Cornyn: Obama Got 'Lucky' That Times Square Bomber Is Talking

[underpants]

Source: Hurrington Post

"That is a stroke of good luck," Sen. John Cornyn (R-Tex.) said of the news that Shahzad was cooperating even after getting his Miranda rights read to him. "What if he had not waived them and just quit talking, said 'I want my lawyer'?"

"Maybe we got lucky and said I will go ahead and talk to you anyway," said Jon Kyl (R-Ariz.). "But you didn't know that when you read the rights. So I stand by what I said -- it is better in these kinds of cases to get the intelligence first and then, if you decide you want to proceed with an Article 3 prosecution, then read the Miranda rights."


And DOJ officials say that the administration questioned Shahzad before reading him his Miranda rights -- the exact procedure that Kyl advocated. In the end, if the department wants to build a case against the suspected Times Square bomber, its hands are largely tied when it comes to what it can or cannot do both during interrogation and detainment. The Department of Justice under John Ashcroft understood this too. Which is why they not only read Miranda rights to suspected terrorists but publicly touted the convictions they were able to secure in criminal court settings.


Read more: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/05/04/cornyn-obama-got-lucky-th_n_563374.html

[CTyankee]

1. Like he gives a shit about New York City! oh, give me a break....nt

[Ruby the Liberal]

2. Because we could have waterboarded him so he spews jibberish

as opposed to interrogating him like a human being with information we need/want?

[underpants]

3. Notice how effective INTERROGATION by skilled and experienced cops was

no torture needed
no bombings needed

[Ruby the Liberal]

10. 'Xactly. Drill Baby Drill and Torture - both down in flames within days.

:toast:

[still_one]

4. screw cornyn. I would like to remind that ignoramus that 9/11 occurred under "THEIR" watch

because "THEY" refused to read the Hart/Rudman report, and ignored all the warnings, including the August briefing

The truth is that most of the problems we are experiencing today are because of the republican ideology. From the anti-union, anti-regulation, policies, to just pure incompentence

keep talking cornyn, your state of Texas has been screwed big time since the repukes took it over

[Rosa Luxemburg]

21. they didn't 'watch' very well

[Renew Deal]

5. Guys like Cornyn and Peter King are un-american.

The guy that did this is an american citizen on US soil. What exactly would he like to do with him? Throw him in a prison without a trial? Sorry, the constitution doesn't allow that.

[bluestateguy]

6. Miranda rights were reaffirmed in 2000 by the commie lib Rehnquist Court

In fact Rehnquist himself wrote the majority opinion.

[fishwax]

7. well, if he didn't talk we'd have to torture him, of course

:eyes:

[CatWoman]

8. This is just so disgusting

Words fail me........

[Cha]

9. "Retired General: McCain, Pete King Putting American Lives At Risk"

Let's not forget cornyn..

<snip>

"I just got off the phone with retired General Paul Eaton, who is best known for training Iraqi troops during the Bush years, and he offered scathing criticism of John McCain and Pete King for demanding that the Obama administration refrain from Mirandizing the Times Square bomb suspect.

General Eaton bluntly said McCain and King are potentially putting American lives at risk.

Eaton, a political independent who says he’s voted for both Republicans and Democrats, ripped McCain and King’s comments as “wholly inappropriate,” adding that not Mirandizing the suspect risks making it tougher to win a prosecution of him in court.

“I don’t understand how a Senator or a Congressman can challenge the Mirandizing procedure,” Eaton, who is also a senior adviser at the Dem-leaning National Security Network, told me. “The laws are clear. Rep. King and Senator McCain have advocated a position that could cost us this case.”

Eaton added that there’s no way the suspect will ever be tried in a military tribunal, and said that his trial was certain to take place in the civilian court system.

“The offense occured at Times Square,” he said. “It’s not a military venue. He’s an American citizen. The military has no juristiction.”

<MORE>
http://theplumline.whorunsgov.com/terrorism/retired-general-mccain-pete-king-putting-american-lives-at-risk/

[Journeyman]

11. Ah, the old Red Queen School of Jurisprudence: "Verdict FIRST, trial afterwards. . ."

and they continue to wonder why we hold them in such negative esteem. . .

[leahcim]

12. Even if they didn't read him his rights...

... and hell, even the the cops beat him during interrogation, the only thing that would be struck out in court would be the results of the interrogation. It sounds like they have pictures/video of him at the scene, and records of him acquiring the vehicle, which would be enough to convict no matter what. Getting off on a procedural technicality when he's really obviously guilty only happens in movies or on TV.

John Cornyn is confused about what Mirandizing means. And besides, it's not like the guy didn't have the option of not talking before he was read his rights.

[muntrv]

13. Lucky? Like the shoe bomber?

[lobodons]

14. Too bad we weren't Lucky on 9-11

They have also said that we were lucky that the bomb didn't go off. Yes we were!!! But still, regarding 9-11, I am sure they would have spoken out against that "luck" too if we would have been,(ya, right) or IF the Bushies would have just read the August 6th Daily Briefing Memo. Too bad we weren't lucky on 9-11. Thank God we were "lucky" this time!!!!

[wisteria]

15. He said what? What an a**hole. n/t

[high density]

16. WTF is it with these Repukes that have disdain for due process?

Isn't that part of what we're "fighting" for "over there?"

[Historic NY]

17. These GOP Senators could put legal prosecution in jeopardy....

they don't seem to know much about the law, The Constitution and peoples rights. Whatever happened to the rule of law they always touted?

[awoke_in_2003]

18. My senator...

he is about as useful as a football bat.

[nyy1998]

20. Could we as a state elect anyone half decent?

How bad is it that KBH is what goes for moderate in Texas?

[awoke_in_2003]

26. If you got rid of

DFW metroplex, maybe we could. Austin is left leaning, and hell, Houston elected an openly gay woman to the mayor's office.

[justabob]

27. D is quite dark purple... FW is the problem

I think even San Antonio went for dems last time.

[nyy1998]

19. So apparently Miranda Rights no longer applied to US citizens anymore?

I don't like this asshole, but he still deserves his 4th, 5th, and 6th amendment rights.

[ShockediSay]

22. Lucky? Like the underwear bomber

who ended up giving us valuable intel

Very much unlike the Bushie Cheneys who would have
broken the law and gotten zero cooperation

[Swede]

24. Exactly. They brought his family to talk to him and he gushed info.

His family would not have helped if torture was involved.

[Javaman]

23. ahhhh asshole cornyn spews shit again.

he's my wonderful senator.

:banghead:

[yellowcanine]

25. You know your political opponents are on the run when they start invoking "luck"

Instead of all of these logic contortions it would be easier for Cornyn and his ilk to just eat the crow and move on.

[truthisfreedom]

28. Actually, the question is "What if we hadn't read him his rights and he walked as a result?"

This guy is pea-brained.

[truthisfreedom]

29. Actually, the question is "What if we hadn't read him his rights and he walked as a result?"

This guy is pea-brained.

[Zorra]

30. Golly gee, Senator, guess some folks have all the luck. n/t