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imurhuckleberry Donating Member (155 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-10 06:52 AM
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AIG execs won't face criminal charges
Source: WSJ

Federal prosecutors will not bring criminal charges against current and former American International Group Inc. executives for their role surrounding financial contracts that nearly brought down the insurer about two years ago, according to people familiar with the matter.

The decision brings to a close a criminal investigation that, while mostly under wraps, was widely followed. The September 2008 bailout of AIG was one of the biggest and most shocking of the financial crisis, as trading by a noninsurance unit brought down one of the most iconic financial companies world-wide.

The probe focused on Joseph Cassano, who headed a London-based unit of AIG called Financial Products, people familiar with the matter have said. Other executives at the unit, Andrew Forster and Tom Athan, also were targets of the investigation, these people said.

"The system worked," said lawyers F. Joseph Warin and Jim Walden of Gibson, Dunn & Crutcher LLP, who represent Mr. Cassano, in a statement on Friday. "The large group of federal agents and prosecutors was diligent and professional throughout the investigation, and our client is grateful that they did their jobs by following the facts to the end."

Read more: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704852004575259240428335282.html?mod%3Drss_whats_news_us
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-10 06:54 AM
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1. My heart just sank. Go enjoy your bonuses, assholes. nt
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radhika Donating Member (563 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-10 12:02 PM
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43. Not even the dreaded 'sternly worded letter'? n/t
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-10 11:27 AM
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95. ERIC HOLDER =
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-10 01:59 PM
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105. This decision was above Holder's pay grade.
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RBitt Donating Member (76 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-10 03:38 PM
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75. FDR said it all,Clinton undid it all, Obama is taking it to the next level.
"We had to struggle with the old enemies of peace‹business and financial monopoly, speculation, reckless banking, class antagonism, sectionalism, war profiteering.
They had begun to consider the Government of the United States as a mere appendage to their own affairs. We know now that Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob.
Never before in all our history have these forces been so united against one candidate as they stand today. They are unanimous in their hate for me‹and I welcome their hatred. " 10-31-36 FDR

Obama speaks of
' our friends on Wall Street.' what an a-hole.
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avaistheone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-10 10:05 AM
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89. +100
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ima_sinnic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-10 06:44 AM
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102. +101
he was bought and paid for a while ago
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rsmith6621 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-10 06:55 AM
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2. Face It Folks......



....The Tree Will Never Be Shaken Under Obama....Corporate America Has Spare Get Out Of Jail Free Cards...
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Vinnie From Indy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-10 06:56 AM
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3. The system worked!
Rich people cause unimaginable damage worldwide and go free to sit on their yachts and poor people get caught with some weed and spend years in prison. Is that the system this douchebag's lawyer is applauding?
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-10 11:22 AM
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94. Disgusting Criminals
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-10 06:57 AM
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4. I never thought they would
no one ever faces charges, when their buddies are in charge of pressing charges... whether its in some backwater village or the US govt.
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charlesg Donating Member (311 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-10 06:57 AM
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5. Well, isn't that special
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Angry Dragon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-10 06:58 AM
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6. Bull.......
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-10 06:59 AM
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7. Quelle shock and awe, quelle hope and change. Nt
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davidwparker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-10 10:34 AM
Response to Reply #7
25. His butt will be gone after 2012.
I can see Two Men and a Truck parked outside the WH now.
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movonne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-10 11:39 AM
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36. And then we get a repug and it will get worse...it is like being
Edited on Sat May-22-10 11:42 AM by movonne
in between a rock and a hard place...what to do, what to do..
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chrisa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-10 01:04 PM
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57. We cannot accept the lesser of two evils and sulk forever.
It's obvious that the Obama Administration has no intention of regulating business any more. They especially won't prosecute anybody in AIG. Those on Wall Street can commit any financial crime or fraud that they want, and get away with it at this point. We need an Administration that is willing to fight back against corporate raiders, not an Administration that will suck up to them.

(Also, prepare for no prosecution of anyone in BP, and the scolding of the American people for even thinking to ask for such a thing. The American people will suffer and pay the bill, while BP posts record profits).
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deconstruct911 Donating Member (809 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-10 02:32 PM
Response to Reply #57
66. It's easy to get away with fraud
When you own a private cia.
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northernlights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-10 02:49 PM
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67. at least with the rethug, we know we are about to get effed
and don't waste precious time and energy on (false) hope and (no) change.

Seriously. If McLame/Failin had "won" (or successfully stolen) the election, I would have dumped my home at rock-bottom price to some a-hole freeper who believed they'd save the economy, headed further into the wilds and saved myself a lot of wasted effort.

Instead, thanks to (false) hope, worked my ass off for 2+ years in a med lab tech program with no way to finish it now that my student loans are unexpectedly cut off, owe up $20K+ in student debt with no way to repay it because I can't finish the program, can't sell my home to save my life even at a rock-bottom price, got denied "low income property tax rebate" by state because I failed to prove I qualified (out of work for a year so ZERO INCOME THAT YEAR -- lived off the last of my retirement fund), and am caught between the proverbial rock and hard place.

At this point, for me, it doesn't matter who "wins" or "loses" in 2012. If I even survive that long. :(
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-10 02:07 AM
Response to Reply #36
82. it's time to find other options
third party, true Dem challengers, anything. The two party system is DONE!
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-10 02:06 PM
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107. Other alternative: Primary. Unlikely, but not impossible.
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Iowa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-10 06:18 PM
Response to Reply #25
78. Yep. Worst Democratic president in history. The antithesis of FDR...
Grayson 2012.
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-10 02:08 AM
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83. I like that idea! nt
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ima_sinnic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-10 06:48 AM
Response to Reply #78
103. I do too!
Grayson 2012 could definitely work for me.
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calico1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-10 07:00 AM
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8. What a disappointment.
Same old, same old. Nothing changes.
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BumRushDaShow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-10 07:10 AM
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9. The true criminals reside in Goldman Sachs.
Recall that the billions and billions of taxpayer money that went to save AIG were funneled right back out to Goldman Sachs. I would not be surprised if there were immunity agreements being worked to get at the real source of the world-wide financial collapse - Goldman Sachs. Now whether they can or will persist on taking GS down is another issue altogether.
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dotymed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-10 10:44 AM
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27. What a HUGE surprise.
Obamas whitehouse is teeming with GS exec's. I am positive they will be b(r)ought to "justice."
Meet the old boss.....same as the old boss....

:nuke:
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laughingliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-10 12:00 PM
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42. One ray of hope. eom
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northernlights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-10 02:52 PM
Response to Reply #42
68. seriously? you honestly believe that Obama will go after Geithner?
his *family friend* who's father employed his mother way back when?

Uh-huh. Sure. Yup. Any day now.
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-10 10:59 PM
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80. Bingo!!! Give the lady a prize.
Edited on Sat May-22-10 11:06 PM by Beacool
AIG was saved for the sole purpose of channeling money through them to Goldman Sachs and over 80 other financial institutions worldwide.

Goldman Sachs made billions by pushing AIG to bankruptcy

By Barry Grey
10 February 2010

An investigative report published Sunday by the New York Times provides a glimpse of the predatory practices of major Wall Street banks that played a central role in the financial meltdown and global economic crisis.

The article, headlined “Testy Conflict With Goldman Helped Push AIG to Precipice,” documents the role of Goldman Sachs, the biggest and most profitable US investment bank, in pushing the insurance giant American International Group (AIG) to the brink of bankruptcy.

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The Times article, by Gretchen Morgenson and Louise Story, is based on a review of internal AIG documents and a recording of a January 28, 2008 conference call between Goldman Sachs executives and AIG. It describes how Goldman, in the two years preceding AIG’s bailout, worked to undermine investor confidence in the insurer, then the biggest seller of credit default swap contracts, and drive down the market value of mortgage-backed securities.

During this period, Goldman was betting on a collapse of the housing bubble, which it had helped inflate by promoting sub-prime mortgages. Even as Goldman’s top traders were structuring credit default contracts with AIG on mortgage-backed securities in a manner that enabled the bank to profit from a decline in the price of these securities, Goldman was making money by purchasing the same type of securities for clients and charging fees for bundling home loans into so-called “collateralized debt obligations” and selling the mortgage-backed CDOs into the market.

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2010/feb2010/gold-f10.shtml

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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-10 02:29 PM
Response to Reply #9
110. GS is only one of several places in which the true criminals reside.
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RKP5637 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-10 07:28 AM
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10. This is USA, Inc. Why would anyone expect different... citizens are an inconvenience
to the profit objective. And the gov. is bought and paid for by corporations.
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primavera Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-10 09:00 AM
Response to Reply #10
88. Exactly
The executive enforces law; it doesn't create it. And our laws have been written by corporations for generations to ensure that the rich get richer at everyone else's expense with impunity.
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-10 02:16 PM
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108. Like Bushco, AIG did plenty for which it could have been prosecuted under existing law, but the Exec
Edited on Mon May-24-10 02:17 PM by No Elephants
decides whom to prosecute and whom not to prosecute.
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FailureToCommunicate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-10 07:41 AM
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11. "...prosecutors were diligent and professional throughout" They're SO gracious in victory.
Terrible -but predictable- outcome.
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tularetom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-10 07:41 AM
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12. Did anyone really expect they would?
The asshole who started two illegitimate wars and is probably as responsible as anyone for the Gulf oil clusterfuck is still free and hiding in his undisclosed location. His stooge is running around the country giving "motivational speeches" for big bucks. In the face of overwhelming evidence they haven't yet been charged with war crimes. I can almost guarantee they never will.

Nobody with money and/or connections is ever going to be charged with anything in this country.
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bulloney Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-10 07:53 AM
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13. I think we need to see an angry mob assemble around the homes of these crooks.
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snagglepuss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-10 08:07 AM
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14. Exactly. nt
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stillwaiting Donating Member (591 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-10 11:45 AM
Response to Reply #13
38. The police would protect the crooks and probably harm/arrest the protestors.
We need to change the system.

"Better candidates" just won't do it.

I hope a movement starts soon that ONLY focuses on changing the system that includes conservatives AND liberals.
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-10 11:55 AM
Response to Reply #38
39. And if the police aren't enough, the rich have the National Guard
to back them. Tienanminh Square won't work here because the tanks won't stop.
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-10 01:57 PM
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104. Sounds like what the Tea Party wants to acomplish, Fat chance.
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Initech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-10 12:43 PM
Response to Reply #13
53. Like they said on the Simpsons: There's no justice like angry mob justice.
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-10 08:55 AM
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15. If Joe Six Pack stole a thousand dollars and got caught he'd do a couple of years.
A guy stealing to feed his kids goes to jail...these mother fuckers get a bonus!
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City Lights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-10 08:55 AM
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16. Too big to prosecute, eh?
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-10 09:00 AM
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17. Oh yes. The system worked.
The way it almost always does for the very rich, the privileged, and most white collar criminals.
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naaman fletcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-10 09:05 AM
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18. They probably did nothing criminal..
Basically CDS contracts are insurance contracts. AIG simply wrote a whole bunch of insurance contracts that they never thought they would have to pay out on. Those buying the contracts, like Goldman and such, knew damn well that AIG could never pay if a large group of claims came in.

But, Goldman didn't have to worry because Goldman and the Government are one-and-the-same, so Goldman just had the Government lend AIG money in order to pay off the contracts.

The system stinks, but really it's Goldman, Citi, Hank Paulson, Geithner, Bush, Obama, and about 20 key Senators and Congressmen who belong in jail. I am willing to buy that Obama wasn't really a part of the inside workings of it, but certainly some people he trusted were at least.
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icee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-10 10:19 AM
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20. I would bet that he was part of it.
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Dinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-10 10:21 AM
Response to Reply #18
22. Whoa, You're Braver Than I Am
And I agree with you.
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AlbertCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-10 10:27 AM
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23.  AIG simply wrote a whole bunch of insurance contracts that they never thought they would have to pa
AIG simply wrote a whole bunch of insurance contracts that they never thought they would have to pay out on.


***********

It's not criminal to write agreements to pay out something you don't have the means to pay out in the 1st place? Sounds like fraud to me.... simply.
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naaman fletcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-10 11:16 AM
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32. maybe...
It was always common in insurance, which is why insurance is heavily regulated. Is this? Maybe. But I will say that the people who bought the insurance were perfectly aware of AIG's financial situation, so probably none of the purchasers were being mislead. Everybody was in it to get rich quick and hope that the bubble never ended.
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SOS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-10 12:07 PM
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48. They renamed their insurance as credit default swaps
with the purpose of evading insurance regulations with their pesky capital requirements.
It was deception and evasion from square one.

They knew they could never pay if the mortgage market tanked and deliberately evaded regulation.

The defender of AIG above seems to think these contracts were legally defined as "insurance" which they were not.
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liberation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-10 03:28 PM
Response to Reply #23
72. Fraud by definition is a CRIME
Maybe I did not get the sarcasm?
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proudohioan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-10 05:42 AM
Response to Reply #23
85. Yeah, it sound like something that would land me in Mansfield if I tried it! nt
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chrisa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-10 01:10 PM
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58. They can do nothing criminal when the government decriminalizes what was illegal in the past.
Prepare for more deregulation, all in the interest of our "economy" (eg. so that the rich can accumulate more wealth than they need).

By the way, I'm watching my neighbor move out right now after being foreclosed. He has two little girls. Sleep well, Wall Street execs. Enjoy that Lobster and Filet Mignon dinner you have tonight made by the finest of chefs. The government is the greatest friend you could ever have.
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-10 02:41 PM
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112. Pls see Reply # 109.
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ooglymoogly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-10 01:52 PM
Response to Reply #18
64. There is a little thing called RICO.
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mbperrin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-10 11:14 AM
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92. CDS contracts are gambling, not insurance. To qualify as insurance,
Edited on Sun May-23-10 11:15 AM by mbperrin
the owner of the contract would have to have an actual insurable interest in the thing being insured.

Example: Insurance is when the company would suffer greatly from the death of an officer because of their unique skills or knowledge. The company purchases life insurance in the amount of expected loss from that death. Action and consequence clearly related, and my insurable interest is easy to define and monetize.

Gambling: I go to the track and buy a $2 ticket to win on Faster Than You. I don't own the horse, I don't train the horse, I do nothing but show up, spend $2 and wait for riches to follow. That's gambling. And that's CDS, just with some extra steps thrown in to confuse the gullible.

Whole mess should be outlawed. And please don't talk about reducing risk. Insurance of any kind is a moral hazard, because it does not reduce risk, it pays off when risk is realized, rewarding risk. Reducing risk is not buying auto insurance that will pay off when I hit someone else while speeding and texting. Reducing risk is eliminating speeding and texting, because if I have a wreck, the person I hit will take my house, bank accounts, and future labor of my children.
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-10 02:22 PM
Response to Reply #18
109. At a bare minimum, AIG violated securities laws requiring full and fair disclosure, Hell, even Ben
Edited on Mon May-24-10 02:23 PM by No Elephants
Stein says AIG (and others) broke the law big time.
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scentopine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-10 09:54 AM
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19. LOL! Was there any doubt that we would "look forward" ? -nt
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asdjrocky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-10 10:21 AM
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21. Yet people go to jail everyday for stealing food
or smoking pot.

Land of the free? If you can afford it.
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laughingliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-10 12:02 PM
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44. +1000 nt
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davidwparker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-10 10:31 AM
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24. Is this change I can believe in?
No. You'd think the Hope Monger's prosecutors could find "fraud with both hands" here.
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slay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-10 10:38 AM
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26. The rich get to play by a whole different set of rules
almost destroy an economy = nothing. Sell, or even in some states just smoke some marijuana = go to jail + fine. It's the people vs the mega corporations now. The battle lines couldn't be clearer.
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-10 12:03 PM
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46. Not true, not true at all.
The law, in its majestic equality, forbids the rich as well as the poor to sleep under bridges, to beg in the streets, and to steal bread. (Anatole France)

On the other hand, the law permits the poor, as well as the rich, to buy politicians, hire fancy lawyers, and generally wreak havoc on the economy with market manipulations.
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conspirator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-10 07:34 PM
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117. +1
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Selatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-10 10:50 AM
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28. There would be a national strike and daily protests if this occurred in a functioning Republic.
A population unafraid of using critical thinking and well-informed is far more powerful than a population anesthetized with infotainment and outright propaganda.
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-10 02:37 PM
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111. +1
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-10 10:53 AM
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29. they get away with it and walk for now
Edited on Sat May-22-10 10:55 AM by lovuian
but when this government is gone
they will be found

it is matter of time

I have no confidence in this government
the Corruption is worst

this is under the OBAMA Department of Justice
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cornermouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-10 10:57 AM
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30. I beat your with the story by more than 2 hours.
Have a nice day.
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BulletproofLandshark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-10 11:31 AM
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35. Your No-Prize is in the mail.
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DesertDiamond Donating Member (838 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-10 11:05 AM
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31. Quelle surprise.
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rurallib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-10 11:27 AM
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33. Remember FDR's 'They hate me and I welcome their hate' speech
I dont think we will ever hear Obama give that one.
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tomm2thumbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-10 11:57 AM
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40. +1
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laughingliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-10 12:04 PM
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47. I don't think so, either. nt
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liberation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-10 03:29 PM
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73. I can see the "You love me, you really really really love me" Oscar speech though...
Edited on Sat May-22-10 03:30 PM by liberation
Oh, well.
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nightrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-10 11:28 AM
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34. no big surprise. Obama is unwilling to make people responsible for their actions.
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Mike K Donating Member (539 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-10 11:59 AM
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41. Small correction:
Obama will make some people responsible for their actions.

E.g. Obama's drug czar, Gil Kerlikowske, who is every bit as subtly devious as Obama is, has proposed that anyone found to be driving a motor vehicle with traces of THC in their urine, will be charged with DUI. And as we all know, one could smoke a joint at a week-end party on May 1, and not again, and be tested on June 1 and be considered by the law to be guilty of DUI.

And this under the ultimate auspices of a President who has admitted to smoking pot "frequently."

I am curious to know how many DU participants continue to believe that Obama is anything but a phony corporate puppet?
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Phlem Donating Member (580 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-10 11:42 AM
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37. Whoa
For a second there I thought Bush was still president. Huh, I must not be prejudice because the two different colors faded away and all I saw was the same asshole.

-p
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HughBeaumont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-10 12:03 PM
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45. Corporate America: The Legal Mafia.
They won't stop until we stop them. And that will never happen; we're afraid of arrest and one arrest will ruin our lives for good.

As much as your friendly policemen and military SAY "we'd never murder our neighbors" . . . I'll bet, if put to the test, they WOULD side with and protect the criminal rich from the torches and pitchforks.
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-10 12:07 PM
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49. It's just amazing. A person with no money can steal a steak
from the grocery store and go to jail. Guess the lesson is "steal big."
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go west young man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-10 12:18 PM
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50. America the beautiful? My ass. More like america the banana republic.
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-10 02:46 PM
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113. Rev. Jeremiah Wright, is that you?
j/k
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Kall Donating Member (130 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-10 12:39 PM
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51. Surprise, surprise.
Plus ca change...
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Initech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-10 12:42 PM
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52. I'll go get my pitchfork.
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Scruffy1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-10 12:57 PM
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56. I'll stock up on tar. Anyone got feathers?
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northernlights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-10 02:53 PM
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69. I've got the feathers. Anybody got a match? nt
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LiberalLovinLug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-10 12:55 PM
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54. Well...
SURPRISE SURPRISE SURPRISE!

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tinymontgomery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-10 12:56 PM
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55. Can there be civil charges brought against them?
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-10 01:34 PM
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59. Well, they DIDN'T do anything illegal.
They just did things that USED to be illegal before they paid Congress to MAKE them legal.

The real solution is to make those things illegal again!

:headbang:
rocktivity
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femrap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-10 01:38 PM
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60. Gee, I know
how the Greeks must be feeling with regard to corruption.

I wonder if we'll get a 'riot dog,' too.
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Heywood J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-10 01:42 PM
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61. Give the corporations the chair.
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HCE SuiGeneris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-10 01:43 PM
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62. Too Big To Jail
:grr:
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FlyByNight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-10 01:51 PM
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63. Can't say I'm surprised
There is definitely an inverse relationship regarding wealth vs. accountability: more wealth equals less accountability. Sadly, it's not very different at all with Dem administrations.

I love change.

:eyes:
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lynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-10 02:21 PM
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65. Appears the contracts were ironclad. IMO, the contracts should have been -
- renegotiated PRIOR to any bail-out and the bailout should have been contingent upon renegotiation. Only then would this not have occurred.

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mbperrin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-10 11:20 AM
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93. Always funny how corporate crooks get ironclad contracts while union
workers get their contracts eliminated, get their contracted pensions shuffled off into reduced payout, and more.

Funny, that.

My attorney years ago, brilliant man, told me that contracts are always a convenient place to start talking about what's actually going to happen. In this case, AIG could not have met the conditions of the contracts, and it is not possible to bind a third party without their permission to perform your contract for you. So no, they weren't ironclad, but they were certainly well-connected, and crooks in suits always make out better than crooks with a little pistol.

Always.
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Trillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-10 03:01 PM
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70. Deja vu. Remember this story.
In a few years, there will be a similar headline with BP replacing AIG.
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Carter Hayes Donating Member (47 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-10 03:15 PM
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71. Old habits die hard
No matter's who's in charge, they can't seem to resist the shitload of money being offered to the admin so the Corporate Mafia can buy their way out.
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-10 03:30 PM
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74. OBAMA! OBAMA! OBAMA! nt.
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Triana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-10 03:39 PM
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76. White collar crime PAYS -BIG!
And this will ensure that it continues to. Pfft.
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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-10 04:01 PM
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77. someone needs to photoshop the AIG execs together with the Taliban
at least then they'd never see the light of day again
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Duer 157099 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-10 06:33 PM
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79. But smoke a joint and you go to fucking prison
Help! I need to get off this planet of insanity!!
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Francisco Donating Member (132 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-10 12:53 AM
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81. Can we sue the government..
and get our tax money back? lol wow I'm speechless...
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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-10 04:28 AM
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84. actually, yeah...
talk about an enormous undertaking, but yes, it can be done. Sadly, the way things are, you question whether or not they'd just throw out the case...
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stuart68 Donating Member (556 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-10 06:41 AM
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86. Obama says one thing and does another
Guantanamo Bay, Don't ask, Terrorist trials, on and on and on.

Who'd a thunk it ?

Oh, yeah, let's resurrect that list of accomplishments like Justice Sotomayor (good butcertainly not a difficult accompliahment).
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tango-tee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-10 07:08 AM
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87. No surprise here, only disgust.
There are no words...
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laylah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-10 10:33 AM
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90. Why am I not surprised? nt
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Doremus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-10 10:53 AM
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91. These fvcking 'investigation' charades are a farce.
Do they really think anyone thought they would do the right thing?

It's nauseating.
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ProudDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-10 01:46 PM
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96. Completely Logical
Edited on Sun May-23-10 01:47 PM by ProudDad
In a corporate state, making money by any means necessary IS the point of the exercise.

These guys were just "doing their job" and pumping up the capitalist Ponzi scheme...

The SYSTEM worked...just as it was designed to do...

This is a document designed to protect white, male, property owners' privilege...it has served its purpose well and continues to do so.
http://www.usconstitution.net/const.html
Too bad we can't have a democracy, hmmm?


Don't like it...change the system; locally: www.transitionus.org
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Ardent15 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-10 02:27 PM
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97. More Change (TM) we can believe in
nt
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-10 04:38 PM
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98. What a disgusting pile of poop!!!!!!!!!!
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classysassy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-10 02:03 AM
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99. Well in America
its stil a fact rich crooks go free.
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boppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-10 02:11 AM
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100. Mens Rea
Learn it or suffer a lifetime of confusion about "injustice".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mens_rea
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-10 02:52 PM
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114. There was mens rea aplenty.
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Steerpike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-10 05:07 AM
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101. unfortunately
Edited on Mon May-24-10 05:14 AM by Steerpike
what they did was legal...from what i understand...will there be reforms? probably only superficial...we are easily disposed of...they $$$$ are not...
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-10 02:01 PM
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106. Welcome to the United Corporate States of America.
Where "too large to fail" corporations are ALL above the law. :grr: :nuke: :grr:
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-10 02:55 PM
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115. Change we can bereave in.
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-10 02:58 PM
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116. this country is fascist... corporations and their rich pigs call the shots
and this admin is bought and sold.
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