Package Bomb Goes Off At Oil Executives Home

[EmeraldCityGrl]

Source: Rawstory

A seemingly anonymous gift left on the front porch of a Houston home owned by an oil company executive has the city's affluent population of oil profiteers on edge this weekend, after that package exploded and seriously injured a 62-year-old woman.

Neighbors of the victim told an ABC News affiliate in Houston that the bomb was disguised as a box of chocolates in a gift bag, left on the home's doorstep around Thursday.

Neighbors of the victim told an ABC News affiliate in Houston that the bomb was disguised as a box of chocolates in a gift bag, left on the home's doorstep around Thursday.

Instead, it contained what authorities described as a pipe bomb carrying a load of thumb tacks and nails. When she opened the package on Friday evening, standing on her back porch around 6:30, it resulted in shrapnel embedded across the woman's face -- injuries police said were not life-threatening.

"It wasn't immediately clear whether the house was targeted, however, Eyewitness News found out the home is owned by an oil company executive," the ABC affiliate further noted.

Read more: http://rawstory.com/rs/2010/0711/package-bomb-houston-oil-company-executives-home/

[hlthe2b]

1. hmmmm...

:shrug:

Certainly can't condone (and I definitely don't), but certainly can understand the motivation..

[Richardo]

8. The motivation to spray a 62 year old woman with shrapnel?

That's disturbing.

[hlthe2b]

9. I did not defend the action and I believe

that you know that. There is a big damned difference between having an understanding as to what might drive someone to commit a criminal act and condoning it. Do you believe FBI profilers or prosecutors are also defending the act when they put forth a possible motivation? REALLY?

[Richardo]

16. Putting forth a possible motivation does not mean 'understanding' it.

I do not understand the motivation to randomly kill someone. I can identify motives, but I can't understand them.

[hlthe2b]

18. So everyone who tries to "identify," "understand" or otherwise

define motivations is somehow justifying it? That is an incredibly sanctimonious and insulting attitude towards others that I really do not appreciate. Good night.

[Divine Discontent]

80. yep, an unstable person's bottled up anger over whatever in their life or whatever just made them

lash out improperly at the "visible" source of frustration in this country. Big Oil is the country's (govt's) big nemesis in getting things done right.

I pray the lady survives. That is a really stupid thing to do. They were cowardly in doing what they did. It wasn't her fault. Like someone else said, they didn't aim the anger properly.

[SkyDaddy7]

89. Whatever! Some folks are just itching to...

jump on someone! I knew exactly what you were saying as you made it 110% clear on your first post...It is sad that you had to defend your comment was there was no need to.

[backtomn]

156. I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE MOTIVATION !!!!

A person thinking that this is a reasonable response to almost anything is inexplicable. The notion that this might help your cause is ridiculous. God help us if this type of person like this disagrees with something I believe. Unacceptable. Try again.

One can feel helpless about this unstoppable oil spill, but I cannot understand this response, nor can I understand that someone would want to understand it.

[Confusious]

213. nor can I understand that someone would want to understand it.

That statement is scarier then the bombing. If you don't understand the motivations, then you will never stop the actions.

[superconnected]

182. You're the only one looking sanctimonious.

Really, I bet the person who made the package wasn't planning for a 62yo woman to open it.

I don't condone it at all, but I also understand the motivation that would lead to someone trying this. Ie Ecoterrorists - although I don't like that they burn down houses etc., they seem perfectly sane when they explain why. I get their reasons, I don't like how they lash out as it could harm someone though.

I mean, google ELF and read their website. They have some convincing reasons behind their actions.

[HillbillyBob]

210. Before we start calling it ELFs doing. Then on the other hand

BP has pissed a lot of people off, rage, desperation at seeing your job and lively hood , if you were a shrimper, fisherman or even someone who makes their living off crawldads from the bayou, or a small hotel/motel/guesthouse owner or any other working person who has lost out say in Katrina then this..
Recall there are a lot of teahadists in those areas too.
Desperate people do desperate things. legal or not.
Corporations have been pissing in our water, soil and land for 150 yrs since the beginning of the industrial revolution..there is a lot more 'blame' to hand industries, they should be tried for crimes or their officers. Especially in messes like they are making here, their should have been regulations in place so lets just gin up that its ecology folks that blew up and sank the Deepwater Horizon, not the negligence of BP/Haliburton/Trans ocean and all those other oil folks.

I have watched my life go down the tubes through circumstances not of my making it gets pretty bad when you have lost your job, transport, home and business(side line) over a couple of months time because you got sick or got laid off at just the wrong time. Most of these folks are still worn down from Katrina and Rita and then the economy bust..now this. I have not been to the gulf in a few years, but I think I could get pretty enraged and stupid..good thing im too old to get into much trouble.

I am in no way excusing planting a bomb, just that I have a pretty good idea of what it would take to lash out and not think about it. Though putting together that kind of thing takes planning..(im lucky if i can plan 4 hrs out anymore)

[superconnected]

211. I don't think it was elf. That was an example. I think everyone considers this someone against oil

because of BP.

[truth2power]

207. I get what you're saying. I don't know why we have to keep re-visiting

this notion. Those on this thread who think there's a problem with understanding motivation should consider this:

<snip>

For all the endless, exciting talk about the latest Terrorist attack, one issue is, as usual, conspicuously absent: motive. Why would a young Nigerian from a wealthy, well-connected family want to blow himself on one of our airplanes along with 300 innocent people, and why would Saudi and Yemeni extremists want to enable him to do so? When it comes to Terrorism, discussions of motive have been declared more or less taboo from the start because of the dishonest equation of motive discussions with justification -- as though understanding the reasons why X happens is to posit that X is legitimate and justifiable. Causation simply is; it has nothing to do with issues of morality, blame, or justification. Yet all that is generally permitted to be said in such situations is that Terrorists try to harm us because they're Evil, and we (of course) are not, and that's generally the end of the discussion.
 Glenn Greenwald. “Cause and Effect in the Terror War” 12/29/09

edit> tried to underline portion of excerpt

[maxsolomon]

214. we had the same arguments after 9/11

those who tried to understand the motives of the attackers, and devise a long-term strategy to eliminate those motives, were dismissed as cowards. the proper response was to kick some ass, any ass, in the muslim world.

and here we are today. any closer to the goal?

[stevietheman]

130. How was it "random" -- the target was seemingly clear here. n/t

n/t

[Richardo]

136. Semantics is fun, isn't it?

Bombers may have 'targets', but they have no idea who will be actually be injured or killed. That's pretty random.

[valerief]

173. Just like our military. nt

[Richardo]

190. Read this.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=4460972&mesg_id=4461168

[L0oniX]

209. +1000000

[sasquuatch55]

196. Collateral damage; isn't that our militarys reasoning. What gives them the right?

nt

[pscot]

201. +1

n/t

[Richardo]

203. I doubt this guy has directed any drone strikes either.

That's the third time I've seen that irrelevant canard in this thread.

But, total irrelevancy aside, you would have this guy pay for every government or corporate malfeasance with his life because some dimwitted malcontent sort of knows how to build a bomb? Not the world I want to live in.

[sasquuatch55]

270. Yoou are already here brother.

nt

[bemildred]

252. The target is clear, the motive is not.

Oil executives and their wives have had trouble in the past, when there was no gulf-oil spill.

http://www.worldlingo.com/ma/enwiki/en/Rat-shot

[Deep13]

186. Really? You have no understanding of anger or frustration?

Bullshit. We are all human and we all feel these things. Most of us do not respond with this kind of violence. To insist that understanding the motive for violence is somehow immoral in an of itself is disingenuous and more than a little conceited.

[Richardo]

189. I said 'randomly killing someone'. That's not merely 'anger or frustration'

Talk about disingenuous.

[Deep13]

194. Okay, I will.

The poster you are responding to said he or she did not condone the violence, but understood the motivation. We are talking about motives, not the attempt to kill someone. What feelings made the assailant do what he did? You're changing the subject.

[Richardo]

199. If the incident had been a flaming bag of dogshit I'd understand the motivation...

...misplaced as it is. Angry people do stupid things and often lash out at totally uninvolved parties.

But this is a bombing, a threat against an unknown person's life, and I cannot understand the motivation to do that.

Anger motivates both actions, and I understand anger - I experience it way too often for my own good. But I can't de-link the anger from the action, and I can't understand being angry enough to threaten the life of an unknown person.

[daleanime]

223. That's one very thin hair....

your trying to split.

[Warpy]

28. That's the problem, the victim is rarely the target

and was likely a cook or housekeeper.

While I understand the rage, I can't condone the means of expressing it.

[Dover]

42. They're saying it was his wife. The package had her name on it...misspelled.

See my post #31.

[HowHasItComeToThis]

72. THEY WILL CALL IT CLASS WARFARE. WATCH THE MEDIA RUN WITH THIS ONE

[zanana1]

97. BINGO! nt

[Enthusiast]

100. That is probably why right wing

operatives sent it in the first place.

[stlsaxman]

101. Precisely- environmentalists will now be called "terrists"...

[texastoast]

174. That's the plan

Whether or not an environmentalist had anything to do with it.

Smells like Rove.

[The Croquist]

180. Who ever did this is a terrorist

and they deserve to be tried for attempted murder.

[stlsaxman]

266. ... and my money would be on a GOP operative.

[RaRa]

105. Funny how that phrase is supposed to be inflaming

I totally agree that there is class warfare going on in the U.S. How can you not given what's been going on? Nah, it's like global warming. Yes, it sucks, but doesn't exist? Gimme a break.

[Warpy]

202. Left on the back door with her name on it

It sounds like they'll find it was a former domestic employee.

She was the intended target.

[Name removed]

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[LisaL]

14. Enough of this nonsense.

[Psephos]

51. Here's the company's website. Click through the projects, then tell us about your understanding.

http://www.energy.com.ph/our-projects/geothermal/

Be sure to follow the tabs at the top for geothermal, hydroelectric, and wind. Scroll the arrow bars to see the projects.

It sounds as if you don't know anything about the target except what you assumed, and that your assumptions are wrong.

It's easy to hate...it requires only a belief, a slogan, and a villain. It's hard to understand...that requires stepping out of a schema and thinking for yourself.

[hlthe2b]

56. Perhaps if you realize that this thread was started as a LBN

You now have the luxury to post snarky replies with the advantage of more information having been released. Your post is rude and dismissive... and uncalled for.

[ericthehalfabee]

57. I agree...

I caught your meaning.

[ericthehalfabee]

267. Eds....

Thanks for the edit.

A good call, in retrospect. I was just in a pissy mood. Props.

[Psephos]

62. Try Google News, as I did.

No luxury involved, unless you consider gathering facts before engaging keyboard a luxurious act.

As for rude posts, I found yours immediately offensive with its tacit undertones of understanding why someone might mail a bomb to someone they've never met. Anonymous bombing is an irrational act by definition, and attempts to defang it as contextually understandable weakens the moral imperative against such acts.

Perhaps if it were your mother who were maimed or killed you'd understand things a little differently. Perhaps not.

[hlthe2b]

87. NO INFORMATION was available at the time of this OP

Perhaps you'd like to go through the archives and play Monday morning quarterback on every single thread there. That's what you are doing. NO ONE and I repeat NO one is justifying this act. Your suggesting otherwise says more about you than anyone else on this thread, despite your disgusting attempt to personalize it.

[onenote]

106. and yet, with no information, you felt justified or compelled in offering a judgment

on an event you now admit you knew nothing about.

Interesting.

[backtomn]

157. Maybe.......

.....you should consider having relevant information before postion such a message.....just sayin'.

[spiritual_gunfighter]

119. Not only have your posts been rude

You had to drag the posters mother into a disgusting and horrific hypothetical. I feel like I need a shower after reading your posts.

[The Croquist]

183. Actually I think it was the attempted

murderer who brought the mother into it. Maybe you should consider what the attempted murderer did as "rude".

PS: It wasn't hypothetical to the woman who had the bomb blow up in her face.

[marketbreakaway]

122. Psephos - I agree - Plus I have something else to say

I most certainly do NOT see the motivation behind the bombing.

Even if the energy company did not have solar, geothermal and other divisions, even if the only thing the energy company did was drill for oil, that is NOT ILLEGAL and is NOT IMMORAL. Terrorism is BOTH.

Anyone who can see the motivation behind this crime had better turn off their computer, shut the lights, get on their bicycle and pedal their way back to the stone age.

[Schema Thing]

129. while I tend to agree with most of what you said...

.... I have to say that the way BP was drilling for oil? That is immoral. And *should* have been illegal.

[marketbreakaway]

166. Hell Yes! BP Style Drilling Should have been illegal

It should have been illegal, and certainly was immoral, for any corporation to take gigantic risks with the environment, or health and safety for that matter(don't forget the dead platform workers) without any kind of realistic plan for dealing with problems.

When there is no margin for error, when there is no cut off safety valve, when something cannot be undone, DO NOT DO IT!

[crim son]

111. Aren't you contradicting yourself?

You "understand" hate, which is no doubt the motivation for the act.

Stupid argument about semantice, really.

[drm604]

170. Where did you get that information?

According to the article linked in the OP, it's this company: http://www.adamsresources.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=99&Itemid=95

It's an oil exploration company, and it operates on the Gulf coast among other areas. None of which justifies a bombing or makes it understandable, but it's important to get the facts right.

Maybe I'm missing something here and you have information that I don't. I don't know.

[JDPriestly]

69. You have no clue as to the motivation. No one can.

It could be something we know nothing about.

This was an inexcusable act of cruelty. The person who did this may have known the people who lived in the house, but then again, they may not have known them. You just can't know why some person did this. The person who did it could be mentally ill or could simply be cruel.

At any rate, I am very sorry that this happened to this woman. Her neighbors seemed to like her and mentioned that she performed "random acts of kindness." Listen to the local newscast at the link.

You have no clue as to the motivation behind this act. Sometimes people are just cruel, just mean.

[roguevalley]

79. given it was oil company folks, I can make a guess it was about

the whole oil exploitation bullshit, bleed the country and world to death for a buck crowd they were aiming for. Someone wanted someone dead or maimed. They wanted the people inside to lose and/or suffer. Someone hates oil. Until more comes out, I don't know what to expect but it would be reasonable to suppose that it was about oil, how it treats us all and the world. I hope the rich bastards of that crowd cower under their beds. It could be someone fed up with rich fuckers destroying the world. Or it could be someone who dislikes that lady. I hope she recovers and her eyes aren't messed up.

[liberalmike27]

177. Might've been the Husband

It wouldn't be the first time someone tried to kill two birds with one stone, knock off the wife, collect insurance, and accuse someone of a random act of environmental terrorism. Their examples of "left-wing" violence had gotten rather thin. When you ask a conservative, they either go to tree-spiking, to painting SUVs, or all the way back to Vietnam in the 60s, to find examples of left-wing violence. Of course, that's always weak.

I have to say, bombing is such an random and loose delivery system. The motivation is clear, they wanted to strike out at oil companies, or their rulers. Not sure why anyone is arguing with that. Of course that was it, who would not understand it.

I've said for a while now, that we're heading for dystopia. There is always a fringe element out there, like on the right, with the church shooter, that will snap and do something terrible. It is usually a response to some severe injustice, and with this thing going on off the LA coast, well that's pretty severe.

If it was actually some enviro-nut, instead of the hubby (who knows), I'm sure it'll be widely demonized in the media, especially FOX.

[aquart]

220. My second thought.

But my first once I heard the package was addressed to this woman.

[stuart68]

88. I don't understand the motivation.

[Ozymanithrax]

2. Hopefully they find the terrorist who sent the bomb and send...

him or her away to a prison.

I have no use for oil executives and even less for in discriminant terrorists who send out bombs to blow up anyone who happens to be near.

Oil executives are a waste of space, people who send bombs are lower than oil executives.

[hlthe2b]

4. yes...

but this would be one trial that I would not be surprised to see result in jury nullification...

[Ozymanithrax]

5. And then they should try the jury....

A jury that would nullify this isn't interested in justice and is every bit as cowardly and wrong as the bomber.

There is no appropriate motivation for sending a bomb to blow up someone. None. If the oil executive broke a law try them, but sending a bomb is wrong on every conceivable level.

[hlthe2b]

6. If you think one can try a jury for rendering a decision you disagree

with, I think you need to do a little studying up on our judicial system. While I agree that there is no justification for bombing anything or anyone, you and I are looking at this from a very different vantage point. We are not the family of a shrimper who is so hopeless as to be pushed to suicide, nor among the scores of people who day in and day out have become poisoned as they trawl the ocean on behalf of BP and see the devastation, including the horrendous impact on wildlife. If those were among the jury, I would not be surprised if they viewed a trial of such an offender as having extenuating circumstances--very much the same way as juries often see charges of attempted murder against the parent to a child victim of pedophilia or the spouse who assists their beloved terminally ill partner to commit suicide. When juries perceive these overwhelming extenuating circumstances, they sometimes engage in jury nullification. And unless the prosecutor can somehow gain a change in venue (assuming that would be helpful), there is not a thing that can be done about it. Just sayin... :shrug:

[Ozymanithrax]

10. I said that they should, not that they can.

The very idea that a jury would choose to nullify the trial a person that sent a pipe bomb to indiscriminately blow up anyone that opened it is abhorrent. I suppose a child that opened the pipe bomb and was blown to hell and gone that would be collateral damage. Perhaps he should have sent a bigger bomb to take down the house, or the whole neighborhood. After all, he was just an oil executive and anyone nearby deserves to be killed.

Because oil executives have done immoral things does not excuse sending a bomb. It does not provide motivation. Blowing up someone because you don't like them or what they did is unacceptable. There is no extenuating circumstance. Nullifying a verdict against the turd who did that would be no different than nullifying the verdict of Scott Roeder. Many though he had extenuating circumstances. They were wrong.

[CLANG]

15. I've seen no one on this thread condoning or excusing

either the terrorist, or the possible jury nullification. Regardless, I agree with everything you said.

[EmeraldCityGrl]

11. If people saw that justice you speak of,

distributed to politicians, celebrities and corporate criminals, they would not reach a point of near madness that would cause them to bomb someone's home.

BP will never be charged in a criminal court. Bush and Cheney will never be charged in a criminal court. Justice is for the masses.

[Ozymanithrax]

13. Sending a bomb isn't justice. Those who send bombs are not just...

they are criminals as bad or worse as those they bomb.

I oppose people who believed it was OK to send bombs to abortion clinics. These people are deluded into thinking that God wants them to save all those babies. They are the lowest and vilest form of scum. There is zero difference between a person who would blow up a oil executive and a person who would blow up an abortion clinic.

[EmeraldCityGrl]

17. Agreed. But it's a reflection of the culture we live in.

Many feel as strongly about the bombs in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Given what's going in in this country, I think people are relatively
civil.

[Ozymanithrax]

20. I do not approve in indiscriminate bombing in Iraq, Afghanistan, or on

an oil executive's back porch. I am not worried with civil discourse, or vigorous protest. Bombing people isn't civil.

Who ever did this needs to be sent away for a very long time.

[MedicalAdmin]

144. To paraphrase John Adams

Were he alive today he might say that " we are no longer a nation of laws. We are a nation of men."

Justice is equally applied or it is not justice. The rich get away criminal acts daily and while bombing is indefensible, it does illuminate the growing chasm between how the rich are preferentially treated and how the rest of us are told to suck it. The belief that the rich are writing the law so that their criminal behavior is no longer criminal by legislative edict has validity. One is not a criminal if one writes the laws in such a way that one is exempted from jurisprudence.

I believe you may actually believe that the law treats the rich as the rest of us.

[liberalmike27]

205. Agreed

MedicalAdmin, spot-on.

Laws have been written where the rich can run roughshod over the poor and the middle class, and have. Class warfare has been clearly waged, and the lower and middle classes are nearly decimated. It isn't even up for debate. My FB site is rife with articles about it, about just how much they have, about the nearly five million millionaires, and the over hundred Billionaires.

We can't go on this way. I've not suggested this, but I have seen for quite some time, a breaking point will occur, where a fringe element will begin to take action.

Bombing is a stupid way to do it. He might've killed a maid, or butler, or child, and as he did, he hurt the guy's wife. Everyone else is right too, he'll be reviled in the media, especially FAUX, which makes it ironic, since O'Reilly was largely responsible for inciting Tiller to shoot all those folks worshipping in the church.

[dencol]

49. What are the chances of a trial?

This is probably the result of systematic denial of justice. Everybody knows that the rich are relatively free to do as they wish as the rest of us are threatened with harsh sentences for menial crimes. This sort of thing is perfectly predictable. I'm surprised it hasn't happened much sooner, even though it is a terrible thing to do.

[Voltaire]

121. What if the LAW is broken?

And we know that it is, and we know that NO oil executive will be tried for anyting. This is America, after all. What THEN must we do to make them stop eh?

[liquid diamond]

46. People are angry. I don't condone what happened, but I don't

feel sorry these people.

[burnsei sensei]

117. The righteous anger of the impoverished

in this country, and I include here the middle-class, which has been impoverished, made poorer, has been ignored and even ridiculed for too long.
There is only one thing that speaks from the bottom to the top, that is demonstrations and if they are ineffectual, outright force.
Ignore the people?
Serious mistake!

[burnsei sensei]

118. That being said,

I still strongly suspect the crime was of a personal nature.

[liquid diamond]

159. And I thought I had an unpopular opinion. It's nice to hear somebody agrees with me.

[cali]

93. wishful thinking on your part. If the prosecution provides solid evidence

there's not a chance the of nullification.

[Name removed]

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[eridani]

85. Your typical low information sociopaths unfortunately do not have a clue--

--about ways to use their anger constructively.

[zanana1]

99. That's what some people thought in the 60's.

It harmed the anti-war effort and turned the nation against anti-war people. The use of violence tore the movement apart. I'd really hate to see that philosophy repeated.

[stray cat]

107. That is the same defense people use who kill abortion doctors

they are killing doctors to save fetuses because the government won't change the law. Tea partiers threaten Obama - they need to get rid of him to save their country. Why should your opinion of when violence is necessary be any better than theirs?

[Chulanowa]

86. Maybe they could buy him a villa in Spain instead

or did the bomber not kill / injure enough poor people to qualify for the grand prize?

[Raoul]

95. Oh puleezze already..

I've been wondering why this sort of thing hasn't happened earlier. And there is absolutely nothing lower than an oil executive so stop apologizing for free market whores..

[Richardo]

127. "...nothing lower than an oil executive."

Wow.

And where on this rather astonishing morality scale of yours would you put the 62-year-old woman who lives in his household?

[Gecko6400]

181. Gee, I always

thought that a serial child rapist might be lower. But what do I know?

Lot's of really stupid comments being posted in this thread.

[UpInArms]

3. (2x) hmmmm......

:shrug:

[Richardo]

7. Bombers are the lowest of the cowards

I hope they find them soon and put them away for a good long time.

[OutNow]

47. Yes they are - including the ones that send drones

to blow up a wedding party in Pakistan. How cowardly is that?

[Richardo]

90. Not really the subject here - try and focus

And no, I do not support drone attacks on wedding parties, so don't even try that.

[stray cat]

108. Focus on DU isn't much better than focus by tea partiers or free republic

[Richardo]

128. I'm hip.

[jwirr]

12. These things happen when there is no legal path open to get justice.

I am thinking of the Reign of Terror in France. Unfortunately this was bound to happen sooner or later. I hope they find the bomber and I hope the lady recovers.

[LisaL]

19. What in the world does this have to do with justice?

[hlthe2b]

21. Enough of this nonsense...

hmmm :eyes:

[LisaL]

22. Is that the best you can do? Just repeat what I said?

Really?

[hlthe2b]

24. your comment was inexplicable but apparently meaningful to you

So, I thought I'd oblige.

[Wilms]

27. It kindof comes of badly.

Like someone who can't handle reality jumping up and saying, "Enough of this nonsense".

Just because you can't make any sense out of it doesn't mean other members of the forum should switch off their brains and make like they can't do simple cause and effect analysis.

Heck. I feel as if I "understand" YOUR reaction well enough. And I don't particularly care for it either.

[LisaL]

29. So what is the motivation of someone sending a pipe bomb

that injures a 62 year old woman, apparently disguised a box of chocolates and addressed to that woman?
Do tell.

[Wilms]

34. They're really pissed off at the oil industry fucking up the planet.

And they react violently. They don't know, perhaps even care, that the device may hurt someone other than the intended target...not that it's cool either way.

So throw your hands in the air and say that you don't get it. OK. I get it. You don't get it.

[LisaL]

40. This guy doesn't even work for BP.

[Wilms]

45. That is among the things I also understand.

It's why I wrote "oil industry".

Again, I'm not at all ok with this. I just don't find myself surprised.

[BlancheSplanchnik]

54. someone other than the intended target-----

BUT, it was disguised as chocolates and adressed to the 62 yr old woman.

That tells me pretty definitively that she was indeed the target.

I doubt that she is making any CEO decisions regarding the oil industry, so to deliberately aim retribution against her seems much worse than reacting against whoever is the corporate exec. who is actually making the decisions to use the rest of the world as his personal spooge-rag.

[Wilms]

64. And the bad guy made the exec feel really upset.

That's what the bad guy apparently wanted to do.

Not cool. Not a mystery.

[BlancheSplanchnik]

260. men who want to shame and humiliate other men target their wives and lovers.

Historically, it has ever been thus.






Shame that historically, no one has ever seemed too concerned with how the women feel about this.

[safeinOhio]

92. Was there a note?

Everyone assumes it was because of oil. Might have owed the bookie a bunch or was involved in a love triangle. Who knows?

[ZenKitty]

268. Yes there was a note. It simply said...

"Thank You"

[Amaril]

168. That's what struck me

BUT, it was disguised as chocolates and adressed to the 62 yr old woman.

That tells me pretty definitively that she was indeed the target.

Everyone is assuming the attack had something to do with the husband working in the oil industry, but then why so specifically target his wife?

[Plucketeer]

204. IF it's a matter of someone targeting this woman,

it's a crime for the Houston police department to pursue. If it's intent was to threaten thru intimidation, I'm wondering what general will be assigned to lead the task force into Houston/Texas to rout the terrorist enclave.

[newspeak]

176. Yeah, it was addressed to the woman

how do we know that it's even about her husband being an oil executive. It could be someone in the bridge club that really can't stand her-it could even be her husband-I mean, what a great alibi-I'm in oil and I have lots of enemies now. What I'm attempting to say is there could be another motive besides the oil executive angle. It seems that the perp would have targeted the executive instead of his wife--the box of candy apparently was addressed to the wife.

It will be interesting to see the outcome.

[aquart]

219. Unless, of course, her oil exec husband is trying to take her out.

And, genius that he is, thought he had a foolproof plan that couldn't possibly go wrong.

[cali]

94. wow. that's some little crystal ball you have.

you have no idea what the motivation was. It could be anything.

[jwirr]

30. It doesn't but to people who are hurt and angry it can SEEM to be

the only justice they can get.

[socialist_n_TN]

163. I think this poster is referring to the fact

that if courts and laws don't lead to justice, other forms of justice (or revenge) will be tried by people who feel they've been made powerless BY the system.

I think this is a possible beginning of a anarchistic wave of violence targeting wealthy people and their stuff. Who knows? This might have been an attack on an executive by a former employee who felt he had a grievance. Instead of shooting up his PERSONAL office like has happened in the past, now s/he's going after the UPPER level management.

And of course, another possibility is that it was a plot by capitalists to implicate envioromentalists in preparation for a coming crackdown on dissent. This wouldn't surprise me either.

[liberalmike27]

218. Agreed Brother

I've been saying that it's a comin' down the road for a while now.

Historically, people who come under increasing poverty, who feel less and less power, do eventually in some small way, strike back in the only way they feel they can. It doesn't mean it's right, it's just a fact.

I don't much care for the bombing method, I'd think people would strike out more directly, at the people who really have attacked them over the years, exported their jobs, made terrible decisions in the supreme court to give companies so much power to pollute, and so little regulation.

Recently, the thuggish conservative five have allowed unlimited money to flow into the electoral system, giving them even more than their already wildly powerful influence.

Those five have more power to do evil than anyone in Congress right now, and are using it to their maximum ability. Hopefully, Obama will be able to appoint another judge during his term, or perhaps the next one, if he gets reelected. He may lose in the primary if he doesn't start paying a bit more attention to his base. Then maybe they can roll back some of the more onerous rulings.

[Ozymanithrax]

25. The Reign of Terror was perpetrated by the Revolutionary government,

and led by Maximilien Robespierre and the Committee of Public Safety. Some lone cowardly turd of a vigilante is not "The Reign of Terror." I oppose the government pulling out the Guillotine and cutting of the heads of oil executives or anyone else.

[jwirr]

33. I am aware of the difference but I was talking mostly about the fear

of these types of attacks bring to those likely to be the target. We do not have gated communities for nothing. People are already afraid and if this type of attack continues they will be more terrified. I doubt we will ever have a government run guillotine in this country but we may have more home grown terrorists.

[Ozymanithrax]

36. Then I support legal authorities hunting them down.

I opposed the bombing of abortion clinics and applauded when they found the assholes that did that. I oppose bombing oil executives for the same reason.

[jwirr]

179. I to oppose violent means of solving problems of any kind. I just do

not have much faith that it is not going to happen.

[stray cat]

110. Just like the those who kill abortion doctors or those who want their country back

from the dems. They can't do it by legal means to get their justice so they make up their own laws

[slackmaster]

148. What a perfectly duplicitous post!

These things happen when there is no legal path open to get justice.... ...I hope they find the bomber and I hope the lady recovers.

:rofl:

[pnwmom]

172. These things happen when sociopaths get hold of bomb materials. n/t

[fascisthunter]

255. very true... a reality that makes many very uncomfortable

very sad times we live in.

[Dover]

23. The home of James Brock Moore III, apparently.

Never heard of him or his company.


JAMES BROCK MOORE III was born in Cleveland, Texas in 1940. He attended St.
Thomas High School in Houston, Texas, graduating in 1959. He received his B.S. Degree in Mechanical Engineering from the University of Houston in 1964. Following graduation he was employed by Texaco Inc. in various engineering capacities. He joined Cabot Corporation in 1978 as Manager of Engineering of the oil and gas division, serving in that capacity until 1982 when he joined Texas Gas Exploration Corporation as Vice President of Operations and Engineering. From 1989 to 1996 Mr. Moore was Vice President of Operations for Energy Development Corp. He accepted the position of Senior Vice President with the Company in 1997 and was promoted to President in 1998. In his capacity with the Company, Mr. Moore oversees all oil and gas exploration and production operations.



http://www.adamsresources.com/index.php?option=com_contact&view=contact&id=26%3Ajames-brock-moore-iii&catid=46%3Aadams-resource-exploration&Itemid=119

[LisaL]

26. I would guess this might not have anything to do with BP.

[Dover]

31. No way to know, as yet. According to this source it was his wife that was injured.

I'm not familiar with this site, so can't vouch for its legitimacy. But it's a video.

http://freedomslighthouse.net/2010/07/11/wife-of-houston-oil-executive-injured-in-pipe-bomb-attack-at-their-home-video-report/

[LisaL]

32. If it were disgused as a box of candy, I can only guess that

someone did intend for the woman to open it up.
So as of now I really doubt this had anything to do with BP oil spill.

[Dover]

38. According to a neighbor the wife's name was on the package...misspelled.

So she might have been the target or just an easier target than her husband.

An article said:

One neighbor says there was a card attached that simply said, “Thank you.” It included the woman’s name, but it was misspelled. …

[clixtox]

75. I don't think it is likely related to the "oil industry" either!

For what my opinion is worth...

It just doesn't make any sense as some sort of political statement.

There are too many more germane "oil industry" targets readily at hand in Houston without much research needed, probably.

I am leaning towards this terroristic act being related to something personal in the victims life and not political at all.

[Dover]

53. Come to think of it, maybe the husband is the culprit

and that misspelled name was a sorry attempt to throw off police.
It wouldn't be the first time...

[jwirr]

35. Who was the woman? A relative?

[Lone_Star_Dem]

250. The tax records show the owners are

James Brock Moore III & Vennie Wolf. Looking up Ms Wolf shows a woman born Nov 1951 and sharing the same address as Mr Moore.

Looking a bit further I found where she was a 1970 graduate of Sam Houston HS. Her profile for SHHS graduates says as of July of 2009 she was married to Brock Moore.

http://www.samhoustontx.com/class_profile.cfm?member_id=1751883

Looks like she was his wife. :(

[alfredo]

37. He's president of Energy Development Corp. They develop Wind

Hydro and geothermal technology, along with gas and oil.

http://www.energy.com.ph/

I hope their environmental statement is more than green washing.

[DBoon]

39. A bunch of dead, oil-covered fish would be guerilla theater

A pipe bomb disguised as chocolates is just plain evil

[iamjoy]

43. +1,000

why does it have to be something so dangerous that could potentially seriously injure or kill people? If some one is so angry about the disaster in the Gulf and feels compelled to strike at oil executives in a news-worthy way, why not something gross but mostly harmless? I am thinking a booby trapped device that releases sour crude all over the executives lawn or office floor. Or some kind of stink bomb.

Of course, I don't seriously advocate this - sometimes objects thought to be harmless malfunction in tragic ways. Besides, it's never the executive who has to deal with the mess, it's always the "lowest" folks on the totem pole (housekeepers, etc) who are already doing a crappy job for little pay.

[Brother Buzz]

44. Word!

[rrneck]

41. Oh, shit. I hope it isn't the start of a trend. nt

[OutNow]

48. You mean the trend of polluting our water and air, or

the trend of some crazy-ass bomber seeking his/her version of justice. I, personally disagree with both trends.

[Divine Discontent]

81. yep, good point. it'd be nice if both trends don't happen. too bad the destruction of our Earth is

already in full force. :(

[Lorien]

225. Kind of like the French Revolution

It's important to note that while no one wants violence, Class warfare is being waged...by the ruling class.

[rrneck]

234. True. Looks like they won. nt

[MadMaddie]

50. This kind of action does nothing but hurt the victims of the disaster!

TI hope they catch the person or persons that did this and prosecute them to the fullest extent of the law.

[truthisfreedom]

52. I really hope they find the perp and put him/her away.

This kind of action does nobody any favors. We don't need violence. We need solutions to our environmental problems. We need alternative energy, wind and solar most likely. Not bombs.

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[Ozymanithrax]

63. I have no sympathy for a coward who blows up a 62 year old woman's face off...

with a bomb.

I mean, really, that bomber is the scum that scum considers scum.

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[Ozymanithrax]

71. Yes. If she directly caused the oil spill, it is utterly wrong and the perpetrator...

is the type of scum that no liberal or progressive could all a friend. I don't even think most Conservatives think it is OK to put a bomb in a box of candy and blow up some stranger. (They generally prefer laser guided bombs on weddings in foreign countries.) Any one the with the smallest vestige of morals or ethics does not send a bomb to blow up a stranger.

And if this 62 year old woman personally caused the disaster, then she should be charged with reckless disregard for the lives of the people who died on that rig. Their families should take her to court for wrongful death.

The issue is not whether this woman personally caused the accident, which by the way isn't the case according to the story. The issue is this. Is it OK to send a bomb to kill someone you don't like. It doesn't matter whether it was an oil Executive, an abortion clinic, or some one that cut you off on the highway. It isn't OK, and anyone who would do that is a criminal.

[Carter Hayes]

74. So, the life of one or more flawed people are worth more than

all those innocent animals suffering? People are flawed, animals are perfect. Animals are innocent, people are not. I do not shed one tear for this despicable person, not one, and I stand by my previous statements

[Ozymanithrax]

78. The act of sending a bomb to a stranger to blow them up is is no

different from what BP has done. The 62 year old wife of an oil executive is not responsible for what happened. She is innocent of wrong doing, and progressives and liberals don't advocate bombing innocent people whether they be in Afghanistan, Iraq, an abortion Clinic, or an oil executive's home.

[CLANG]

126. Looks like that was Carter Hayes' last post - LOL!

[Ozymanithrax]

135. Pacific Heights...Pop culture reference.

[newspeak]

185. yes, be careful you don't become like those you fight

As Gandhi said "an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind." However, there could be another motive other than he is an oil executive. Gee, it seems that the perp would have put his name on some brand new golf clubs, instead of targeting his wife with a box of candy.

[onenote]

109. tell us how you know this woman is "despicable"

You don't know shit about her, about her life, her family.

You're just a hater.

[emilyg]

66. You sympathize with a coward.

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[Ozymanithrax]

73. No, the bomber is not doing something about the tragedy.

The bomber is blowing the face off a 62 year old woman that thought she was opening a box of candy. If the bomber wanted to picket BP's corporate office, that would be great. If the bomber wanted to boycott their gas stations, go for it. If the bomber wants to dump oil on the car's of executives. Go for it. If the bomber wants to chain himself or herself to their corporate offices. Do it.

When the guy or girl leaves a bomb in a box for a 62 year old woman nothing is being done about the tragedy. The bomber is doing just what Conservatives did to abortion clinics. It is wrong for Conservatives to bomb people they don't like. It is equally wrong if some pathetic wannabe liberal bombs the house of an oil executive.

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[Hawkowl]

60. So it begins....

I have been wondering when oil/bank executives were going to be targets of violence. It was only a matter of time. As the third Great Depression staggers on with the destruction of the biosphere, I would expect more violence towards the privileged, wealthy, few. Doesn't bode well at all.

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[slackmaster]

152. Anarchy is all fun and games until someone finds a reason to attack YOU

:nuke:

[Voltaire]

178. Who is talking about Anarchy

I am talking about giving justice to those that deserve it. No need for it to done in a disorderly fashion. The line can form to the RIGHT.

[slackmaster]

184. What did that woman do for which being injured by a bomb constitutes "justice"?

I think you have your priorities screwed up, Voltaire.

[Voltaire]

192. No, I think my priorities are just fine

If that woman is innocent then I am sorry for her and hope she gets well. In any event, she'll not be needing to worry much about the medical bill like the rest of us normal folk would have to, you think??

I don't give a shit for ANY oil company executive, banker, corporate head....you following me? And I don't give a shit for any of their spawn who have BENEFITED from their general malfesance unless they have seen the light and started to exhibit some positive human characteristics. These bastards do not give a fuck about YOU, ME or anybody else beside their psycho/sociopathic pathetic little cretinous hides. Its all about them.

So I am sorry if an innocent woman married to an oil executive got hurt, if indeed she is innocent. None of us know the details and probably never know the truth. My point is I don't give a good goddamn if the entire fucking class of these people perishes. And I pray for it MIGHTILY. The world is a better place without predatory psycho/sociopaths in charge.

[LTX]

230. In the meantime,

you'll gas up at the local station and go to the grocery store, where food arrives by the truckload and is packaged in plastics.

[Voltaire]

241. All good reasons to just lay back and take what they dish out, right?

Geez.

[LTX]

245. Well, I'm still having some trouble identifying who "they" are.

Are "they" the folks like us who use all that oil?

Are "they" the folks like the guy in the o/p who's wife was bombed, who appears to be busy with a company developing alternative energy sources?

Are "they" the tool pushers and welders and geologists and reservoir engineers and civil engineers and well loggers and pipe fitters and chemical engineers and truck drivers and wireline operators and land agents and linewalkers and roughnecks and motormen and refinery operators and heavy machinery operators and maintenance supervisors and contract managers and instrument engineers and firefighters and blowout teams and divers and tanker crews and ship fitters and steel, cement, wellhead, drill bit, pipe, rig, valve, seal, mud, logging tool, fracturing tool, generator, separator, cracking tower, truck, and computer manufacturing employees?

I mean, if "we're" going to get rid of "them," we oughta' know who "they" is. Don't ya' think?

[Voltaire]

259. how about......

them's what control the means of production. I'll keep it simple.

[LTX]

261. It's a start.

Now we just have to figure out what the "means of production" is, and who's controlling it.

What, for example, is the "means of production" for your cellphone? Is it the production of the computer chips inside? The cell towers? The wireless signal production? The production of the plastics for the body, the pigments for the plastics, the film and glass for the screen and camera, the software that makes it all work, the oil for the plastics? Or is it the assembly of all the parts from the all the different suppliers?

And who's controlling it? The engineer who designed the phone? The plastics company that took the order for the body? The chip manufacturer? The pigment and oil companies who supplied the plastics manufacturer? The film and glass manufacturer? The software engineers? Or maybe those rotten assemblers who put all the parts together. Or was it the bank that made the bridge loan to the plastics manufacturer to carry the costs during production of the plastic parts? Or maybe one of the other lenders who supplied the cash to make the chips and software and film and glass and pigments and cell towers? Or maybe it's that damn service provider who screwed up your last monthly bill?

Whoever it is, we have to find them. They're evil.

[Voltaire]

262. never mind, it will continue to be a joke to you

Until it isn't funny anymore

[LTX]

264. Oh no, I'm quite serious.

Those nifty revolutionary slogans come with some tricky fine print. It's worth thinking about.

[geek tragedy]

235. Irony alert:

"My point is I don't give a good goddamn if the entire fucking class of these people perishes. And I pray for it MIGHTILY. The world is a better place without predatory psycho/sociopaths in charge."

Considering that you display a sociopathic lack of empathy and would welcome with glee mass murder, I doubt your opposition to sociopaths is sincere.

[Voltaire]

238. I have no empathy for them

That is true. As they have none for me. My actions however, trouble them not one whit, while their every move imperils us all. But stay scared, okay?

[slackmaster]

242. I think there is a special term for people who lack empathy for other human beings

What is it?

[Voltaire]

253. Sociopath.

And I have no empathy for the sociopaths that have ruined this world with their greed and unconcern for their fellow man. Perhaps that makes me a territorial sociopath.

The obtuseness on this board is rather amusing. Everyone knows what I am talking about. If you think that extending the Golden Rule to these cretins is going to be helpful in any way, good luck with that.

[bemildred]

254. Corporation? nt

[slackmaster]

236. OK. I still think your priorities are messed up.

If that woman is innocent then I am sorry for her and hope she gets well. In any event, she'll not be needing to worry much about the medical bill like the rest of us normal folk would have to, you think??

I think it's completely irrelevant whether or not she has better medical coverage than you or I do. She's the victim of a violent crime. She may never be whole again.

I don't give a shit for ANY oil company executive, banker, corporate head....you following me? And I don't give a shit for any of their spawn who have BENEFITED from their general malfesance unless they have seen the light and started to exhibit some positive human characteristics. These bastards do not give a fuck about YOU, ME or anybody else beside their psycho/sociopathic pathetic little cretinous hides. Its all about them.

You sound like an apologist for the bomber, just as I thought. It's pretty ironic to see you blathering about sociopathy.

[Voltaire]

239. I apologize for no bomber

And I shed a tear for no sociopath. As I said, if the woman is innocent, then I wish the best to her, you and I may never know. I wish upon the greedheads only what they have dealt to the rest of us for centuries. Sorry if that is too harsh and violent for you, I ain't really interested in getting my reward in heaven, I want mine now. True equality. The poor have already suffered, time for the fucking rich to feel some of it too.

[slackmaster]

269. Do you fancy yourself a student of the French Revolution, Voltaire?

Be very, very careful not to forget ALL of history's lessons. The strategy of demonizing a class of people by accusing them of greed and lack of empathy for others has been used many times, and it does not always result in what you think you want.

[cali]

246. your comments are pathological. And pathetic.

[Voltaire]

258. May Be

But I am not in the habit of deluding myself to think that if we are just nicer, bigger, more Christian, then things will get better. This planet and everyone in it is dying and the suits don't seem to give a fuck. So I don't care WHAT bad happens to them so long as something does. They have been grinding us into dust for CENTURIES and the only way to make any headway against them is to metaphorically and physically punch them in the mouth. History has proven this! And folks accuse me of being a pathological sociopath, what kind of fucking world am I living in!

Fuck it, we deserve what we get. We aren't brave enough for anything else.

[Gecko6400]

188. Horse S***!

I've dealt with you wantabee terrorists all my life. All hat and no cowboy. Who you waiting for??

[Voltaire]

197. Question

What did I say that was either terroristic or untrue?

[Gecko6400]

200. Please re-read your comment #184.

To me your advocating a whole class of people be wiped out, including their children. But, hey I didn't call you a Nazi, yet.

[Voltaire]

206. I can see where one might infer that

These people, over hundreds of years now, have sown the whirlwind. Time for them to reap. They have been screwing us forever and making us hum the Star Spangled Banner while they do. What do you think we should do, take them to Court? Which Court might that be exactly? Ask them nice to play fair??? Tell me in your esteemed historical judgment where that has EVER worked??? Nothing will change for the majority of us until the minority that holds the wealth and power are made to be much less comfortable than they are. So what do you propose? Legislation? Santa Claus? I will submit that these people are congenitally sick and will not respond to such entreaties. And STILL we must all live on this planet together. So what's it gonna be? Wrangling our hands over the method, or taking the bull by the balls and fixing this situation?? Feel free to call me a Nazi if you like, I am really beyond caring. I know who the real Nazi's are and I ain't it my friend.

[geek tragedy]

237. So you bank out violent fantasies from a keyboard like

the Freepi do.

The other poster was right: all hat, no cattle.

[Voltaire]

240. Spare me your self-righteousness

A fat lot of good it does in the face of the swine that truly run this world.

[slackmaster]

150. At least you didn't express any sympathy for the woman who was injured

That would have made your post logically inconsistent.

[Lorien]

226. They've been preparing for it. They know that they've already killed countless thousands

of us; through poisoning our air, food and water, sending the poor to die in their wars for profit, denying us health care, taking our homes, jobs, and making college unaffordable. Wealthy executives are now hiring full time bodyguards. They've been recruiting from a friend's dojo and various shooting clubs around town. They know that it's only a matter of time before those that they have waged class warfare against push back, so they're preparing for it.

[davidpdx]

67. The non-violent way would have been much better

Which would have been sending a box full of shit. I hope they catch the person who did this.

[Axle_techie]

76. To me, anyone who is not abhorred by the

thought of sending someone a pipe bomb, even to the house of an oil exec, is on the same level as supporters of this sham of a war we are engaged in. Just as bad as the bush administration who saw killing muslims as an acceptable means to an end. Oil executives are human beings to. You cannot pick and choose compassion based on your version of moral prejudice. I feel sorry for the oil exec, the wife, and anyone else on the bad end of involvement in spite of who they are and what they do because they are still human beings, too.

[yurbud]

77. the perp needs to watch Dexter--his prep work was shoddy.

[tinrobot]

82. This may not be oil related at all...

Could easily be that someone targeted the people in that house for reasons other than oil.

Until there's some sort of note tying the bombing to the homeowner's oil work, or god forbid, multiple bombings of multiple oil executives, we have no way of knowing why they were targeted.

[zbdent]

91. This is not the tactic to take ...

no matter if it was "one of us".

[zanana1]

96. The person who did this is not only a criminal, but an idiot.

It was a mansion. Did he/she really thing the door would be opened by Mr. Moneypants himself? Domestic staff always opens the door in those places. I understand the anger, but that only gives Big Oil something to use to deflect their criminality.

[Ganja Ninja]

98. I'm only surprised it's taken this long to come to this. n/t

[peacetalksforall]

102. It could also be kids with a grudge. A long shot - It could also be the event incitors.

Such as police who come from behind the police line with a tool that breaks department store windows, then slips back behind the police lines. Purpose - a step to get citizen paid protection for the rich.

When something is first announced it isn't worth taking one approach and beating it to death.

It's better to think of all the angles and wait for more information.

Our experience in the last ten to fifty years gives us plenty of solid knowledge of acts of subversion to get us riled up and paying for something that is wanted by someone else = or the tricks for getting votes - from Atwater, Stone, Rove, Harris, O'Connell maneuvers. Blackwater, sub-governments, gun running, trading nuclear secrets. The recorded order to shoot at Kent State.

Think about the media and how they are used against us.

How many times do we have to watch Michelle Bachmann lie or take a lie and make up legislative sentences statements that are anti=government with all cameras on her? It could be said she and other like Beck and Limbaugh are planting pipe bomba of lies to get people to believe lies.

It's possible that this event will fade overnight or it could be picked up and played out for years if there is a political and/or monetary value in it for someone to exploit.

Widen, not narrow, the approach to looking at a few miniscule pieces of informaton and as we've learned the hard way - don't pass up the possibility of purposeful subterfuge.

[rasputin1952]

103. What kind of warped mind could possibly think that leaving a bomb

at someone's home could possibly make some kind of difference in what is happening in the Gulf or anywhere else?

The, "I'll show YOU!" mentality is truly disturbing.

[lunatica]

104. I hope they catch the perpetrator(s)

There is no rationalization for that kind of violence.

[tiny elvis]

112. life is cheap

[Po_d Mainiac]

113. Add opening all packages to the task list ...for the maid....n/t

[breadandwine]

114. This is the end of energy and climate legislation. The planet can kiss its ass goodbye.

Now the right wing will go into overdrive. Beck, Limblob, Coultergeist, they will be milking this for all its worth, the eco-terrorists, the eco-terrorists, the eco-terrorists.

Energy legislation is dead.

This bombing is a dream come true for the oil industry. They don't have anything to worry about now. They can sleep in peace. They can sleep like a baby. The climate and energy legislation will now fail.

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[davidinalameda]

115. this terrorist act sets back the environmentalist movement

hope they catch whoever did this and put them away for a long, long time

[Robb]

116. +1. nt

[sofa king]

123. I concur.

Back in the late 1980s, some doofuses kidnapped an oil executive and he died on them while they were holding him hostage.

Shortly after that incident, I landed a peculiar job with a major oil company, and I personally watched the executives milk that incident for years. Many of them were frankly elated that they now had a gun-toting driver to cart them around. All the expenses were simply taken away from the shareholders, who didn't give a damn because the stock was splitting every 18 months, anyway.

Oil lobbyists in turn used that as justification for still more tax breaks and other concessions from Congress. That poor dead oil exec was even trotted out when my evil masters set up a giant bat-killing trap at the corporate headquarters--the bats were a "security risk," and lots of good money had to be spent to kill the bats, lest they endanger employees... somehow.

The incident was, in short, a very positive incident for the oil companies, and I have no doubt this incident will be, too.

Edit: Now that I think of it, the "endless justification" strategy the oil company used in the wake of that kidnapping was the exact same wild rationale used by the Bush Administration after 9/11. I'm sure none of you are surprised.

[redqueen]

dupe

[redqueen]

120. That was on the news just now, but no mention of it being an oil exec's home.

Interesting.

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[sui generis]

131. really? deadly violence?

what backwater third world country are you from?

[Odin2005]

137. You think domestic unrest can't happen here?

Just wait.

[cali]

139. gee, I hope you and yours aren't caught up in the deadly violence

you wish for. And yeah, I've seen enough of your posts to safely conclude that it is something you wish for.

[Odin2005]

142. We are already caught up in the inherent violence of Global Capitalism.

[sui generis]

143. grin

and yet the mods let his comment stand. some days you just gotta wonder.

[sui generis]

140. okay I'll bite.

I promise you if a bunch of self-important looters and rioters come into my neighborhood I won't be asking for your "justified" card before I sit on my roof and start picking you off.

[Odin2005]

145. Are you rich? If not then I am not talking about your neighborhood.

[sui generis]

154. not hurting but I would still stand against a rabble rouser

it's not american. Hence my comment about third world violence.

Of COURSE it's cathartic to respond to frustration with violence but if your SO pisses you off do you get violent? If your neighbor is rude to you do you get violent? If someone has more than you do is it REALLY appropriate to get violent?

Sounds pretty psychopathological to use any excuse to justify getting violent - and un-american. so bombing random rich people is acceptable? It's really really not.

[cali]

138. you have no fucking idea what the motive is here- not that that really matters

it was a despicable thing to do and your quasi-endorsement of it is repulsive. do you ever think before posting?

[Odin2005]

149. I was not endorsing it.

Saying that a cornered dog will bite is not saying the dog biting is good.

[LanternWaste]

164. Choice precludes inevitable results...

"This is the inevitable result..."

I don't think so. Choice precludes inevitable results. This was simply one person's choice to engage in terrorism rather than allow for additional options.

[Gecko6400]

187. Deleted by me

[valerief]

132. Stuff like this only hurts the innocent hired help. If they're targeting the execs, they should

make sure they get the execs. Whether that's right or wrong is another issue.

[Richardo]

134. Whether it's right or wrong is not 'another issue' - it's THE issue.

[valerief]

171. Revolution has to start somewhere, but it shouldn't start by harming the hired help.

I'm not condoning warfare against oil execs, btw, no matter how much warfare they condone.

[AngryAmish]

133. Another Teabagger Terrorist

These people are dangerous.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

146. violence should not be tolerated!

[Yavin4]

141. Folks, This Could Be Someone Looking to Bump Off His Wife

and blaming it on enviro terrorists.

[SnakeEyes]

151. Yeah, it COULD be... or not

I don't think so but I bet someone is writing that very script for Law and Order: Los Angeles as we speak.

[DesertDiamond]

147. Although something needs to be done about the oil company profiteers, this is NOT it...

even if that poor woman had been a culpable party, it is still wrong and will produce nothing of value.

[slackmaster]

153. Bombs don't just "go off"

People detonate bombs.

[SOS]

155. A box of chocolates addressed to the wife?

Sounds more like a deranged mistress than an oil disaster victim.

[slackmaster]

158. You think the injured woman had a mistress who got jealous?

Could be, could be!

[SOS]

161. More along the lines of Fatal Attraction

Angry jilted lovers are a lot more common than politically-motivated assassins.

[Bloofer_Lady]

160. It's not even on CNN

Just looked on CNN and it's not on there. Go Figure.

[johnlucas]

162. People in this thread are jumping to conclusions

I think some of you are a little too wound up in this politics thing when you read this story.

For all you know this could very well be a case of the executive attempting a hit on his wife for the insurance money.
For all you know this could be the work of a disgruntled housekeeper/groundskeeper recently let go or fired.
This could be the end result of a freaky love triangle when the other woman wants to get the wife out of the way.
This could be some devious stalker who tracked down the house & decided to pay back the woman for once refusing his affections.
This could be a political hit designed to scare the executive into doing what the bombers want.

It could be anything including the possibility of some angry person wanting to take his/her rage out on Big Oil.
No telling what was behind this from the story written. Not enough details to make a solid conclusion.
All we're left with is speculation.
John Lucas

[Confusious]

215. Speculation is what we do here!

That's pretty much all we got! :)

[The Backlash Cometh]

165. Shit!

Our country is moving into the next level. And, as usual, unintended targets are the ones that will suffer. This is tragic.

[Loudmxr]

167. Yep I am old enough and cynical enough to almost bet it was inside planted.

These people are Amoral enough to kill anyone if it was in their own self interest. At what level was this executive. Were they dispensable?

Was this person a snitch? I have always felt that Pat Tillman was more use dead than alive. How convenient that he wound up dead shot at close range. But that is another story entirely.

[cali]

193. absurd conjecture.

we have no idea what the motives of the person who sent the bomb are. It could be utterly irrelevant that the guy works in the oil industry.

[Regret My New Name]

217. Not to mention the fact that no one even knows who these people are...

or what they believe in...

[davidinalameda]

244. you should be named the DU voice of reason

:toast:

[Confusious]

216. The simplest explination is usually the right one

Oil executive, bad oil spill, high gas prices, massive profits, pissed off fisherman or someone affected by the spill.

I'll go with that one.

[cali]

232. gad. talk about flawed reasoning.

you don't know enough to know that that's the simplest explanation.

[Confusious]

233. Since it's you saying it's flawed

I'll take that as a compliment, and that my conjuncture about what happened is correct.

[cali]

248. conjunture? what the frack is that?

you and logical thinking don't even have a passing relationship.

damn, I hate stupid.

[Confusious]

249. Can you say anything without it being an insult?

I meant conjecture, which you probably knew, but you took it as an opportunity to insult, as usual.

If you did, or if you didn't, damn, I hate assholes.

[skids]

263. Occam's razor fail, yet again.

This guy is not by any means a celebrity among oil executives, and neither was his company. A pissed off fisherman isn't going to compile a phonebook of oil execs and then throw a dart at it, they will at least target someone at a company involved in the leak.

Whoever did this had a personal reason to select this individual.

Me, I can think one type of person so low and ruthless as to commit an act like this -- going after the family/help -- and also likely to have a personal connection -- another oil executive. Maybe this guy was telling the wrong people the wrong things he's seen and heard in his years in the industry.

[wordpix]

169. "I can't believe anyone would do something as terrible and tragic to a person .." not condoning BUT

Isn't it MORE terrible and tragic to destroy an entire Gulf coastline with Big Oil's greed? Not to mention, 11 human lives, thousands of birds, dolphins, sea tutrtles, fish..not condoning violent action but the oil execs and their wealthy friends still don't get it.

[cali]

191. it's an inane comparison. The destruction in the Gulf is horrendous

and there's a shitload of blame to be apportioned. It's not just BP, it's also the U.S. gov't, private industry in general, and yes, the oil guzzling public.

This is an act by an individual, and no matter what the provocation, it's neither understandable or justifiable. It's a simple matter.

[Crowman1979]

175. This was a stupid and thuggish act!

Now if someone went up to an oil excecutive and punched him in the face or pour some of that so-called "safe gulf oil" on them, then I would be all right with that.

But this was just wrong.

[femrap]

195. I think whomever

did this missed his/her target.

I'm surprised that things like this haven't happened sooner. Especially with Enron....all of those people who lost their jobs and all of those responsible living clustered together in the rich neighborhoods.

People are reaching their wit's ends.

I hope the woman who opened the package recovers.

Those who care about Mother Nature are sad....and Mother Nature, herself, is pissed as hell.

We have less and less justice, more and more corruption.

I need to go lay down.

[ladywnch]

198. I can't say I'm surprised.......well, maybe that it took this long for it to happen

Understand, I am in NO WAY condoning this action but given the current state of the country (ie: a constant state of barely contained rage), the teabagger mentality, and corporate America pretty much telling anyone who will listen that they just don't give a rat's ass about the People.......I can't say I'm the least surprised that someone decided to pull a stunt like this. I expect there will be more of it.

It is truly sad that people feel this is the only option they have left. After a while, I expect that they see their actions as justified and proper.

This could be the act that ushers in guerrilla warfare against C level management......against mega corporations in general. They and their families will live like prisoners needing armed security guards to go to the grocery store (and yes, I know they don't do their own grocery shopping), shopping on Rodeo Drive, to and from the spa, go to their kids recitals - kids won't be able to be kids.......

I would invest heavily in personal security services if I had money to invest!


PS: note to Corporate America - this is an object lesson, don't go around pissing of a bunch of unstable, gun toting, unemployed cowboys (figuratively speaking)......they WILL turn on you eventually......and they won't be following Robert's Rules of Order when they come for you.

[Lorien]

227. They've been recruiting private security and bodyguards for the past several years

I know several people who have been recruited. And via the Tea Party they've been trying to harness the rage of unstable, gun toting, unemployed cowboys and turn it against those of us who have been pushing against their class warfare. They fired the first shot long ago, and they now expect those that they've been victimizing to join their cause.

[Politics_Guy25]

208. It's unfortunate that this bomb hurt an elderly lady

who cannot be blamed for the oil spill at all. However, if it had killed the oil exec himself, I wouldn't shed a single tear and totally understand it. The hell big oil has unleashed on the world is outrageous. George W. Bush/Dick Cheney anyone?

[mistertrickster]

212. Life is like a box of chocolates . . . you never know what you're going to get.

Just a little gallows humor . . . there's no defending pipe bombs.

But, on the other hand, oil execs have never been known for their concern for others. Maybe they should start making that a priority too.

[davidwparker]

221. frustrations are getting higher. Best option would have

been to buy and electric car -- or get on the electric-car-buying list and mail the receipt to the oil executive.

Peaceful resistance works best.

[GreenTea]

222. Did the media claim Al-Qaeda was responsible as they do with every bombing?

Keeps Americans fear level high - So they'll support corporate wars for profit and trillion dollar military budgets - both bankrupting the country just as the republicans planned - so they can finally do away with every social program.

[didact]

224. Webbots right again

:hide:

[civilisation]

228. Violence up the hierarchy is the ultimate taboo, down is the accepted norm.

So accepted is violence down the hierarchy that mose people in this twisted culture, do not even see it AS violence. However any violence that goes UP the hierarchy, any resistance to the top down oppression at all, is only afforded scorn and contempt,. from even the lowest on the corporate bankster pyramid,.

see; http://www.veoh.com/collection/philosophertest/watch/v745217d8jNrkqn

Should people silently, and without resistance, be herded onto the train cars,. walk peacefully into the furnace?? Can't say I 'agree' or 'disagree' with this tactic,. however some soul searching is in order for anyone who even considers resistance to their own violent end at the hands of this bankster cartel. These people will not hesitate to cut off your food/energy supply, let your city drowned, or destroy whole eco-systems. When will you try to stop them?

[CLANG]

229. I've searched the net and can't find any reputable news org carrying this story

I also looked at several Houston newspapers on line and they make absolutely no mention of it.

Very strange...

ON EDIT: Found one:

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/nb/heights/news/7101825.html

[texastoast]

231. What's up with that?

Hmm indeed.

[bemildred]

251. Not an idea they want to spread around, I would think. nt

[texastoast]

243. Mainstream Media seems to be picking up the story

http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?section=news/local&id=7546937

[devilgrrl]

247. Staged.

eom

[wildbilln864]

256. a dispicably cowardly act IMO! nt

[fascisthunter]

257. look at what our country has come to

a sad regression

[Doctor_J]

265. Unfortunately, when"the system" becomes so corrupt as to be useless,

eventually the hoi polloi will get fed up enough to take action. THis is how anarchy obtains - when the people are unable to get satisfaction from authorities. Edit: Hopefully this will turn out not to be an a ct of terrorism, but I see violence in this country if the rule of law is not brought back into practice.