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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-10 01:55 PM
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La. scientist locates another (3rd) vast oil plume in the gulf
Source: Washington Post

La. scientist locates another vast oil plume in the gulf

By David A. Fahrenthold and Juliet Eilperin
Washington Post Staff Writer
Friday, May 28, 2010; 1:09 PM

A day after scientists reported finding a huge "plume" of oil extending miles east of the leaking BP well, on Friday a Louisiana scientist said his crew had located another vast plume of oily globs, miles in the opposite direction.

James H. Cowan Jr., a professor at Louisiana State University, said his crew on Wednesday found a plume of oil in a section of the gulf 75 miles west of the source of the leak.

Cowan said that his crew sent a remotely controlled submarine into the water, and found it full of oily globules, from the size of a thumbnail to the size of a golf ball. Unlike the plume found east of the leak -- in which the oil was so dissolved that contaminated water appeared clear -- Cowan said the oil at this site was so thick that it covered the lights on the submarine.

"It almost looks like big wet snowflakes, but they're brown and black and oily," Cowan said. The submarine returned to the surface entirely black, he said.

Read more: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/05/28/AR2010052802346.html?nav=rss_email/components
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maddezmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-10 01:57 PM
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1. oh dear god
:(
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Juneboarder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-10 01:59 PM
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2. Nothing to look at here, folks. Move along...
:sarcasm:
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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-29-10 03:26 AM
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32. Actually, there really is nothing to do
What should have happened - no deep water drilling already happened. Now, we reap what we have sown. The Gulf is being murdered and there is nothing anyone can do but hopefully learn.
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golddigger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-10 02:01 PM
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3. Chill out! BP's got this.
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-10 02:05 PM
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4. The dolphins, the whales, the fish... Way to go! Trust BP n/t
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katsy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-10 02:05 PM
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5. I have a dumb ? about this:
If the oil bleeds out, what fills that gap below the surface where the oil once was?

Can this cause an earthquake of sorts?
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closeupready Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-10 03:25 PM
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14. That's actually a good question.
One I've wondered myself.
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BelgianMadCow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-10 03:45 PM
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17. if that could easily cause an earthquake, we would be seeing 'em all the time
since it's the leak which is special - not the emtying of the formation.

The formation isn't a big cavern or something : form wikipedia:

"Three conditions must be present for oil reservoirs to form: a source rock rich in hydrocarbon material buried deep enough for subterranean heat to cook it into oil; a porous and permeable reservoir rock for it to accumulate in; and a cap rock (seal) or other mechanism that prevents it from escaping to the surface. Within these reservoirs, fluids will typically organize themselves like a three-layer cake with a layer of water below the oil layer and a layer of gas above it, although the different layers vary in size between reservoirs. Because most hydrocarbons are lighter than rock or water, they often migrate upward through adjacent rock layers until either reaching the surface or becoming trapped within porous rocks (known as reservoirs) by impermeable rocks above. However, the process is influenced by underground water flows, causing oil to migrate hundreds of kilometres horizontally or even short distances downward before becoming trapped in a reservoir. When hydrocarbons are concentrated in a trap, an oil field forms, from which the liquid can be extracted by drilling and pumping."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petroleum#Crude_oil_reservoirs
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katsy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-10 04:17 PM
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20. Okay.
The question and answer aren't stupid at all.

I am just not understanding any of it.

But thanks anyway!
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BelgianMadCow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-10 04:20 PM
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21. think of the oil reservoir as an oil-filled rock sponge
without the oil, there is still the dry rock sponge left, not just a big hole
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katsy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-10 04:22 PM
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22. I understand.
Thanks for your patience.
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izquierdista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-10 04:59 PM
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26. A sponge that is squeezed
If you have ever seen those sponges that are flat as a credit card and swell up when water is added -- picture that in reverse and you have what happens when oil is sucked out. If you drill a perfectly round hole in the wall of a mine, after a few months the hole is oval from the pressure of the overburden. How fast it closes up completely depends on the depth of the mine and the hardness of the strata.
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greiner3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-10 05:21 PM
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27. From what I understand;
And I'm no expert, the oil does not exist in a cavern. It is held within porous rock/material and the pressure exerted on this rock causes the oil to have energy. This energy is then directed in such a way as to pump the oil upward. What's left is porous rock that becomes saturated with saltwater. This is also a way that land reservoirs of oil become depleted. Saltwater is pumped into the field and the resulting pressure forces oil to the surface.

Then again I may not be totally correct.
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FLPanhandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-10 02:06 PM
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6. That's one more area BP and their Coast Guard lackies will keep scientists & journalists out of now.
I'm sure Admiral Allens phone is ringing right now with a call from BP HQ.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-10 02:12 PM
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7. And clean up ships are rushing toward it as we speak? Right?
Then when?
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-10 02:20 PM
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8. The Well is closed. No other oil is flowing.
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closeupready Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-10 03:27 PM
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15. Ah, I see. The Well is closed. The Welll is closed.
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-10 02:32 PM
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9. The number of "plumes" from this one leak will of course increase over time as
the oil spreads outward. Not sure why the panic. The sheer amount of oil involved is reason enough to be concerned - that it spreads in plumes is not.
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Downwinder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-10 02:43 PM
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10. No problem. The only thing west is Texas.
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DavidDvorkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-10 03:14 PM
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11. We don't know if this is from the BP well
That's actually the best-case scenario. There could be many of these plumes, coming from many different leaks that we don't know about.
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-10 03:18 PM
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12. All the plumes are vast
And the cops are gay.

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kimmerspixelated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-10 04:38 PM
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23. Wow! That's some picture!
Words can't describe!...Real Ballsy????
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-10 05:26 PM
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28. For some reason, whenever I hear anything that could be the first line of "California Dreaming",
My brain makes the second line "and the cops are gay".

This has been happening to me for several years now, and watching Reno 911 has not helped.
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Stardust Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-10 07:12 PM
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29. Hilarious.
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Kingofalldems Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-10 03:19 PM
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13. When will Rove and the media blame it on Obama?
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-10 03:40 PM
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16. everything is just fine... BP will clean it up in weeks
:sarcasm:
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BelgianMadCow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-10 03:51 PM
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18. what is also important in these plumes (which are not pure oil!)
Edited on Fri May-28-10 03:51 PM by BelgianMadCow
but oil in dispersion - oil droplets suspended in water) is the amount of oild they contain. Have seen that being reported as in the parts per billion range in one of the earlier plumes, here it's clearly another thing - much higher oil % - and the less dense type can coagulate (droplets coming together) to form this type, which oceanographers "prefer" in the sense that at least it leaves a "clear" water layer below. Obviously, the PR is much worse...

Very small droplets are problematic in the sense they can more easily enter through gills and the like.

Asides of the oil %, the dispersant is another thing - and not measured at all insofar as I know - where the oil is toxic in the 200 parts per million range and Corexit at 2 ppm.
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Dr.Phool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-10 04:07 PM
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19. BP has already banned aircraft and photographers.
Now, they'll ban boats, submarines, and scientists.
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kimmerspixelated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-10 04:39 PM
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24. What right do they have to ban anyone??
PUBLIC WATERS!!!
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FLPanhandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-10 04:44 PM
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25. When they have the Coast Guard in the back pocket
That makes it easier for them.
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Gin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-10 09:05 PM
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30. can't boats suck up these plumes?
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-29-10 01:08 AM
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31. IMO, anyone connected to BP hierarchy is going to be in hiding .....
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