BREAKING: Israel to deport ALL activists seized on Gaza flotilla

[Poll_Blind]

Source: Haaretz

All 680 activists will be released, including two dozen Israel had threatened to prosecute on charges of assaulting troops.

Israel will immediately deport hundreds of foreign activists seized aboard a six-ship humanitarian aid flotilla seized in an Israel Navy raid en route to the Gaza Strip, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu decided late Tuesday.

In the face of mounting world criticism of Monday's assault, Israeli officials said all 680 activists held would be released, including two dozen Israel had threatened earlier to prosecute charging they had assaulted its troops.

"It was agreed that the detainees would be deported immediately," Nir Hefez, a spokesman for Netanyahu, said in a written statement to reporters. Netanyahu made the decision after consultations with his top ministers.



Read more: www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/israel-to-deport-all-activists-seized-on-gaza-flotilla-1.293634

[Recursion]

1. How do you "deport" someone you kidnapped and dragged to your country?

Seriously, do words even mean things anymore?

[Poll_Blind]

3. What it means is international pressure to release those kidnapped worked!

This also could be a softening of the Netanyahu government, hopefully one which will benefit Israel, the Palestinians, The United States and the rest of the world.

PB

[harkadog]

12. What pressure?

Do you seriously think Israel was going to keep those people? That because of pressure they decided to deport them rather than keep them? WTF

[Poll_Blind]

24. LOL, you make no sense, Sir or Madam! n/t

PB

[Poll_Blind]

32. YNet: "Israel freeing flotilla detainees "

From YNet]

Prime Minister Netanyahu orders release, deportation of activists arrested during raid on Gaza-bound ships in attempt to exercise political damage control. Some 620 people expected to leave Israel within 48 hours

--snip--

The cabinet's decision stemmed form the overwhelming international pressure on Israel following the raid's tragic results – nine fatalities and dozens of casualties.

Barak, Yishai and Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman supported the move in an attempt to exercise political damage control.

--snip--

The majority of those debarked from the flotilla's ships are set to leave the Ela Prison, near Beersheba, overnight, en route to Ben-Gurion International Airport.


The majority of detainees are expected to leave Israel within 36 hours - 72 hours after being detained, as required by law.


Israel came under unprecedented international pressure to release the foreign nationals detained during the operation.

:shrug:

PB

[harkadog]

38. So you really think Israel was going to keep those people.

What do you think they were going to do with them? Ransom them? I am sure you come up with some good ideas.

[Mechatanketra]

47. Label them terrorist allies and lock them in an oubliette?

It's what the USA would do.

[quakerboy]

49. Did you read the OP?

First sentance after the title. Its in bold. The part after the comma....

"including two dozen Israel had threatened to prosecute on charges of assaulting troops."

What do you assume they would generally do with someone they had prosecuted?

[harkadog]

59. I would assume they would do what the U.S. almost always does in a similar situation.

And almost any other democratic country also, deport them after prosecution. If it was one of the Arab dictatorship they would be executed.

[LakeSamish706]

5. Is'nt that amazing.. lol... Deport someone you kidnapped off of the High Seas.

Hmmm How the hell does that work anyway?

[ladjf]

7. "Release" would have been the more precise word. nt

[ixion]

16. yep. That is the word.

After which, the word should be 'lawsuit'

[Vinnie From Indy]

2. I guess BiBi didn't want kidnapping charges added to his horrific tally of death and destruction.

n/t

[subsuelo]

13. I doubt he cares about that n/t

[Chulanowa]

4. Well, that's good

I think someone in the country that uses kidnappings as pretext for leveling cities had a lightbulb come on over their head.

[Poll_Blind]

6. Here is an accounting of those released, by nation:

Australia 3; Azerbaijan 2; Italy 6; Indonesia 12; Ireland 9; Algeria 28; United States 11; Bulgaria 2; Bosnia 1; Bahrain 4; Belgium 5; Germany 11; South Africa 1; Holland 2; United Kingdom 31; Greece 38; Jordan 30; Kuwait 15; Lebanon 3; Mauritania 3; Malaysia 11; Egypt 3; Macedonia 3; Morocco 7; Norway 3; New Zealand 1; Syria 3; Serbia 1; Oman 1; Pakistan 3; Czech Republic 4; France 9; Kosovo 1; Canada 1; Sweden 11; Turkey 380; Yemen 4.

I count members from 37 different nations.

PB

[Vinnie From Indy]

8. Coalition of the Courageous

Israel has really stepped in it this time.

[davidinalameda]

33. how many of those countries don't recognize the right of Israel to exist

I'm seeing at least a handful

[Poll_Blind]

37. I'm not sure what that has to do with anything. What does that have to do with anything? n/t

PB

[davidinalameda]

40. not much

just asking

[quakerboy]

50. How many of those countries are/have been major Israeli Allies?

I'm seeing at least a handful

[parkia00]

52. Don'y ya know?

There is a big difference between not having official diplomatic ties with Israel versus "don't recognize the right of Israel to exist"?

[snappyturtle]

9. If deporting means admitting being in the country illegally, Israel wins.

I can imagine that these humanitarians want to go home. Unfortunately, ten years from now, Israel can say, "Remember the 680 people who in 2010 illegally entered into Israel......." as a pretext or excuse for another vengeful act. imho

[Poll_Blind]

11. No, none of these folks have likely signed anything and Israel may still not know who...

...they are. There were about 50-80 who did sign the papers Israeli officials handed them stating blah blah, but these people are not those.

PB

[EFerrari]

14. It's possible that some of that group had agreed ahead of time

among themselves to sign off on what the Israelis demanded so they could get back sooner and be debriefed, allowing the rest of the group to resist.

[Poll_Blind]

15. Very good point. There were others, btw, like Paul McGeough from the Sydney...

...Morning Herald who were doing everything in their power to prevent deportation under any circumstance so that they could legally challenge Israel's kidnapping of them from the high seas in Israeli courts.

Check out that link, fascinating stuff...

PB

[EFerrari]

17. I will! Thank you for the link. n/t

[Downwinder]

29. Sort of "Ransom of Red Chief."

[doublethink]

10. So Israel is releasing the hostages.

good news.

[peacetalksforall]

18. Are they going to tear up the 'confessions' that some of them signed? Are they going to get

their phones, computers, cameras back without traces of having been scanned and copied?

They were going to Gaza and now they are being deported by Israel - which means one thing - Gaza is under Israei rule - 100%.

I am disgusted with the leader and his followers, not all believe in him - the Israelis with the hearts and love that they were born with don't follow him..

[AwareOne]

19. Israel is a rogue, terrorist nation

by the definitions we apply to any other nation. They conduct international assassination, they violate air spaces and bomb other nations at will and they harbor an illegal nuclear arsenal that they obtained in part through espionage on the United States. If this were any other nation we would have invaded them long ago and yet we continue to give them unconditional support. I am sick of supporting their murder with my tax dollars. We need to cut off all aid to Israel now and let them twist in the wind.

[EFerrari]

21. I've been thinking about my longtime support for Israel

dating back to when I was barely out of my teens, and realizing that it's gone. Or, that my faith in the whole project has been decimated.

And I wonder if this is how early backers of the Soviet Union felt when they realized how thoroughly the government had been co-opted and how violent it had become, how counter to the well being of the people.

There were a lot of American communists and socialists that backed the revolution. And then, there was a falling off as the reports of malfeasance and atrocities began rolling in. I wonder if this is how they felt.

[Tesha]

20. "So now it's all okay, right?

Maybe everybody can forget what happened and we can all go
back to the way things were? Okay?"

Sorry, no, it doesn't work that way. Crimes against international
law were committed, and an attack launched against a ship sailing
under the flag of a NATO country.

Tesha

[EFerrari]

22. The names of the dead haven't even been released yet.

If they think this is going away, they are very much mistaken.

[Poll_Blind]

27. I'm not sure who you are addressing. Who are you addressing? Because I...

...don't think anyone here is daft enough to believe that releasing the hostages is going to somehow undo the severity of the repercussions which still face the Israeli government over the deaths, the action itself (in international waters), etc...

PB

[Tesha]

55. I wasn't addressing anyone in particular; I was speculating on Israel's next statement...

...(or next sentence in the current statement).

That is, their hope that, indeed, this new action would
make the world "officially forget" the immediately-previous
attrocities. And while you say no one will, we have the
evidence of years that many either will forget or will pretend
to forget. Until Israel's next attrocity when the whole cycle
will repeat.

Tesha

[Tripmann]

23. They've released their kidnap victims

as their media campaign is complete and the information blackout from their victims is no longer required. Their politicians carpet bombed the world press with their versin of events and their propaganda machine have got their talking points.

[David__77]

25. "Freed" not "deported."

They are prisoners being freed.

[Poll_Blind]

34. LBN rules state my topic must match the topic of the article posted. Not my call, unfortunately.

PB

[David__77]

36. Oh I know... thank you.

I appreciate the post.

[stray cat]

26. If I am arrested but turn out to be innocent was I kidnapped?

[EFerrari]

28. If the arrest was illegal in the first place, you have a case for unlawful detention, yes. nt

[Truth2Tell]

51. If you are arrested by your next door neighbor

who's not actually a cop, but just happens to have a big gun and a cell in his basement, then yes, you were kidnapped.

[Duer 157099]

30. Here's a thought experiment, play along

What if Israel killed all of these captured "activists"? I mean, what if they concocted some sort of story about a revolt or whatever, doesn't matter, but what if all 680 "activists" ended up dead?

Here's the question: What would we or anyone do?

Don't question the premise, it's a given in this experiment. I'm asking what the response would be. I mean, a realistic response.

[Ohio Joe]

44. Response by who?

America? Probably a stern talking to. Other countries in the ME? Probably war.

[Pavulon]

46. Pretty sure if you can torpedo a S. Korean warship. You can torpedo

a civilian vessel. Why would they do that? Does you post have a point?

[Ohio Joe]

57. Yes, it does

I was responding to a hypothetical question.

[Joe Bacon]

56. AIPAC has bought off American politicians

So you know America would be silent. AIPAC bought the best Congress money can buy.

[Festivito]

31. Deported from where? Gaza or Israel? /nt

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35. From Israel. Legally, they never actually entered Israeli territorial...

...waters. They were set upon in international waters, some of them killed, the rest taken back to Israel under force.

PB

[harkadog]

60. Gaza is Israel.

[Heywood J]

39. "including two dozen Israel had threatened earlier to prosecute charging they had assaulted its troo

charging they had assaulted its troops."

If it's wartime (in order to claim the blockade is legitimate), you don't get to charge the "enemy" troops for attacking your own. The only way to do that would be to claim it's a peacetime police action, which would negate the purported legality of the blockade. You don't get to blockade your neighbors in peacetime. That would make the state officially guilty of piracy, murder, and kidnapping.

[Darth_Kitten]

41. But apparently, unlike any other country, they get to do whatever they want...

:sarcasm:

[No Elephants]

53. Unlike any other? We seem to do okay.

[defendandprotect]

42. After torturing them . . . ??? Can anyone vouch for the treatment of these activists ....

by Israel?

[anigbrowl]

43. as soon as they leave Israel they'll be able to tell you themselves

Do you ever think anything through before posting?

[Pavulon]

45. I bet they were waterboarded with Matzah Ball Soup

oh the humanity.

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[Ignis]

58. Israeli troops beat the peace activists while in custody

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=124x316556

[defendandprotect]

61. Sad -- frightening -- and thank you for putting light on this --

[Ignis]

62. Well, as much light as filters into the I/P dungeon, at least.

But we try, don't we? :hug:

[defendandprotect]

63. Thank you --

:)

[New Dawn]

48. Israel still committed piracy, kidnapping, and murder (acts of war against the US).

This changes nothing. Sanctions must be placed on the Zionist regime.