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alp227 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-19-10 12:08 AM
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Senators draft plan to rework U.S. immigration policy
Source: The Washington Post

Sens. Charles E. Schumer (D-N.Y.) and Lindsey O. Graham (R-S.C.) announced the building blocks Thursday for a new push in Congress to overhaul the nation's immigration laws, outlining a plan to require U.S. citizens and legal immigrants to obtain a new high-tech Social Security card tied to their fingerprints or other biometric identifiers and to create a system to bring in temporary workers as the U.S. economy demands.

The immigration "blueprint," outlined in an opinion column posted on The Washington Post's Web site, drew an immediate vow of support from President Obama, who urged Congress "to act at the earliest possible opportunity."

"I . . . pledge to do everything in my power to forge a bipartisan consensus on this important issue so we can continue to move forward on comprehensive immigration reform," Obama said in a statement released by the White House. Obama congratulated Schumer and Graham on what he called "a promising, bipartisan framework which can and should be the basis for moving forward."

Read more: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/03/18/AR2010031803762_pf.html
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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-19-10 12:10 AM
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1. is g w bush president again? nt
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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-19-10 12:13 AM
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2. Not again...... still
From what I've read its almost the exact same plan that the public was overwhelmingly against last time.
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The Northerner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-19-10 12:34 AM
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3. IMO, it's worse than the Bush plan
Edited on Fri Mar-19-10 12:34 AM by The Northerner
this current plan requires some sort of SS# national ID for employment or something.

Ugh.
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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-19-10 01:07 AM
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5. this current plan requires some sort of SS# national ID
... which is probably the real reason they want to try this again.

The elites have wanted us all in their data bank since Clinton first entertained his own version of the Patriot Act in the late 90's.

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AlphaCentauri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-19-10 12:39 AM
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4. Another round to lynch hispanics
Prosecutors at the murder trial of a teenager accused of killing an Ecuadorean immigrant say the fatal stabbing was the culmination of a campaign of violence against Hispanics.

Opening statements started Thursday in the trial of Jeffrey Conroy, who is charged with killing Marcelo Lucero (mar-SEHL'-oh loo-SEHR'-oh).

Conroy was among seven teens implicated in the November 2008 killing of Lucero. Prosecutors contend the teenagers targeted Hispanics for more than a year.

The 19-year-old is the sole murder defendant. Prosecutors say he admitted plunging a knife into the victim's chest during a midnight confrontation near the Patchogue (PACH'-awg) train station.

He has pleaded not guilty to murder and manslaughter as a hate crime

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5iyOq7mhNW2WjpPOWuAd607cd0xxgD9EH52AO0
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Politicalboi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-19-10 04:05 AM
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6. It's been coming for some time
My guess was a DNA sample to get a drivers license.
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cstanleytech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-19-10 04:44 AM
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7. Guys, what in your opinions is wrong with the proposal then? Also what would your suggestions
for immigration reform be?
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getthefacts Donating Member (190 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-19-10 08:51 AM
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8. Kick
Is anyone able to offer meaningful solutions to the issue instead of unhelpful criticism?
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cstanleytech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-19-10 10:22 PM
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13. "Is anyone able to offer meaningful solutions to the issue instead of unhelpful criticism?"
It doesn't seem very likely to happen, kinda sad really though not unexpected, after all its easier to heap criticism than it is to come up with meaningful solutions.
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pampango Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-20-10 06:42 AM
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14. Gotta blame those foreigners (and their stuff) than ourselves (particularly republicans)
for the destruction of progressive taxation with tax cuts for the rich and corporations, the shredding of the social safety net, the weakening of our unions, the evisceration of effective regulation of the financial industry and corporation, and the failure to provide effective national health care.

No, none of those things has anything to do with our economic (and social) problems (despite the evidence of what happens in really progressive countries). It's just those damn foreign immigrants and exports that are causing our problems. If we can just keep out those immigrants and imports, even if we can't fix the destruction caused by those who share our nationality.
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-19-10 09:41 AM
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10. I'll consult with my staff of researchers and policy wonks and get back to you.
Or, that's what I would do if I were in Congress, with this being my full time job and my having all the staff I need.

If the best a message board poster can do is point out problems, so be it. Those in Congress should be able to at least spot the same problems, no?
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Rapier09 Donating Member (209 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-19-10 09:15 AM
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9. Issue needs to be addressed
Edited on Fri Mar-19-10 09:23 AM by Rapier09
The US economy isn't about to demand more guest workers anytime soon.

However the illegals can't just be mass deported because they aren't needed.Too many humanitarian issues.

God knows plenty don't belong here but a lot of them have too much invested here to go back.
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Romulox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-19-10 10:51 AM
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11. I don't buy this--they really think they're going to get amnesty, H1B increases AND guest workers
in the worst economic climate in 70 years? I don't believe that they believe they can pass this.
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mbperrin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-19-10 11:32 AM
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12. From the OP: In the editorial, Graham and Schumer shied away from details, and did not say when they
would produce a bill.

Bout says it all. Hard to argue details when there are none. There's not even a bill. BTW, don't let the "hot button" issues of illegal immigration, national ID and all distract you from the HCR debate on this Friday before the vote. Right?
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jimjobs Donating Member (1 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-29-10 02:12 PM
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15. Schumer is PRO H1B
Edited on Mon Mar-29-10 02:17 PM by jimjobs

Anything from Schumer will not be good for the American tech worker.
He is pushing to remove restrictions by Senators Grassley and Sanders that would make TARP recipients hire American citizens over H1b's.

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Subject: Senate ties TARP aid to H-1B restrictions

To: H-1B/L-1/offshoring e-newsletter

The Senate voted today to place restrictions on the hiring of H-1Bs by
banks that accept government bailout money. The legislation, which was
proposed by Senators Grassley and Sanders as an amendment to the
economic stimulus bill, would in its original form have imposed a flat
ban on hiring of H-1Bs by the TARP-aided banks. It was weakened
quite a bit (details below), and of course may not survive conference
committee etc., but it certainly sends a strong message.

The move was sparked by an AP story that ran in many major newspapers,
investigating usage of H-1Bs by banks that had accepted bailout funds.
The AP places restrictions on redistribution of its articles, so I will
not enclose it here, but you can read it at, for instance,

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090201/ap_on_bi_ge/bailout_foreign_workers

One of the good things about that article was that it noted that paying
H-1Bs below-market rates can be done perfectly legally. Here is an
excerpt from the article:

* Foreigners are attractive hires because companies have found ways to pay
* them less than American workers.

* Companies are required to pay foreign workers a prevailing wage based on
* the job's description. But they can use the lower end of government wage
* scales even for highly skilled workers; hire younger foreigners with
* lower salary demands; and hire foreigners with higher levels of
* education or advanced degrees for jobs for which similarly educated
* American workers would be considered overqualified.

* "The system provides you perfectly legal mechanisms to underpay the
* workers," said John Miano of Summit, N.J., a lawyer who has analyzed the
* wage data and started the Programmers Guild, an advocacy group that
* opposes the H-1B system.

I've explained elsewhere the details of these and other loopholes.

Needless to say, the industry lobbyists were quick to react. Note that
the vanguard of the industry lobbyists includes the American Immigration
Lawyers Association (AILA), who have obvious vested interests. Indeed,
according to the immigration lawyers newsletter Immigration Daily, for
many law firms H-1B and employment-based (EB) green cards form the
lion's share of their business. I'm enclosing below the press release
from the AILA.

As always, the AILA press release cites work by the National Foundation
for Public Policy, a one-man organization run by Stuart Anderson, who is
hardly an unbiased researcher. He's been making a living writing
articles supporting the H-1B program since the mid-1990s, and was the
author of the lengthy 1997 report by the industry lobbying group
Information Technology of America, which formed the basis for the
doubling of the H-1B cap enacted by Congress in late 1998. Anderson
later worked as a Senate staffer, and was the author of that 1998
legislation, and then of a second act increasing the cap in 2000.
Though he does not say who his present employer (funder) is, the fact
that the lobbyists who quote him the most are immigration attorneys
would seem to point to the American Immigration Lawyers Association or
their American Immigration Law Foundation as his main funder.

Anderson's job creation claim comes from a blatant statistical reasoning
error. See http://heather.cs.ucdavis.edu/Archive/NFAP2.txt for details.

The industry lobbyists love to portray any restriction on H-1B as
blocking industry's ability to hire "the best and the brightest" from
around the world. I strongly support bringing in outstanding talent,
and have personally acted on that conviction in a number of ways,
but as I have shown in my writings, the fact is that only a tiny
percentage of H-1Bs are of that caliber. And if a bank does find
someone of outstanding talent, it can hire the person under the O-1
visa program.

Now, what effect would the measure have if it survives the political
process? I have not seen the exact text yet, but according to press
reports the provision would extend to all TARP-aided banks the rules now
in force for H-1B-dependent employers. The two main features of those
rules are (a) that the employer must recruit Americans for a position
before filling it with an H-1B and (b) employers may not hire H-1Bs
during the period of 90 days before and 90 days after a layoff.

Restriction (a) is not quite as strong as it sounds. A similar
provision in EB green card law is full of loopholes, as the infamous
YouTube videos demonstrated so dramatically; see

http://heather.cs.ucdavis.edu/Archive/YouTubeVideosH1B.txt

There is a little-known technical difference between the American
recruitment requirements in H-1B-dependent and EB law, with the
H-1B-dependent version being somewhat more effective.

Also, there is an exemption in the H-1B dependent rules for workers who
earn at least $60,000 or have a Master's degree.

All in all, the numerical impact of the Sanders/Grassley amendment would
probably be limited. But it is certainly worthwhile.

The provisions here were part of the Durbin/Grassley bill in the last
Congress. In addition, that bill addressed the real heart of the
problems with H-1B and EB green cards, by setting a definition of
prevailing wage that would reflect reality. Due to these
provisions--U.S. recruitment, anti-layoff and prevailing wage--I
strongly endorsed the bill. (It also had some other parts that I felt
were not important.)

A Computerworld article on today's vote is enclosed below, in addition
to the AILA press release. For the AP story on the vote, see
www.forbes.com/feeds/ap/2009/02/06/ap6020618.html

Norm

www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&taxonomyName=knowledge_center&articleId=9127552&taxonomyId=1&intsrc=kc_top



Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/schumer-vows-to-overturn-ban-on-tarp-takers-hiring-h-1b-workers-2009-2#ixzz0jaqHKSDE
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