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pampango Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-19-10 07:32 AM
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Castro supporters heckle 'Ladies in White' protesters
Source: BBC

Hundreds of Cuban government supporters have heckled members of the "Ladies in White" rights group marching in protest through the streets of Havana. The women - wives and mothers of jailed dissidents - are staging a week of protests on the anniversary of Fidel Castro's 2003 Black Spring crackdown.

They are demanding the release of some 50 government critics still being held. On Wednesday, police briefly arrested some of the women, known as the "Damas de Blanco" because they dress in white. Those marching on Thursday, the fourth day of protests, included the mother of Orlando Zapata, who died last month after an 85-day prison hunger strike.

"We repudiate them because they are against the revolution and we will defend this revolution until the end," said Yamile Gonzalez, one of the pro-government supporters.

Amnesty International has urged Havana to ensure the safety of the women, saying some alleged they were beaten by police following Wednesday's arrests.

Cuba has lashed out at the criticism, saying the dissidents are common criminals who are paid by the US to destabilise the government.

Read more: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8575627.stm
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naaman fletcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-19-10 08:02 AM
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1. They must be paid fascists
As there are no political prisoners in Cuba,and Castro's supporters would never do such a thing unless they were paid fascist agitators.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-19-10 08:42 PM
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24. The actual Ladies in White in Argentina have said they have no ties
with them in any way. :)
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-19-10 08:09 AM
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2. If the wives of prisoners in the US did that they'd be arrested.

We have tons of people in jail for no reason.
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protocol rv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-19-10 08:18 AM
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3. Seems unlikely
Also, in the US there are no political prisoners. Are you really defending that terrible, rotten dictatorship the Castros run in Cuba?
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rfranklin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-19-10 08:33 AM
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4. No, our political prisoners are down in a Cuban jail as well...
It's called Guantanamo, in case you have forgotten.
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crazyjoe Donating Member (921 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-19-10 11:43 AM
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11. Huh?
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proteus_lives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-19-10 01:51 PM
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13. What a charming deflection.
I know, you can't take criticism of the regime or of Dear Leader but try to keep an open mind.
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h9socialist Donating Member (584 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-19-10 08:51 AM
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5. Viva Fidel! Viva Raul! VIVA CHE!!!!!
I refuse to cry for a bunch of Batistianos!
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NYC Democrat Donating Member (234 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-19-10 09:05 AM
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6. Che killed a lot of people in those secret prison always remember that.
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-19-10 11:37 AM
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10. unlike the Shah, Papa & Baby Doc, the Saudi royal family, Samoza, and all the kleptocrat dictators
we've supported over the years?

Our the mob and plantation owners that ran Cuba before Castro? When it comes to foreign policy, we are hardly the ones to accuse others.

Castro's real ''crime'' is not being obedient to the Wall Street economic elite. Everything else is meaningless in foreign policy. Fuck, we're aligned with a dictator in Uzbekistan who BOILS political opponents ALIVE then sends their bodies back to their mothers.
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h9socialist Donating Member (584 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-19-10 02:38 PM
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15. Right on!
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h9socialist Donating Member (584 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-19-10 02:35 PM
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14. Thank you Felix Rodriguez!
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-19-10 08:53 PM
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26. lol
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Rebubula Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-19-10 09:12 AM
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7. LOLZ
Yeah...keep drinking the Che Kool-Aid.....

Che was a murderous asshole that killed many innocent people in his quest. The ends do not always justify the means...
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provis99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-19-10 08:32 PM
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23. every President since Lincoln has also been a murderous asshole.
So what's your point?
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proteus_lives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-19-10 01:50 PM
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12. Hilarious.
How's the revolution going, comrade?

:rofl:
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h9socialist Donating Member (584 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-19-10 02:44 PM
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16. Not Good Enough, Companero!
Still trying to take Santa Clara!
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proteus_lives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-19-10 02:49 PM
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18. Try to tone down the mass-executions.
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sufrommich Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-19-10 02:51 PM
Response to Reply #5
19. You sound just like the right imagines a
liberal would sound. Imagine that.
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Rapier09 Donating Member (209 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-19-10 09:49 AM
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8. Goddamn all dictatorships
Whether it is those on the left or the right.

Oh and if things go to hell in Cuba,the "government supporters" will be the first over to Florida.
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-19-10 11:33 AM
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9. always with the colors....the orange revolution, the green revolution...
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-19-10 08:46 PM
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25. Iirc, they ripped off the name from an alternate name for
Edited on Fri Mar-19-10 08:48 PM by EFerrari
the Mothers of the Plaza de Mayo in Argentina. Those real LiW deny they have any connection with them whatsoever. But, it's been several years since I read about that.

This is the entry for the Mothers of the Plaza de Mayo:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mothers_of_the_Plaza_de_Mayo

Afaik, this is a typical RW rip off of an icon to establish credibility -- like Freedom Works, etc.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-19-10 08:57 PM
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27. Well, I did find a fun blog entry from Machetera about one of most (in)famous
Cuban "Ladies", complete with hotlinks to sources.

Enjoy.

lol

Dialing for dollars in Cuba
May 20, 2008

U.S. Ambassador to Cuba, Michael Parmly, impersonates a Cuban “Lady in White” impersonating an Argentine “Mother of the Plaza de Mayo”
By: Machetera

There are so many things wrong with this story that it would be hard to know where to begin, so let’s start with Tuesday’s headline in El Nuevo Herald, the Spanish language fiefdom of the Miami Herald, which says “Dissident Cuban Woman Says Government Hounds but Doesn’t Allow a Defense.”

http://machetera.wordpress.com/2008/05/20/dialing-for-dollars-in-cuba/
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-20-10 05:32 AM
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32. Just saw your post as I'm leaving. Can't wait to check it out later today. Thank you. n/t
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Ter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-19-10 02:49 PM
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17. Castro has supporters?
Why?
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IDFbunny Donating Member (530 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-19-10 04:32 PM
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20. Single payer healthcare?
Edited on Fri Mar-19-10 04:33 PM by IDFbunny
After that nothing else matters.
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-19-10 07:53 PM
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22. Good policies.
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IDFbunny Donating Member (530 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-20-10 03:53 PM
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36. Like shooting defectors on sight?
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-20-10 06:57 PM
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38. How about a link for that pearl of brilliance?
Maybe you also can explain why the same people whom idiots babble get "shot at" also go back to Cuba any chance they can to visit, or vacation.

"Shooting defectors on sight." Jesus H. Christ. Takes all kinds.
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IDFbunny Donating Member (530 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-20-10 11:34 PM
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40. Are you actually saying people are free to leave?
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-21-10 03:59 AM
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41. They can and do leave by normal methods. You can't seriously think normal people would buy
that Cold War drivel, surely. Anyone who has been awake, and conscious is very likely aware that Cubans do leave their country frequently. I have posted articles here over a well known situation dominating the news in Miami constantly a couple of years ago when a Cuban woman who came to the States, arriving at the Miami International Airport with her husband learned he was leaving her the moment they got off the plane, leaving her with her son and daughter.

She worked in Miami for a time, then became unhappy because she was having a hard time supporting herself and children, and started talking about returning. Miami Cubans with whom she worked started harrassing her when she talked about wanting to go home. It escalated, and then they contacted the government and somehow managed to get her welfare, food stamps, US taxpayer-financed Section 8 housing terminated, leaving her absolutely helpless, and she moved to Texas where she tried to kill herself.

Her daughter called the cops who came and removed the children from her home, sent her to a hospital, returned the children to Miami where a prominant Miami figure, Joe Cubas and his wife started trying to adopt the daughter.

When the mother was released from the hospital she told authorities she wanted her daughter to return to Cuba to live with the child's biological father. He came to the US to get the daughter, and was forced to wait for ages while the government in Miami held trials, dragging out the case, forcing the father to remain a long time. The Cuban community tried to bribe
him to move to Miami (just as they did with Juan Miguel Gonzalez, father of the child Elian Gonzalez), offering him a very large amount of money, and he declined, just as Juan Miguel did.

The court finally decided to allow the father to take the girl some of the time until he became reacquainted with her, for the next year, living still in Miami, then to take her to back to Cuba, while leaving allowance for her to also spend time occassionally with the Cubases.

http://cache.daylife.com.nyud.net:8090/imageserve/0bn9cjT1Zpere/610x.jpg

AP Photo 30 months ago

Joe Cubas, left, and Rafael Izquierdo greet each other before entering a court room at the Dade County Courthouse Thursday, Sept. 27, 2007 in Miami. Izquierdo, the father of a 5-year-old Cuban girl at the center of an international custody dispute, whose current foster father is Cubas, should get her back, because he did not abandon or neglect the child, a judge ruled Thursday.
~~~~~~~

(The child's father is the younger man, Cubas is a man who is prominent, popular in Miami, having chased Cuban athletes down around the world, and made contracts with them, bringing them to the US to play baseball here. He was sued by these same athletes when they discovered he was stealing a lot of their money from them. He was banned from associating himself with baseball professionally forever after that, and started selling real estate in Miami. He is popular in Miami for spiriting the athletes away from their country to make a big score politically for the "exiles.")

~~~~~~~

People in Miami are very well aware of the conditions surrounding this case, if they were conscious during the time of the trial.

Here are links which discuss the Brothers to the Rescue airplane shot down after invading Cuban airspace, which is your first link. They will be useful for people who are not aware of the elements of this pathetic story:
Nov 29, 2009 7:05 pm US/Eastern I-Team: Docs Show Cuban Shoot Down Was Expected

MIAMI (CBS4) ―
For more than a decade the mystery surrounding the secrets behind the shootdown of two Brothers to the Rescue airplanes by Cuban military jets has remained elusive. To find answers to that mystery, the CBS4 I-Team spent a year digging through once-top secret documents about the shoot down.

In those documents as well as interviews with nearly one dozen major players in the event, the I-Team discovered details that raise questions about whether the U.S. government might have prevented it had someone in Washington taken more decisive action.

The I-Team's investigation raises serious questions about the White House's role in the shootdown.

~snip~
Richard Nuccio served as the top advisor on Cuba to President Bill Clinton. Nuccio now serves as Director of the Civitas International Program at the Center for Civic Education in Calabasas, California.

Nuccio says after the "wet foot/dry foot" policy was put in place, the Brothers to the Rescue actions became more provocative and more political.

"They (Brothers to the Rescue) started to redefine their mission as one of not helping innocent people at risks for their lives but to carry out a political agenda of harassing and threatening the Cuban government by over flights, dropping leaflets (from the air into Cuba)," Richard Nuccio told the I-Team.

That created tensions which were discussed in secret talks and cables between Havana and Washington in 1994, 1995 and 1996.

~snip~
The I-Team has discovered in the once secret documents further proof that shows clear warnings of the shootdown and suggests it might have been prevented by the US government.

For nearly a year, the I-Team dug through thousands of e-mails, diplomatic memos, letters and reports. The I-Team read through page after page of documents which filled two large boxes, some once classified, but declassified at our request, show that for a year and a half before the shootdown, there were urgent secret talks between the Clinton administration and officials in Havana. They were talking about the Brothers to the Rescue flights.

"There had been secret negotiations a year prior to the time I became special advisor for Cuba," said Nuccio.

"It was a slow motion crisis," said Dr. Brian Latell.

University of Miami Professor Dr. Brian Latell is one of the leading American authorities on US Cuba relations and Cuban history.

"The Brothers to the Rescue missions that were flying toward Cuba and around Cuba repeatedly, those missions were exacerbating the situation," said Dr. Latell.

"The bilateral situation was that the Cuban government had been protesting those intrusions, quite often in diplomatic sessions," said Dr. Latell.

"They would call in our diplomats into session over there in Havana; they would make a protest, in diplomatic language. They were polite, direct, firm, not angry or confrontational but the message was clear-these flights are interfering with Cuban air space," said Dr. Latell.

At the I-Team's request Dr. Latell reviewed the entire two boxes of government documents, including the once classified documents, relating to the shootdown.

"Not all the flights did (violate the airspace), Dr. Latell said. "Not all the flights, but many did and we knew that in the US. There were American diplomats, I've heard, in Havana who actually during the American diplomatic mission, they were able on different occasions where they could hear the Brothers to the Rescue there (in Havana)," said Dr. Latell.

"They (the US diplomats in Havana) would hear the Brothers to the Rescue planes, they would look up and there they (the planes) were. It was visible and audible from the ground even from the American diplomatic mission," said Dr. Latell.

...
"The Cuban government had been protesting the flights for at least 17 to 18 months prior to the shootdown," said Dr. Latell.

One document from an International Manager to her superiors at the FAA dated January 22, 1996, stands out. The memo was from Cecilia Capestany, an International Affairs analysis at the FAA, to her superior at the FAA's Miami flight standards district office, Michael C. Thomas. Thomas then forwarded the memo to Charles J Smith, Jr. at the FAA.

The document reads in part. "Worst case scenario is that one of these days the Cubans will shoot down one of these planes and the FAA better have all its ducks in a row."

~snip~
Richard Nuccio says the Clinton Administration did try to informally warn the Brothers to the Rescue leaders numerous times months before the shootdown but politics got in the way.

"We repeatedly warned brothers to the rescue. To the point that Brothers to the Rescue complained to their constituents members of congress, the Cuban-Americans, that we were persecuting them," Richard Nuccio said.

The government documents reviewed by the I-Team also show that for nearly a year before the shootdown, the Federal Aviation Administration tried to take away Jose Basulto's pilot's license because he had flown over Cuba.

One FAA memo reads quote "this latest over flight can only be seen as further taunting of the Cuban Government. State is increasingly concerned about Cuban reactions..."

You can read a copy of that FAA memo by clicking here.

The I-Team showed the memo to Jose Basulto who insisted he'd never seen it until we showed it to him.

But for whatever reason, the FAA didn't act until it was too late.

"We suspended Basulto's pilot's license the day the shootdown occurred. Basulto was in the cockpit of an airplane with a suspended license," said Richard Nuccio.

http://cbs4.com/iteam/brothers.rescue.cuba.2.1337438.html

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Keeping things in perspective: Cuba and the question of
international terrorism

“For almost 40 years, we have isolated Cuba on the assumption that the tiny island is a center of terrorism in
the hemisphere, and year after year we gain new evidence that it is the U.S. that has terrorized Cuba and not
the other way around.”
—Robert Scheer, The Los Angeles Times, July 14, 19981

By Anya K. Landau and Wayne S. Smith
November 20, 2001
Page 10:

The Downing of the Brothers to the Rescue Planes
There are those in Miami, and a few of their
allies in the U.S. Congress, who maintain that the
shootdown of the two Brothers to the Rescue planes
in the straits of Florida in February of 1996 was an
act of terrorism on the part of the Cuban government
which constitutes sufficient grounds for labeling
Cuba a terrorist state.
The shootdown was reprehensible. The Cuban
government could have—and ought to have—
warned the planes off or forced them down. It might
then have taken the whole issue to the UN Security
Council, pointing out that the failure of the U.S.
government to halt these illegal
flights was creating a dangerous
situation in the Straits of Florida
and asking the Security Council
to take cognizance. It might then
have avoided taking human lives
and have had world public
opinion on its side.
But if we are to call the
shootdown a terrorist act, this
would imply it took place without provocation or
warning. But the fact is that Brothers to the Rescue
planes had been penetrating Cuban airspace and
overflying the island itself for months; the FAA
began investigating Jose Basulto’s group in August
of 1995.107 From July 7 to October 13, 1995 alone,
the FAA and the State Department warned Brothers
to the Rescue at least seven times in public and
private statetements that Cuba would defend its
boundaries against any intruders.108 Cuba, in
response to the Brothers’ continuing incursions into
its airspace, had repeatedly warned that, “Any boats
from abroad and any aircraft can be downed.”109
On two separate occasions in January of 1996,
Brothers to the Rescue overflew Havana at low
altitude dropping leaflets. It was at that point that the
Cuban government lost patience and issued a
warning that the next time these planes came into
Cuban airspace they would be shot down. These
warnings were repeated several times publicly and in
private conversations with U.S. officials.110
In a meeting with Fidel Castro that same month,
Hill staffers who were part of a CIP delegation to
Cuba asked about the overflights. When they
suggested that the offending planes were unarmed,
Castro insisted that they could not be certain the
planes were unarmed. Planes piloted by exiles from
Miami had dropped incendiary devices and
explosives over Cuban territory in past years, and
they might do so again. Castro emphasized that the
first duty of any government was to defend the
national territory and that Cuba would defend its
own. Cuba had warned the Brothers to the Rescue
planes to stay away. If they did not, Castro
maintained, Cuba would act accordingly.111
As Cuba historian Jane Franklin has put it,
“Nobody from a foreign country would dare fly into
U.S. airspace to drop leaflets over Washington.
NORAD (North American Aerospace Defense)
would be ready for a shootdown.”112
FAA official Charles H. Smith, testified (during
the Miami trial of five Cuban spies who infiltrated
exile organizations—see
intelligence operations
below) that he had
warned Basulto even
before his first leafleting
flight in 1995—seven
months before the
shootdown—that Cuba “might force him to land or
shoot him down.” Basulto’s response to the official
was, “Chuck, you know I always play by the rules,
but you must understand I have a mission in life to
perform.”113
Basulto, a CIA-trained exile, began that mission
by committing acts of sabotage in Cuba in the early
1960’s.The Miami Herald reported in March that
Basulto testified that “he refused to help the U.S.
government track illegal arms shipments to Cuba
because he broadly supports Cuban exile groups
bent on overthrowing Fidel Castro violently.”114 The
Herald noted this contradicted Basulto’s claim that
he follows the teachings of Martin Luther King, Jr.
and Mohandas Gandhi.115
Aviation expert Charles Leonard testified that
Basulto and other Brothers pilots had repeatedly
flown into Cuba airspace to drop anti-government
leaflets. Leonard also acknowledged that Cuba had
repeatedly warned the government of the United
States that planes that continued to undertake
“provocative” flights might be shot down.116 The
U.N.’s International Civil Aviation Organization
records also confirmed that Havana had issued these
warnings. Leonard further acknowledged that the
United States had indeed passed these warnings on
to Basulto.117
An internal FAA communication revealed that
the U.S. State Department had warned that, “it
would not be unlikely that the
attempt an unauthorized flight into Cuban airspace
tomorrow….State has also indicated that the
Government of Cuba would be less likely to show
restraint this
time around.”118
On the morning of the shootdown, the planes
were warned by Havana tower. They were told they
had entered the Cuban defense zone, which had been
activated, and that they should turn back. They
ignored multiple warnings, and Basulto told Cuban
air-traffic control that he had the “right” as a “free
Cuban” to be in the area.119
U.S. radar indicated that only one of the three
planes had entered Cuban airspace at the time of the
shootdown.120 The two
that were brought down
were still over
international waters.
Cuba maintains that all
three were in Cuban
airspace. Interestingly,
Basulto's plane was the only one all sides agree was
in Cuban airspace, yet his was the only one not shot
down.
The Cubans should not have shot the planes
down, but it was not an act of terrorism; rather, the
incident would not have occurred if not for the
incredible imprudence and repeated provocations on
the part of Jose Basulto, who led his pilots toward
the Cuban coast—despite urgent warnings to turn
back.
University of Miami political scientist Max
Castro agreed:
In the months prior to the attack, Brothers to the Rescue leader
Jose Basulto had carried out a series of incursions into Cuban air
space clearly intended to taunt, humiliate, embarrass and
demoralize the regime, especially the military.
what had been an organization engaged in an essentially
humanitarian mission into a political weapon aimed at the
Cuban regime playing with fire -- and with
people's lives.121
According to The Miami Herald, even family
members of the fliers who were killed have blamed
Basulto for the death of their loved ones. "I don't
talk to him,'' Mirta Costa, mother of dead flier Carlos
Costa, said recently.122
"If the Brothers were really saving lives, I would
support that facet," said Maggie Khuly, whose
brother, Armando Alejandre, Jr., was a crewmember
in one of the downed Brothers to the Rescue planes.
"They're really not doing that anymore, and I
certainly do not support their political activities."


More:
http://www.ciponline.org/cuba/ipr/keepingthingsinperspective.pdf
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-21-10 04:18 AM
Response to Reply #40
42. This article might be a good match for your second link, as one example:
Top Cuban baseball player defects to United States
Mon, Jun 9 2008

Sun Jun 8, 2008 3:42pm EDTMIAMI (Reuters) - A top Cuban baseball player has defected to the United States in the latest

Dayan Viciedo, a hard-hitting, 19-year-old third baseman from Cuba's central Villa Clara province, left his homeland late last month and has settled in south Florida, local media said on Sunday.

El Nuevo Herald, the Spanish-language edition of the Miami Herald, was the first to report the defection of Viciedo, who started playing baseball in the Cuban majors when he was just 15.

A report on the newspaper's Web site said Viciedo was considered one of the most well-rounded players ever to emerge from Cuba's national teams.

Viciedo left Cuba on a boat bound for Mexico on May 20 accompanied by his family. Several days later he crossed the border from Mexico and traveled to Miami to reunite with friends and relatives, El Nuevo Herald said.

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSN0843527820080608
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-21-10 04:39 AM
Response to Reply #40
43. Response to your 3rd link, on a man who "escaped" Cuba in the wheel well of an airplane:
Do Jet Stowaways Ever Survive?
The dangers of traveling beneath business class.
By Brendan I. Koerner
Updated Wednesday, Dec. 31, 2003, at 2:07 PM ET

For the second time in a week, police at New York's Knnedy Airport have discovered a body in the wheel well of an arriving jet. What are the hazards of traveling in an airplane's wheel well, and do any of these desperate stowaways ever survive?

The odds of survival, always slim at best, decrease in proportion to the duration and altitude of the flight. Few stowaways are equipped to handle the frigid temperatures, which can dip below minus-50 degrees Fahrenheit on some flights. The bodies of stowaways usually show signs of severe frostbite and the longer the flight, the more likely that the illicit passenger will succumb to the elements.

Others perish due to asphyxiation, as the air at high altitudes lacks sufficient oxygen and the wheel wells are unpressurized. Think of how mountaineers scaling Mount Everest are forced to carry oxygen tanks, and that peak measures shy of 30,000 feet—just below the altitude that many planes reach. The chilliness and the oxygen deprivation become more severe the higher a plane climbs, so stowaways on high-flying transoceanic voyages face the worst odds.

A third danger is the likelihood of tumbling from the wheel well prior to arrival. Landing gear is typically deployed at an altitude of around 1,500 feet, and the stowaways are given little warning. Unless they're holding onto something inside the compartment, a fatal plunge is difficult to avoid. Blackouts caused by oxygen deprivation are common, so many stowaways are likely unconscious at the crucial moment.

Few hopeful refugees attempt wheel-well arrivals every year. In 2000, for example, the FAA counted 13 such stowaways, three of whom survived. In 2001, six tried to enter the United States in such a fashion, with no survivors. In 2002, five perished and one survived. (The wheel-well survival rate since 1947 is 20.3 percent.) The death estimates may be low, as some bodies may have tumbled out into water or remote areas, never to be recovered.

There is, however, the occasional miracle case, none more fantastic than the tale of Fidel Maruhi. The Tahitian native lived through a 7-and-a-half-hour flight from Papeete to Los Angeles. When he was discovered, Maruhi's body temperature was just 79 degrees, about 6 degrees colder than what's usually considered fatal. Repatriated to Tahiti after his feat, Maruhi later said that he remembers nothing of the trip, having blacked out just after takeoff.

Last December, a Cuban refugee named Victor Alvarez Molina made it to Montreal in the wheel well of a DC-10, enduring four hours in temperatures that dropped to minus-40 F. His saving grace was a leak in a compartment pipe, which seeped out warm air. The pipe also provided him a convenient lifeline to hold onto when the landing gear deployed. Unlike Maruhi, Molina was granted refugee status and now hopes to bring his family to Canada. Presumably in more comfortable circumstances.http://www.slate.com/id/2093341/

~~~~~~~~~

Another stowaway discovered just last month:
Body of apparent stowaway falls from Miami-bound plane
February 18, 2010 6:35 p.m. EST

MIAMI, Florida (CNN) -- The body of an apparent stowaway fell from the wheel well of a plane taking off Thursday from the Dominican Republic, a Federal Aviation Administration official said.

The 767 aircraft -- Amerijet flight 840 -- landed about two hours later without incident at Miami International Airport. The flight originated in Santo Domingo.

FAA spokeswoman Kathleen Bergen said the FAA is investigating the incident.

According to its Web site, Amerijet is an international cargo carrier.

The plane was sent to a secure area of Miami International and was being inspected, according to the Miami-Dade Police Department.
http://www.cnn.com/2010/TRAVEL/02/18/florida.stowaway.plane/index.html

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Wikipedia:
~snip~
19 year old Clarence Terhune hid himself onboard the LZ 127 Graf Zeppelin airship in 1928, becoming the first stowaway to fly across the ocean.<2>

On 4 June 1969, Armando Socarras Ramirez and Jorge Perez Blanco climbed into the right landing gear well of an Iberia DC-8, Flight 904 from Havana, Cuba to Madrid, Spain. Socarras survived the flight with severe shock and exposure. Initially it was thought Perez fell from the aircraft during flight, either during a secondary retraction to clear a warning light, or during landing preparation as Socarras indicated he spoke to Perez during some duration of the flight. Later he claimed that Perez attempted to climb into the left well, failed and believes Perez is in a Cuban prison.

On 28 July 1999, Yaguine Koita and Fodé Tounkara were stowaways who froze to death flying from Conakry, Guinea, to Brussels, Belgium. Their bodies were later discovered in the aircraft's wheel bay. The boys were carrying a letter, written in imperfect French, which was widely published in the world media.

On 12 August 2000, Roberto Viza Egües hid himself in an Air France cargo container in Havana, Cuba and arrived in Paris, France the following day suffering from exposure but otherwise in good condition. France eventually denied his application for asylum based on lack of evidence of persecution and deported him back to Cuba.

On 24 December 2000, 16 year-old Maikel Almira and 15 year-old Alberto Rodriguez climbed into the wheel wells of a British Airways 777 in Havana, Cuba. Almira's body was found in a field five miles from Gatwick airport in England. Rodriguez's body fell from the aircraft the following day as it departed for a flight to Cancun, Mexico. Almira had left a note for his mother indicating he was going to the United States, however tragically the departure of a Miami bound flight had been delayed and the flight to Gatwick took over its take off slot.

On June 8, 2005, the remains of a stowaway were found inside the wheel well of a South African Airways aircraft when it landed at John F. Kennedy International Airport, arriving from Johannesburg via Dakar, Senegal.<3>

On January 28, 2007, a 17 year old male from Cape Town, South Africa was found in the wheel well of a British Airways flight in Los Angeles, CA. He died from exposure as a stowaway on a previous flight and the body had not been immediately found. That flight had last been in Cape Town five days earlier, on January 23, 2007.<4>

On July 19, 2007, maintenance workers at San Francisco International Airport found a dead man in the wheel well of a United Airlines Boeing 747 arriving from China after an 11-hour trip <5>.

On October 11, 2007 A man known as Osama R.M. Shublaq was reported to have been a stowaway aboard Singapore Airlines Flight 119. The flight, which took off from Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia at around 10:56 PM, arrived in Singapore.<6>.

On July 3, 2009 The body of a man was found in the undercarriage of a jet traveling from Ghana to Britain. <7>

On August 9, 2009, the body of 19 year old Filipp Vitaliyevich Yurchenko from Petropavlovsk-Kamchatsky was discovered in the landing gear bay of an Airbus A320 aircraft after the flight from Irkutsk to Vladivostok, Russia. According to experts, the man had been dead for at least five days.<8>

On December 26, 2009, Habib (25) from Moradabad in Uttar Pradesh, who was working at Medina airport with a Saudi ground handling company, got into the plane which returned to Jaipur, Rajasthan, India last night from Medina, Saudi Arabia, and hid in the toilet. Habib’s presence came to light after the flight took off from Medina when a passenger went to the toilet. Air India sources said he got into the plane on the plea of cleaning it. During questioning, it was ascertained that it was a case of stow-away and Habib did not intend to harm anybody, but rather, was fleeing Saudi Arabia, where his passport had been confiscated, and forced to work as a bonded labourer. <9>

On February 8, 2010 a body was discovered in the landing gear compartment of the Delta Airlines flight which arrived in Tokyo from New York. A mechanic found the body inside one of the wheel wells of a Boeing aircraft during maintenance. The man, who was of dark complexion and dressed only in blue jeans and a long-sleeved shirt, was carrying no passport or personal belongings, police say. He was possibly a stowaway and probably froze to death, they added.<10>

On February 18, 2010 The body of an apparent stowaway fell from the wheel well of a plane taking off from the Dominican Republic. The 767 aircraft—Amerijet flight 840—landed about two hours later without incident at Miami International Airport. The flight originated in Santo Domingo.<11>
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stowaway

Do you believe all these stowaways from many different countries are "escaping" from their homelands?

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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-21-10 05:03 AM
Response to Reply #40
44. We discussed the floating vehicle fad at DU, as in your 4th link.
Here's a very decent comment from DU member Mika, Post #32.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x346436#347149

~~~
Here's my post to that thread, #30, which is very useful:
In the book written about Cuba by the New York Times reporter, Ann Louise Bardach, Cuba Confidential, on page 18 of the preface, she describes two groups of Cubans who are never particularly known of by Americans outside South Florida:
Anomalies such as the phenomenon of reverse balseros, Cubans who, unable to adapt to the pressures and bustle of entrepreneurial Miami, return to the island, or gusañeros, expatriates who send a portion of their earnings home in exchange for unfettered travel back and forth to Cuba (the term is a curious Cuban hybrid of gusano and compañero, or comrade), are unacknowledged by both sides, as are those who live in semi-exilio, returning home to Cuba for long holidays.
Anyone who knows they come and go always has to wonder what the motivation is when people insist otherwise.
Any look slight D.U. search will provide a lot of information on these topics, which have been covered exhaustively.
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-21-10 09:04 AM
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47. well done Judi (nt)
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-21-10 03:24 PM
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48. Thank YOU for checking the material, fascisthunter. n/t
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DiverDave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-19-10 05:36 PM
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21. Fuck castro, fuck che and but fuck raul
they are murderers and thieves.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-19-10 08:59 PM
Response to Reply #21
28. No kidding, they stole our island!
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proteus_lives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-20-10 01:33 AM
Response to Reply #28
29. Actually they stole it from the Cubans.
Who wanted it back from the previous dictatorship.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-20-10 02:05 AM
Response to Reply #29
30. If Fidel had allowed DC to cannibalize Cuba as we did to Haiti
his birthday would be a national holiday here.
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proteus_lives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-20-10 02:15 AM
Response to Reply #30
31. Maybe he should chose his baseball career over becoming a dictator.
History is full of fascinating what-ifs.
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christx30 Donating Member (774 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-20-10 11:58 AM
Response to Reply #31
33. Yeah...
like what would have happened if Hitler would have gotten accepted into art school?
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-20-10 01:00 PM
Response to Reply #33
35. There is a reason why Cuba is offering aid to Haiti and not
the other way around. What do you think that is?

Hitler. LOL
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-20-10 07:02 PM
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39. Speaking of Haiti, I'd like to mention there are a lot of Hiaitians living in Cuba
who immigrated there, and have been going for decades.

They have their own Haitian radio station, too, and a world famous a capella singing group, Les Descendants, Creole Choir of Cuba. Haitian is the 2nd language group in Cuba.

Cuba is known all over the world for its impressive emergency treatment people. Everywhere but here. Odd, isn't it?
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boppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-21-10 07:57 AM
Response to Reply #30
45. Which Haitian dictator has a national holiday in the US?
My calendar doesn't seem to have one.
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-20-10 12:37 PM
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34. unlike the rich who did worse to people on that island prior to those you abhor
but ya probably like fascists who are down with this bullshit front called capitalism and a free-market.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-20-10 06:51 PM
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37. Far worse, if you include the DEATH SQUADS, and the torture of dissidents,
Edited on Sat Mar-20-10 06:53 PM by Judi Lynn
or suspected disidents in the white tower building which was built with the help of the US CIA, according to former CIA agents.

Masferrer's Tigers, one of the powerful death squads operated by a senator, and publisher, snatched young men and women from the streets, tortured them, sometimes dismembered them and hung their bodies from trees and lampposts to encourage everyone to keep their political comments under their hats.

Masferrer moved to Florida in a rush when the revolution ended and was murdered by a bomb in his car awarded him by a fellow Cuban "exile."

As a group, these people created such a bloodfeast in South Florida among themselves in their struggle for power here that our own F.B.I. named Miami "America's Terror Capital."

It has always seemed a shame South Florida didn't overthrow them there, but instead, MANY Flridians simply moved away.

Cubans had every reason in the world to want to be rid of that filth, and especially the ones who ran the death squads and torture operations. If the revolution claimed their lives, there would be a reason for that.

As already mentioned up thread, those things happen in revolutions against monsters.

Our idiot right-wingers insist on claiming the Cuban revolution killed a lot of "innocent" people. What a steaming, reeking lie. These same fascist loudmouths are the same people who are chewing up the scenery in their bloodlust, howing for the U.S. military to bomb places like Iraq, and turn the homes of innocent people "into a sheet of glass," etc.

We should recognize we'd be truly crazy ourselves if we ever believed any of them would suddenly see the light.

Oh, yeah. I'm sure you know, but it never hurts to reiterate for the benefit of fascist butt-in-skis: the father of the two Congressmen from the Miami area was a minister in Fulgencio Batista's cabinet, and before that, speaker of the House there, and before that, an attorney for United Fruit, which was heavily influenced by our own Allen Dulles, a board member, and the director of our own CIA.

There's nothing good about the US position toward Cuba, for over a hundred years. Stinks.

The loons who rail on about Cuba either know nothing, or they do, and they have deteriorated sensibilities!
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-21-10 09:02 AM
Response to Reply #37
46. That's it Right There... We are Dealing with some very Disturbed People
for those who KNOW, and yet defend these actions by the right are just plain whacko.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-22-10 03:51 AM
Response to Original message
49. The demonstrators were "heckled?" They should thank god they didn't try that here, then.
They'd get their asses handed to them.

Dozens of antiwar protesters injured at Port of Oakland

April 07, 2003| By Joe Garofoli, Rick Delvecchio and George Raine, Chronicle Staff Writers

In one of the fiercest Bay Area demonstrations since the Iraq war began, dozens of anti-war protesters were injured Monday at the Port of Oakland when police fired tear gas and projectiles to break up a crowd that failed to heed warnings to disperse.

The largest of several protests across the region that targeted federal and corporate institutions seen as profiting from the war, the skirmish resulted in the arrests of 31 of about 500 protesters who blocked a port gate for more than an hour -- and prompted two Oakland City Councilwomen to call for an investigation into police behavior.

http://articles.sfgate.com/2003-04-07/news/17488677_1_police-response-protesters-police-arrest

~~~~~

UNITED STATES: Anti-war protesters, unionists injured as cops open fire
16 April 2003
BY BARRY SHEPPARD

OAKLAND, California — Police in full riot gear attacked a peaceful anti-war picket line at the docks here on April 7. The cops shot protesters and wharfies, who were nearby, with 2.5-centimetre diameter wooden dowels that left huge welts on the victims, most of whom were shot in the back as they fled the police attack. These wood bullets could have been lethal.

Police also used rubber bullets, “bean bags” shot from shotguns, stun grenades and tear gas. That the police had orders to inflict bodily harm was indicated by the fact that they opened fire almost immediately after giving an order to disperse, which the protesters were attempting to obey when attacked.

More:
http://www.greenleft.org.au/2003/534/30453

~~~~~

Published on Sunday, August 21, 2005 by the Associated Press
Pittsburgh Police Arrest Five Anti-War Protesters, Two Injured, in March
by Joe Mandak

PITTSBURGH, Pennsylvania - Police charged four people protesting the war in Iraq, two of whom suffered minor injuries from the police response, when 60 people disrupted traffic by marching the wrong way down a busy one-way street toward an Army recruiting station.

The Pittsburgh Organizing Group planned the Saturday morning demonstration. A spokesman for that group, David Meieran, accused police of responding with "inappropriate and excessive force."

Meieran claimed some protesters were pepper sprayed and Tasered; he said a 68-year-old woman who was not resisting was bitten by a police dog.

Police spokeswoman Tammy Ewin initially said no pepper spray was used on protesters, but Sgt. Clint Winkler, a supervisor on duty, told The Associated Press he tried to use pepper spray on one woman who would not leave, but it hit her glasses. She was then subdued with a Taser, Winkler said.

More:
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines05/0821-01.htm

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Antiwar Vets Injured, Arrested
By Alex Kane
From the October 27, 2008 issue

Ten members of Iraq Veterans Against the War (IVAW), a group of military veterans calling for immediate troop withdrawal from Iraq, were arrested outside Hofstra University in Hempstead, New York, Oct. 15 in a protest before the final presidential debate. Nassau County police also apprehended five civilians supporting IVAW’s actions.

“Our goal is to make Iraq and veterans the forefront of the debate,” said former U.S. Army Sergeant Kristofer Goldsmith, an IVAW member who served in Iraq in 2005.

As nearly 400 antiwar demonstrators tried to get close to the Hofstra campus two hours before the debate was to begin, riot police and officers mounted on horseback charged people standing on the sidewalk, too. “The horses were pushing, like really pushing, against and physically touching their bodies,” said Erika Ward, an New York University student and intern at TV/radio news program Democracy Now! “To see people laying on the ground…was crazy. For me, it was really emotional, I saw people crying,” she continued.

One victim was former U.S. Army sergeant Nick Morgan, who served in Iraq from 2004-2005. Witnesses say that a horse stepped on his face, causing him to suffer a fractured cheekbone. A gash was visible on the side of his face, with blood dripping onto the pavement.

Morgan was arrested and only taken to a hospital after fellow IVAW members insisted to the police that he was exhibiting signs of a concussion. At the hospital, according to IVAW member Matthis Chiroux, Morgan was only given Motrin and was then brought to the police station. Chiroux said that members of the Nassau County police department sexually harassed the women who were arrested, including IVAW member Marlisa Grogan. Chiroux also noted that the prison officers mocked the veterans and threatened him with prison rape.

The protest had began slowly hours earlier in the afternoon with about 70 antiwar activists rallying at a parking lot nearby the Hempstead train station.

“We have a blind media (and) deaf candidates, but (IVAW) has a voice that will be heard,” said former U.S. Marine Corps Corporal and IVAW member James Gilligan.

As more activists from the New York City area poured in, the march to the Hofstra campus began with defiant chants of, “Stop the torture, stop the war, this is what we’re fighting for,” and “They’re our brothers, they’re our sisters, we support war resisters!” filling the streets of Hempstead.

More:
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines05/0821-01.htm

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Police use Gestapo like violence on peaceful trade protestors in Miami

Last November, the FTAA held a trade summit in Miami, Florida. Thousands of peaceful protestors, many of which were union workers, were confronted with heavy handed violence by the police.

http://www.ocinsight.com.nyud.net:8090/Articles/arrest.jpg

Police used violence against peaceful protesters in Miami and violated people's Constitutional rights to protest. Police were heavily armed with protective riot gear and armed with tear-gas, pepper-spray, batons, tasers, and guns that fired rubber bullets, pepper pellets, "bean-bags," and other projectiles.

Police assaulted and arrested protesters, usually without cause, at the FTAA protests

http://www.ocinsight.com.nyud.net:8090/Articles/tazered.jpg

Police tasered this man at the entrance to a permitted rally sponsored by CTC, the AFL-CIO, and other groups.
Officers then forced CTC members, Steelworkers, and others to lie face down on the ground at gunpoint

http://www.ocinsight.com.nyud.net:8090/Articles/shooting.jpg

Video taken by independent journalists shows that police began firing rubber bullets and
pepper pellets at protesters without cause outside a large permitted rally on November 20.

http://www.ocinsight.com.nyud.net:8090/Articles/bloodied_protester.jpg

Police shot this woman in the back and head with rubber bullets while
she was attempting to move away from an advancing line of riot police.

http://www.ocinsight.com.nyud.net:8090/Articles/hit_in_face.jpg

Volunteer medics assisted injured
protesters and bystanders in Miami.
http://www.ocinsight.com/Articles/police_used_violence_against_pea.htm

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Published on Monday, April 7, 2003 by the San Jose Mercury News
Police Violence Shocks Activists, Others at Port of Oakland Protest
by Dana Hull

An anti-war demonstration at the Port of Oakland turned violent this morning when Oakland Police opened fire with wooden dowels, ``sting balls,'' concussion grendades, tear gas and other non-lethal weapons when protesters at the gates of two shipping lines refused an order to disperse.

Scores of protesters ran from a line of police or tried to hide behind nearby big rigs. At least a dozen demonstrators and nine longshoremen who were standing nearby were injured.

``Our guys were standing in one area waiting to go to work, and then the police started firing on the longshoremen,'' said Henry Graham, the president of ILWU Local 10. ``Some were hit in the chest with rubber bullets, and seven of our guys went to the hospital. I don't want to imply that the police deliberately did this, but it doesn't make sense.''

There have been so many anti-war demonstrations in the Bay Area in recent months that they have almost become routine, and most have been peaceful. Monday's events mark the first time that local police have used projectiles to disperse crowds, and many demonstrators said they were stunned that the projectiles were fired at such close range.

http://www.commondreams.org.nyud.net:8090/headlines03/images/0407-05.jpg

A protestor, who refused to give her name, bears the wounds after she says was hit by Oakland police
weapon during a anti-war protest in Oakland, Calif., Monday, April 7, 2003 outside the port area.
(AP Photo/Paul Sakuma)

http://www.commondreams.org.nyud.net:8090/headlines03/images/0407-08.jpg

Berkeley resident Clay Hinson (R), who was shot once in the chest and twice in the back during an
anti-war protest, shows his wounds to an Oakland Police sergeant (L) who takes his statement at the
West Oakland train station, April 7, 2003. Oakland police fired rubber bullets and wooden pellets
on Monday to disperse hundreds of anti-war protesters in what was believed to be their first such
use against U.S. protesters since the American-led war on Iraq began.
More:
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/0407-07.htm

ETC.
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-22-10 05:45 AM
Response to Reply #49
50. LOL, the "dissidents" in jail for 20+ years or 1/4th their life were mere protestors.
That's what's hilarious about your blinded post.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-22-10 01:41 PM
Response to Reply #50
51. In jail because they were "mere protestors?"You are missing the research you should have undertaken.
Edited on Mon Mar-22-10 02:04 PM by Judi Lynn
No time like the present to invest as much of your own concern and energy just the way the people who know about the subject must, and DO.

You've got a whole lot of work ahead of you before you're able to discuss the subject with any clarity at all.

Until then, you're babbling pure gibberish passed around by idiots who don't care enough to do the work.
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