Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

Venezuela's Chavez 'held secret talks with Farc rebel'

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Latest Breaking News Donate to DU
 
pampango Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-10 03:02 PM
Original message
Venezuela's Chavez 'held secret talks with Farc rebel'
Source: BBC

Venezuela's President Hugo Chavez has said that he once held secret talks with a top leader of Colombian rebel group Farc. Mr Chavez said he met Raul Reyes, later killed in a Colombian military raid, at the request of the country's president.

But a former Colombian peace negotiator has denied Mr Chavez's claims that any meeting was asked for by then-president Andres Pastrana. Former Colombian peace negotiator Camilo Gomez denied the claims, saying that Mr Chavez "is not being faithful to the truth". He said that though Mr Chavez had requested talks with Farc, no official authorisation or approval had ever been given.

Mr Chavez said the meeting was held at his presidential residence in Caracas. "I once met Raul Reyes, in private and in secret," Mr Chavez said, according to Colombian and Spanish media reports.

The Venezuelan president's comments came after the country angrily dismissed allegations made by a Spanish judge that the Venezuelan government assisted both Basque separatist group Eta and Farc, which plotted to kill Colombia's President Alvaro Uribe.

Read more: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8571232.stm
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
h9socialist Donating Member (584 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-10 03:24 PM
Response to Original message
1. Colombia is a Neo-Fascist state . . .
. . . which has been characterized by repression and murder (especially against organized labor). Colombia is a country where Rush Limbaugh might consider going if Health Care Reform passes. It's also a country that would welcome Dick Cheney with open arms.

President Obama should cut off relations with Colombia until the current regime of fascists are overthrown.

President Chavez should be commended for talking to and supporting the domestic enemies of the fascist regime in Colombia.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Enrique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-10 03:41 PM
Response to Reply #1
4. Chavez denies supporting Farc
in this story, he says he met him at the request of the Colombian president. That doesn't mean he supports Farc. You may believe if you want that Chavez supports Farc, but Chavez himself has always denied it.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
warm regards Donating Member (350 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-10 05:03 PM
Response to Reply #1
6. I have not doubt that Chavez is supporting FARC. If only it could be proven...
For then Chavez would stand a good chance of meeting the same fate as Mr. Reyes.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-10 11:34 PM
Response to Reply #6
17. Are you lost? We don't usually wish for the death of foreign leaders here.
Who else would you like to be killed?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
naaman fletcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-10 10:30 PM
Response to Reply #1
16. So you believe in violent reigeme change in opposition to the will of the voters?
In what other countries do you think that is ok?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
h9socialist Donating Member (584 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-17-10 09:54 AM
Response to Reply #16
19. What "will of the voters"???
You sound like a member of Brigade 2506.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
naaman fletcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-17-10 11:18 AM
Response to Reply #19
22. what are you talking about? nt.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
h9socialist Donating Member (584 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-17-10 11:55 AM
Response to Reply #22
23. Google "Brigade 2506"
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Ozymanithrax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-10 03:34 PM
Response to Original message
2. The Farc are a group of giggling murderers. The only difference between the FARC
and Columibia's Neo-facist government is their ideology.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-10 03:38 PM
Response to Original message
3. Yawn. nt
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Better Today Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-10 04:12 PM
Response to Original message
5. "no official authorisation ...given," does not exclude the possiblity of
unofficial and secret approval that would have lead to ...let's see....secret meetings.

DUH! What a shallow and idiotic remark by Gomez. It might be believable if Pastrana said it, is he around to speak for himself?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
dipsydoodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-10 05:45 PM
Response to Original message
7. I think this maybe partly in response
to the load of old shite on the famous laptop.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
bitchkitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-10 05:48 PM
Response to Original message
8. yea, yea, yea. Pull the other one.
It sure is taking them a lot of time to pull all that shit off "the laptop." Either they're stupid as hell or there is no fucking laptop, and this story is bullshit.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
dipsydoodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-10 06:03 PM
Response to Reply #8
11. Maybe something was lost in translation
and it was actually a lap dancer they found who was good at making up stuff. :rofl:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
bitchkitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-10 07:16 PM
Response to Reply #11
14. Ha!
Good one - what's sad is that a lap dancer's fantasies would have more credibility.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
conspirator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-10 05:53 PM
Response to Original message
9. So? Colombia, the US, and even Spain support the Right Wing murderers AUC
So they should shut the fuck up
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
rabs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-10 06:02 PM
Response to Original message
10. Chavez got cheated; he only met with Reyes, the No. 2 FARC guy

The BBC article does not mention that former President Pastrana, who is now denying he asked Chavez to meet with Reyes, met at least twice with the founder and No. 1 of the FARC, Manuel "Sureshot" Marulanda.

Snips:

Negotiation in the midst of war and the construction of a new state: 1998–2002

The Pastrana administration’s peace policy developed amid the expansion and degradation of the war. These conditions resulted in popular mobilizations, culminating in 10 million votes for the Mandate for Peace in October 1997, forcing the prioritization of a policy of peace talks

-----------------

The protagonism of President Andrés Pastrana was central to the process, not only in his pre-election contacts that generated the dialogue and negotiation process, but also in the role he played in moments of crisis. This was the case in early May 1999 when he travelled to the demilitarized zone to meet with Manuel Marulanda and develop with him the start of formal negotiations on the basis of a common agenda. Similarly on 8–9 February 2001 he met again with Marulanda to attempt to unfreeze the talks.

----------------------
Long, detailed article of past negotiations between past Colombian governments and the FARC if anyone wants to wade through it.

http://www.c-r.org/our-work/accord/colombia/negotiations-farc.php




Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
devilgrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-10 06:14 PM
Response to Original message
12. Say? Didn't Chavez secretly meet with one of the 9/11 bombers too?
:sarcasm:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-10 06:26 PM
Response to Reply #12
13. He met with a number two!!11111. nt
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
h9socialist Donating Member (584 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-17-10 10:03 AM
Response to Reply #12
20. No! No! No!
Cheney didn't want a breach of secrecy like that! It might have spoiled the whole neo-con plan for scaring the stupid people into voting Republican.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
h9socialist Donating Member (584 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-17-10 10:03 AM
Response to Reply #12
21. No! No! No!
Cheney didn't want a breach of secrecy like that! It might have spoiled the whole neo-con plan for scaring the stupid people into voting Republican.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-10 09:25 PM
Response to Original message
15. How fantastically stupid to claim he lied because Pastrana didn't ask him to mediate.
Everyone knows the CURRENT President of Colombia, Alvaro Uribe is the one who originally ASKED Hugo Chavez to mediate with the FARC several years ago. EVERYONE. It was very thoroughly discussed here at D.U. at that time, and it has been a point of reference regularly since then.

Here's one article posted then:
Colombia okays Chavez-FARC rebel chief meet: Chavez
11-20-2007

Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez said Monday that his Colombian counterpart has given him the go-ahead to set up a meeting with the chief of the Marxist FARC group on releasing dozens of rebel-held hostages.

"Under certain conditions which I cannot reveal because they are part of a negotiating process, (Colombian President Alvaro) Uribe told me: 'You can go,' and I have the intention of going," Chavez told the Colombian RCN radio station.

The Venezuelan leader gave no other details about the location of the meeting or the agreement he struck with Uribe.

But the Colombian government said in a statement Monday that it had set a December deadline for Chavez to achieve a breakthrough in the talks.
http://www.anatoliantimes.com/hbr2.asp?id=&s=int&a=071120045138.0ccb0f3g

~~~~

Caracas, Monday November 19 , 2007
EU reiterates support for Chávez's mediation in Colombia

The European Ministers of Foreign Affairs Monday voiced their support to the talks between the Colombian government and the Colombian Revolutionary Armed Forces (FARC) to attain a humanitarian agreement to swap hostages for rebels, and showed a particular interest in the mediation efforts conducted by President Hugo Chávez, AFP reported.

In a statement adopted during a meeting in Brussels, the 27 members of the European Union said the bloc "is closely watching the efforts of the Colombian government, particularly with the collaboration of the President of Venezuela, and supports the work of all the people committed to enforce the humanitarian international law in Colombia."

The statement came on the eve of Chávez's visit to Paris, where he is to inform his French counterpart Nicolas Sarkozy on the progress made in his mediation efforts.

Last October 9, the Portuguese Presidency of the EU supported Chávez's mediation between the Colombian government and the FARC.
More:
http://english.eluniversal.com/2007/11/19/en_pol_art_eu-reiterates-suppor_19A1204723.shtml
Opposition (right-wing) newspaper
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-17-10 04:39 AM
Response to Original message
18. SO! He was probably just trying to get hostages released.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
unkachuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-17-10 08:31 PM
Response to Reply #18
26. exactly....
....and I applaud Mr. Chavez for making an extra effort for peace....when a Western leader walks an extra mile for peace he usually receives world-wide support and the Nobel Peace Prize....
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
classysassy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-17-10 04:41 PM
Response to Original message
24. Its time to bash Chavez
by our very own right leaning Chavez haters,shame on all of you.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-17-10 06:12 PM
Response to Reply #24
25. The daily "two-minutes of hate" is what it is.
You can always tell what the "news media" has its panties in a twist about because you get some sort of tortured bilge about it trotted out every day.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-18-10 03:06 PM
Response to Original message
27. The anti-Venezuela election campaign
The anti-Venezuela election campaign

Venezuela's election is not until September, but the international campaign to delegitimise the government has already begun

Mark Weisbrot guardian.co.uk
Thursday 18 March 2010 19.00 GMT

Venezuela has an election for its national assembly in September, and the campaign has begun in earnest. I am referring to the international campaign. This is carried out largely through the international media, although some will spill over into the Venezuelan media. It involves many public officials, especially in the US. The goal will be to generate as much bad press as possible about Venezuela, to discredit the government, and to delegitimise the September elections – in case the opposition should choose to boycott, as they did in the last legislative elections, or refuse to recognise the results if they lose.

There's no need for conspiracy, since the principal actors all know what to do. Occasionally some will be off-message due to lack of co-ordination. A fascinating example of this occurred last week at when Senator John McCain tried to get General Doug Fraser of the US Southern Command to back his accusations that Venezuela supports terrorist activities. Testifying before the Senate armed services committee on March 11, General Fraser contradicted McCain:

"We have continued to watch very closely … We have not seen any connections specifically that I can verify that there has been a direct government-to-terrorist connection."

Oops! Apparently Fraser didn't get the memo that the Obama team, not just McCain, is in full campaign mode against Venezuela. The next day, he issued a statement recanting his testimony:

"Assistant Secretary Valenzuela and I spoke this morning on the topic of linkages between the government of Venezuela and the Farc. There is zero daylight between our two positions and we are in complete agreement.

"There is indeed clear and documented historical and ongoing evidence of the linkages between the government of Venezuela and the Farc … we are in direct alignment with our partners at the state department and the intelligence community."

Well it's good to know that the United States still has civilian control over the military, at least in the western hemisphere. On the other hand, it would be even better if the truth counted for anything in these Congressional hearings or in Washington foreign policy circles generally. The general's awkward and seemingly forced reversal went unnoticed by the media.

The "documented and historical and ongoing evidence" mentioned by General Fraser refers to material alleged to come from laptops and hard drives allegedly found by the Colombian military in a cross-border raid into Ecuador in 2008. Never mind that this is the same military that has been found to have killed hundreds of innocent teenagers and dressed them up in guerrilla clothing. These laptops and hard drives will continue to be tapped for previously undisclosed "evidence", which will then be deployed in the campaign against the Venezuelan government. We will be asked to assume that the "captured documents" are authentic, and most of the media will do so.

US secretary of state Hillary Clinton's attacks on Venezuela during her trip to South America were one of the opening salvos of this campaign. Most of what will follow is predictable. There will be hate-filled editorials in the major newspapers, led by the neocon editorial board of the Washington Post (aka Fox on 15th Street). Chávez will be accused of repressing the media, even though most of the Venezuelan media – as measured by audience – is still controlled by the opposition. In fact, the media in Venezuela is still far more in opposition to the government than is our own media in the United States, or for that matter in most of the world. But the international press will be trying to convey the image that Venezuela is Burma or North Korea.

In Washington DC, if I try to broadcast on an FM radio frequency without a legal broadcast licence, I will be shut down. When this happens in Venezuela, it is reported as censorship. No one here will bother to look at the legalities or the details, least of all the pundits and editorial writers, or even many of the reporters.

More:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2010/mar/18/venezuela-election
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Sat May 04th 2024, 05:06 AM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Latest Breaking News Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC