

40. some explosive docs!

>That's it! Officially I'm convinced Al Qaeda doesn't exist.

>Every right-wing talking point gets "confirmed",
>suspiciously near-verbatim, by Al Qaeda "documents"...
>which nobody ever sees, mind you.

Yes, but documents didn't blow up the trains, so then the question becomes...who?

[w4rma]

15. An anonymous message on an internet message board. Good grief. (n/t)

[DoYouEverWonder]

33. Looks like Jeremy Reynalds is spewing

his terrorist fantasies again. Funny, he's been quiet for a while and then as soon as something happens his buddy self-proclaimed al Qaeda operative Daleel Almojahid shows up again. How, convienent.

Al Qaida "Operative" Says Ignoring Terrorist Demands Produced Spain's Train Massacre by Jeremy Reynalds

03-13-04

[Name removed]

16. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[Old and In the Way]

18. Those crazy Al-Qaeda....alway's sharing their operational strategy

with CNN.

Or is this like Karl Rov telling us that he feared Dean the most in the GE campaign?

[Devils Advocate NZ]

21. This is a BAD MOVE by the spin meisters...

Considering the Spanish people believe they were attacked because of their participation in the Iraq war, and considering this led to a Socialist victory, and that a Socialist victory is what Al Qaeda wanted, does that mean that the attack on Iraq actually resulted in the first major defeat for the "coalition of the willing"?

Is Iraq causing the coalition to lose the war on terrorism?

[Just Me]

28. Yeah, the spinning is obvious and insulting.

Hopefully, something more accurate will be revealed. The citizens of Spain were courageous enough to refuse to be ruled by fear-wielding, war-mongers; including right-wing radicals (communists), neoconspiracists (*smile*) and the al Qaeda and Wahabbis and other extremist holy rollers. The "Socialist" spin is ridiculous.

[FlemingsGhost]

22. They're desperate now... enjoy the show, folks.

Methinks the glorious New American Century is gonna fall 96 years short Osama or WMD won't be enough to restore the luster.

"Get the gun, Ma. The darned horse has gone lame"

Say goodnight, dubya...

[mouse7]

23. CNN doc written in crayon on "Rangers Baseball" letterhead

Uhhhhh.... sure.

Remember the supposed passport of the 9/11 hijacker that survived the inferno of the crash and and the WTC tower collapses to land on the ground in pristine condition on a NYC street?

[tandot]

24. yea sure

CNN probably got it from a McLellan press release

[74dodgedart]

25. The real issue is...

If *'s war on terrorism has been so effective, how come Al-Qaeda was able to pull of such an effective large-scale operation ?

Everything else is just spin...

[jmcgowanjm]

26. Bologna Train bombing1980/AZF-CIA founded AlQaeda

Operation Gladio

http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/CIA%20Hits/Gladio_CIAHits.html

CIA meets w/ OBL DubaiAmerican hospital-July01-
LeFigaro

This terrorist attack in Madrid, carried out by the terrorist
arm of the CIA, is a good trial balloon for future
operations. Pending its political, social and international
results, attacks like this could possibly extend to other
European cities, particularly London and Paris, and they
may even take place in the USA... again.

http://www.jackblood.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderfiles/madridstrategicinterest.htm

Name one terror attack/assassination that didn't
result in a lurch to the Right-Madrid2004

[jmcgowanjm]

32. Washington gave a thinly-veiled warning to Spain

and other European countries yesterday that to waver in the fight against global terrorism would lead to catastrophe.

With anxiety growing that Spain's victorious Socialists might deal a wounding blow to America's coalition...

Watch how fast Cheney, Rummy, Rove move
when they want to.

And remember that we still don't know who or what
did 911.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2004/03/15/wspan15.xml&sSheet=/news/2004/03/15/ixnewstop.html

And this was the reason the Frankfurt DAX
collapsed.

[renegade000]

29. NO! democracy must be unduly influenced in OUR favor!

eom

[Moderator]

30. Hollywoord Liberal - Fix Your Thread Title

See LBN rules regarding thread titles.

[HollywoodLiberal]

31. Can you help me

nm, I think I fixed it.

[fedsron2us]

34. Yet another 'Al Qaeda' document

Presumably it was easily recognizable because it bore the organizations logo and was personally signed by Osama Lin Laden himself. Given that Islamic terrorist groups are kind enough to detail their intentions and tactics for all to read on the internet one must wonder why American and European intelligence agencies were not able to prevent last weeks outrage.

I am afraid that old Bob Dylan lyric keeps playing in my head these days -

" You don't have to be a weatherman to see which way the wind blows "

[Capt_Nemo]

35. Yeah, just like the Niger forgeries and the Galloway papers

CNN is working hard with the neo-cons in getting the US as the most
hated nation in Spain. I say: keep it up!

[rocktivity]

36. You can't tell the links without a scorecard

One of the five men arrested in connection with the deadly Madrid train bombings has links to the plotters of an al Qaeda-linked bombing in Casablanca last year, CNN has learned.
Let me guess: the suspect's dentist's neighbor's therapist's lover's sister's teacher's father's excorcist's brother-in-law's dog groomer once held a door open for the plotter's dog groomer's brother-in-law's exorcist's father's teacher's sister's lover's therapist's neighbor's dentist.

The strategy spelled out in the document, posted last December on the Internet, calls for using terrorist attacks to drive Prime Minister Jose Maria Aznar's Partido Popular from power and replace it with the Socialists.
Are they this desparate to take the focus off the power of the people? Or is Al Qaeda so stupid they didn't realize that all they had to do was let nature take its course?

:headbang:
rocknation

[arcane1]

37. no kidding, we don't hear much about all those people in the streets

right before the election

I guess they are all terra-ists too....

[The Stranger]

38. Al Queda is backing the Socialist Party in Spain?

. . . then it got weird.

[Robb]

48. LOL!

(spit-take) :D :thumbsup:

[NV1962]

41. CORRECTION: CNN obtained it from a *message board* posted in December!!!

CNN also has obtained a document posted on an Internet message board analysts believe is used by al Qaeda and its sympathizers that spells out the terrorist group's plan to separate Spain from the U.S.-led coalition on Iraq.

(my bold)

They edited the text of that article, apparently.

Good grief... Didn't think CNN could sink that deep into its own misery. Pathetic.

[nolabels]

43. Got to make news some way, for heavens sake they couldn't do real news

:shrug:

[HollywoodLiberal]

44. Hah, stealth edit by CNN

I think they may have spotted some of the uproar at the absurdity of it all.

[deportivoI]

53. This is WH

Nonsense. Not a clue about Spanish Politics. Aznar Lied, Aznar tried to manipulate the Elections. This is what made Spaniards angry. Nothing to do with US or Iraq. Socialists have never been soft of terrorism when they were in power for almost 10 years.