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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-16-10 03:29 PM
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4 Dem Senators Pressure Reid to Use Reconciliation for Public Option
Edited on Tue Feb-16-10 04:08 PM by kpete
Source: CBS

4 Dem Senators Pressure Reid to Use Reconciliation for Public Option


Posted by Stephanie Condon
(AP)
Four Democratic senators, including two facing potentially challenging election campaigns this year, are asking Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid to use reconciliation, a procedural maneuver requiring only 51 votes, to push for a public health insurance option.

Sens. Michael Bennet (Colo.), Kirsten Gillibrand (N.Y.), Sherrod Brown (Ohio) and Jeff Merkley (Ore.) signed a letter to Reid saying they support this plan for four reasons: the cost savings the public option is estimated to achieve, continued public support for the public option, the need for increased competition in the insurance market and the Senate's history of using the reconciliation process for health care reform.

"Put simply, including a strong public option is one of the best, most fiscally responsible ways to reform our health insurance system," the letter says. "Although we strongly support the important reforms made by the Senate-passed health reform package, including a strong public option would improve both its substance and the public’s perception of it."

The letter points to the last CBS News/ New York Times poll that surveyed Americans on the public option, from Dec. 2009, which showed that 59 percent of Americans supported the public option.







Read more: http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2010/02/16/politics/politicalhotsheet/entry6213567.shtml



Senators Call on Reid to Use Reconciliation For Public Option

Today, Democratic senators Mike Bennet, Kirsten Gillibrand, Sherrod Brown, and Jeff Merkley wrote an open letter to Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, urging him to give the public health care option a winning chance by employing reconciliation.

The letter follows—
http://whipcongress.com/letter-senate?source=med
Dear Leader Reid:

We respectfully ask that you bring for a vote before the full Senate a public health insurance option under budget reconciliation rules.

There are four fundamental reasons why we support this approach – its potential for billions of dollars in cost savings; the growing need to increase competition and lower costs for the consumer; the history of using reconciliation for significant pieces of health care legislation; and the continued public support for a public option.

A Public Option Is an Important Tool for Restoring Fiscal Discipline.

As Democrats, we pledged that the Senate health care reform package would address skyrocketing health care costs and relieve overburdened American families and small businesses from annual double-digit health care cost increases. And that it would do so without adding a dime to the national debt.


......................

Respectfully,

Michael Bennet (D-CO), U.S. Senator
Kirsten Gillibrand (D-NY), U.S. Senator
Jeff Merkley (D-OR), U.S. Senator
Sherrod Brown (D-OH), U.S. Senator
http://blogs.alternet.org/speakeasy/2010/02/16/senators-call-on-reid-to-use-reconciliation-for-public-option/

ANOTHER GOOD LINK TO THIS:
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/02/dem-senators-call-on-reid-to-use-reconciliation-to-pass-hcr-with-a-public-option.php?ref=fpb
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xultar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-16-10 03:33 PM
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1. It mostly depends on the WH @ this point. If they can stomach it then it will happen...
if they cannot then it won't happen.

You can bet your sweet ass on that one.
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-16-10 06:51 PM
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44. It completely depends on the White House and thanks for your brutal honesty, xultar.
Why should Pelosi and or Reid walk the plank again only to have it pulled out from under their feet?

If Obama really meant what he said -- he'd rather be a good one term President than a two term one that accomplished little -- then this is truly his opportunity to forever change the landscape of health care for the American People who languish 50 years behind the rest of the industrialized nations.

Obama could change everything by signaling to Congress to let the torpedoes fire and go for it.

I won't need to post in the thread below because I agree with what you wrote and you've summed up the entire discussion. There's really nothing else to be said on this.

It's up to President Obama.
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-16-10 10:01 PM
Response to Reply #44
62. Then what is stopping them passing the public option - sink or swim
the future is in the balance!
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indy legend Donating Member (484 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-16-10 10:52 PM
Response to Reply #44
71. You are right. It is up to president Obama.
And if he doesn't get behind the Public Option his words will prove to be prophetic. He will be a one term president, but not a good one. I hope he can live with that because this country will not survive eight more years of Republican control.
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-17-10 01:37 AM
Response to Reply #44
80. Self Deleting cuz post didn't go where it was supposed to
Edited on Wed Feb-17-10 01:39 AM by truedelphi
It was meant as the answer to DAvid Zephyr.
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-17-10 01:38 AM
Response to Reply #1
81. + 1,000 for your reply. n/t
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LastLiberal in PalmSprings Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-16-10 03:35 PM
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2. Reid's response
Edited on Tue Feb-16-10 03:37 PM by LastLiberal in PalmS
image

'La-la-la-la-la-la-la-la!'
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bc3000 Donating Member (766 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-16-10 03:59 PM
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3. My message to Bill Nelson, Florida senator that did not sign
Edited on Tue Feb-16-10 04:01 PM by bc3000
I'd like to know why Senator Nelson was not one of the Democrats who signed the letter to Harry Reid calling for a public option.

We need health care and unless the bill contains cost controls that a public option would provide, it will be completely worthless. It will amount to nothing more than a handout to the insurance industry.

Perhaps Senator Nelson is one of those senators that happily does nothing when his party is in the minority and then doesn't have the guts to stand up when he actually has a chance to make a difference.

Democrats are getting tired of politicians like Bill Nelson who will not stand up for the principles their party represents. If Mr.Nelson is just going to be a patsy for the republican party, I'd like to ask him to switch party affiliations and make it official.


I sent that in via his web form. I also called his office and expressed my displeasure with one of his staff members.

It probably won't do an ounce of good. Conservadems are as crooked as a dog's hind leg. What power do my opinions have against the millions of dollars in special interest money? But at least it made me feel a little better.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-16-10 04:02 PM
Response to Reply #3
4. The Senate is on break - there are likely many other Senators who agree
that did not sign the letter. It is not like a roll call vote. The fact is that Harken, Dodd, Rockefeller etc that were the lead people on that did not sign.
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bc3000 Donating Member (766 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-16-10 04:13 PM
Response to Reply #3
5. I'm sure Nelson isn't one of them
Considering his past words on the subject:

Nelson said most of the public option advocates "don't have a clue" about what it would take to create such a plan.


http://blogs.miaminewtimes.com/riptide/2009/09/bill_nelson_public_option_supp.php

Of course, if Senator Nelson comes around and does the right thing, I'd be happy to take back my words and apologize.
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mascarax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-16-10 06:49 PM
Response to Reply #3
42. bc3000, what did Nelson's staff member say?
For Amy Klobuchar, it's the vague, "Amy's for affordable healthcare and will review anything on the table."

I'm always curious about their comments.
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bc3000 Donating Member (766 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-16-10 10:31 PM
Response to Reply #42
67. I don't know
He said he didn't know why the Senator didn't sign the letter because the Senator hadn't mentioned it and that he would pass my my words on to the Senator.

Actually "...for affordable healthcare and will review anything on the table" sounds like more than I ever get when I call a senator or rep.
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pattmarty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-17-10 09:24 AM
Response to Reply #3
92. Ain't gonna happen. You think that we will get a "good" public option/Medicare...........
............plan out of these ass holes after they fucked around for a year? C'mon, get fucking real.
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Doremus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-17-10 01:25 PM
Response to Reply #3
97. Good on ya, bc. It's all any of us can do. nt
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emsimon33 Donating Member (904 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-16-10 04:37 PM
Response to Original message
6. Obama just needs to sign and executive order that anyone can
sign into Medicare and pay the going cost per person. As more people buy in and more healthy people buy in, then the cost would go down.
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vegiegals Donating Member (179 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-16-10 04:53 PM
Response to Reply #6
7. its too simple so the WH would not consider it.
x(
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-16-10 05:38 PM
Response to Reply #6
18. The Constitution of the United States?
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-17-10 12:41 AM
Response to Reply #18
77. only seems to be an obstacle to helping average Americans, not the very, very wealthy
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emsimon33 Donating Member (904 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-17-10 12:57 AM
Response to Reply #18
79. It's a time of war! I thought that we ditched the Constitution over 8 years ago!
Why bring that silly old thing up now?
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TheWraith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-16-10 05:53 PM
Response to Reply #6
22. And that would be illegal.
The President cannot legislate.
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rury Donating Member (629 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-16-10 10:20 PM
Response to Reply #6
66. President Obama CANNOT sign a Medicare for all
executive order because it is ILLEGAL for the president to legislate.
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Nuclear Unicorn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-16-10 04:59 PM
Response to Original message
8. Those 4 dems prove their wisdom by...
agreeing with me.
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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-16-10 05:03 PM
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9. Bennet is clearly a good man, and Gillibrand is proving to be a good woman, who doesn't love Brown &
Merkley? These four are great senators, and the public option is the only way that the HCB is acceptable at the least. So, I commend them for pushing for this so directly.

Harry - you got NOTHING to lose, you're probably going down to a certain defeat 55-45 in Nevada, so do something BIG for your country that has helped you make a great living!


:kick: :kick: :kick: :kick:
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Hawkeye-X Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-16-10 05:17 PM
Response to Reply #9
13. Sorry but I don't trust Bennet. I trust Romanoff, and he'll kick Bennet's ass easily.
Since he was not the choice of the Colorado democratic party, but rather Ritter's alone. Ritter is already a lame duck, and so is Bennet. The US Senate position will be Romanoff's to lose. Romanoff would have crushed Reid's balls and tell him to put the public option through legislation, not reconcilation.

Hawkeye-X
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Supply Side Jesus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-16-10 07:40 PM
Response to Reply #13
51. Give Bennet his due
Sure Douche bag Ritter appointed him, but Bennet has showed he is a progressive. I like Romanoff, I respect him alot. But I don't trust his labor stances. Sure Labor is backing him, but Romanoff had always had to be dragged screaming and kicking to labors' position. Romanoff always got there, but the seclusion in DC I think will put Romanoff at risk of turning into another DINO.
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paulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-16-10 11:56 PM
Response to Reply #51
73. you don't trust his labor stances,
but apparently labor does, since he's the one winning all the union endorsements.

hmmm...

who should I listen to?
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Supply Side Jesus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-17-10 11:19 PM
Response to Reply #73
99. ya, like a democrat has never turned their back on labor
I guess there is one born every minute.
Don't worry, I'm sure they'll endorse him again, even after he sells them out.
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paulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 12:51 AM
Response to Reply #99
100. Ritter sure turned his back on labor
you know, the guy who appointed Bennet?


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Supply Side Jesus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 06:41 PM
Response to Reply #100
102. guilt by association
stay classy
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paulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 09:24 PM
Response to Reply #102
103. do you work for Bennet?
seriously
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kristopher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-16-10 05:35 PM
Response to Reply #9
17. Now I see why the DLC is trying to run Ford against Gillibrand...
:puke:
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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-16-10 06:23 PM
Response to Reply #17
32. I hope it doesn't work. Gillibrand has supported & signed on legislation to repeal DADT/DOMA.
I adore her.
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-16-10 06:37 PM
Response to Reply #32
36. She was for DADT before she was against it. Senator Gillibrand, who must win NYC to be elected, is
very different from Rep. Gillibrand from a conservative district in NY State. She opposed repeal of DADT. Now that she has to win NYC, she is sponsoring legislation to repeal DADT. Do I think she truly had a chage of heart that dramatic? Nope.

Still, at least she is going in the right direction, namely left. Harold Ford has been doing the same, so they are both politicians who do whatever they think they have to do to be elected.

I don't blame them, but I am not going to award either of them a Profile in Courage Award, either.
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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-16-10 06:54 PM
Response to Reply #36
47. Well she's actively supporting it now.
If she was against whatever...I don't care---her personal feelings may have been different. And she realizes her role to maintain her vote count and realizes New Yorkers (overall) support the repeal of DADT and even some DOMA. So now she's pushing against it. As long as she's doing that...I'm willing to ignore her past comments on that so we can get this done.

However, I must say when I do that I feel like I'm pushing a double standard. Because when McCain flip-flops---I'm not too keen to hear anything else he says since it goes against my personal beliefs. Whatever, she's pushing it now...and from what I gather much of what she supports NOW is what I'm liking.
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DireStrike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-16-10 09:24 PM
Response to Reply #47
56. Exactly, that's what I expect from a politician
It's more honest to readjust your bearings depending on your constituency than to just completely ignore popular opinion and govern for the richest and most powerful people around.
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mascarax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-16-10 06:51 PM
Response to Reply #9
45. Exactly - Harry's gonna lose unless there's a miracle
So why doesn't he go down fighting for SOMETHING WORTHWHILE for all Americans (even those against it -- like Medicare, they won't want government interference afterwards!), at least? <sigh>

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Demoiselle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-16-10 10:08 PM
Response to Reply #45
63. My sentiments exactly, Mascarax. Reid can leave a decent legacy if he's willing to fight.
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pinto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-16-10 05:04 PM
Response to Original message
10. Kick
:kick:
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derby378 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-16-10 05:05 PM
Response to Original message
11. Why isn't Russ Feingold one of the signatories?
I figured he'd be all over this like a bad suit.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-16-10 05:50 PM
Response to Reply #11
21. They just started it and they are on break - here is a link to a whip count
link that was on a MA site - http://whipcongress.com/?source=huff

Kerry and Leahy signed.
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-16-10 06:26 PM
Response to Reply #21
33. Cool, so it's building momentum! nt
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-16-10 05:09 PM
Response to Original message
12. Here are phone numbers for Senator Sherrod Brown
Call Senator. Brown and thank him for showing leadership in the public option fight

DC: (202) 224-2315
Cleveland: (216) 522-7272
Columbus: (614) 469-2083
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newtothegame Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-16-10 05:25 PM
Response to Original message
14. I just don't understand how any hospital would survive, grow, and enhance services...
Edited on Tue Feb-16-10 05:42 PM by newtothegame
if more went to Medicare. Currently, my hospital gets paid about $.52 of every dollar we charge Medicare. And even less for Medicaid. And most of our customers are one of those two payor sources. If we weren't able to negotiate higher rates from private insurance, we would have closed years ago. How would we stay open if our services for ALL patients were reimbursed on those government rates?

I like the public option idea, but there's no way we could sustain a health system reimbursed that way.

ed for sp
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-16-10 05:29 PM
Response to Reply #14
15. How do the Europeans
do it? Maybe if we take the profit out of health care it can be done?
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newtothegame Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-16-10 05:41 PM
Response to Reply #15
19. We ARE a non-profit hospital, meaning any additional revenue over expenses..
plus charitable contributions (which, truthfully, come almost entirely from rich conservative individuals in our community) go directly back into operations and growth. And yes, we need growth; our population is aging, and we're getting fatter and sicker, not healthier.

The revenue over expenses (which we don't have ever year btw) comes from the private companies that we're able to negotiate higher rates with, certainly not from the "$.50 on the dollar" reimbursement from the government. We can barely keep up with the most basic equipment upgrades as it is; there's no WAY we could on all government reimbursement.

So again I ask, if this is the current state, what would happen if ALL of our patients were reimbursed on such a poor reimbursement system such as the government has now?

As I said in the earlier post, you're talking to a single-payer proponent here, but the "everyone on Medicare" math just doesn't work.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-17-10 06:47 AM
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84. Deleted message
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newtothegame Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-17-10 09:12 AM
Response to Reply #84
90. How exactly would having healthy people in Medicare change the reimbursement?
Healthy people lower group premiums, they have nothing to do with reimbursement.

PS, you seem like a very unhappy, bitter person. Go hug a puppy. Watch a sunset. Something.
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-17-10 09:31 AM
Response to Reply #90
93. Any reasonable person
should be bitter to watch their fellow citizens die because of greed. I said reasonable.

Reimbursement could always change if Medicare is put on a more solid foundation.
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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-16-10 06:22 PM
Response to Reply #15
31. Screw Europeans...how does Hawaii do it, we need to ask. n/t
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nimvg Donating Member (77 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-16-10 06:45 PM
Response to Reply #15
40. It'll Be A Little Difficult...
...to take profit out of health care without shooting the insurance companies in the head, and the Constitution sort of prevents that.
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DireStrike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-16-10 09:25 PM
Response to Reply #40
57. Where does it prevent that exactly? -nt-
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JCMach1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-16-10 10:16 PM
Response to Reply #15
65. Price controls... people need to get over the idea health care EVER WAS a free market...
It's not...
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harun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-16-10 05:34 PM
Response to Reply #14
16. If they enact the PO I would be surprised if even 5% of your partients
were eligible for it. So wouldn't be any difference. The increase in business would offset any extra costs. Besides removing the billions of dollars in profit private insurance companies are making would lower costs and allow us to pay more to the hospitals.
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Hoyt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-16-10 05:58 PM
Response to Reply #14
24. Most hospitals charge two, three or more times what they expect and need to get.

52% is probably enough to pay direct and indirect costs and provide funds for growth. Unless you are insider working for admin, they are probably cooking the books or misinterpreting their financial position. The mere fact that your hospital makes money most years -- with a high Medicare and Medicaid population -- is likely proof of that.

Never met a hospital administrator who said they get enough, even while the Brinks truck is out front picking up the daily receipts and the Administrator is redoing his/her office . . . . . again.

Now, "uncompensated care" is another matter that universal care would help solve.
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-16-10 06:22 PM
Response to Reply #14
29. Cut costs and negotiate with Medicare. Single payer health care systems outdo ours.
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Kingofalldems Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-16-10 05:50 PM
Response to Original message
20. Kick and rec
Edited on Tue Feb-16-10 05:50 PM by Kingofalldems
Yeah!
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Jefferson23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-16-10 05:53 PM
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23. Good on them for trying, but where is Obama?
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-16-10 05:59 PM
Response to Reply #23
25. 1
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TheWraith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-16-10 06:09 PM
Response to Reply #23
26. In the White House. He's not a Senator anymore. nt
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Jefferson23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-16-10 06:20 PM
Response to Reply #26
27. No kidding, and here I thought he actually had some power, duh to me.
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-16-10 06:39 PM
Response to Reply #26
37. House Progressives and the Senate both begged him to lead on this issue.
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TheWraith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-16-10 06:43 PM
Response to Reply #37
38. And when asked what they think he should do, they have no answer.
Just like the people here on DU who keep insisting he should "just pass it" when they demonstrate zero knowledge of how the legislative process works. Like the person upthread who thought Obama could pass a bill by executive order. Keith Olbermann had a columnist on the other night who basically said that whenever one of the angry congressional members was pressed on what SPECIFIC measures they thought Obama should have taken, they suddenly got mute.

Because it isn't the president's sole responsibility to legislate. That requires the Congress, which is where the weak knees have been.
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Jefferson23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-16-10 08:01 PM
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53. I didn't see that show, did the columnist name any of these members?
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brentspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-16-10 10:55 PM
Response to Reply #38
72. Obama doesn't know how to open his own mouth and speak up in support ot the PO?
Who knew?
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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-16-10 06:22 PM
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30. Because the article doesn't state it...how do you know the WH doesn't support the measure.
This is Congress' job. The President has always supported the Public Option, however he's also in support of any measures that ensure we have health reform. If we can get the PO and health care reform. The President will go for it. He's said it continuously in the past.
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-16-10 06:32 PM
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35. The President supports anything that may land on his desk to be signed.
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Jefferson23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-16-10 07:27 PM
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48. I go by what he says and does. and what he does not do or say.
You may presume he does support it, I have seen no evidence he has fought for it at all. Also, he did not take a stand to support Leahy:
Leahy Introduces Bill To Repeal Antitrust Exemption.


http://leahy.senate.gov/press/200909/091709a.html




The Senate bill is garbage, we'll see what develops when he speaks with Republicans at Blair House.





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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-16-10 06:20 PM
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28. I love Gillibrand, love her, love her, love her. I love my Senator.
She's teh awesomeness.
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TheWraith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-16-10 06:51 PM
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46. I agree with you completely. Couldn't be happier with her. nt
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-16-10 06:29 PM
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34. If the Democrats use reconciliation, and DON'T include a Public Option...
It will be an open admission that the Democratic Party no longer represents the Middle/Working Class of America.
It IS that simple.
Lieberman is no longer an excuse.
"Obstructionist Republicans" are no longer an excuse.
This WILL be a completely DEMOCRATIC Bill.
It WILL contain what The Democrats WANT it to contain.


In 2008, The American People gave the Democrats:
The White House
The Senate
The House
AND a STRONG Mandate for CHANGE.


* Would you favor or oppose the national government offering everyone the choice of a government administered health insurance plan — something like the Medicare coverage that people 65 and older get — that would compete with private health insurance plans?

Favor 82%

Oppose 14%

Not Sure 4%
http://www.ourfuture.org/blog-entry/2010010320/poll-shouts-message-massachusetts-voters-were-sending


The responsibility for the betrayal of the Middle/Working Class WILL lie squarely on the shoulders of the Democratic Party Leadership.


"By their works you will know them."
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nimvg Donating Member (77 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-16-10 06:48 PM
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41. If The Dems Did This...
Edited on Tue Feb-16-10 06:48 PM by nimvg
...Republicans would take the House for sure next time and begin hearings on Obama's citizenship. Tit for tat.

It would tear the country apart and it won't happen.
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-16-10 07:27 PM
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49. If the Dems DON'T do this,
there WILL be a Blood Bath in 2010 and 2012.
The current Senate Bill is a Republican Bill (Mandates + NO Public Option), but the Republican Party has not been forced to take ANY political risks.
ALL projections show a steady INCREASE in Premiums over the next few years.

ALL the Republicans have to do NOW is simply sit back and say, "Yep. We opposed it.
The Democrats have raised your Insurance Premiums."


* Would you favor or oppose the national government offering everyone the choice of a government administered health insurance plan — something like the Medicare coverage that people 65 and older get — that would compete with private health insurance plans?

Favor 82%

Oppose 14%

Not Sure 4%
http://www.ourfuture.org/blog-entry/2010010320/poll-shouts-message-massachusetts-voters-were-sending


Good Luck selling Individual Mandates + No Public Option to the American People.
In 2010/2012, they won't be listening to the pathetic whining of "Its ALL Joe Lieberman's fault" :cry:

"When given the choice between a Republican, and a Democrat who acts like a Republican, the voters will choose the Republican every time." ---Harry Truman

QED Massachusetts



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NJCher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-17-10 12:29 AM
Response to Reply #49
75. yes, and...
Here's what I think will happen:

a) they will not go for a public option

b) the public will have had it with them

c) republicans will not be the option for the voters

d) a viable third party will form and will be voted in

Signed, Madame Soothsayer,


Cher


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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-16-10 06:50 PM
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43. The Senate has not tried reconciliation sooner for strong reasons. .
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nimvg Donating Member (77 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-16-10 07:37 PM
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50. I Agree!
They're shifting their attention to deficit reduction. Health care is dead in this Congress.

As far as 2010 and 2012, that's a done deal. Look at all the retirements. I never thought I'd see the day when Evan Bayh would run from a fight, but that's precisely what's happening.

We elected the wrong guy.
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DireStrike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-16-10 09:28 PM
Response to Reply #50
58. Hah! Evan Bayh, paragon of bravery!
What a statement.
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-16-10 06:45 PM
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39. Here's the rub. Can the public option get the vote of even 50 Senators?
I didn't think while Kirk held Kennedy's seat.
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grahamhgreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-16-10 10:15 PM
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64. We will not know if they do not try - we will vote out everyone who votes against it.
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eagertolearn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-16-10 07:45 PM
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52. Thats my senator who we helped to vote in Jeff Merkley...
already doing a great job (of course he's married to a nurse and us nurses know how much we need health care reform!)
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Guilded Lilly Donating Member (960 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-16-10 08:45 PM
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54. Alrighttttt, Sherrod Brown!!!
Our Buckeye Man of the decade (grin)

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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-16-10 08:58 PM
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55. I worked hard to help elect Jeff Merkley
and this is exactly why I did so.
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Randall Flagg Donating Member (411 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-16-10 09:28 PM
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59. Thank you, Senators.
May others follow your example.

K&R
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marshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-16-10 09:56 PM
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60. I really think Obama wants to go all or nothing
He's not there to play politics, as he says, but to get the job done that he wants to do.

And on the other hand, I think the Senators are throwing out a life line to those who want plausible deniability come election time.
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maryf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-16-10 09:58 PM
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61. Sorry, I still say the only public option I'll accept, is one where there is no
private insurance option. Kip Sullivan succinctly explained this last night on a national conference call:


Browse > Home / Healthcare-NOW! Updates / Notes from “Medicare for All: Still the One” – Healthcare-NOW!
Notes from “Medicare for All: Still the One”



If you missed last night’s national conference call, “Medicare for All: Still the One,” you can listen to it here. Also, please find a transcript of Kip Sullivan’s remarks below.

We had about 250 people on this call, and we’d like to thank all of you for participating, and donating. This call’s success means that we can keep organizing national conference calls in the future. Thank you for your support!

If you missed the call, listen to it here:

Or download an MP3 file of the call here.

Kip Sullivan’s remarks from the call.

INTRODUCTION
It’s easy enough to explain why the “public option” was defeated. It’s a lot harder to explain why it rose to prominence in the first place. Even in the watered down form in which it was adopted by Democrats, the PO was probably no more politically feasible than single-payer was, but it was a lot harder to explain. And the watered down form wouldn’t work, and it probably wouldn’t even have survived.

The PO was so tiny when Democrats introduced it in June 2009 that it is fair to say it was moribund upon arrival if not dead on arrival. It was placed on life support when Sen. Reid struck it from the Senate bill in November, and it was finally put out of its misery by the election of Scott Brown in MA in January of this year.

The PO wasn’t politically feasible in 2009 for the obvious reason that it was opposed by the same people who would have opposed a single-payer system. Perhaps as importantly, the PO wasn’t politically feasible because the people who promoted it weren’t serious enough about it to make it a condition of their support for the Democrats’ bill.

So it’s pretty easy to explain why the PO fell. What’s not so easy to explain is why a lot of smart people thought the PO was such a good idea to begin with and why, if they thought it was such a good idea, they didn’t make it their bottom line. When the campaign for the PO began in 2005, it wasn’t at all clear that the leaders of the campaign intended to throw the PO overboard if that’s what it took to get Congress to pass an insurance industry bailout (by which I mean the individual mandate and the subsidies to make the mandate affordable). But by June 2009, it was clear the leaders of the PO campaign had NO intention of making a big, powerful PO a condition that Democrats had to meet. And by Xmas Eve 2009, it was clear the PO campaign had no intention of even making a TINY, ineffective PO a precondition for its support.

It appears, in short, that the leaders of the PO campaign saw an insurance industry bailout as more important than the PO. Many leaders of the PO campaign may even have seen the PO as merely a fig leaf to induce progressives (both inside and outside of Congress) to think it was ok to support a bailout.

The modern version of the PO was brought to us by Jacob Hacker. And it was promoted by Health Care for America Now and the Herndon Alliance. The Herndon Alliance has received much less publicity than HCAN, but it played a seminal role in the development of the PO campaign. So, to understand why the proponents of the PO supported it, but not enough to make it a non-negotiable demand, it helps to review the thinking of Hacker and of the founders of HCAN and the Herndon Alliance.

I doubt I’ll have enough time to describe both Hacker’s thinking and that of the Herndon Alliance and HCAN leaders. I think what I’ll do is describe Hacker’s original version of the PO, his rationale for it, what happened to the PO after it arrived in Congress in 2009, and how Hacker accommodated himself to the degradation of the PO. And then, if I have any time left over, I’ll talk briefly about the Herndon Alliance and HCAN. If I don’t have time to talk about HCAN and the Herndon Alliance, that’s ok. Their thinking pretty much mirrored Hacker’s. Like Hacker, they saw single-payer as politically infeasible; they started out supporting a big PO as a more politically feasible substitute for single-payer; and they didn’t object when congressional Democrats unveiled a microscopic form of the PO in June.

THE ORIGINAL HACKER PROPOSAL
Hacker first proposed what he called Medicare-Plus in a paper he wrote in 2001. He published another version of his idea in 2007. In that second paper, he called his idea Health Care for America. The label “public option” didn’t appear till early 2009.

Hacker’s idea, basically, was to have the federal government create a health insurance company that would sell health insurance to the nonelderly. Hacker assumed this company would enjoy all the efficiencies of Medicare and would therefore be able to undersell the insurance industry. Hacker never used the word “company” or “business” to describe the federal program he had in mind. Instead, he repeatedly described his proposed public entity as a program that would be “like Medicare.” Hacker’s refusal to use appropriate terminology contributed greatly to the confusion that became rampant among PO advocates by 2009.

There is, of course, a huge difference between what Hacker was proposing and Medicare. Medicare is a single-payer program – it’s the only insurer of basic medical services for Americans over 65 and the disabled. Because it is a single-payer insuring such a large population, and moreover a population with above-average medical needs, Medicare enjoys advantages that the insurance industry will never enjoy, including huge size, low overhead, and an ability to induce docs and hospitals to accept below-industry reimbursement rates.

The public company Hacker was proposing would have to compete with 1,500 other insurance companies within the multiple-payer jungle. The public company he was proposing would NOT be a single-payer – it would be just one insurance company among hundreds. It’s therefore far more accurate to refer to what Hacker was proposing as a company, a corporation, or a business that would be set up by the government. It was ALWAYs misleading for Hacker to refer to his proposed entity as a government program like Medicare, and it was EXTREMELY misleading for him and his acolytes to continue doing so after the Democrats adopted a microscopic version of the PO.

However, the early version of the PO that Hacker proposed DID have the potential to become a Medicare-for-all program for nonelderly Americans. In his 2001 and 2007 papers, Hacker said he wanted to give his public insurance company several very important advantages that would have allowed the company to start out with enormous size and to grow even larger early in its life. Hacker proposed five advantages or criteria for his original PO:

(1) It had to be prepopulated (he would have shifted Medicaid and SCHIP enrollees and all or some of the uninsured into the PO);
(2) Subsidies would go only to the PO;
(3) It would be open to all non-elderly Americans;
(4) It would have the authority to use Medicare rates (this was not as important as the first three criteria); and
(5) The insurance industry had to offer the same coverage.

According to an analysis of Hacker’s 2007 paper by the Lewin Group, Hacker’s original PO would have enjoyed premiums 23% below those of the insurance industry and would have enrolled 129 million people, or about half the non-elderly population. According to the Lewin Group, Hacker’s original version of the public company would grow rapidly, from insuring half the non-elderly in 2008 to two-thirds of the non-elderly within a decade. Conversely, the insurance industry’s share of the non-elderly market would shrink from half to 35% within ten years.

In my view, the Lewin Group grossly underestimated how much damage Hacker’s original version of the PO would do to the insurance industry. I think a public insurer with half the non-elderly population and premiums at 23 percent below the industry’s would have quickly destroyed the insurance industry. Twenty-three percent is an enormous differential. To put 23 percent in perspective, consider that HMOs in the 1980s had premiums only 5-10% lower than the traditional non-managed-care insurance companies they eventually displaced. Even though most Americans didn’t want to be in HMOs, employers all over the country pushed their employees into HMOs in order to take advantage of that 5-10 percent premium differential. And that was two decades ago when premiums took less of a bite out of everyone’s pocket. Can you imagine how fast employers would dump their existing insurance company today for a 23 percent cut in their premium, especially if the PO were as kind and gentle as PO advocates say it would be?

It’s hard to believe that someone as informed about health policy as Hacker didn’t know his original PO had the potential to become a single-payer for the non-elderly. Let me read to you a portion of a transcript of a phone conference call sponsored by EPI on January 11, 2007 in which two participants, Ezra Klein (a blogger for the Washington Post) and Bob Kuttner (co-editor of the American Prospect), asked Hacker why he thought his proposal would succeed any better than Clinton’s 1993 Health Security Act. Klein says, “What you’ve proposed here is much more fundamentally dangerous to the actors who killed it the last time around.” Kuttner, who must have seen an early draft of the Lewin report, says, “ou’re setting in train a gradual process whereby the whole system gradually shifts from 50/50 to 60/40 to 70/30. So after a couple of generations, almost everybody is in the quasi-Medicare program. Is that the intent?”

Hacker denied that was his intent. He agreed that the PO would start out at 50 percent, but then it would basically just get stuck there despite its enormous cost advantages over the private insurance industry. Here’s what Hacker said: “ did not forecast a huge shift over just a 10-year period. I think it was a shift of two percentage points over that period. So, at that rate, we’d have everyone within Medicare in about 250 years.”

But Hacker was wrong. As I’ve already told you, when the Lewin Group released its analysis of Hacker’s proposed program a year after this conversation took place, they projected a 34% increase in the PO’s enrollment over a decade, not 2%. And as I said, I think Lewin was being way too conservative.

Hacker’s answer to Klein and Kuttner illustrates the strange state of denial Hacker and other PO advocates induced in themselves as they tried to sell the PO as a politically feasible alternative to single-payer even though it would, in its original form, do a lot of damage to the insurance industry and would probably have led to a single-payer for the non-elderly.

But Hacker’s confusion (and the confusion of other PO leaders) over whether the PO would be more feasible than a single-payer was MINOR compared to the confusion that set in when congressional Democrats adopted a microscopic version of Hacker’s original PO. When the Democrats released their draft legislation in June 2009, it was clear they had stripped out four of the five criteria for the public company that Hacker had specified in his original papers.

The only criterion the Democrats kept was the one requiring insurance companies to offer the same coverage as the PO. The other four criteria –
• the one calling for prepopulation of the PO,
• the one requiring that only the PO get subsidies,
• the one requiring that the PO be available to all non-elderly Americans, and
• the one authorizing Medicare’s reimbursement rates
– all four of those criteria were gone. Now it was crystal clear to anyone who understood what Hacker had originally proposed that the PO the Democrats had adopted was so small it wouldn’t affect the insurance industry. The Congressional Budget Office said the Senate version of the PO would insure no one; it said the House version would insure 10 million, and then later scaled that back to 6 million.
Now that the PO had been shriveled down from 129 million people to zero to 6 million, PO advocates faced not only the same old political feasibility problem (the insurance industry and the Republicans continued to scream about the tiny PO as if it were a big PO or a single-payer), but they also faced a huge logistical problem. A PO that represented no one on the day it opened for business wouldn’t be able to crack most insurance markets in the US, and might not even be able to survive.

This is where Hacker’s habit of always comparing the PO to Medicare became extremely misleading. When Medicare commenced operations on July 1, 1966, it represented nearly all seniors. With the exception of a few hospitals in the south that temporarily resisted integrating their facilities, all clinics and hospitals in America immediately began accepting Medicare enrollees even though there was no law requiring them to do so. The reason all clinics and hospitals did that is that Medicare represented an enormous constituency on day one and providers didn’t want to walk away from so many patients and so much money.

The tiny PO the Democrats incorporated into their bills was no Medicare. It would represent no one on the day it opened for business. It would have to do what NO insurance company has done in the last three or four decades, which is to create a new, successful insurance company in every state in the US. In fact, I’m pretty sure no insurance company has expanded into even ONE new market in the last three decades by building a new insurance company from scratch. For the last three decades, insurance companies that wanted to expand their empires have done so by BUYING their way into new markets. That is, they bought an existing insurance company.

But Hacker and other PO advocates blithely ignored this issue. They ignored it because they continued to talk about the Democrats’ PO as if it were the same huge PO Hacker had originally proposed. I might add that the CBO totally ignored this issue as well. The CBO never examined the issue of whether the PO would be able to crack even one US market, much less all of them. I think the CBO was being extremely generous to the House version of the PO when they said it would insure 6 million people.

Nevertheless, as inexplicably rosy as it was, the CBO’s reports on the PO sealed its fate. The poor PO was already hated by the right wing and the insurance industry. It was being promoted by people who cared more about an insurance industry bailout than the PO. And now the CBO was revealing the truth about the Democrats’ version of the PO – that it was laughably small and for that reason was going to save little or no money.

When Democrats throughout Congress, especially those in swing districts, asked themselves why they should vote for something as controversial as a PO when the darn thing wouldn’t save any money, PO advocates had no answers.

To sum up: The PO rose to prominence because powerful Democratic constituency groups thought single-payer was not feasible but the PO was. They were wrong. The PO failed politically, and it failed as a policy idea. Politically, it turned out to be no more feasible than single-payer. As a policy, it was a disaster. The tiny PO adopted by Democrats would have accomplished nothing other than to embarrass all of us who believe government must play a prominent role in insuring the uninsured.

Tags: Barack Obama, health care, Healthcare Reform, HR 676, public option, Single Payer Healthcare, Single-Payer, universal healthcare
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midnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-17-10 12:05 PM
Response to Reply #61
96. Thank you for posting this phone conference. I was one of those confused
and wondered why medicare for all was being bypassed. We already have a model that saves money and delivers healthcare to many. Unfortunately it is limited to those who fall into an age requirement.
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davidpdx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-16-10 10:40 PM
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68. I hope Merkley is helping to get Wyden on board
I know Wyden is up for reelection, but he should win in a cake walk.
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-16-10 10:44 PM
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69. Fist-bump for my pal, Sherrod Brown.
:fistbump:
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-16-10 10:51 PM
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70. Only 4?
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GreenTea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-16-10 11:58 PM
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74. Where's the other 50 or so Dem senators needed to put pressure on the weak-kneed Reid
Edited on Wed Feb-17-10 12:00 AM by GreenTea
Reconciliation is absolutely necessary and is the fair & correct thing to do.
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Rozlee Donating Member (821 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-17-10 09:11 AM
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89. They're too weak-kneed to put the pressure on Reid themselves
I am so disgusted to belong to a party of spineless jellyfish. And that's an insult to spinelss jellyfish.
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-17-10 12:38 AM
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76. put simply, a strong public option would show you can put the public interest ahead of corruption
for half a fucking second.
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-17-10 12:50 AM
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78. Reid will show them! He'll finally grow a spine and firmly resist the pressure to cave to Democrats.
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Rozlee Donating Member (821 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-17-10 09:15 AM
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91. Yup, he'll think they said pubic option and waffle on whether to put in a men's or women's room
And then tell them he'll get back to them in another year or two.

:hurts:
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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-17-10 03:52 AM
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82. yes! Yes!! YES!!! kick kickety kick!
:kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick:
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ProgressOnTheMove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-17-10 05:39 AM
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83. Good on those 4 Senators, reconciliation is the only way out at this point.
Edited on Wed Feb-17-10 05:40 AM by ProgressOnTheMove
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-17-10 07:15 AM
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85. If this HCR isn't rammed thru with a PO it will be Obama's fault for killing the Democratic Party
Edited on Wed Feb-17-10 07:17 AM by ElsewheresDaughter
and proof that the Dems are absolutely tutu wearing weaklings that the repukes have always claimed we were.
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DisgustedInMN Donating Member (956 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-17-10 07:31 AM
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86. Just sent a nice letter to both..
.. of my Senators to get on board with this, and will call their offices this AM.
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CanOfWhoopAss Donating Member (776 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-17-10 07:34 AM
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87. UP OR DOWN VOTE!! UP OR DOWN VOTE!! (eom)
UP OR DOWN VOTE!! UP OR DOWN VOTE!! UP OR DOWN VOTE!! UP OR DOWN VOTE!! UP OR DOWN VOTE!! UP OR DOWN VOTE!! UP OR DOWN VOTE!! UP OR DOWN VOTE!! UP OR DOWN VOTE!! UP OR DOWN VOTE!! UP OR DOWN VOTE!! UP OR DOWN VOTE!! UP OR DOWN VOTE!! UP OR DOWN VOTE!! UP OR DOWN VOTE!! UP OR DOWN VOTE!! UP OR DOWN VOTE!!
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progressoid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-17-10 08:04 AM
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88. Only 47 more to go.
:eyes:
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-17-10 11:13 AM
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95. shower them with faxes and phone calls!
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harun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-17-10 03:25 PM
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98. We have 10 now and many in the House
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 12:54 AM
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101. camp outside their doors when they come out tell them Public Option or else
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Fire1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-17-10 09:39 AM
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94. Just e-mailed my thank you letter to Senator Brown. n/t
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BarackObama2012 Donating Member (16 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-18-10 09:28 PM
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104. All of them Should be Pushing Reid
We need to pull together as Dems in order to get our Agenda passed.
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