Dean calls Fox News 'absolutely racist' for aiding Sherrod ouster

[kpete]

Source: The Hill


Dean calls Fox News 'absolutely racist' for aiding Sherrod ouster
By Darren Goode - 07/25/10 09:59 AM ET

Former Democratic National Committee Chairman Howard Dean accused Fox News of promoting racism, including in the recent fracus over the Obama administration’s forced resignation of Agriculture Department official Shirley Sherrod.

“Let’s just be blunt about this … I think Fox News did something that was absolutely racist,” Dean charged on "Fox News Sunday."

Dean said Fox helped promote the charges that Sherrod – who is black – made racist comments about white farmers, which led to her forced resignation Monday.

...............

“Fox News was not blameless during this,” Dean said. “You played it up.”

Read more: http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/110751-dean-says-fox-news-racist-for-helping-sherrod-ouster

[xchrom]

1. recommend

:applause:

[UpInArms]

2. Howard Dean speaks for me

:kick:

[madokie]

42. He damn sure speaks for me too

[wordpix]

44. +! but he screamed! (sarcasm) EEEIIIYAAAHHH

[PatrynXX]

101. Yeah memory fads for the press and older folks...

nobody had been to a pep rally for their team before in high school huh?? Overblown and idiotic

Was for Wesley Clark (the only one at the caucus. so I quickly went to Howard Dean's side. John Kerry was never going to win.

[whathehell]

113. For those who don't know....That tape was edited to cut out the

very loud background noise that Dean was trying to talk over.

That version was a set up -- a hit piece -- to make him look "out of control" and "unpresidential" and it was run CEASELESSLY over one weekend in 2004.

By the time ABC News "apologized" and ran the unedited version WITH the background noise included, the damage was done, and Dean was "over" as a candidate.

I mention it because there apparently are people -- even Democrats -- that still don't know this. I was surprised to learn that a good democratic friend of mine was still unaware of the edit and still thought he had just "lost control".

[madokie]

114. "The rovian machine was scared shitless of Dr Dean

and they had reason to be too. If not for that hit piece on him he would have won that election hands down. I still love the man and would vote for him in a heartbeat. In fact we owe President Obama's presidency largely due to the good doctor good clear thinking on how to win elections. I can understand why President O didn't include him in his cabinet because of his presence would have made it harder to tell who was the smarter of the two.

[whathehell]

123. I'm with you on that!

.:thumbsup:

I love the guy and wish he waz Prez now. I really dislike the way the Obama seems to have dissed him (especially after, as you say, he provided the 50 state strategy which allowed O to win)...I've heard it was Rahm who kept him out...Still, O owed him!

[deacon_sephiroth]

135. here here

K&R

[Uncle Joe]

3. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, kpete.

[kpete]

6. and thanks for

the thanks Uncle Joe...
goes well with my morning coffee
kp

[Uncle Joe]

9. That's what I'm drinking as well.

:toast:

UJ

[zeemike]

4. And they can't handel the truth.

As they turn it into an Obama problem.
Already the right is saying that Fox was right all along no matter what anyone says....she is a racist.

[laughingliberal]

45. Yep. They play that damned if you do, damned if you don't quite well.

Fire Sherrod and you jumped the gun. Apologize and offer her a new job and she was really a racist all along. Fux news can bite me.

[Hansel]

5. I love the dismissive comments that Dean's "playing the race card"

Next time someone accuses a Dem of playing the race card their respond should be "We're not playing with you."

Fox News is promoting racism and has been since Obama became a serious candidate for president. Some of them are taking it personally that a Black man had to audacity to challenge, much less best their great white hope of a "military hero". That scares them because they know certain segments of the population (read "macho authoritarian white males") are no longer guaranteed superiority. And some of them (Beck, Hannity, and O'Really) have nothing else to recommend themselves with.

Edit to add: It's about damn time somebody came out and said that the emperor has no clothes. What he said is obvious beyond belief and yet everyone in the media and some on here pussy foot around it. The media cannot have the discussion on race until they start being honest about it. The question they ponder "is it time for a conversation on race" really means "we're not are we ready to be honest enough to call Fox and their sycophantic followers the flat out racists that they are so we're stalling". Go Dean!

[EFerrari]

7. No reg to leave comments at The Hill. nt

[AlanAdam]

14. I would go even further ...

<<Sorry, this is should be a reply to a different post.>>

When challenged by the Fox interviewer (Mike Wallace son) whether he knew that Shirley's name wasn't even mentioned on Fox until she had already been fired, Dean clearly didn't know this, he started to stammer, but still eventually returned to his original charge. I hate it when people, regardless of who they are, use these events as opportunity to score points against their traditional opponents, regardless of whether the specific facts surrounding the event in question actually apply. People regardless of politics need to be careful to fact-check before leveling charges. I'm 55 years old, and in my personal life I have made this mistake many times. Each time I have done so, I become more sensitive to it. Sorry, Howard, be more careful.

[Hansel]

23. No, it's far past time for Democrats to stop being careful.

Why is it that Republicans daily talking points, played in a loop on cable news and radio, are nearly entirely made up of half truths and lies, and that doesn't seem to bother some people? But when Dean makes an obvious statement about an agenda that has been playing out on Fox, and in all right wing media, for nearly 3 years now we are supposed to zero in on only this one incident and nit pick about whether or not Dean's statement is exactly correct.

Dean is not just making a statement about the Sherrod incident specifically. He's making a statement about Fox's behavior for nearly 3 years. You're fooling yourself that Fox wasn't going to jump on this story and drive it into the ground whether or not the WH acted first.

More power to anyone who finally stand up and calls it what is it. Promoting racism.

[24601]

89. Ready - FIRE! - Aim. [oops] Sorry, but I disagree. 3 months

before an important election is not the time to spout ingrained network stereotypes. I don't think Dean lied, he just plain didn't know and was too damn lazy to Check facts before spouting off. His words will be characterized as "typical liberal hate speech" and it will turn off independents, who value accuracy over ideology.

[donquijoterocket]

72. Fux noise tactics

Regardless of the time line when Fux finally got around to airing the story they then ran the edited tape and later had the chutzpah to criticize the WH for reacting without having all the facts.My experience tells me that the best way to fight your way out of an ambush- which is basically all any appearance by a Democrat- a real Democrat and not one of the Fux noise on retainer variety- is ever going to be is to attack and attack hard.Even being prepared going into an ambush will not prevent you from getting bloodied some before you get out but pushing back hard will keep them off balance. Wallace might be one of the worst on Fux noise.

[mistertrickster]

82. I wonder if Media Matters has checked this out yet. Wallace was very careful about how he worded

the question. Not mentioning her name is not the same as not pushing the story without investigating it or even asking for Sherrod's comment.

I think Dean was probably right in the substance of his charge.

[NashVegas]

119. I Don't Watch Fox News

Perhaps you could tell me exactly what types of things they said about Sherrod once they DID start running the story?

[vanbean]

120. And it also goes to show what folly it was for them to fire Sherrod so quickly.

That was a huge error.

[DonCoquixote]

106. Fine quote

"Fox News is promoting racism and has been since Obama became a serious candidate for president. Some of them are taking it personally that a Black man had to audacity to challenge, much less best their great white hope of a "military hero". That scares them because they know certain segments of the population (read "macho authoritarian white males") are no longer guaranteed superiority. And some of them (Beck, Hannity, and O'Really) have nothing else to recommend themselves with. "

Sorry to say, this also plays to macho white females...thus the love of Palin.

[SnakeEyes]

8. Sorry, this is deflection

Fox News sucks but this was the WH having a kneejerk reaction to a lone article on foxnews.com from Breitbart's story that Drudge linked to. Fox didn't even broadcast the story until after she was fired. Oddly, the usual playing up didn't happen until she was already fired. The WH needs to continue to own up when asked about it instead of lobbing racism charges at Fox.

[truthisfreedom]

10. Fox deserves every bit of criticism levied at them.

Fuck faux noise.

[backscatter712]

22. FOX Noose Channel... n/t

[itsrobert]

11. And another one shows their true colors

Congrats for making it to almost 400 post.

[SnakeEyes]

28. Another what?

Do tell.

[Hansel]

61. Here's a clue. Dean's not in the WH. nt

[SnakeEyes]

91. That doesn't question but...

it does point out I made a mistake. As I was typing that I was thinking Biden and not Dean.

[DeadEyeDyck]

129. Round these parts, if you point out the slightest slip from

our side, you are branded a troll and people start throwing pizza at you. It happens to me and I am biracial! That is why I just don't post much.

I am a democrat with my own brain. Sometimes dems make mistakes but tread likely around here before pointing them out.

[AlanAdam]

15. I would go even further ...

When challenged by the Fox interviewer (Mike Wallace son) whether he knew that Shirley's name wasn't even mentioned on Fox until she had already been fired, Dean clearly didn't know this, he started to stammer, but still eventually returned to his original charge. I hate it when people, regardless of who they are, use these events as opportunity to score points against their traditional opponents, regardless of whether the specific facts surrounding the event in question actually apply. People regardless of politics need to be careful to fact-check before leveling charges. I'm 55 years old, and in my personal life I have made this mistake many times. Each time I have done so, I become more sensitive to it. Sorry, Howard, be more careful.

[w4rma]

27. Didn't user her name but everyone who knew her knew who Faux was talking about. (nt)

[Chakab]

49. Horsheshit.

"Shirley's name wasn't even mentioned on Fox until she had already been fired"


^This is patently false.

[SnakeEyes]

92. With a lone article on Foxnews.com

hardly the usual Fox News wave of BS.

[Hansel]

16. Oh give it a rest.

Fox has been using race since Obama became President in order to destroy him and along with him any chance of Democrats getting any real representation on what direction they want this country to go in.

Did the WH screw up on this, yes? Is that the big picture here, hell no! The big picture is that Fox and the right fringe have been promoting racism in order to defeat Obama ever since it was apparent he might actually win. Their disrespect for him, the people who voted for him and their viewers is palpable.

You can make all of the excuses you want to for Fox in order to focus the blame solely on the WH, that's your prerogative. But there are those in the world who understand the context in which this happened and Fox's overall agenda. We don't piece meal or scramble the facts in order to get an outcome we want.

[suzie]

133. +1000

[joeybee12]

29. You are absolutely wrong...the WH looks bad, but the real villian is Fox.

[Beaverhausen]

36. Did the story run on Beck's show as planned?

are you saying Fox held the story after she was fired, or did they run it anyway?

[SnakeEyes]

93. It did not run on Beck's Fox show

And Beck said they didn't plan to run it, unsure of the context. Whether that is the reason why or not I don't know. However, I do think it's reasonable that they assumed Beck would run with it. The first time it aired on Fox News was that evening on O'Reilly, after she had resigned.

[Chef Eric]

39. Sorry, but your reply is a deflection.

Read the OP. It is not the White House that is calling Fox news' coverage 'racist'; it is Howard Dean.

[SnakeEyes]

94. Deflections, no

Mistake while posting, yes.

[TerribleLarryDingle]

67. So you think FOX

is the victim here? Have you been paying any attention to how FOX operates?
You think they should get a pass because it's all Obama's fault?

[SnakeEyes]

95. I never said Fox was the victim

Straw man.

[TerribleLarryDingle]

103. Yawn

the old Strawman bit.

[vanbean]

122. Strawmans happen. Alla time.

[boppers]

76. "Fox didn't even broadcast the story until after she was fired"

Nice word game you played there.

Fox had already taped broadcasts about the story *before* she was fired. Specifically, the O'Liely show.

Key word: before.

The taped broadcasts didn't air until later in the evening, but to claim that Fox somehow waited until after she was fired is brutally misleading.

[SnakeEyes]

96. One one taped broadcast..

That was Bill O's show. He spent like a minute on it toward the end of the show, where he also jumped to conclusion and called for her resign. It aired after her resignation was known. Whether it was taped earlier or not is irrelevant to the discussion of events that led to her firing. The foxnews.com article was the only thing they did on their website or on air before she had resigned.

[TomCADem]

104. PLEASE! The Corporate Media Pedals A Fraudulent Tape, And They Aren't Accountable?

The corporate media narrative is that this is the White House's fault, but the WH did not splice together a fraudulent tape showing a federal worker saying that she would not help white people. That is just plain fraud.

[dorkulon]

116. The media is at fault. So is the White House. it's not an either/or thing.

[dorkulon]

115. Everyone who participated in this BS is at fault.

Fox, The White House, Breitbart, MSNBC (Morning Blow was all over it too), and anyone else.

[USA_1]

12. Reichwingers always play the race card ...

... how lucky they are that being a Republican means never having to say you're sorry.

[Enthusiast]

13. K&R No question it was racist. nt

[otohara]

17. I Wish Dean Were Still Head of DNC

Tim Kaine, nice guy, but isn't a fighter like Dr. Dean, nor is he visible enough for me.

[Joanne98]

20. Me too.

[janet118]

31. Heck, I wish he was president. n/t

[Deuce]

43. I was thinking the same thing....

[Mad_Dem_X]

112. Amen to that. We need a fighter like Dr. Dean! eom

[spicegal]

18. Fox News does promote racism, and it's about time they

start getting called out for it. Come on mainstream media, do your job for once. I think we should call for a boycott of Fox.

[Joanne98]

19. A Democrat with balls.

[NYMdaveNYI]

79. BYAAAAHHHH |nt|

[Jefferson23]

21. There are many reasons I love this guy, and this is one of them. n/t

[Turborama]

24. Just posted it in the videos forum

Thanks a lot for the heads up, kpete.

:kick: & R

[Bluenorthwest]

25. Did Tim Kaine have a word to say about it?

Did he manage a press release or anything?

[1American]

26. Fox Snooze

Have you ever gone on Breitbart.com? It is completely racist--he emphasized any crime done by African Americans in such a way as to make it sound anti-white. Then,try going on the "comments" to see exactly what his followers are. They are the dirtiest, nastiest KKK, nazi, skinhead white supremacist scum on earth. They represent the TEA PARTY enthusiasts. I WILL NEVER GO ON THAT SLIME BLOG AGAIN, EVEN OUT OF CURIOSITY--THE GUY COUNTS ALL THE HITS AS POSITIVE ONES FOR HIM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[patrice]

30. Howard Dean SPEAKS truth to Power for millions of Americans, no trite formulaic mumbling here.

[ShadowLiberal]

32. About time top democrats call out fox on their role in this kind of stuff

[Beacool]

33. One little glitch.

By the time that O'Reilly, Hannity, etc. reported on the incident, Sherrod had already been fired.

:shrug:

[Beaverhausen]

37. They ran the story, right?

it's racist, no matter when they ran it.

[Beacool]

38. They ran it after the fact.

Want to blame someone (other than Breitbart)? Blame Vilsack and the WH who jumped the gun without giving Sherrod the benefit of the doubt.

;)

[Chef Eric]

40. So? I blame Vilsack for acting cowardly, AND Fox for being racist.

Sure, Fox news isn't responsible for the firing. But the fact that they didn't run the story until after the fact doesn't make their coverage any less racist.

[Beaverhausen]

41. Fox ran a false news story which painted Sherrod as racist...

...and called her that all day on every show. I will blame them.

Vilsack and whoever in the WH told him to fire her were wrong, but that doesn't excuse what Fox did.

[Hansel]

47. Which might be relevant if he was only referring to the Sherrod story

Note that I'm not saying that it is. They still tried to paint her as a racist and did not research their facts that would have disputed it. They played the edited tape because it suited their agenda. They played a tape from a guy who gave them the ACORN tapes (also racist) which were also proven to be highly edited and false by several state AGs.

Then they started going after the White House for hiring her and tried to paint them as racists rather than doing their job like CNN did and getting the facts about what she really said. So they can cram any pretense that they are innocent here. I don't care when they played it. Their behavior on race over the past several years is appalling and Dean is right to point it out.

But Dean was not just talking about the Sherrod story according to the article.

Former Democratic National Committee Chairman Howard Dean accused Fox News of promoting racism, including in the recent fracus over the Obama administration’s forced resignation of Agriculture Department official Shirley Sherrod.

Note the word "including". He accused Fox of promoting racism and it is obvious that they have been for several years now. Nothing wrong with that, no matter how hard Wallace tries to deflect.

[mistertrickster]

83. Yup, that's exactly right. The actions of the White House have no relevance to

how FOX reported the story. They ran it as if she were a "reverse racist."

After she were fired . . . before she were fired, it was still wrong. And it fits a pattern of making white people into "victims" at the hands of blacks in the Willie Horton, Black Panthers mold.

[Chakab]

50. They were all yelling and screaming

about it during the early "News" programs before she was forced to resign.

[Beacool]

54. Of course it doesn't excuse them.

They will make hay whenever a Democrat is in trouble, just like MSNBC would do the same if it was a Republican who got in a jam. Neither network is objective. However, I do question an entire network being labeled as racist. The more the word "racist" is being brandished about, the more it loses its relevancy.

[Beaverhausen]

56. Rachel Maddow did a great piece showing how many of the Fox shows...

...played the edited tape and caller Sherrod racist, as well as clips of past news stories also showing their racial bias.

I'm guessing you missed it, but it's clear that they are racist.

[jimlup]

65. Two points that are facts that Dean did not know which were misrepresented by FOX

1. The video and the Sherrod story appeared on the FOX website before she resigned. Though FOX is strictly correct - it did not appear on their TV broadcast until after she had resigned.

2. Bill O'Reilly played the video before he know she had resigned.

So, while their talking point during the Dean interview was strictly correct it was, like the original version of the video, a misrepresentation of what actually transpired.

http://mediamatters.org/research/201007220004

[Hansel]

58. "The more the word 'racist' is being brandished about, the more" what ?

Just because people point out when people are obviously promoting racism doesn't make it lose its relevancy. It's like saying the more people talk about sexual assault the less relevant it is.

What it does mean is that it has been pointed out again and that like clockwork some hand wringer will start complaining that it got pointed out again and that we shouldn't point it out again because we are the problem for pointing it out again, not the people promoting it. Hogwash.

There is no comparison between MSNBC and Fox News. Fox News is a propaganda station for the GOP. MSNBC has a range of shows on with all political viewpoints. And the vast majority of their shows deal in fact not fiction pulled out of someone's butt. I know the right likes to use that analogy like it's meaningful in order to scare MSNBC from presenting opposing viewpoints and those pesky facts, but its probably lost its relevancy, don't you think?

[Chakab]

66. Are fucking kidding me?

As a another poster mentioned, Rachel Maddow did a great piece which juxtaposed several clips from Fox programs regarding the Sherrod incident, the fake New Black Panthers DOJ controversy that they've been pushing recently, the attacks on Van Jones (where Beck and other Fox hosts falsely claimed that Jones was a convicted felon who was a leader of the LA riots post-Rodney King) and the ACORN smear which clearly demonstrate the type of mendacious race baiting that Fox has been actively engaged in since Obama took office. If you're honestly claiming that it's out of line to say, at the very least, that Fox is actively stoking the fires of racial discord in order to provoke the RW base, then either you haven't watched any of their programming, you're being deliberately obtuse or you are painfully naive.


This is not a case for a debate about whether or not it's acceptable to make an accusation of racism. What is going on here is overt and ugly. I don't see how the meaning of the word "racism" can be in any way diminished by stating the obvious. In fact, I believe that what is truly dangerous is to let these people continue to escalate their lies and rhetoric until leads it to violence, which is exactly where we are headed in this increasingly toxic political atmosphere.

[Lint Head]

55. Another little glitch. Cluster Fux has vomited mountains of racist

propaganda long before the Sherrod incident.

[Beaverhausen]

34. Jesus- look at the comments on that page

bunch of freepers going nuts. Almost worse than comments on a yahoo article.

[newtothegame]

35. Has any news story since 1-20-09 not involved race?

:shrug:

[Hansel]

52. Yes. What's your point? nt

[naaman fletcher]

86. yes. nt.

[laughingliberal]

46. K & R nt

[TerribleLarryDingle]

48. K&R

[Odin2005]

51. GO HOWIE!!!

:yourock:

[Lint Head]

53. Go Doctor Dean!

Absolutely right. My immediate relatives watch Faux Snooze exclusively.

I had a rather heated conversation with one of my siblings regarding their 'in denial' bigoted and racist attitudes. They use to use overt racist terms. Now because of years of Cluster Fox they use innuendo and code words that mean the same thing as out right references to 'n' word among other bigoted phrases. The propaganda Faux Snooze has vomited over the years has damaged this nation for generations.

I was hoping that unrepentant racists would eventually die off and the slave plantation mentality would be looked at with disdain instead of nostalgia. That's now impossible because of the unrelenting lies spewed by Faux using there communication network as a weapon against the melting pot that is America.

[myrna minx]

57. K&R n/t

[itsrobert]

59. The MEDIA is LYING TO US ALL!

Or at least being "incovienent" with the facts. Facts are Fox aired the video on their website prior to the resignation of Ms Sherrod. They played it up that Glen Beck was going to break more into the story. So Fox did air the tape, but it was on their website. Fox apologist, how do you answer that?

[LaPera]

60. We need the great Howard Dean now more than ever....DFA

Support Dean's Democracy For America (DFA)
http://www.democracyforamerica.com/

[Kingofalldems]

62. K and R For Fox/Breitbart's good buddy

[valerief]

63. +16 trillion

[Raggz]

64. Fire Tom Vilsack - an apology is not enough

"Obama said Agriculture Secretary Tom Vilsack “jumped the gun” in dismissing Sherrod. The NAACP – which initially applauded the move to ouster Sherrod – also apologized. “You’re seeing a calamity of errors here,” Rev. Jesse Jackson said later on Fox News Sunday."

Tom Vilsack fired her without any investigation.

[itsrobert]

68. Shouldn't that be for Ms Sherrod to decide?

She said she accepted his apology.

[Raggz]

73. Not really

He fired her without any investigation.

If I were the president I would not tolerate this.

[naaman fletcher]

85. yeah but,

His was a real, actual apology as soon as he realized he was wrong. As opposed to the usual three months later lawyer written apology. I'd cut him some slack. We need more people in government who own up to their mistakes.

[TomCADem]

105. Love How People Buy Into The Corporate Media Narrative That Exonerates The Corporate Media

The White House did not splice together the video, then play it on endless loop with headlines "Racist USDA Worker Caught On Tape!"

[No Elephants]

108. Neither Breitbart nor FOX fired Sherrod.

Fake "news" has existed since before Christ was born. People who act, without hesitation, on info from known liars like Brietbart and FOX are responsible for acting precipitously on info from known liars. the Executive Branch of the United States of America is not the helpless, knee jerking, unthinking pawn of You Tube. Or of the NAACP, for that matter.

Do you realize how lame excuses like "FOX made them do it" makes the Executive Branch of the United States of America sound? You'd serve that branch much better by either remaining silent or by agreeing with their own admission of a huge error on their part.

[DesertFlower]

69. it's not just the Sherrod incident.

they tend to be racist. look at glenn beck, O'Reilly and the rest of that crew.

i also think they incite violence.

[OneGrassRoot]

77. Absolutely...

It's not this one incident at all. It's the sum of their programming, and - as Rachel Maddow pointed out so beautifully last week -- they make non-stories into 24/7 coverage on their programming (the Black Panther stuff, ACORN, Van Jones).

It's the whole picture that shows their intent (scare white people!!!), not only the Sherrod incident.

[panzerfaust]

70. Weak-kneed administration suckered by conservative hit piece

The Seattle Times puts it best:

Weak-kneed administration suckered by conservative hit piece

All of the shame that attends the despicable treatment of U.S. Department of Agriculture employee Shirley Sherrod falls on a politically skittish Obama administration, led by the weak-kneed performance of Agriculture Secretary Tom Vilsack ... http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/editorials/2012425840_edit23sherrod.html

[Raggz]

74. Tom Vilsack should be fired

Why keep Tom Vilsack?

He fired her without even making a phone call...

[No Elephants]

109. Unless Cheryl Cook was telling the truth about the WH wanting the resignation immediately.

Cook called Sherrod twice with that claim. If Cook is right, Vilsack did not need to call the WH. the WH called the USDA. If Cook lied to Sherrod, why does Cook still have her job? If Sherrod has been lying about what Cook said, why did Vilsack offer Sherrod a promotion? If they're both telling the truth, why are Vilsack and the Wh doing their best to mislead us?

See, the administration can't have it every which way.

[suzie]

134. ...

[MannyGoldstein]

71. Sorry, bad idea Howard

Speaking the plain truth about Fox? This won't help to get you out from under the bus at all.

[whathehell]

124. What bus would that be? n/t

[Anakin Skywalker]

75. Dean Telling It Like It Is!

[MissDeeds]

78. K&R for Howard

Telling it like it is. He's fearless.

[DFW]

80. Howard is beholden to no one, and has nothing to lose

That's why he is so much more in demand as a speaker than so many others.

That is probably why so many Democrats in the administration feared him once they were in the majority.
"Thanks for putting me here, but now that I'm here, I gotta play it safe, so please shut from here on."
And voilá, Tim Kaine. Howard never had much tolerance for "playing it safe," and if it meant he was too
hot for the Obama administration to handle, so be it. But it was Obama's loss, whether or not he ever realizes it.

[JNelson6563]

81. Howard Dean...STILL speaking for me!

I love this guy!

Julie

[DeadEyeDyck]

130. why does he stay on the sidelines?

He should get back in. He is young and full of energy. And a doctor too! What a mix.
Al Gore has been mothballed so we need a Dean. Obama just isn't ...

[jmowreader]

84. It's not race. Please.

Fox, Breitbart, et al, did NOT go after Sherrod because she is black.

They went after her because she is a Democrat who just happens to be black. Her color is a very distant second to her party affiliation in their eyes.

These guys are out to destroy the Democratic Party and the working class, and they'll use any means at their disposal. If racism is what they have at the time--and this CLEARLY was--they'll use it. If racism isn't applicable to the situation, they'll try something else. Look at John Kerry and Max Cleland: those guys are whiter than my ceiling and they're both war heroes. Did this help them? Not in the eyes of Fox News--they fucking turned those men's heroism against them. Don't worry about it...

Pastor Niemoller's famous poem needs to be modified for these times...

First they came for the blacks.
I spoke up about it, so they came for me.

And they'll be coming for you.

Now...if we had a Justice Department maybe they could figure out some way to hang Andrew Breitbart and Bill O'Reilly from a yardarm for this. Unfortunately, they'd much rather hang you from a yardarm for weed.

[robbob]

87. so does that mean

the NAACP are racist, too?

[cascadiance]

88. At the risk of a bad play on words, thanks Howard for calling a spade a spade!

We need more people calling Fox News out for the racist propaganda machine that they are!

[davidinalameda]

90. Dean in 2012?

just saying

[90-percent]

97. Question

I have read on a non-political board that Shirley was asked to resign before any converge of the Breitbart edited video was even aired on Fox.

Does anybody have a good time line for the sequence of events? I do recall Shirley saying on The View (I think)that the White House wanted her resignation BEFORE Glen Beck aired that night?

So that means the first night of breathless EXPOSE of the black reverse racist on Fox was aired AFTER she had already resigned?

A little help, please.

Thanks

-90% Jimmy

[DeadEyeDyck]

98. Since the gov owns the airwaves, you'd think that they

could shut down these liars anytime they want!

[DeadEyeDyck]

99. I have to admit I have not read all the threads but

I read somewhere that the order of events don't support Dean's accusation. Apparently, she was fired before Fox did the deed.

[eShirl]

100. keep reading

[DeadEyeDyck]

131. I followed your link and found some interesting stuff...

but what specifically do you want me to read?

[superconnected]

102. No! Not FOX! Not Republicans!

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

125. One can say they have... earned their reps, huh?

For real, this time!

[Loudmxr]

107. They made mince meat outa Dean.

He coulda had em but he blew it. The evidence was right there in the Breitbart tape. When she spoke of the bankruptcy act. It was obvious she was speaking of a time long ago. Newt should have known that and Dean could have called him on it. But he didn't have his facts straight.

He could have made Newt and Fox look like fools but he couldn't.

It is the tiny details that screw them up and reveal them as race baiters. I was disappointed.

[No Elephants]

110. So, how does he explain the NAACP's demand for Sherrod's resignation? Double reverse racism

[MarkInSavannah]

121. The first person I've seen here who has asked that question.

[Mad_Dem_X]

111. Howard Dean is the man!

He is not, and has never been, afraid to speak the truth, whether people want to hear it or not. He is awesome. :patriot:

[DirkGently]

117. He's right. But that's not the way to frame it.

He's playing their game by shouting "racist." It's more important that Fox lied. Again. The game of Less Racist Than Thou plays right into the hands of the race-baiters in my opinion. I think it's more constructive (and politically effective) to talk about Fox's ongoing attempts to fool people by showing carefully manipulated video. It's become their go-to trick, and it's obvious enough for anyone to understand. This incident should be laid on top of the ACORN and Van Jones smears, the "New Black Panthers" video, and other blatant lies to make the case that Fox, Breitbart, et al., should be dismissed out of hand EVERY TIME they come up with one of these.

They've embarrassed and exhausted a lot of their sympathizers by getting them lathered up with racial outrage, only to hose them off a day later with the truth. Rather than trying to prove Fox "racist," focus on the simple fact that you just cannot believe what they say, and even what they SHOW.

[AsahinaKimi]

118. I love me some Howard Dean!

He's da man!

[Larkspur]

126. Harry Truman would be proud of Howard Dean

Dean knows how to fight the Right wing. Obama needs to take a few lessons from the good doctor.

[madrchsod]

127. fox news uses the race or class card everyday..

as long as the ratings stay solid and advertisers see results they will ride that horse until it comes up lame.

[mistertrickster]

128. Anybody else think that Chris Wallace was lying when he said that "Fox didn't mention her by name

or run the video before she resigned?"

http://mediamatters.org/research/201007220004

Fox had the video up on its website BEFORE she was forced to resign.

"Caught on Tape: Obama Official Discriminates against White Farmer" with Sherrod identified and speaking at a podium under the headline. The first response to the post was at July 19, 1:41 pm.

Ockham's (old) Razor (paraphrased) -- the simplest explanation is usually the most correct.

Ockham's New Razor -- if a Fundy-CON says something that sounds like bullshit, it most likely IS bullshit.

[Zavulon]

132. Dean's right, but that also speaks very badly of the WH that was so quick to force her out.

I've seen very comparitively blame cast at the WH for following Faux's lead, and I really don't think a scrpited apology cuts it. If I were a judge ruling in a suit against Faux OR the WH, only the law would be able to dictate the limits of what I'd award her from both.