San Diego students storm offices after noose found

[Judi Lynn]

Source: Associated Press

Posted on Sat, Feb. 27, 2010
San Diego students storm offices after noose found
ELLIOT SPAGAT
The Associated Press

SAN DIEGO - Anger boiled over on the University of California San Diego campus Friday, where students took over the chancellor's office for several hours to protest the hanging of a noose in a campus library.

Students wearing red handkerchiefs over their faces blocked the doors to Chancellor Marye Anne Fox's offices for hours, while more students inside chanted "Real pain, real change."

They left the office peacefully at sundown, about the same time that leaders of the university's Black Student Union ended talks with administrators in a nearby conference room over demands that include more boosting the African-American curriculum and campus activities. A university spokesman, Jeff Gattas, said there were no arrests and no property was damaged during the takeover.

The noose found dangling from a light fixture on the seventh floor of Geisel Library on Thursday night was the latest in a string of racially charged incidents in the university community, authorities said Friday. Less than two weeks ago, an off-campus party mocking Black History Month ignited racial tensions.

A University of California statement said a student admitted she and two other people were responsible. The statement did not identify the students or their race or include a motive.


Read more: http://www.philly.com/philly/wires/ap/news/nation/20100227_ap_sandiegostudentsstormofficesafternoosefound.html

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[muriel_volestrangler]

2. Why "real pain, real change"?

That doesn't seem to fit in with the rest of the story. What pain - fake or real?

[midnight]

3. I thought that California was more progressive. For a group of students

to come together and start bashing another ethnic group seems counter towards expanding ones understanding of themselves and others. Must be a cell from :CIA’S RECENT COLLEGE COUPS
The Bear Market writes in his blog of the push by the CIA in the last decades and the providence of Price’s article, ‘Price’s timing is impeccable. Last Monday, the day we were preparing to send his story to press, came news that a group of Fox News’ free-lance buggers - the same who set up ACORN – had been arrested, trying for phone sabotage in Senator Mary Landrieu’s New Orleans office. Three of the team were caught inside Landrieu’s office. A fourth was arrested as he sat in a car a few blocks away with what the police described as “a listening device that could pick up transmissions.’ Another anonymous official told MSNBC that the man in the car was Stan Dai.
Dai is a veteran of Trinity Washington University’s spook school,. funded by the ‘Intelligence Community’. In 2008, Dai served as associate director of ICCAE at Trinity Washington.”http://the-teacher.blogspot.com/2010/02/cia-on-campusare-they-on-campus-near.html

[NYC_SKP]

4. I don't know how representative of California students at a UC really are anymore.

I'm getting old, and I'm not going to generalize, but.

From what I hear among people I know, the cost of attending a UC has risen so high that you're not going to attract as representative a sample from the full demographic of the state as you would have in the past.

We almost certainly have more out-of-state and foreign students than we did a generation ago.

And almost certainly far fewer from middle or even upper middle class families.

[MindPilot]

6. Likely just a small group of rich frat boys...

getting way more attention than they deserve.

[midnight]

7. That's what I think, but they have some training like those who set up Acorn.

CIA’S RECENT COLLEGE COUPS
The Bear Market writes in his blog of the push by the CIA in the last decades and the providence of Price’s article, ‘Price’s timing is impeccable. Last Monday, the day we were preparing to send his story to press, came news that a group of Fox News’ free-lance buggers - the same who set up ACORN – had been arrested, trying for phone sabotage in Senator Mary Landrieu’s New Orleans office. Three of the team were caught inside Landrieu’s office. A fourth was arrested as he sat in a car a few blocks away with what the police described as “a listening device that could pick up transmissions.’ Another anonymous official told MSNBC that the man in the car was Stan Dai.
Dai is a veteran of Trinity Washington University’s spook school,. funded by the ‘Intelligence Community’. In 2008, Dai served as associate director of ICCAE at Trinity Washington.”http://the-teacher.blogspot.com/2010/02/cia-on-campusar...

[warm regards]

101. Acorn set themselves up.

The behavior of those I saw on tape was abhorrent.

[Bette Noir]

12. It was a girl.

And UC San Diego is less than 2% African American.

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-uc-protests27-2010feb27,0,3967867.story?track=rss&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+latimes%2Fmostviewed+%28L.A.+Times+-+Most+Viewed+Stories%29

[MindPilot]

17. I was referring to NYC_Skip's more general comment

About the UC population.

[SemperEadem]

36. and she'd be the first to howl if someone

said or did something that would excuse raping of women as "a joke".

Anyone who is purposely and willfully ignorant of the history of lynching in this country and believes that hanging a noose from a light fixture while a campus is being torn apart by one group menacing another group solely because of the color of their skin is ok is lost. There is no hope for them.

[theHandpuppet]

38. What a totally bizarre comment

"...and she'd be the first to howl if someone said or did something that would excuse raping of women as "a joke".

[SemperEadem]

98. deal with it

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[Mike K]

43. Exactly.

But the more relevant point is no one knows for sure who hung the noose, so what is all the riotous nonsense supposed to achieve? Was it some White racist group, or just some malicious individual White troublemaker? Was it somebody's warped sense of humor? Was it an individual Black agent provocateur -- or a Black group intending to call attention to an undesirable situation? No one knows!

So until it is known who hung that noose, and why, there is no valid cause for all this hell-raising. This is 2010, not 1910 and it is self-defeating to the purpose of Black progress.

[Lilyeye]

83. You're right that all we know is that it is a girl and they haven't given the race of the person.

However, it is known that the people who started the party and the ones who made the "ungrateful N******" comment were white.

[gtar100]

25. Another intended or unintended consequence of Reagan doing away with

publicly funded higher education in California. Truly one of the greatest steps backwards he and his accomplices made.

[bos1]

5. San Diego is NOT progressive. It's a conservate military base city.

They named their airport after a known Nazi-sympathizer, Lindbergh. When the city council first created a MLK avenue, the good people of San Diego made referendum to successfully change it to John Wayne avenue. The whole city has always been in denial that it is a border town with Mexican Americans slowly making cultural changes throughout the whole city.

[MindPilot]

8. Yeah we're a regular fucking Aryan nation over here.

Everyone in the entire city is racist especially that all-white military.

[bos1]

14. I grew up there. what's your prob?

[MindPilot]

16. My "prob" is your generous application of the broad brush.

[Suji to Seoul]

26. Bilbray and Cunningham. You aren't. . .many of your neighbors are

thin skin, much?

[MindPilot]

45. Susan Davis & Bob Filner n/t

[bos1]

32. San Diego is a conservative town. Military bases tend to create conservatism, no matter what that

the military is now multi-racial. People in San Diego, their politics, and the politicians there tend to be conservative to right wing. Go look up Roger Hedgecock, who was a crook to boot. Look up what I said about Lindbergh and how that cannot be an accident (everybody from that era knew of his Nazi sympathies). Look up what I said about MLK avenue (good news is that there is now one.)

It might be getting better there but it is a conservative place. If you have an argument against that, make it.

[MindPilot]

44. A majority of registered voters in San Diego Country are Democrats.

But yeah, you're right, the racists of San Diego named our airport for Charles Lindbergh because he was a Nazi sympathizer, the fact that he is also a world-renowned aviation hero is just a really weird coincidence. We also have several Ford dealers in the county just to make sure that we never forget to honor those who supported the Third Reich.

And when it came to naming a street after Martin Luther King it was just white racists who were against it. Opposition to changing the name of a main downtown thoroughfare had absolutely nothing to do with the fact that it would have cost hundreds of businesses boatloads of money. No, the only motivation was racism which is probably why King doesn't have a street named after him--it is a fucking FREEWAY.

And of course Rodger Hedgecock was elected because he promised to restore San Diego to it's rightful place as a lily-white city of Nazis but he failed so the all-powerful KKK had to trick him into some shady financial deals to destroy his career.

I've lived in San Diego for almost 40 years. I don't have to look up any of those things you mentioned because I lived through them.

[bos1]

53. If you live in SD and don't know it's conservative, you live in a fantasy. nt

[haele]

39. Actually, it's the military bases that makes it less conservative and more diverse

Your average San Diego conservative is usually:
Urban/Suburban -
A business major, a celebrity (sports, local talking head, arts or "spiritual") a developer, a foreign investor or other type of well off "weather refugee", or a more libertarian type engineer. For the multi-generational locals - he or she has grown up in the rather clannish fishing community. If military, he or she is a almost always an officer or retired senior enlisted. They also usually belong to one of the Mega-churches. The ones who belong to the other more fundy churches (Mormons, Catholics, Baptists)are usually higher ranking; the lower ranks are usually tolerant to their neighbors but sheep when it comes to the ballot box.
Rural -
Old family ranchers, whether they be Anglo, the "oakie" or the land grant families (Roger Hedgecock and Tom Metzger were from one of those type families). The wealthier "self made" retiree. The Aryan Nation has a huge presence in the east and back country.
If you look at the average conservative in San Diego County, they tend to be people who have made money, and are afraid of having it taken away because the California economy is in the shits. So they get over their fears by waving the flag harder, going to church more ostentatiously,and searching for ways to make themselves appear more worthy of using the dwindling resources than the rest of us poor hard-working slobs that live in the county.
And those are the locals who shape the current attitude of UCSD and it's local satellites. It's not a friendly campus if you're young and aren't "worthy", whether you're a geek, a med student, an artist, a nerd, or a jock.

Final thoughts - San Diego county is one of the largest counties in the United States, with the highest population for a county of it's size (most large counties have only a couple towns of over 100K and one city; San Diego has 5 cities of close to a million or over and at least 8 towns of 100K or more in population.)
And the SPLC has identified California as being the home of the most isolationist, racial bias and home-grown "terror" based groups in the US. They may not be large groups, but they're still there.

Haele

[MindPilot]

49. I was doing some research on the history of the KKK in San Diego

I discovered--as near as I can figure out--that the main headquarters for the entire Southern California region used to be less than two blocks from my house. On that site now there is a community rec center where kids of all races play basketball, soccer, tennis, baseball, and all kinds of different groups hold their meetings. I like to think there is a bit of justice in that.

[wellstone dem]

40. Hey the Minneapolis/St. Paul airport is also

named after Lindbergh, and those communities have not lately been accused of being conservative, of course he is from here.

[hayu_lol]

100. bos1, Be careful when you use an overwide brush...

Lindbergh was not a Nazi sympathizer per se, he spoke about the strength of the Nazi War Machine which he personally observed. What he really wanted was for us to stay out of the war. Not so different really from many DU'ers today who want our troops out of the middle east. He tried hard to join our military but was refused. Spent the war years working with Pan American.

San Diego is a very conservative city but not the least bit isolationist. They did have that trolley that went from SD to the border that was very successful.

UC population has heavy enrollment coming from all the states. With rising tuition/dorm costs, wealthy kids make up the bulk of the student population...just as they do at UC Santa Cruz(surfs up kinda place). Large foreign contingent(as it is at many UC campuses), all paying full tuition and dorm costs. Rest of the student body is mostly scholarship, grant/loan students.

The fraternity that promulgated this, directly or indirectly, is probably not much different from those who belong to Skull & Bones. A girl has admitted that she hung the noose and has named two other students involved...so the 'perps' are known.

[goclark]

9. A few years ago I attended a Forum on Civil Rights Issue in CA

I was shocked to learn that the KKK was very much alive in CA.

It was hard and disappointing to learn that CA (which is known to be "liberal" is not without its bigots.)

San Diego is an indication that the CA is not "Racist Free."

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[Judi Lynn]

11. It's normal to make typos. It's not normal to mock others. n/t

[Bette Noir]

13. It's normal, just not nice.

[goclark]

19. Thank you for being such a caring person ~ I did an edit

I had to leave the keyboard to take care of my 91 years young mother that has Alzheimer's.

At times like that,I sometimes forget to spell check.

I think I'll also let the person know that had such a strong opinion. :hug:

[Judi Lynn]

24. We ALL make typos. ALL of us. It's inevitable for those of us who have other things going on

in our lives at the same time, and it sounds as if you've got your hands full.

The only people with the time to harrass others about typos have far too much empty time on their hands!

When I make typos I always hope the people I respect will easily grasp what I'm trying to say, even when I choose the wrong word, or leave words out, or mangle them altogether.

Don't even think twice now, or ever! The message always get through.

[tango-tee]

42. All the best to you....

...I know how difficult it is to take care of a helpless person. My mom has been paralyzed for 27 years, and we are taking care of Mom at home.

Wishing you much strength and sending hugs.

:hug:

[goclark]

21. I believe I know how to spell it now

and as an African American I have known how to spot one all my life.

I made the correction.

[MindPilot]

15. California is a huge and diverse place, bigger than some countries.

So yes, there are racists here, just like everywhere else. It is also true that the KKK and the American Nazi Party have a lot of history in California. I don't know why you would expect ideological purity from a place that graced the nation with both Barbara Boxer and Ronald Reagan.

[Gman2]

18. Seeing how quickly you jump to ALL of califs defense, I now understand more

the southern gents motivations. San Diego is cosmopolitan, in some sectors, we have every bit as stigma'ed south here. Meth aplenty. Cops know no bounds. The right wingers feel safe enough to raid Dem garden parties, and jail and mace them. San Diego is getting VERY HARSH. And fast. Crooked judges and cops, to fix the budget deficit. The place is shit, just like most other places now.

[goclark]

28. I live in Los Angeles so I do understand

Rodney Kind said it best ~ Can't we all get along

[goclark]

97. Amazing that you are not understanding me

So, I will end this discussion.

[Gman2]

103. I wasnt really criticizing you. I just got it. You were a parallel.

[goclark]

22. Exactly! nt

[SemperEadem]

35. ummm.. no

perhaps LA and SF are, but once you get out of those areas and into the sticks, it's no different that in the deep south. Racists exist everywhere, as do their apologists.

[sellitman]

20. I rec'd this but still believe in the un-rec feature. NT

[defendandprotect]

23. Wasn't California once one of our most liberal states -- ????

[goclark]

33. People here have always come in many colors

and opinions.

There are good and bad apples on our trees as well.

[defendandprotect]

34. I mean in general --

wasn't California one of the most liberal states -- ?

I understand what you mean -- but didn't we once have this concept of California

as hugely liberal?


Was it simply Reagan and his ability to turn all of this around --

"getting tough with students" --

the tax issues?


Was the Reagan movement real -- or was it computer voting . . .

which coincidentally began to come in just about the time US passed "The Voting Rights Act"?


I'm just asking for opinion here -- just wonderin' --

[goclark]

46. Yes, I guess that is what people thought of us

The Los Angeles Area has a history of being known for being "anything goes" close to Hollywood.

:smile:

[defendandprotect]

80. So, our view of all of CA was based on LA . .. ???

Wait a minute -- when RFK was killed in LA, 50% of the LAPD were John Birchers!??

And there were notorious right wingers in Hollywood -- beginning with John Wayne and

Moses loves guns!

I thought for a long while the GOP was petrified of CA's large number of electoral votes

going to Dems? Weren't they suggesting a fairer distribution according to votes...

Dem/Repug???

This may be tedious questioning for you -- move on if you wish -- don't try to be overly

polite!!

[haele]

41. Nope,California is one of the most libertarian states - behind Arizona, of course :)

The majority of the population or their families came out here to "remake" themselves or get rich quick. There are a few who came here for a educational opportunity, natural beauty or spiritual sense, but most came for what they could get from the resources.
That attitude tends to breed a conservative outlook.

Haele

[MindPilot]

51. People seem to have the notion that the whole state is one city.

California = LA or San Francisco or Fresno or Hollywood or San Diego depending on which generalization they wish to apply.

The general perception is that California is some godless socialist liberal outpost of the former Soviet Union, but the fact is we are a very mixed bag. Something for everyone, but utopia for none.

[disndat]

27. San Diego used to be Whitelandia.

a military naval base. George Bush parachuted onto an aircraft carrier and made his famous "Mission Accomplished" victory speech, with a background view of San Diego caught in one of the photos. LOL.

[EFerrari]

31. Yep. My Aunt moved back up to SF from San Diego in the 60s

because she had a biracial kid and didn't want him growing up there. On the other hand, most suburbs in CA were Whitelandia in the 60s and well into the 70s and San Francisco had two black "districts", the Filmore and Hunter's Point.

[MindPilot]

47. Ummm, no. * did not parachute onto an aircraft carrier.

:eyes:

In case you hadn't noticed the military has been racially integrated for about 50 years.

San Diego happened to be in the background when Bush pulled that stupid stunt and that somehow supports your silly notion that it's "Whitelandia"?

[captain jack]

29. Nothing says courage like hanging a piece of rope in the 7th fl of a library at night.

If these people were justified they would walk about the streets with their I hate (name here) signs, preaching to the converted. But the fact is they are fearful and inconsequential. Their "messages" are far overshadowed by their overwhelming cowardice, hence, hanging a piece of rope in the 7th floor of a library at night. They should go hang a noose amongst, and in view of, those they hate.

[pundaint]

30. There is something these activists can teach us about pushing the People's agenda

Real pain is the only way the Politico-Military-Corporatist dogs running our country will change. General strikes get better social policy in France. A million people who have been cheated out of their share of America's intrinsic wealth by Government and Corporate rule makers could interrupt commerce enough to be negotiated with.

[Kurska]

37. What the hell does "Storming the offices" show? What messages are the trying to send?

Why not a peaceful picket, Why red bandannas and "Real pain real change". We want peace not faux race riots.

Putting the Noose up is unacceptable, but so is storming privately owned property, this whole incident has gone too far and shouldn't be allowed to escalate any further. Both parties need to be found and told to calm the fuck down and stop screwing with each other, generally I'm on the side of the african american students, but that doesn't excuse this.

Any crimes that were committed should be handled by the police (hanging a noose is I believe a hate crime.)

[pundaint]

63. Sometimes it takes a little noise to be heard. For instance, by some polls, Americans

want single payer, but Congress hasn't heard about it yet.

[Kurska]

99. Do you think we should storm congress for a few hours for healthcare.

I'm SURE that will end well.

[Lilyeye]

84. I guess some students were fed up because of the shitty response to the other racial incidents.

[Nikki Stone1]

50. Many many threads on this. For real info, go to the sources listed in

this post, aside from this much repeated AP story in the OP. Lots of first hand stuff (including a photo of the noose that no news source as) on these threads:

GD

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x7803228

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=7801524&mesg_id=7801524

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=7791454&mesg_id=7791454


Videos
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x438253
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x438252

[Nikki Stone1]

52. .

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[Lilyeye]

89. Thanks Nikki for the information.

[Nikki Stone1]

54. Student who hung noose has been suspended. See:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=7808791&mesg_id=7808791

[Shining Jack]

56. Perfect ! nt

[Nikki Stone1]

68. I've been writing on this for the past three days in GD. Couldn't get above 20 recs

because of all the unrecs. While I'm glad this topic is finally out there, I can't help but be pissed that so many other threads on this topic were trashed early on.

[Shining Jack]

77. That's disturbing.

I would say that the people who unrec threads like these have no business being here at all.

[Lilyeye]

85. I mentioned the unrecs before. Yet some folks got into a hoopla over my comments.

[TLM]

55. Big difference between a noose and compton cookout....

As a fan of offensive and over the top humor, I find it rather unfortunate that people are trying to lump these two things together as if they were the same type of act.

The Compton cook out was one of many similar parties held over the years with themes ranging from pimp & ho to trailer park to cholos and choloas etc. They're offensive over the top humor making fun of stereotypes. They're not, and never been, about hate or anger or fear or persecution.


Whereas hanging a noose up in the library is an act of hate and fear and persecution, aimed not at poking fun, but at creating fear, intimidation, and making threats.

It's wrong and unfair to paint these two things with the same brush... one is a joke and one is a threat. You can be offended or upset all you want at the joke, call it inappropriate... call it insensitive... call it stupid... but don't call it a death threat. Because that's what the noose is, a death threat.

[MindPilot]

57. +10000 I wish I could rec a single post.

[sulphurdunn]

58. It' not just the noose.

There's a lot of other right wing shit flowing from the top down on UC campuses that has been gaining momentum since the days when Ronnie R. was governor.

[Liberty Belle]

59. Shut down of ALL student newspapers: ACLU objects

The racist stuff is inexcusable.

However the admin has used racist parody crap in one student publication as an excuse to shut down ALL student publications on campus, which has got to be a violation of free speech. Very convenient...so students can't have a voice to protest tuition increases or other legitimate points of concern.


http://www.10news.com/news/22638654/detail.html

ACLU issued a letter objecting to banning all free speech on campus: http://www.10news.com/download/2010/0225/22664817.pdf

[marshall]

66. Have they weighed in on the incident that sparked this?

Is hanging a noose equivalent to burning a flag as far as they are concerned?

[Nikki Stone1]

70. The noose wasn't the reason for the TEMPORARY freeze on student media funding: please

read the real stuff that I have been posting for days in GD:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=7791454&mesg_id=7791454

"Two words aired on Student-Run Television Thursday night brought UCSD into the national spotlight — and into yet another campus free-speech debate. After Kris Gregorian, editor in chief of humor newspaper the Koala, said that protesters of last week’s controversial “Compton Cookout” party were “ungrateful niggers” on Channel 18, the Black Student Union declared a “State of Emergency” and issued a six-page list of demands to the university.
In response to the outrage — expressed principally by the black population at UCSD, or about 1.3 percent of 22,000 undergraduates — A.S. President Utsav Gupta immediately shut down SRTV. Then, on Friday afternoon, he unexpectedly decided to freeze all student fees toward media organizations.

Party Foul
The Feb. 15 Cookout was a racially themed fraternity party widely condemned by the BSU and the Student Affirmative Action Committee, along with Chancellor Marye Anne Fox and Vice Chancellor of Student Affairs Penny Rue.
According to ABC 10 News, the party was held at the home of Pi Kappa Alpha member Elliot Van Nostrand, who was also responsible for creating the highly criticized Facebook event. (The PIKE active roster has been removed from the fraternity’s Web site. Robby Naoufal, president of the Inter-Fraternity Council, said he had no access to fraternity rosters.)

To complicate the matter further, a Youtube video has surfaced featuring black Internet personality Jiggaboo Jones, in which he claims the party was a promotional event for his DVD release. The video is widely linked in comments on news stories and forums — used to prove party planners weren’t being racist. Jones confirmed he was affiliated with the party.
“I am very upset that they would pick out my fans to try to get back at me and to start this madness,” he said.
Though IFC adviser Emily Feinstein stated the incident was neither funded nor sponsored by any fraternity, PIKE has received much of the blame. An anonymous member of PIKE said the fraternity is planning to sue the university for slander. Both Naoufal and Campuswide Senator Tobias Haglund, a member of PIKE, said they were unaware of this plan. Neither PIKE president Garron Engstrom nor Van Nostrand could be reached for comment..."

[marshall]

72. That's pretty much my point

They've just now weighed in, but the issue goes beyond the incident that has caputred attention.

[Nikki Stone1]

73. Please read the backstory before commenting. It's all here:

Honestly! I wouldn't feel so badly about it except that I have been documenting this story on DU for the past several days on GD. I have compiled the info and links here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=4286603&mesg_id=4286603

[marshall]

74. Thank you for your posts

Spreading information is always a good thing.

[Nikki Stone1]

69. 10 News has it wrong. The shutdown is TEMPORARY

Gupta is basically trying to figure out how to defund one unfunny, untalented, unintelligent group of drunks who use $7000 in student money to fund KOALA, an unfunny, untalented, unintelligent "satirical paper" because their "writers" called the Black Student Union "ungrateful niggers" on student TV. They don't want to shut down the UCSD Guardian and other publications or media. Trust me, Ten News got it WRONG. They often do.

[Liberty Belle]

81. Thanks for the clarification.

10News is about the only station left with an investogative reporting "I-Team" and they're usually more accurate than other news outlets around here, but in this case they may have erred.

What is your source that indicates the ban is temporary? And I don't understand why they couldn't just have the "temporary" ban on only the offending publication while they determine the legalities of a permanent ban; what justification is there for shutting down others, even temporarily, that did nothing wrong?

[Liberty Belle]

60. More here from the San Diego media:

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/feb/27/noose-stokes-racial-anger-at-ucsd/

http://www.10news.com/news/22682950/detail.html

And a troubling concern over a crackdown on free speech -- campus wants to use this as an excuse to shut down ALL student publications, not just the one with racist material;

http://www.10news.com/news/22638654/detail.html

[Nikki Stone1]

67. Bullshit. They just want to shut down KOALA. Read links in my post above

They come from the university itself, not new sources that are getting it wrong.

[caseymoz]

61. Please, I'm tired of every good thread starting with unrec complaints.

Do you know how easy it is to accidentally unrec a thread? Especially early in the morning? I've hit the wrong button a few times.

[Lilyeye]

87. Then ignore it and instead of adding to what you claim to dislike.

[caseymoz]

62. Pretty ugly, but not surprising.

We'll get Fox ignoring it, we'll get Limbaugh spinning it as some kind of prank that Black Leaders are exploiting.

Sheesh, didn't Berkley just have a riot? It sounds like California campuses are pretty tense right now.

[suede1]

64. Love it when people stand up and do the right thing.

[The abyss]

65. For what it means

I must state my frustration with this “unreccomend” feature.

I see no sense in downgrading anything brought to this table. If a poster has found an interesting topic I feel they have done me a favor.

The DU forum still remains one of my primary sources of information and debate.

[Divine Discontent]

95. exactly... it shouldn't be taken off a 'greatest' page just because a few others don't want others

to see it. Several bad things about unrec.


And I'm glad they figured out who did the noose thing... good!

[Nikki Stone1]

71. COMPLETE STORY WITH BACKSTORY AND LINKS @

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=4286603&mesg_id=4286603

[Judi Lynn]

76. Outstanding. Looking foward to reading the material you've gathered. Thank you. n/t

[Nikki Stone1]

78. Welcome.

I've been trying to get all the facts together before it all becomes urban legend. My friend was there on the front lines and he had a lot for me to read.

[Ed76638]

75. Sounds like it was a total zerg.

[Blandocyte]

79. Racism is alive and well

despite what the neo-con racists say.

[Odin2005]

82. HOLY SHIT!

:wow:

[nsd]

86. Until they identify the student and cite her motives this means nothing.

And even then, it's just one person. Treating this like a huge event is ridiculous.

Unrecommend.

[Lilyeye]

88. If you read Nikki's information about what has been going on you would know the motive.

[nsd]

90. A link would be helpful.

[Lilyeye]

91. The links are right in the thread. Her post was #87. But here's one of them

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x4286603

Nikki has the backstory in this thread.

[nsd]

93. Huh? That link explains nothing.

Where is the backstory?

Specifically: What race is the woman who hung the noose? Did she have a racial motivation? If so, what was it? Was anybody else involved? If so, what was their motivation?

That is what would constitute an explanation. What Nikki posted doesn't clarify what happened.

ETA: I'm not trying to be argumentative. I'm just pointing out that this story seems really murky and that details would be quite helpful.

[Lilyeye]

94. Look at Nikki's post in the thread where she posts many links. I mentioned that before.

And if you had of really looked through the thread I posted, you would see where she has all the backstory links. Seems to me that you would be able to find the information if you really cared to look for it.

[nsd]

96. What?

I clicked on that link. It doesn't have any answers.

Just tell me this:

1. Why did the woman who hung the noose do what she did?

2. Were any other people involved?

3. If so, why did they act they way they did?

Answer those questions and I will be satisfied.

[Nikki Stone1]

92. Link

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=4286603&mesg_id=4286603

[scottsoperson]

102. racial profiling in missouri

http://ago.mo.gov/racialprofiling/2008/racialprofiling2008.htm

[Rapier09]

104. Blaming conservatives for racism is stupid

There is plenty of liberals with some really interesting private views on minorities.