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underpants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 06:04 PM Original message |
Ariz House: Check Obama's Citizenship (must show birth certificate to be on the ballot) |
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WeDidIt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 06:13 PM Response to Original message |
1. Not much of a deal |
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liberation (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 06:19 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. It is a big deal because of its exceptionalism... |
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underpants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 06:49 PM Response to Reply #2 |
10. Hey! we aren't supposed to talk about that |
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Flying Dream Blues (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 09:22 PM Response to Reply #10 |
29. Absolutely, just like going after Kerry's war service was to |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 02:17 AM Response to Reply #29 |
102. He was AWOL from the Texas Air Nat'l Guard, which almost never sees action, not missing in ACTION. |
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KansDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 03:45 PM Response to Reply #102 |
238. It was during wartime... |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 02:41 AM Response to Reply #10 |
107. Please see Reply 106. Congress also voted that McCain is a citizen. However, |
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Craftsman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 10:42 PM Response to Reply #2 |
53. McCain was born in a US military hospital |
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liberation (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 02:25 AM Response to Reply #53 |
103. US Military installations overseas are not technically US Soil |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 02:39 AM Response to Reply #103 |
106. Well, we don't know exactly what "natural born" citizen meant to the Framers. |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 07:05 AM Response to Reply #106 |
158. We KNOW it didn't include Negroes, though |
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efhmc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 09:09 AM Response to Reply #158 |
191. Or people without penises. |
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cui bono (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 11:00 AM Response to Reply #191 |
214. People Without Penises UNITE!!! |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 11:28 AM Response to Reply #214 |
219. delete |
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DissedByBush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 07:39 AM Response to Reply #106 |
167. Yes we do |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 07:49 AM Response to Reply #167 |
174. There was never a "two citizen parent" requirement |
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Moonwalk (437 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 10:46 AM Response to Reply #174 |
212. Um, no our system of government has not "always" rejected concepts of lineal status.... |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 11:15 AM Response to Reply #212 |
216. About the only thing it affected |
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Moonwalk (437 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 01:24 PM Response to Reply #216 |
233. Yes, they could own property--but my point was.... |
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DissedByBush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 08:07 PM Response to Reply #174 |
250. Read here |
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peace13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 08:47 AM Response to Reply #106 |
188. I guess baby mommy could be serving as well? n/t |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 02:28 AM Response to Reply #53 |
104. Yes, but that may be different from "natural born citizen," which is the Constitutional requirement |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 06:59 AM Response to Reply #104 |
155. No |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 03:38 AM Response to Reply #53 |
114. Sorry, my bad. I was wrong about Hamilton, but it's too late to edit my other post. |
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dorkulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 05:30 AM Response to Reply #114 |
142. So, you need to be a citizen, be 35, and to have hung around the US for 14 years. |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 07:08 AM Response to Reply #142 |
159. Keep reading... |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 07:41 AM Response to Reply #53 |
170. No, he was born in the Canal Zone and cannot be a citizen unless |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 07:56 AM Response to Reply #170 |
177. Obama's birth certificate was produced in response to rumors about his name |
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naaman fletcher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 08:42 AM Response to Reply #53 |
186. acutally he lied about that. |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 11:18 AM Response to Reply #186 |
217. The 1941 hospital replaced an earlier, smaller facility |
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newspeak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 11:43 AM Response to Reply #53 |
221. I thought the hospital on the military base |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 02:15 AM Response to Reply #2 |
101. McCain is running for Senate, not President. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 09:23 AM Response to Reply #2 |
193. Deleted message |
drm604 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 10:02 AM Response to Reply #193 |
200. The records were released quite a while ago. |
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newspeak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 11:51 AM Response to Reply #193 |
224. yes, but officials in Arizona are the ones considering if it's valid |
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Arkana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 12:57 PM Response to Reply #193 |
230. 1) He did release his records, where were you? |
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Xithras (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 01:14 PM Response to Reply #193 |
232. The funny thing is, he has more of a claim to British than Kenyan citizenship. |
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roguevalley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 07:36 PM Response to Reply #1 |
17. a state cannot impose obstructions on the federal government. boycott arizona. |
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PSzymeczek (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 09:45 PM Response to Reply #17 |
39. Raul Grijalva is not a state senator. |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 02:50 AM Response to Reply #39 |
109. Grijalva is indeed a U.S. Rep, but what does he have to do with this thread? |
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newspeak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 11:47 AM Response to Reply #39 |
222. Grijalva has mentioned boycotting his state |
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Craftsman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 10:43 PM Response to Reply #17 |
54. The US Supreme court has said the statehave the right to run their |
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Lasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 01:46 AM Response to Reply #54 |
95. Except when George W Bush needs more electoral votes. |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 03:29 AM Response to Reply #95 |
113. Gee, and here I thought Bush v. Gore upheld Florida's decision about the election. |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 06:55 AM Response to Reply #113 |
153. No it didn't |
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24601 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 04:41 PM Response to Reply #153 |
243. Just remember though that the vote was 7-2 (including Justice |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 10:40 AM Response to Reply #95 |
207. And, they also conveniently ruled that what they established as precedent ... |
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Lasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 01:30 PM Response to Reply #207 |
234. That was a particularly infuriating facet of the junta's coup. |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 02:47 AM Response to Reply #54 |
108. If you are referring to Bush v. Gore, that is an entirely different issue. |
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ArcticFox (654 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 06:44 PM Response to Reply #54 |
245. Maybe, but |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 02:31 AM Response to Reply #17 |
105. By "boycott Arizona," you mean I should continue not going there? |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 09:36 PM Response to Reply #1 |
36. Deleted message |
pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 10:51 PM Response to Reply #1 |
56. Exactly. And all the birthers will be able to direct their paranoia |
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happygoluckytoyou (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 01:54 AM Response to Reply #56 |
96. ok.... i see a HAWAII boycott of ARIZONA coming up here.... |
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Blue_Tires (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 12:51 AM Response to Reply #1 |
89. lol...you ought to e-mail that to those nutbars just to see the response |
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Hekate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 02:02 AM Response to Reply #1 |
98. The birth cert has been out there forever, and nothing will satisfy these insane haters. |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 03:21 AM Response to Reply #98 |
111. If Obama were a REPUBLICAN white guy named Bill Jones, this insanity would not exist.. |
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Enthusiast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 06:59 AM Response to Reply #98 |
156. You are so right! nt |
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vanbean (957 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 09:41 AM Response to Reply #98 |
197. Great post! |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 10:29 AM Response to Reply #98 |
204. Um ... those 1961 newspaper announcements were planted by Malia's grandson |
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NewJeffCT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 10:40 AM Response to Reply #204 |
208. Ha - I knew it! |
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Blue_Tires (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 01:04 PM Response to Reply #204 |
231. Obama is actually the Cybernetic Ghost of Christmas Past from the Future |
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Proud Liberal Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 10:42 AM Response to Reply #98 |
210. Great post! |
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chelsea0011 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 06:57 AM Response to Reply #1 |
154. The reality for the birthers is that as soon as the President has to physically produce |
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peace frog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 09:48 AM Response to Reply #1 |
199. NO DEAL |
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AlbertCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 10:45 AM Response to Reply #1 |
211. Besides.... |
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Lagomorph (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 04:46 PM Response to Reply #1 |
253. That might work in court... |
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Me. (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 06:20 PM Response to Original message |
3. States Can't Make Laws Governing Federal Elections |
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vduhr (481 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 08:05 PM Response to Reply #3 |
21. That was my thought.... |
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Beartracks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 11:12 PM Response to Reply #21 |
62. Sure, why not? |
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howmad1 (959 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 11:53 PM Response to Reply #21 |
73. What is going on in Arizona: |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 04:03 AM Response to Reply #21 |
119. Please see Reply 112 and Article II, Section 1 of the Constituion of the United States. |
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Wizard777 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 05:01 AM Response to Reply #21 |
132. My thought as well. They are imposing conditions that aren't in the constitution. |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 07:12 AM Response to Reply #132 |
161. What about the filing fee? What about the number of signatures? |
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unpossibles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 08:45 AM Response to Reply #21 |
187. well, when you consider all of the real-world examples of what they do when in office |
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Sgent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 09:00 PM Response to Reply #3 |
25. Well... not quite |
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The Hitman (477 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 11:42 PM Response to Reply #25 |
67. False |
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Sgent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 11:46 PM Response to Reply #67 |
69. That's true for congressional races |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 04:08 AM Response to Reply #67 |
120. That is a different issue from the one described in the first sentence of Reply 25. |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 09:36 PM Response to Reply #3 |
35. Please read the Constitution |
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marybourg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 10:30 PM Response to Reply #35 |
52. The Constitution sets out the requirements for President. Native birth |
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Me. (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 10:55 PM Response to Reply #52 |
57. Thank You |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 11:27 PM Response to Reply #57 |
65. Another vote for Bush v Gore |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 04:18 AM Response to Reply #57 |
121. Please see Reply #118. |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 11:25 PM Response to Reply #52 |
64. Supremacy applies to things assigned to the federal goverment |
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rpannier (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 11:46 PM Response to Reply #64 |
70. But that law is NOT absolute |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 12:14 AM Response to Reply #70 |
77. Yes, that's what I said |
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rpannier (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 04:41 AM Response to Reply #77 |
126. My apologies |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 05:11 AM Response to Reply #126 |
135. Respect. So few message board posters apologize. I give you props. |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 06:49 AM Response to Reply #126 |
150. I get fired up, and didn't mean to come off snarky /nt |
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rpannier (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 06:53 AM Response to Reply #150 |
152. You didn't come off that way in the least |
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marybourg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 01:15 AM Response to Reply #64 |
93. They apparently don't want the "new spiffy" one. They want the |
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zbdent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 04:59 AM Response to Reply #93 |
130. Nobody carries around their "original" birth certificate, I believe ... |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 06:48 AM Response to Reply #130 |
149. Most state don't even issue certified copies anymore |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 06:46 AM Response to Reply #93 |
148. The new spiffy one IS an original |
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zbdent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 07:04 AM Response to Reply #148 |
157. the real irony is that they were already presented with the real thing, and they refused to believe |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 07:16 AM Response to Reply #157 |
163. Correct |
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RobinA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 10:56 AM Response to Reply #93 |
213. Funny, Because |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 01:50 PM Response to Reply #213 |
235. That is correct |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 04:01 AM Response to Reply #52 |
118. "native birth" is not the language the COTUS uses. "Natural born citizen" is. |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 06:41 AM Response to Reply #118 |
147. The 14th Amendment Is Pretty Clear |
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backtomn (424 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 09:54 PM Response to Reply #3 |
42. The AZ legislature is wasting time and money, but....... |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 12:01 AM Response to Reply #3 |
76. I've sopent my entire voting life in this politcal cesspool--you have NOOOO idea. nt |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 03:24 AM Response to Reply #3 |
112. Anything you can cite to support that statement? |
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mfcorey1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 04:19 AM Response to Reply #3 |
122. This is a sad day in America |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 04:33 AM Response to Reply #122 |
123. I have no doubt that President Obama is a "natural born citizen." |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 07:24 AM Response to Reply #123 |
164. Well put |
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Freddie Stubbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 06:50 AM Response to Reply #3 |
151. Horeshit. They already do |
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DissedByBush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 07:43 AM Response to Reply #3 |
171. They can, to an extent |
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humbled_opinion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 06:31 PM Response to Original message |
4. Its the help end doubt clause |
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DemoTex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 06:37 PM Response to Reply #4 |
6. It's the Red-Meat-To-The-Snarling-Base clause .. |
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underpants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 06:48 PM Response to Reply #4 |
9. Does he really think that the hospital HAS to take the money or change the name? |
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humbled_opinion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 06:52 PM Response to Reply #9 |
11. I don't know what they think.... |
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Hekate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 02:10 AM Response to Reply #11 |
100. I have a feeling that hospital officials would not touch this issue with a 10-foot pole. nt |
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Tutonic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 06:36 PM Response to Original message |
5. Its a federal election---they can't interfere with federal election |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 09:44 PM Response to Reply #5 |
38. What do the first couple of words here mean to you? |
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YankmeCrankme (576 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 06:35 AM Response to Reply #38 |
146. why are you being obtuse? |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 07:33 AM Response to Reply #146 |
166. Because I have longer posts elsewhere in the thread |
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peacetalksforall (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 06:38 PM Response to Original message |
7. What about the vetting he went through to become a Senator and then President - don't they |
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naaman fletcher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 12:38 AM Response to Reply #7 |
83. What government department vets candidates? nt. |
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Hekate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 03:11 AM Response to Reply #83 |
110. You have to be a registered voter in your state/district... |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 04:40 AM Response to Reply #110 |
125. No. Any naturalized citizen can register to vote, but a naturalized citizen cannot be President. |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 07:54 AM Response to Reply #125 |
176. And that is the point - there are only two categories |
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newspeak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 12:01 PM Response to Reply #125 |
225. And just awhile back |
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naaman fletcher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 08:40 AM Response to Reply #110 |
184. OK, but if you read what I responded to, that is still not an answer. nt. |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 04:38 AM Response to Reply #7 |
124. Govt dept that vets candidates? Where did you get that from? |
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peacetalksforall (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 02:31 PM Response to Reply #124 |
237. I read that a long time ago. If it's the WH then the SS does it.. McCain, there |
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Jefferson23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 06:41 PM Response to Original message |
8. Oh yea, sure, this is not about feeding the racists out there, not at all. |
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Walk away (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 06:57 PM Response to Original message |
12. Finally! between this and their new racist immigration laws they have sunk to the depths of... |
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bergie321 (797 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 07:07 PM Response to Reply #12 |
14. They will probably combine the 2 laws and |
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Walk away (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 07:37 PM Response to Reply #14 |
19. I think these idiots should be checked for brains before they leave their state. |
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Incitatus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 08:15 PM Response to Reply #14 |
22. I don't think that will end well for the Sheriff. nt |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 02:08 AM Response to Reply #14 |
99. That's Guvner Joe to you, Bub. |
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mikehiggins (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 12:47 PM Response to Reply #14 |
229. I suspect Sheriff Joe would have a hard time doing that |
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newspeak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 08:01 PM Response to Reply #12 |
20. I was raised in Arizona, moved, then transferred with the government |
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MadMaddie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 08:16 PM Response to Reply #20 |
23. You are correct in that Hispanic American citizens will be |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 04:46 AM Response to Reply #20 |
127. Sorry, but I cannot stand fake nostalgia for dead Republicans. Goldwater was as big a POS |
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newspeak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 12:08 PM Response to Reply #127 |
226. Goldwater in his later years |
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bergie321 (797 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 07:06 PM Response to Original message |
13. Man I love my state |
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underpants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 07:35 PM Response to Reply #13 |
16. I feel for ya |
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beac (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 10:24 PM Response to Reply #16 |
50. We should really thank Arizona for dropping us back to second place in the |
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donco6 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 08:16 AM Response to Reply #13 |
180. We're no better so don't sweat it. |
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MetaTrope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 07:13 PM Response to Original message |
15. Let's not forget that Arizona is where al-Qaeda established its operations in the U.S. |
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underpants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 07:36 PM Response to Reply #15 |
18. They got their IDs in Virginia |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 04:56 AM Response to Reply #15 |
128. My son jokes that it's clear I am the link to Al Qaeda in the U.S. |
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lonestarnot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 08:44 PM Response to Original message |
24. Oh my gawd! These fucking fools. Arizona the most embarrassing state in the country. |
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CLANG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 09:40 PM Response to Reply #24 |
37. Floridians and Texans break out in cheer! |
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Vickers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 12:43 AM Response to Reply #37 |
86. Hahahaha! I was about to post, "This takes some heat off Florida!" |
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flyarm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 12:57 AM Response to Reply #37 |
91. lol...from Fla here...LMAO! Thank you!!! ..eom |
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KansDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 03:47 PM Response to Reply #37 |
239. Interesting. The two states that had Bushes for governors. |
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CLANG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 07:41 PM Response to Reply #239 |
248. You're starting to scare me, man. |
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pezDispenser (443 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 10:28 PM Response to Reply #24 |
51. in our defense, as a fellow Arizonian |
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Critters2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 10:33 AM Response to Reply #51 |
205. But yours just won handily nt |
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pezDispenser (443 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-22-10 01:08 PM Response to Reply #205 |
252. hahaha |
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Applan (435 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 11:02 PM Response to Reply #24 |
60. I'm right behind you |
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AzNick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 12:50 AM Response to Reply #24 |
88. No, we need to fight |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 04:57 AM Response to Reply #24 |
129. In fariness, it has plenty of competition. Hell, even Massachusetts just elected Scott Brown a U.S. |
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HuckleB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 09:03 PM Response to Original message |
26. I left the place 18 years ago. |
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tinrobot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 12:28 AM Response to Reply #26 |
81. I left 20 years ago. |
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Nebulous Abstraction (30 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 09:09 PM Response to Original message |
27. ugh! |
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scarface2004 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 09:12 PM Response to Original message |
28. i hope obama refuses to comply |
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sakabatou (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 09:22 PM Response to Original message |
30. For the love of the FSM... |
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athenasatanjesus (592 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 09:23 PM Response to Original message |
31. I hope at least this Birther crap puts an end to the false equivalency perception. |
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RoccoR5955 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 09:23 PM Response to Original message |
32. Perhaps they should get McCain to show HIS papers. |
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provis99 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 11:51 PM Response to Reply #32 |
71. you're right but with one coda...McCain is white |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 05:14 AM Response to Reply #71 |
136. Please see Reply # 106. |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 07:45 AM Response to Reply #71 |
172. Amen. That is why there was never a demand for his birth certificate. |
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flyarm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 01:00 AM Response to Reply #32 |
92. The congress did make him..and he showed them! After a suit was filed against McCain..first. |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 05:07 AM Response to Reply #32 |
134. Please see Reply #106. And Reply # 101. |
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dflprincess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 09:29 PM Response to Original message |
33. These nut cases, whatever state they live in, should request "official" copies of their own birth |
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jmowreader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 09:52 PM Response to Reply #33 |
41. I know that's what you get in Idaho |
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marybourg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 10:14 PM Response to Reply #33 |
47. Yes, due, in the case of my birth state, to the requirements of |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 12:24 AM Response to Reply #33 |
79. Most states have |
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FailureToCommunicate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 09:33 PM Response to Original message |
34. 1987: Arizona governor Evan Mecham rescinds MLK Day as his first act in office |
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lunasun (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 09:56 PM Response to Reply #34 |
43. I was just thnking |
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sadbear (799 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 09:47 PM Response to Original message |
40. Would Obama even have a chance in Arizona? |
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Divine Discontent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 10:04 PM Response to Reply #40 |
45. Willard!!!! |
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RFKHumphreyObama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 10:21 PM Response to Reply #40 |
49. Clinton won the state's electoral votes in 1996 and Obama may have won last time |
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Rosa Luxemburg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 09:57 PM Response to Original message |
44. why is Arizona so weird? Has the House paid its taxes. |
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SargeUNN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 12:52 AM Response to Reply #44 |
90. Grover Norquist owns the Legislature here in AZ |
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mistertrickster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 10:06 PM Response to Original message |
46. McCain's birth certificate is faded ink on parchment written in Medieval Latin. nt |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 07:39 AM Response to Reply #46 |
168. It was never demanded by anybody |
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alp227 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 10:18 PM Response to Original message |
48. I guess the hot weather is eroding the legislators' brains. |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 05:21 AM Response to Reply #48 |
139. What other measures/background checks? |
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alp227 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 08:43 PM Response to Reply #139 |
251. To make sure that the Constitutional age/citizenship provisions are upheld |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 10:49 PM Response to Original message |
55. Then Arizona will officially certify his citizenship, because they'll have no choice |
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caseymoz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 10:56 PM Response to Original message |
58. It would be funny if AZ's law effects the other candidates and not Obama. |
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TheMadMonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 03:43 AM Response to Reply #58 |
115. Exactly. By law the original, original by law can't leave the records archive... |
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NAO (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 11:01 PM Response to Original message |
59. Don't forget AZ's rabid fight against MLK day -nt |
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happyslug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 11:02 PM Response to Original message |
61. What if someone does NOT have a birth certificate? |
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madamesilverspurs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 11:24 PM Response to Original message |
63. It has to be the heat. |
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Indenturedebtor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 11:29 PM Response to Original message |
66. I have potholes outside my house... |
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Permanut (477 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 11:56 PM Response to Reply #66 |
74. I got potholes too |
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Indenturedebtor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 12:22 AM Response to Reply #74 |
78. Teeheehee good stuff :D n/t |
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Skittles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 11:42 PM Response to Original message |
68. it's comforting to know that not all nutcases live in Texas |
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LaPera (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-20-10 11:52 PM Response to Reply #68 |
72. No it's not. |
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Skittles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 12:26 AM Response to Reply #72 |
80. so sayeth the California resident |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 05:25 AM Response to Reply #80 |
140. I say it, too. If all nutcases were in a single state, life would be easier. |
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kentauros (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 04:00 PM Response to Reply #140 |
242. Life would be easier in most fantasy worlds. |
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urotsukidoji (13 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 12:00 AM Response to Original message |
75. Tragic bigotry in action... |
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Blue_Tires (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 12:50 AM Response to Reply #75 |
87. welcome to the site! |
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Democat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 12:34 AM Response to Original message |
82. Must stop the black guy from getting re-elected! |
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47of74 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 12:39 AM Response to Original message |
84. This is my message to every last scumbag that supports that measure |
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SargeUNN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 12:42 AM Response to Original message |
85. Oh But WAIT we in AZ are now going to make you |
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Miss_Underestimated (239 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 01:32 AM Response to Original message |
94. I'll be boycotting AZ from now on. Too bad; I've never been to the Grand Canyon |
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happygoluckytoyou (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 01:56 AM Response to Reply #94 |
97. ARIZONA ALSO WANTS HIM TO PROVE HE IS 1/2 WHITE |
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SeattleGirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 03:50 AM Response to Reply #94 |
116. Fly over it from the Nevada side. |
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tomm2thumbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 05:20 AM Response to Reply #116 |
138. +1 |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 05:29 AM Response to Reply #94 |
141. No problem. Just don't kick the bucket. |
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ima_sinnic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 04:01 AM Response to Original message |
117. far more appropriate would be an intelligence test as a requirement to run for state office |
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spicegal (617 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 04:59 AM Response to Original message |
131. All of this has one purpose only and that's to attempt to delegitimize Obama's presidency. |
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zbdent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 05:06 AM Response to Original message |
133. Imagine the media outcry had any Dem public official called for Bush to produce proof |
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geckosfeet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 05:20 AM Response to Original message |
137. Laughing stock would be a few steps up. |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 05:38 AM Response to Original message |
143. Please read the Constitution. It's short. It's online, as amended to date. |
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marmar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 06:05 AM Response to Original message |
144. "the laughing stock of the nation." |
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Ganja Ninja (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 06:11 AM Response to Original message |
145. The constitution lays out the requirements for any potential president. |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 07:39 AM Response to Reply #145 |
169. It also directs states to conduct the elections |
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Enthusiast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 07:10 AM Response to Original message |
160. Nothing better illustrates |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 07:13 AM Response to Original message |
162. This Kansan is sending good vibes to like minded Arizonians |
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rasputin1952 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 07:30 AM Response to Original message |
165. This will get blasted as unconstitutional... |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 07:45 AM Response to Reply #165 |
173. Take a look at how the Constitution mandates those elections |
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rasputin1952 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 07:52 AM Response to Reply #173 |
175. "What they can't do is to impose an unreasonable or discriminatory condition." |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 08:02 AM Response to Reply #175 |
178. Not really |
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rasputin1952 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 08:30 AM Response to Reply #178 |
182. And how do they take him off the next ballot... |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 08:42 AM Response to Reply #182 |
185. Huh? |
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AtLiberty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 08:07 AM Response to Original message |
179. Didn't these people care about the legitimacy of GWB's two terms? |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 08:21 AM Response to Original message |
181. Maybe there's a silver lining if this bill passes |
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rasputin1952 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 08:33 AM Response to Reply #181 |
183. They'll say it's a forgery... |
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Gin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 08:48 AM Response to Reply #183 |
190. Arizona beats Virginia in being an embarrassment.... |
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underpants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 07:44 PM Response to Reply #190 |
249. HEY! |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 07:04 PM Response to Reply #183 |
247. Yes, but if AZ is forced to put him on the ballot I think that will take most of the wind |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 08:48 AM Response to Reply #181 |
189. Oh no, you underestimate the determined stupidity here |
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progressoid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 09:18 AM Response to Original message |
192. Yay for Arizona. |
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lynne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 09:26 AM Response to Original message |
194. Got no problem with it as it effectively ends the birther crap - |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 09:36 AM Response to Reply #194 |
196. What's "Not To Like" Is the Motivation... |
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Posteritatis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 10:29 AM Response to Reply #194 |
203. For starters, the fact that it won't end it at all |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 09:35 AM Response to Original message |
195. Arizona carries only 10 electoral votes |
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Tarc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 09:45 AM Response to Original message |
198. Fine by me |
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BolivarianHero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 10:05 AM Response to Original message |
201. Wow... |
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amb123 (764 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 10:11 AM Response to Original message |
202. Arizona has become the world's largest insane asylum. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 10:41 AM Response to Reply #202 |
209. How many citizens agree with them . . . and is it possible to fight back??? |
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texastoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 10:37 AM Response to Original message |
206. Stupid stupid stupid |
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cui bono (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 11:05 AM Response to Original message |
215. On a positive note, the AZ Birthers have now outed themselves. |
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subaltern (37 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 11:19 AM Response to Original message |
218. Arizona: the \"show us your papers\" state, you darkies. |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 11:30 AM Response to Original message |
220. What's double funny is that there was no "William J. Clinton" or "Gerald R. Ford" on a BC |
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Wildewolfe (470 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 11:47 AM Response to Original message |
223. The one bright side... |
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classysassy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 12:29 PM Response to Original message |
227. Deranged |
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mwooldri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 12:36 PM Response to Original message |
228. This is insanity. My son is in the exact same situation as President Obama. |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 01:56 PM Response to Reply #228 |
236. I'll take the last part |
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Dont_Bogart_the_Pretzel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 03:49 PM Response to Original message |
240. Obama need not to worry about Arizona... I doubt he will get very many votes from that state. |
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brooklynite (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 03:50 PM Response to Original message |
241. When the Republican Governor of Hawaii certifies Obama's Birth Certificate (again...) |
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BlueIdaho (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 04:48 PM Response to Reply #241 |
244. No Kidding! |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-21-10 06:46 PM Response to Original message |
246. They can start with "outside the Panama Canal Zone" "Never a Maverick" McCain. |
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