BREAKING NEWS: Judge blocks sections of Arizona's immigration law from taking effect

[CLANG]

Source: NYTimes

PHOENIX (AP) -- A judge has blocked the most controversial sections of Arizona's new immigration law from taking effect Thursday, handing a major legal victory to opponents of the crackdown.

The law will still take effect Thursday, but without many of the provisions that angered opponents -- including sections that required officers to check a person's immigration status while enforcing other laws. The judge also put on hold a part of the law that required immigrants to carry their papers at all times, and made it illegal for undocumented workers to solicit employment in public places.

U.S. District Judge Susan Bolton put those controversial sections on hold until the courts resolve the issues.

Opponents say the law will lead to racial profiling and is trumped by federal immigration law.

Read more: http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2010/07/28/us/AP-US-ArizonaImmigratio.html?_r=2

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Thanks to BeyondGeography for the link!

[jaxx]

1. This will be huge news.

I can't wait to hear what she tossed.

[wryter2000]

2. Woo-hoo

Kicking for more information! :bounce:

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[BeyondGeography]

3. Here's a link

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2010/07/28/us/AP-US-ArizonaImmigratio.html?_r=1

[Lebam in LA]

6. Thanks for the link

[jaxx]

8. Wow she stopped the having to carry papers.

I bet ol Brewer is fuming.

[donquijoterocket]

13. not alone

I'm sure you're correct and the right place, right time governor of AZ is fuming along with the majority of the rest of lower wingnutistan. There'll be calls for the impeachment or death by hanging of this judge before the ruling cools.

[EFerrari]

22. There will be big sales in beer and ammo today.

I hope nobody gets hurt although these people usually only shoot themselves and each other in their drunken brawls.

[Bette Noir]

114. The nuts didn't wait for the law to either take effect or be overturned.

The killings started a while ago.

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-immigration-arizona-20100726,0,2113319.story

[EFerrari]

116. I remember that case.

This law isn't about immigration anyway. It's just Republicans mustering their racist base.

[AlbertCat]

201. these people usually only shoot themselves and each other in their drunken brawls.

Yes, the overly credulous often eliminate themselves from the gene pool.

[Iliyah]

31. I am

pretty sure the wingnuts will call her anti-American, unpatriotic, hates America, try and dig up everything negative about her and of course just make up sh*t, and so on.

[Mike Daniels]

106. What will they say when they find out the John Kyl (R) recommended her for the postion?

That little nugget should short-circuit their little pea-brains.

[indy legend]

219. It's pretty funny that these right-wing sh!t-stains run around

touting the rule of law until the law rules against them. Then they get their boxers in bunch and start bitching about "activist judges" and this is too important to be decided by one person. However,they have no problem what-so-ever with one person deciding an issue as long as they agree with it. I didn't think it was possible after 30 years, but I hate these damn f*%ksticks more everyday than I did the day before.

[bergie321]

51. I fear

For this judge's life from the racist fringe.

[entanglement]

59. From our reich-wing friends: "The judge has made her decision...now let her enforce it."

Link obv.

[derby378]

76. Oh, great - the Trail of Tears Gambit

I understand that's pretty much what Andrew Jackson told the Supreme Court when they (unsuccessfully) blocked his administration from forcibly relocating the Seminoles and other tribes from their native lands.

[kiranon]

180. Enforcement will come from federal troops if necessary as happened

in the South with school integration. But this injunction just says you can't do something. It doesn't force them to do anything. It just stops things until the matter is further litigated.

[msanthrope]

62. The federal Marshalls don't fuck around. n/t

[proud2BlibKansan]

160. A wingnut has been spamming our local blogs for months claiming there's a clause in the

constitution that says all Americans have to carry papers all the time. LOL

[defendandprotect]

184. "Show me your papers" is un-American . . . anti-democratic . . . let's not go there!!

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[defendandprotect]

216. The law has to be enforced against the MAGNET . . . the employer .....

what Arizona is trying to do is criminalize all Hispanics in the state --

with racial profiling.

And, a racist Governor has spoken -- but can only imagine that the public is

being swayed by right wing propaganda. If that's not true, then even sadder for Arizona.


And, again --

"Show me your papers" is un-American and anti-democratic --

[Lucky Luciano]

218. Ever hear of that little law about search and seizure?

How about we pass a law that assumes white rednecks in Arizona all have illegal guns and thereforeust be searched to prove they don't have said weapons.

[stevenleser]

220. Thank you for your opinion Dirty Harry. Or should I say Mr. Freeper

Nice try.

IBTTS

[Wednesdays]

227. "The people spoke" in South Carolina in 1860, too...

How did that turn out?

Sorry...I'm probably making you wax nostalgic.

[myrna minx]

4. I can't wait for further info.

Thanks for letting us know.

[Kingofalldems]

5. K and R

[nadinbrzezinski]

7. The ask your papers please part of the law

is on injunction... not struck down

[jaxx]

11. Right, but they are blocked from taking effect today.

That is a big one.

[nadinbrzezinski]

15. Tomorrow, but yes

and mark my words, this is going all the way to the USSC before this is over.

And I knew this was going to be case on the pre-eminence clause of the Constitution.

[grantcart]

24. Yes but this is the weakest part of the law. ICE officers cannot simply

approach someone and ask for ID officers.

Their must be probable cause before anything can happen and the USSC is not going to weaken that rule.

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[Tempest]

48. Probable cause has always been abused by the cops

Arizona police are already under a federal investigation for racial profiling and this law makes it easier for the cops to do so.

[ProudDad]

60. No, it did not!

You seem to be ignoring many factoids as well as life in most of the New Mississippi, Arizona!

Racial profiling is a fucking standard operating procedure in places like Maricopa and Cochise Counties...

Why are you defending this piece of shit?

[SnakeEyes]

86. Probable cause has most certainly been the law

Calm down. They didn't say whether the law was being followed or not, just that probably cause was the law.

Such hostility.

[ProudDad]

105. If you're talking about that POS Arizona law

the standard was NOT "probable cause" but the much lower, undefined, vague "standard" of "reasonable suspicion"...

And yes, I get pretty hostile when my Hispanic brothers and sisters are attacked by a bunch of fascist neo-nazi "legislators".

Injustice and legalistic insanity ALWAYS get me hostile!

[SnakeEyes]

119. Apparently your rage..

caused you to overlook that this particular sub-thread was not discussing the arizona law but rather the federal enforcement.

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[stevenleser]

221. No, they arent. They pay taxes and keep prices low

Its a shame that people like you have set their sights on them as scapegoats.

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[LanternWaste]

141. TB patients were put into a six week quarantine, and then allowed to get processed out.

TB patients were put into a six week quarantine, and then allowed to get processed out.
(Ellis Island, Ghosts of Freedom by Stephen Wilkes-- you can "look it up") Seems my named source has a different conclusion than the sources you don't cite.

:eyes:

[grantcart]

66. No it did not.

For the first time in history you are required to carry your immigration papers with you.

Under the law a legal resident who does not have their papers faced 6 months in jail.

This means that you not only do not have to have probable cause to be pulled aside and asked for your papers, you don't have to have probable cause of an actual illegal act to go to jail.

[SnakeEyes]

84. Under state law, yes

Under federal law non-citizen legal residents have been required to carry proof their are here legally, whatever that may be such as green card or passport with visa, for inspection upon request. It's been federal law for 70 years.

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[LanternWaste]

142. I imagine many people believe that those who agree with their own positions

I imagine many people believe that those who agree with their own positions are a "voice of reason". :shrug:

[jobycom]

101. No one's ignoring that, we just have seen "probable cause" in action.

A cop can stop someone for a made-up charge--failure to use a blinker, say--and use that as an excuse to check for papers. If the individual can prove citizenship, the cop just lets them go, so they don't complain. If the person can't, the cop can arrest them and hold them until he can, or until it's proven he can't, and the original charged is dropped. Since the original charge is dropped, the cop doesn't have to prove it, so there's no penalty for illegally stopping the person in the first place.

They already do that, but this law, by making it a requirement, is simply removing the chance of Civil Rights lawsuits. The cop can say "I had probable cause, and after that I had no choice by state law," and the case is over. Understand this point fully--most of the people who will be harrassed by this law will be citizens or legal immigrants going about their daily lives, not undocumented workers. Understand also that it means that no undocumented worker will pull over for a cop in Arizona ever again. They will try to flee, because the penalty will be the same either way. This will lead to more accidents, more deaths, and less safety for the cops, which is why so many cops oppose the law.

Also understand how unnecessary the law is in terms of stopping undocumented workers. Anyone arrested for a crime automatically gets their background checked, and will automatically be deported if they are here illegally, even if they didn't committ the crime they were arrested for. If the police stop someone for legitimate reasons, they already have all the power they need. It is when they stop them for no reason that this law takes effect.

This is how the South maintained segregation for so long. This law is requiring and encouraging actions by cops that should be banned and forbidden.

[JonLP24]

108. The funny thing is

It doesn't even say "probable cause". It says "reasonable suspicion."

I know what a Terry stop is but I don't see how that applies in dealing with illegal immigration. Off the top of my head if a cop drives by someone jamming a hanger into a car door then the cop has "reasonable suspicion" to ask that person what he is doing. I don't know how you can "reasonably suspect" someone is here illegally unless you spot someone crossing the border at an unauthorized section.

[LostinVA]

131. Exactly -- good post n/t

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132. You missed the point Joby was making

He didn't say any of that at all.

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[LostinVA]

140. uh huh

:eyes:

[jobycom]

158. No, they already have that ability.

All they have to do is arrest someone for anything, and that will give them authority to check papers and deport them if they are here illegally. This law is absolutely NOT about that, since they already have that power. This law is so they can arrest anyone they want.

Before, they'd have to have some reason to arrest a person. You can stop them and question them for bogus charges, but you have to have a real cause to arrest them. This lets the cop stop them for bogus reasons, then arrest them for not having proper identification. It's a way to harrass people, not to deport criminal elements. They already have that ability.

[Bette Noir]

124. I think I love you.

I get so tired of anti-Latino racism being accepted, even here on DU.

For the record, I'm a natural-born US citizen, descended from several generations of US citizens on both sides of my family. In fact, the city I live in was founded several hundred years ago by a distant cousin of my mother's-- how's that for a claim to citizenship? In spite of that, I've had my citizenship questioned repeatedly throughout my life, because I'm not completely white. Yes, I've been pulled over by the police without any probable cause more times than I can count. Typical script: "I'm sorry, I thought your tires were bald. Now, I see you have plenty of tread. License, registration, and proof of insurance, please."

[jobycom]

147. People seem to think that happens only in movies.

Us white people, anyway. Or that it only happens now and then because of bad cops. They don't understand that it's practically policy.

And I love you, too. :blush: :rofl:

[defendandprotect]

185. Hartmann was talking about this today -- and impact on ELECTION DAY ....

Direct and indirect impact --

Hartmann was also commenting on the Rehnquist role in "making his chops" in the GOP

by being a challenger at the Arizona polls -- !!

Once you are challenged, you can't vote -- unless you can prove your identity to the

satisfaction of the officials there.

[jobycom]

198. Yeah, I started to bring up the Rehnquist case, but it took too much explaining.

But that's exactly what I think. This law is about giving cops more authority to detain and arrest Hispanics, for the same purposes that Jim Crow laws in the South were passed. They want Hispanics intimidated, afraid of authority, afraid of white areas, and afraid to live in Arizona. They have all the authority they need to find and deport undocumented workers. This bill is about intimidating Hispanic citizens and residents.

And it's about the changing power demographic in the whole southwest. Intimidation leads to lower voter turnout and apartheid-like conditions, and that might allow the conservative white leaders to hold on to power just a little longer.

[defendandprotect]

215. You've got it -- and you've said it just fine . . . !!

:)

[The Croquist]

195. Not really

Arizona will not issue a drivers license to an illegal alien. If you get pulled over for failure to use a blinker and don't have a drivers license you are driving illegally. I don't have a problem with a cop questioning who you really are. Since when does a cop stop somebody driving without a license and just let them leave without showing some kind of proper ID.

I've never been pulled over by a cop when I didn't have a drivers license. If I had been and didn't have a valid ID I would expect him to wonder who the hell I was. Pulling out a matricula consular ID is not an indication that you are here legally. Neither is not speaking english.

It is not racial profiling to question the legality of someone driving a car illegally (no license), without a valid ID and doesn't speak english without an accent or english at all. In fact under federal law non-citizens are required to carry proof of being here legally. Somehow something that the federal government requires is "racist" when enforced at the state level.

This is a disaster for November. Expect this to go before the Supreme court in early October with a media circus and expect a ruling allowing the Arizona law to go into effect. Expect this to cost us more seats in the house and maybe even in the senate. We were already in trouble despite the ridiculous claims that any loss is because of the elections being rigged. In short, as I said earlier, this is a disaster for November.

[jobycom]

217. They don't have to accept the drivers license as proof of legal status.

It's only proof of identity, and they can question its authenticity.

The biggest problem--and this is what the supporters are trying really hard to pretend not to understand--is that the law violates the rights of citizens, not illegal immigrants. It allows a cop to detain someone for not having papers, even if that person isn't supposed to be carrying papers. If they stop you and say your license doesn't show up in their system and they require a passport or birth certificate, will you be able to produce one on the spot? The federal law means that if someone is supposed to have papers and doesn't, that can be grounds for further action. The state law means that if someone can't produce papers, they are a suspect, just because they are Hispanic. That is racist by any definition any decent person can come up with.

And I don't give a crap if this is a disaster for November. Civil Rights was a disaster for Democrats for a lot of Novembers. I'd take that bill's passage and lost elections over that bill's defeat and a continued insipid party hiding meekly in Congressional corners trying not to offend anyone any day. I'm all for making some concessions to get elected, but at some point you have to do the right thing or there's no point in getting elected in the first place.

Not that I'm convinced this will hurt us in November. I'd love to see my party stand up and defend our principles for a change, instead of trying to hide from them hoping no one notices they don't really like what they are voting for.

[The Croquist]

246. You're right without proof of citizenship some innocent people may be detained

Without proof of innocence people are arrested everyday. Does that mean that we should never arrest anyone?

Maybe 7 years ago I was playing croquet in a neighbors yard (What a surprise since I am "The Croquist") when a cop pulled up. He was a Gwinnett County cop out of his jurisdiction in Dekalb County Georgia but there had been an armed robbery about 2 miles away in Gwinnett. One of us fit the description and was wearing clothes similar to the alleged perpetrator. The cop thought he found the guy but we assured him that my friend had been with us for 45 minutes. The cop left without making the arrest.

My point is that if we hadn't been there he probably would have been arrested but it wouldn't have violated his rights. It would have been because he matched the description of the alleged perpetrator.

As I said earlier, Arizona does not issue drivers licenses to illegal aliens. If you have an Arizona drivers license that is evidence that you are here legally whether you are a civilian or not. Is it proof? No. It could be a forgery or doctored putting a different picture on it but by the same argument every cop in the country could arrest everyone they pull over because the drivers license they present to them might be a forgery or doctored. How often does that happen?

The state law means that if someone can't produce papers, they are a suspect, just because they are Hispanic. That is racist by any definition any decent person can come up with

That's simply not true. The law, SB 1070, not only doesn't mention Hispanics it says that the cops can only stop someone for a reason:

B. FOR ANY LAWFUL CONTACT MADE BY A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICIAL OR AGENCY OF THIS STATE OR A COUNTY, CITY, TOWN OR OTHER POLITICAL SUBDIVISION OF THIS STATE WHERE REASONABLE SUSPICION EXISTS THAT THE PERSON IS AN ALIEN WHO IS UNLAWFULLY PRESENT IN THE UNITED STATES, A REASONABLE ATTEMPT SHALL BE MADE, WHEN PRACTICABLE, TO DETERMINE THE IMMIGRATION STATUS OF THE PERSON. THE PERSON'S IMMIGRATION STATUS SHALL BE VERIFIED WITH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT PURSUANT TO 8 UNITED STATES CODE SECTION 1373 (c).

That means that they won't be going house to house in Hispanic communities checking ID.

The biggest problem--and this is what the supporters are trying really hard to pretend not to understand--is that the law violates the rights of citizens, not illegal immigrants.

No The biggest problem is that there are an estimated 283,000 illegal aliens in Arizona or about 5% of the population.

[frylock]

118. you didn't use a turn signal..

fuck that.

[LanternWaste]

139. Who?

"people seem pretty bent on ignoring that factoid however."

Who?

[KamaAina]

9. !Si se puede!

:bounce:

[CLANG]

10. MSNBC link

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38436995/ns/us_news-immigration_a_nation_divided/

[deathrind]

12. Good

There are some here (Az) that still believe in what America was founded on. Thanks to the Judge for standing up for the constitution.

[pinboy3niner]

21. AMEN!

And welcome to DU, deathrind! :hi:

[slackmaster]

14. Federal immigration law already requires non-citizens to carry papers

Not making it a state crime simplifies things for law enforcement IMO.

[Lightning Count]

16. So can a state official ask for identification then?

?

[slackmaster]

26. A police officer who has stopped you for some valid reason can always ask for ID

I'm not sure what the ruling means.

[Lightning Count]

46. That clears a little up.

I always wondered what they do with you if you're carrying no ID and they can't determine who you are. How do they ever release you after you've been arrested?

[LiberalFighter]

65. If one is arrested aren't they fingerprinted?

And if they are fingerprinted then they check it through the database to determine or confirm identity.

And I suppose if the person is not arrested they would use other methods if needed.

[Lightning Count]

77. Fingerprints only work IF

you've been fingerprinted somewhere else. You could be the Barber Comb Killer with tons of DNA evidence, but never leaving a fingerprint. :)

[LiberalFighter]

I included that if there wasn't a match that they probably have other methods.

Some may not be as conclusive but most law enforcement personnel aren't that stupid to know those methods I'm sure. I hope.

[Kind of Blue]

69. Good point and one the judge brought up

when she asked what if I forgot my I.D. at home, would you lock me up if I were stopped? No direct answer from the attorney except for the language of the law "is in artful." No, it isn't they stated exactly what they wanted done.

[Lightning Count]

74. I was talking about what if you were arrested for a DUI

And had no ID and they could not identify you. Would you just sit in a jail cell forever? I don't see how they would let you out.

[truebrit71]

47. But you as the alien have the choice as to what you use as ID..your DL or your Green Card.

...

[Tempest]

49. A valid reason?

Like the "driving while black" reasons used in the south?

[slackmaster]

63. A cop who wants to pull you over can almost always find a reason

I'm not sure if DWB is probable cause in Arizona.

[Tempest]

148. Driving while brown is probable cause in AZ

Racial profiling in Arizona? That's nothing new, critics say
http://articles.latimes.com/2010/may/01/nation/la-na-sweeps-20100501

[ProudDad]

100. EXACTLY...

Hell, like DWB (Black) or B (Brown) here in the New Mississippi - Arizona...

[ProudDad]

67. The ruling injoined these parts of this Voter Suppresion act

1) Blocks the requirement that ALL Police MUST check immigration status (essentially during ANY interaction with people)

2) Blocks the new "Crime" of not having papers on you (6 months in jail - on top of deportation)

3) Blocks the new "Crime" of seeking work without having papers

If these "provisions" are permanently blocked, it will save my community millions of dollars in costs for extra, unnecessary work for the average cop on the street and in lawsuits for unlawful detention (of citizens and legal residents), racial profiling and harassment. My community is already 30 million in the hole, we don't need this bullshit!

[Lightning Count]

110. #2 cannot be permanently blocked. It is already required by federal law.

If you seek work without having papers then you are already committing a crime by not paying taxes. This is a problem that is not specific to non-citizens unfortunately.

[savalez]

165. PD, thanks for the 123!

[defendandprotect]

186. Evidently, there's also a provision that police would have to prove that

an alleged alien had been in the state 30 days!! ???

Hartmann discussion went into that --

and why these laws basically don't work???

But agree -- this is going to impact the election --

[sailor65]

27. Yes it does

and DU's collective and intentional blindness to that fact is staggering.

[ProudDad]

112. Do you NOT get it or do you REFUSE to get it?

This law made it a requirement to ARREST and detain in custody ANYONE who could not prove their citizenship on the spot until they were able to PROVE citizenship.

Anyway, its actual purpose has NOTHING to do with "non-citizens carrying papers" but everything to do with voter suppression and the modern equivalent of Jim Crow -- Jaime Cuervo...

[slackmaster]

144. I don't understand how you got that from "Federal immigration law already requires non-citizens..."

"...to carry papers"

I was simply stating a fact.

[Major Hogwash]

242. Legal citizens do not have to carry proof they are here legally, This ain't about immigration,

This is about targeting non-white people that live in Arizona.

Period!!

[ChairmanAgnostic]

17. proud to be rec #25

hah. watch the conservablobbisphere explode in rage.

[reformist2]

18. So what parts are still in effect? n/t

[Judi Lynn]

19. Thank you, Clang. Good for Judge Susan Bolton. Big news. n/t

[superconnected]

20. Good Judge!

"The judge also put on hold a part of the law that required immigrants to carry their papers at all times, and made it illegal for undocumented workers to solicit employment in public places."

What the hell? I knew it was bad but that sounds Nazi bad.

[UTUSN]

23. K&R #35 n/t

[grantcart]

25. People are unreccing this? Unfathonable to me.

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[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

39. Thanks for the wailing and gnashing of teeth. It pleases me. -nt

[ProudDad]

45. I live in Arizona

And this law is nothing more than VOTER SUPPRESSION and a chunk of irrelevant red meat thrown to the rapacious base of the repukes of Arizona.

The "Arizonans" who support this law are totally deluded if you think Arizona's big problems include immigration!

Arizona's big problems are the same as the nation's (but more so when we talk about water and over-population)...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=4482436&mesg_id=4482523


On Edit: Shit! You don't live in Arizona either!!! :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

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57. Voter suppression in the south

The same tactics were used against blacks in the south who couldn't prove they were legally in the country after being sold into slavery.

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[JonLP24]

90. We should support them?

:puke: :puke: :puke:

The law was authored by my State Senator Russell Pearce who is a fucking racist. It was also authored by FAIR lawyer and former Bush Justice Department Attorney. FAIR is a racially motivated organization.

I don't know about voter suppression but Latinos and Native Americans(they are sometimes mistaken for Mexican) have a very real shot at being harassed. In fact it is already happening. Off the top of my head, have you ever heard of Chandler round-up?

[ProudDad]

121. You're bordering on hopeless...

:eyes:

The RIGHT-WING FACSIST NEO-NAZIS who rule the Arizona Legislature couldn't give a FUCK about "illegal immigration". For some it's their knee-jerk pathology to want to shit on immigrants (of ANY color) and for the cynical (like Brewer), it's a ploy to get elected.

Arizona is ALL ABOUT voter suppression and intimidation. The laws about ballot access and voter requirements here are draconian -- about the worst in the country -- THINK 1950 in Mississippi!

And you're utterly clueless if you don't think the effect of 500 years of slavery has suddenly been ended because it's 2010!

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[ieoeja]

159. Over 60,000 US citizens who were not felons were prevented from voting in Florida in 2000.

They had names similar to the names of felons in Texas. That was used as an excuse to stop them from voting.

And innumerable voters have been prevented from voting by sheer intimidation over the years. That is what this is about. It does not legally prevent anyone from voting. It just frightens them out of voting.

[defendandprotect]

187. Absolutely agree -- evidently once you are challenged at the polls . . .

if you can't prove your identity satisfactorily immediately to those in charge --

you can't vote!!

[MikeW]

205. what does this have to do with the OP

If you arnt a citizen you cant vote ... period.

[Tempest]

228. It was an example of black voter suppression

Blacks with the same name as a white man on the list were scrubbed.

Blacks who had never been arrested were on the list.

Florida lost a lawsuit over the voter suppression.


The list was created by a subsidiary of Accenture, they used to be known as Arthur Andersen. The accounting company responsible for the Enron scandal. They're also very big Republican campaign contributors.

[Wednesdays]

231. Look carefully, now...

Edit: Guess this has been a rather crummy day for you, huh?

[Tempest]

225. And they were overwhelmingly black. n/t

[pinboy3niner]

235. Brewer was an expert at suppressing the Hispanic vote in AZ when she was SoS

From an article by Greg Palast:

Brewer, then Secretary of State, had organized a racially loaded purge of the voter rolls that would have made Katherine Harris blush. Beginning after the 2004 election, under Brewer's command, no less than 100,000 voters, overwhelmingly Hispanics, were blocked from registering to vote. In 2005, the first year of the Great Brown-Out, one in three Phoenix residents found their registration applications rejected.

That statistic caught my attention. Voting or registering to vote if you're not a citizen is a felony, a big-time jail-time crime. And arresting such criminal voters is easy: after all, they give their names and addresses.

So I asked Brewer's office, had she busted a single one of these thousands of allegedly illegal voters? Did she turn over even one name to the feds for prosecution?

No, not one.

http://www.gregpalast.com/behind-the-arizona-immigration-lawgop-game-to-swipe-the-november-election/

[Tempest]

150. Voter suppression of older blacks in Mississippi in 2004

Blacks without I.D. were prohibited from voting and were not able to prove they were in the country legally because they were born outside of hospitals and no records were kept.

Apparently you just crawled out of the woodwork to not know about that.

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[defendandprotect]

188. Actually, I didn't know about that . . . had I given it any thought, I might have . . .

but were any provisions made later on for recognition of their births here?

Was it in any way ever reconciled?

I absolutely agree this will be about Election Day harm -- !!

[Tempest]

229. It's up to the states and nothing has been done

There were several documented cases of it happening in 2008. One was a 90-something black woman who had no birth records or proof of who she is.

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[stevenleser]

222. Your posts are becoming more obvious as time goes on Mr. Freeper

[Tempest]

226. Or the whites who suppress black voters

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2004/12/22/143719/67

[LanternWaste]

153. What is the precise and relevant amount of time...

What is the precise and relevant amount of time to pass before an example becomes "too old?" On what objective source is that based off of?

Unless of course you take exception to this divergent question... which I've suspected for quite some time.

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[t0dd]

156. Sorry we aren't embracing your racist views.

You might try a site where other close-minded xenophobes like yourself are the norm if you are unhappy with the responses here.

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[grantcart]

178. well you made it to 70, I didn't think you would make it that far.

[JonLP24]

87. It is not the same law as fed law

The Departed and Internal Affairs are similar but they are different. It ignores many things such as humanitarian concerns such as refugees or victims of natural disasters. They will be here will their application is pending so they may not have the necessary paperwork but the government knows about them. How will regular cops know this? They won't. Another thing. It is a crime for even a lawful present alien without "papers" so those people will be taken to jail.

See I don't carry my ID with me most of the time because out of fear of losing it. However I have nothing to worry about as it is a breathing while brown law. Though that doesn't mean I'm not concerned about my fellow citizens.

[ProudDad]

117. One last time for those slow on comprehension...

IT IS NOT THE SAME LAW AS FEDERAL LAW...

It makes new state crimes designed to harass anyone who "looks Mexican".

The goal has already been achieved since numerous USAMERICAN Citizens of Mexican descent have already left the state for rational climes...that's the voter suppression piece! Most of those "Mexicans" would have voted Democratic.

http://www.gregpalast.com/behind-the-arizona-immigration-lawgop-game-to-swipe-the-november-election/

[SnakeEyes]

134. It makes one new state crime that I know about...

being in the state without proper documentation. What other state crimes does it create?

[sweetloukillbot]

169. I'll just repeat what every supporter of the law tells me when I say I'm opposed to it...

"Just read the law!"

[sweetloukillbot]

168. It makes it a hassle for Latinos to vote

The voter suppression idea is that Latinos will be harassed when trying to vote, being asked to prove their citizenship, therefore they won't show up at the polls. I don't see this law working that way personally, because the state already does this thanks to another law passed in 06 to prevent illegal immigrants from voting.

I do see it as red meat to fire up the racist base and it instantly guaranteed Brewer the Republican nomination at a time when she was trailing in the polls.

[MikeW]

207. i don't see that at all

you cant vote if your not a US citizen.

I'm beginning to think people around here want those who are not US citizens to vote in our elections.

Illegal, Unconstitutional and highly unethical.

[sweetloukillbot]

233. Right, so why do we need a state law saying you can't vote if you are illegal?

There are Mexican-Americans who are citizens and are allowed to vote in this country. However, they will be asked to prove their citizenship before being allowed to vote, therefore less Mexican Americans will be inclined to go through the hassle, or may not have necessary documentation to prove their citizenship, hence voter suppression. No one suggested that illegal immigrants should have voting rights. And contrary to the beliefs of the racists who support these laws there is no evidence of illegal immigrants registering to vote and voting in elections.

[The Croquist]

252. This is just absurd.

jobycom / ProudDad / Tempest

I don't care what skin color you are. You show up to vote, show your ID and vote. Nobody is going to question your citizenship.

[sweetloukillbot]

253. The law made it very specific what was acceptable ID - and required two forms

Some older people don't have drivers licenses - so they'd have to bring multiple bills to prove residency and then would only be given a provisional ballot. The law amounts to a poll tax under the guise of keeping illegal immigrants from voting. Yet there is not one recorded instance of an illegal immigrant voting in AZ.

[DissedByBush]

204. I don't get the part about voter suppression

Unless you think illegals should be allowed to vote.

[pinboy3niner]

254. The law caused many Hispanics who are American citizens--and eligible voters--to leave AZ

For more information on voter suppression in Arizona, read:
http://www.gregpalast.com/behind-the-arizona-immigration-lawgop-game-to-swipe-the-november-election/

[Tempest]

55. And it's a shame

Since they support the law based upon all the lies told about illegal immigrants in AZ.

[LostinVA]

56. I had no idea all DUers from AZ advocated unconstitutional law

Thanks for the info!

:thumbsup:

[Tempest]

58. " Many DUers from Az have expressed support for immigration enforcement"

And you'd know this how, considering you just showed up on DU?

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[frylock]

126. don't forget about the decapitations..

not a day passes that some poor arizony doesn't have to remove all the heads from their yards.

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[frylock]

157. well, feel free to post links citing *ONE* decapitation..

and make it a decapitation that wasn't committed by a drug or human trafficker. it has to have been committed by a gardner or dishwasher.

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[sweetloukillbot]

172. Governor Brewer said one of the reasons we needed this law was because of all the decapitations

She claimed the drug cartels were decapitating people in the AZ desert. There is no evidence of a single decapitation in Arizona. She also claimed that all illegal immigrants are drug mules. Again, no evidence. In fact the biggest problem I've heard of recently with drugs is US citizens who are minors being used as drug mules.

[JonLP24]

177. He's dead Jim

:woohoo: :party: :beer: :toast: :smoke: :bounce: :thumbsup:

[Wednesdays]

232. One down, and about 7 more to go on this thread.

*sigh*

[Tempest]

151. You're lying

admitted they were getting really tired of illegals crossing their property, burdening the hospital systems etc

A proven lie.


I think they keep their opinions mostly to themselves for fear of being kicked off this board. Probably a smart move.

Several have come out in favor of the law, but most are against it. I know because I've been here, unlike you, reading all the threads on the law.

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[Soylent Brice]

61. hi there

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=433x391525

:shrug:

[grantcart]

72. I am sitting in Yuma as we talk.

So it is your contention that AZ should be able to pass unconstitutional laws?



I also spent a lot of time in AZ during its boom time. I was a consultant to hundreds of AZ businesses that employed undocumented aliens in their restaurants, construction companies and service companies.


When AZ was the fastest growing state for 10 years they couldn't get enough of these workers.


Now that the economy is down they are looking for a scape goat.


When is AZ going to start tearing down the homes and office buildings that were 'illegally built' with illegal labor? When is it going after the profits of companies that used illegal aliens?


Answer: Never.


This is a cynical political ploy using the most unAmerican qualities; unfairness. If AZ wants to profit from illegal aliens when the times are good and they need the labor then STFU when the times are bad.

[JonLP24]

95. "Now that the economy is down they are looking for a scape goat."

EXACTLY!!!!

Russell Pearce is my State Senator and he doesn't give a shit about jobs. Businesses have been closed down and remained closed but the whole time he was been in is immigration, immigration, immigration. I'm frankly getting really fucking tired of it as we have an unemployment rate above the national average. All it is is tax cuts and immigration the RW is screaming about. Oh and Russell Pearce is hung up on gun legislation as well, gotta have guns in bars, gotta be a state where you don't need a permit to conceal carry(which I actually don't mind).

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[ProudDad]

125. As long as it's coupled with reparations

for the damage that's been done around the world by the capitalist USAmerikan Empire, repair of their local indigenous economies, the ones that were decimated by NAFTA and GATT,

and a reasonable quota were placed on legal immigration

I'd agree that some sort of guest worker program with STRINGENT labor protections might be something to consider.

[grantcart]

175. Yuma has thousands of day laborers who come in legally

That is because Yuma is ground zero with thousands of border patrol, custom and ICE agents working within a few blocks of the agricultural fields where they work and it would be rather inconvenient for them to drive by illegal workers.

The President's comprehensive plan allows for temp visas.

The current law is a cynical attempt to prevent Republicans being challenged on the right like McCain was.


It was a poorly written law that was intended to lose in the courts. That way the Republicans could say that they tried, blame Obama and AZ businesses could continue with business as usual in exploiting undocumented aliens.

[JonLP24]

73. Bullshit

I have not and no one else I know from this state on this board supports this.

Oh and I live here. The law was authored by racist fucker Russell Pearce and FAIR lawyer. Plus Arizona already has a problem with racial profiling and Arpaio was under investigation for this.

[CreekDog]

91. Lots of DUers have supported the law (Arizonans and non-Arizonans), doesn't make it right

Lots of DUers support the idea of cops being able to ask us citizens to prove we are citizens on the street.

I put up a poll about it and there was a staggering amount of support (though not a majority) before it was locked.

Lots of DUers don't think much of the constitution --that's the only conclusion I can come to when many say it's just fine for me to have to carry my birth certificate and/or passport while traveling to Arizona (I'm a citizen, however, my driver's license has never required proof of legal residency or birth certificate).

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[frylock]

122. i live in san diego..

fuck this racist crap.

[democrank]

28. Enthusiastic K & R

[Pharaoh]

29. K&R

O8)

[Soylent Brice]

30. AWESOME!!!

eat shit Brewer.
and FUCK you Arpaio.

[MissMillie]

32. All those teabaggers worried about constitutional issues

should be happy about this.

It's not the state's job to enforce immigration law.

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[FarLeftFist]

70. Deportations are up 10% since Obama took office...

And so is the crackdown on employers using illegals.

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[X_Digger]

36. BIG K&R! n/t

[Indianademocrat91]

38. YESS!

Now does this also mean Jan Brewer will melt away and her evil minions go back under their rocks?

[Bette Noir]

136. You have to throw water on her.

"I'm melting... Oh, what a world..."

[Vinca]

40. Let me guess . . . a liberal, activist judge. Right?

That will be the new Luntz talking point.

[msanthrope]

64. Nominated by Jon Kyl, appointed by Bill Clinton. n/t

[The Stranger]

41. Anyone have a link to the opinion/order?

[66 dmhlt]

155. Yes: Link to the Order from the NY Times

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/national/20100729_ARIZONA_DOC.pdf

The link to the Order at the District Court in Arizona is so busy it usually fails.

[The Stranger]

247. Thanks.

[DeSwiss]

42. K&R n/t

[ProudDad]

43. Two points...

1) This is what I expected. Those provisions were obviously unconstitutional so I expected that they would be injoined. When it gets to the Supremes though -- all bets are off in the fascist activist SCOTUS...

2) This is an example of the Great USAmerican Propaganda smoke screen in action. The media will use this new distraction to deflect the sheeple from real problems for another few days. Then they'll find another Lindsey Lohan moment to distract.

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In the Micro, that law was written by the right-wing f*cks at the misnamed F.A.I.R (Federation for American Immigration Reform) then pushed by that neo-nazi, Russell Pearce and the fascist crew that owns the Arizona Legislature. And it has served its purpose, to temporarily suppress the Hispanic vote here in too-white Arizona (and possibly finally allow the execrable Jan Brewer to "win" an election) to protect their lily-white asses in the next couple of "elections".

--------------------------------------------

Immigration is at MOST a small side-issue, even here in the New Mississippi of Arizona. "Undocumented immigrants" have NO APPRECIABLE effect on the REAL problems that face us, namely;

Resource Depletion, Catastrophic Global Climate Destabalization and Economic Collapse (End-stage capitalism)!

At most, immigration is a symptom of the disease that is end-stage capitalism. In fact, most of the "problems" here near the Mexican border are caused by a symptom of the symptom; the religo-capitalist phony "war on drugs(tm)".

This side issue is not a "cause" of anything since most of the migration occurring is of a standard historical nature; humans seeking resources for survival in spite of ephemeral "political borders" recently drawn by the latest set of global dominators.

[izquierdista]

152. What the SCOTUS will do

Remember, Roberts delivers 100% of what the business interests want. In this case, that would be cheap, undocumented workers, so I would say it is DOA when it arrives on their docket.

[xchrom]

44. recommend

[ProudDad]

52. F*cking Terry Goddard just bloviated his bullshit on MSNBC

What a shit!

He blocked an analysis of a phony election here in Tucson (a flipped election) that resulted in our loss of sovereignty over our own streets and highways...

He's running (QUICKLY TO THE RIGHT WING) against Jan Brewer for Gov...

He parrots the republican party line -- "the Feds should be doing comprehensive immigration reform" without saying a word about the republican senators and congress-critters (along with their blue-dog friends) who totally BLOCK ANY DEBATE or action towards real immigration reform in the Congress...

Goddard is another spineless mealy mouthed dem...

[Javaman]

53. What was that sounds? Oh that was the sound of heads popping over at freepland. LOL nt

[Fearless]

54. A big ol' K&R to you!

[Vidar]

68. Thank you, Judge Bolton.

[Bill McBlueState]

71. ha, ha, ha

Suck it, racists!

[Ter]

75. There goes the November elections...

:(

[derby378]

79. Says who?

Dems nationwide have a great chance to hold on to the House and Senate as long as they don't do something stupid. That's what the teabaggers are here for - to amuse us.

[Ter]

167. They did, but the feds getting involved to stop a popular law may hurt

I don't like the law either, but we should have waited until after November. This can and will be used against us.

[derby378]

176. This law is only popular amongst teabaggers and neo-Nazis

No sane people that I know of support this law in my neighborhood.

[Ter]

194. If 55% of the country are Nazis, then we are doomed

That's the support in a new poll out nationwide.

[Steve20]

200. re

"Nazi" is a bit harsh.

[savalez]

238. 81% of Americans approve of a path to citizenship.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/07/28/large-majority-of-america_n_662029.html

[Jennicut]

202. It depends on what state. In the bluer states, support is much more split.

[CLANG]

80. The freepers are going insane!

To: RoadTest

This is a judge?

No !

She is a Marxist/anarchist in a black robe.


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[Grassy Knoll]

85. Some of the shit they are spewing ..........

is going to create a riot. Get your popcorn ready.
:popcorn: :rofl:

[ProudDad]

82. Here's some of the shit that remains after the injunction

1) Tucson has a policy of prioritizing enforcement of laws that pertain to real crime; assaults, burglaries, robberies, etc. instead of Federal laws about "undocumented immigration". (Even though our Sheriff picks up more undocumented immigrants in the line of duty and hands them over to the Feds than any other Sheriff in the state -- including that POS joe arpaio) This execrable POS law enjoins us from continuing our rational policies concerning immigrants and forces us to piss away out limited resources to "enforce" Federal law.

2) Our City and police forces can still be sued by any shit-kicker who decides that we "aren't enforcing immigration laws" and if the asshole wins, TAXPAYERS pay for his fucking lawyers

3) It still saddles anyone who comes here undocumented with a FELONY charge of smuggling (oneself) into the country.

4) It is now a CRIME to stop on a street, road or highway to hire ANYONE for work at a different location.

5) It is now a CRIME to be HIRED as a day laborer if above...

6) It is a CRIME to help any undocumented person in any way or manner.

7) Officers may ARREST anyone they wish WITHOUT WARRANT for any misdemeanor! "Legal" or not.

8) Your vehicle can be confiscated if you have an "illegal alien" in it with you!

Bullshit, smoke-screen crap!

[derby378]

83. If true, then the celebrations are a bit premature

The entire bill needs to be shredded, and fast. Compromise with neo-Nazis is unacceptable.

[ProudDad]

96. Unfortunately, most of this crap

is standard for the bat-shit crazy Arizona Legislature...

There are many, even worse laws they've passed.

For instance, as of tomorrow anyone who can buy a gun (which is damn near everyone over 21) may carry it concealed nearly EVERYWHERE - including bars.

They passed a law (that the State Superintendent of 'Education' wanted) that attempts to make the HIGHLY SUCCESSFUL Ethnic Studies programs at Tucson High School illegal.

And a new "abortion" law that "prevents insurers from offering abortion services, except under the most extreme circumstances, even if only private money were used to pay for those services."

And those execrable assholes have put a measure on the ballot that would amend the Arizona Constitution to make Single-Payer Health Care illegal in Arizona... (Prop 106)

SB1070 is just the tip of the iceberg that those fascists have set afloat...

[derby378]

102. About that new concealed-carry law...

Don't you think Arpaio and his goons might hesitate a bit before harassing an anti-SB1070 protester if they think he or she is packing?

Not intended to slight the honorable men and women of Arizona's law enforcement - just the ones who actually buy into this crap.

[ProudDad]

115. Nope, they'd just shoot first and ask questions afterwards

"Don't you think Arpaio and his goons might hesitate a bit before harassing an anti-SB1070 protester if they think he or she is packing?"

Anyway, that's a COMPLETE straw man -- it's the right-wing tea-bagger fucks who are the ones who are "packing"... There will be NO Anti-SB1070 folk doing so -- and arpaio knows it...hell, he's a typical coward who preys on the weak...

[derby378]

164. Perhaps that needs to change?

Not advocating violence or anything, but you know how bullies back down when confronted with a little determined resistance.

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[sweetloukillbot]

189. Don't forget the proposal being floated to deny birth certificates to children of illegal immigrants

[JonLP24]

99. I actually knew that part would survive

The sheltering, transporting, hiring of illegal immigrants.

[ProudDad]

127. There's no such thing as an "illegal"! (n/t)

[JonLP24]

133. I said

"illegal immigrants" I avoid using the terms "illegal" or illegals".

It doesn't make any sense to me unless you use the term for anyone who breaks the law. If so I'm an "illegal". :smoke:

[SnakeEyes]

137. This is really one of the worst

repeated statements in the illegal immigration argument and I wish it would stop. It's not going to persuade anyone and makes our side look ridiculous since it just picks at the usage of a word and not any substance. Everyone knows what "illegal" is short for and means.

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[DatManFromNawlins]

250. That's because it's required by federal law already

The Feds are trying to argue that they want some but not all of federal immigration law enforcement to be handled by the states. I can't see how this puts an undue burden on ICE. Cops are already handing illegal immigrants over to federal authorities, because it is a federal crime to transport illegal immigrants in this country.

[Lance_Boyle]

104. So they kept the good parts and did away with the potential profiling part?

In that case, I applaud this ruling. Bit-by-bit, below:

2) Our City and police forces can still be sued by any shit-kicker who decides that we "aren't enforcing immigration laws" and if the asshole wins, TAXPAYERS pay for his fucking lawyers

So enforce the law and the issue is moot.

3) It still saddles anyone who comes here undocumented with a FELONY charge of smuggling (oneself) into the country.

As it should be. Coyotes are felons already.

4) It is now a CRIME to stop on a street, road or highway to hire ANYONE for work at a different location.

So you're arguing that citizens OUGHT TO BE ABLE to hire illegals at will? I thought DU was in agreement that to solve the illegal alien problem we should go after the employers. This does that.

5) It is now a CRIME to be HIRED as a day laborer if above...

Again, prosecuting the employers of illegal aliens is to correct approach to eliminating the problem. No jobs available for them = no more illegal aliens.

6) It is a CRIME to help any undocumented person in any way or manner.

It's already a crime to aid or abet other criminals.

7) Officers may ARREST anyone they wish WITHOUT WARRANT for any misdemeanor! "Legal" or not.

Misdemeanors are by definition illegal, and people are arrested for them all the time. Arrest for a misdemeanor (or felony) does not require a warrant.

8) Your vehicle can be confiscated if you have an "illegal alien" in it with you!

Aiding and abetting.

[ProudDad]

130. Are you volunteering to pay for this shit?

We don't want to have to pay for unfunded state mandates in my town...

We can't afford it...

[Lance_Boyle]

135. The easy way around that is for local LE to report all illegals discovered to ICE

There may be a suit, but then all local LE has to do is show the court that it referred the apprehended illegal to ICE. Case dismissed. Local LE did all it could.

[Bette Noir]

143. Actually, #6 is inhumane.

If I come across someone in a blood sugar crisis, I'm going to give him a snack. Same goes for bandaging someone who's bleeding, or giving water to someone who has been walking in the desert. Sorry if this goes against your notion of obeying the law, but I was raised Christian, and some of it stuck.

[soleiri]

234. Since It is a CRIME to help any undocumented person in any way or manner

I guess today when a man using a wheelchair couldn't get through a busy intersection
and I pushed him to his destination, I should have asked for his papers?

How much time should that get me?

I guess I should have left him there. :shrug:

[savalez]

237. How in the heck can they prove that you knew the person in your

car is illegal? This is ridiculous. So if you are driving around with someone who committed a crime you are automatically guilty too?

[PJPhreak]

88. Yes!!!! Woot! nt

[HardWorkingDem]

89. Guess who recommended Judge Bolton?!?!?!?

She was nominated by Bill Clinton in 2000 and unanimously approved, but was recommended by none other than Arizona Sen JON KYLE!


http://judgepedia.org/index.php/Susan_Bolton

[thereismore]

92. Yes!!!! Thank you judge Bolton. nt

[SnakeEyes]

94. Frankly I only see this as a delay...

Once it makes it's way up the courts, I expect it to be ruled constitutional. I'm not celebrating yet.

[ProudDad]

98. The Arizona Leg's war against humans is far from over!

SB1070 is standard for the bat-shit crazy Arizona Legislature...

There are many, even worse laws they've passed.

For instance, as of tomorrow anyone who can buy a gun (which is damn near everyone over 21 including most ex-felons) may carry it concealed nearly EVERYWHERE - including bars.

They passed a law (that the State Superintendent of 'Education' wanted) that attempts to make the HIGHLY SUCCESSFUL Ethnic Studies programs at Tucson High School illegal.

And a new "abortion" law that "prevents insurers from offering abortion services, except under the most extreme circumstances, even if only private money were used to pay for those services."

And those execrable assholes have put a measure on the ballot that would amend the Arizona Constitution to make Single-Payer Health Care illegal in Arizona... (Prop 106)

SB1070 is just the tip of the iceberg that those fascists have set afloat...

[CLANG]

103. I actually feel sorry for the poor lost idiot souls (if they have souls)

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2560504/posts

[Pharaoh]

196. You Kicked ass Man!

:toast: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[Bette Noir]

107. Yay.

I wasn't looking forward to having to go AROUND Arizona for a cross-country trip.

[MineralMan]

109. Everyone should keep in mind:

This is not the end of this. The judge has granted a temporary injunction on those parts of the law. There is still a court case to come. I expect the law to be overturned in that case in toto, but the rejoicing should be only over the injunction. The law still has to go to court for a full hearing.

[totodeinhere]

179. Ultimately the Supreme Court will decide this.

How will the five Fascists on the court rule?

[MineralMan]

192. I hope they rule according to the Constitution, but I'm not sure

of that. That's why I advised caution in celebrating this small victory.

[DesertFlower]

111. great news. nt

[still_one]

120. Bravo

[Iggo]

145. GOOD.

[kpete]

149. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

BEST NEWS OF THE YEAR!!!!!!!!

peace, kp

[erodriguez]

154. Justice!

[wordpix]

170. better judges in Phoenix than in NO---great news!

[jody]

174. The sections below do not appear on the surface to be the "most controversial sections" of AZ's law.

Decision at http://www.cbsnews.com/htdocs/pdf/AZ_DECISION.pdf

Applying the proper legal standards based upon well-established precedent, the Court
finds that the United States is likely to succeed on the merits in showing that the following Sections of S.B. 1070 are preempted by federal law:

Portion of Section 2 of S.B. 1070
A.R.S. § 11-1051(B): requiring that an officer make a reasonable attempt to determine the immigration status of a person stopped, detained or arrested if there is a reasonable suspicion that the person is unlawfully present in the United States, and requiring verification of the immigration status of any person arrested prior to releasing that person

Section 3 of S.B. 1070
A.R.S. § 13-1509: creating a crime for the failure to apply for or carry alien registration papers

Portion of Section 5 of S.B. 1070
A.R.S. § 13-2928(C): creating a crime for an unauthorized alien to solicit, apply for, or perform work

Section 6 of S.B. 1070
A.R.S. § 13-3883(A)(5): authorizing the warrantless arrest of a person where there is probable cause to believe the person has committed a public offense that makes the person removable from the United States

The Court also finds that the United States is likely to suffer irreparable harm if the Court does not preliminarily enjoin enforcement of these Sections of S.B. 1070 and that the balance of equities tips in the United States’ favor considering the public interest. The Court therefore issues a preliminary injunction enjoining the enforcement of the portion of Section 2 creating A.R.S. § 11-1051(B), Section 3 creating A.R.S. § 13-1509, the portion of Section 5 creating A.R.S. § 13-2928(C), and Section 6 creating A.R.S. § 13-3883(A)(5).

[MarshalltheIrish]

181. One of my most enthused DU rec's yet

I posted this news on Facebook the moment I saw it. What a sweet victory!!!

[AsahinaKimi]

182. This is good news!

YaY!

[defendandprotect]

183. Good . . . we have to go after the employer . . . not those applying for the jobs!!

[ProudDad]

190. Remember when Democrats actually used to stand for something?

Or at least pretended to?

Democratic Party Platform of 1932

In this time of unprecedented economic and social distress the Democratic Party declares its conviction that the chief causes of this condition were the disastrous policies pursued by our government since the World War, of economic isolation, fostering the merger of competitive businesses into monopolies and encouraging the indefensible expansion and contraction of credit for private profit at the expense of the public.

Those who were responsible for these policies have abandoned the ideals on which the war was won and thrown away the fruits of victory, thus rejecting the greatest opportunity in history to bring peace, prosperity, and happiness to our people and to the world.

They have ruined our foreign trade; destroyed the values of our commodities and products, crippled our banking system, robbed millions of our people of their life savings, and thrown millions more out of work, produced wide-spread poverty and brought the government to a state of financial distress unprecedented in time of peace.

The only hope for improving present conditions, restoring employment, affording permanent relief to the people, and bringing the nation back to the proud position of domestic happiness and of financial, industrial, agricultural and commercial leadership in the world lies in a drastic change in economic governmental policies.

We believe that a party platform is a covenant with the people to have faithfully kept by the party when entrusted with power, and that the people are entitled to know in plain words the terms of the contract to which they are asked to subscribe. We hereby declare this to be the platform of the Democratic Party:

The Democratic Party solemnly promises by appropriate action to put into effect the principles, policies, and reforms herein advocated, and to eradicate the policies, methods, and practices herein condemned. We advocate an immediate and drastic reduction of governmental expenditures by abolishing useless commissions and offices, consolidating departments and bureaus, and eliminating extravagance to accomplish a saving of not less than twenty-five per cent in the cost of the Federal Government. And we call upon the Democratic Party in the states to make a zealous effort to achieve a proportionate result.

We favor maintenance of the national credit by a federal budget annually balanced on the basis of accurate executive estimates within revenues, raised by a system of taxation levied on the principle of ability to pay.

We advocate a sound currency to be preserved at all hazards and an international monetary conference called on the invitation of our government to consider the rehabilitation of silver and related questions.

We advocate a competitive tariff for revenue with a fact-finding tariff commission free from executive interference, reciprocal tariff agreements with other nations, and an international economic conference designed to restore international trade and facilitate exchange.

We advocate the extension of federal credit to the states to provide unemployment relief wherever the diminishing resources of the states makes it impossible for them to provide for the needy; expansion of the federal program of necessary and useful construction effected with a public interest, such as adequate flood control and waterways.

We advocate the spread of employment by a substantial reduction in the hours of labor, the encouragement of the shorter week by applying that principle in government service; we advocate advance planning of public works.

We advocate unemployment and old-age insurance under state laws.

We favor the restoration of agriculture, the nation’s basic industry; better financing of farm mortgages through recognized farm bank agencies at low rates of interest on an amortization plan, giving preference to credits for the redemption of farms and homes sold under foreclosure.

Extension and development of the Farm co-operative movement and effective control of crop surpluses so that our farmers may have the full benefit of the domestic market.

The enactment of every constitutional measure that will aid the farmers to receive for their basic farm commodities prices in excess of cost.

We advocate a Navy and an Army adequate for national defense, based on a survey of all facts affecting the existing establishments, that the people in time of peace may not be burdened by an expenditure fast approaching a billion dollars annually. (A billion dollars!)

We advocate strengthening and impartial enforcement of the anti-trust laws, to prevent monopoly and unfair trade practices, and revision thereof for the better protection of labor and the small producer and distributor.

The conservation, development, and use of the nation’s water power in the public interest.

The removal of government from all fields of private enterprise except where necessary to develop public works and natural resources in the common interest.

We advocate protection of the investing public by requiring to be filed with the government and carried in advertisements of all offerings of foreign and domestic stocks and bonds true information as to bonuses, commissions, principal invested, and interests of the sellers.

Regulation to the full extent of federal power, of:

(a) Holding companies which sell securities in interstate commerce;

(b) Rates of utilities companies operating across State lines;

(c) Exchanges in securities and commodities. We advocate quicker methods of realizing on assets for the relief of depositors of suspended banks, and a more rigid supervision of national banks for the protection of depositors and the prevention of the use of their moneys in speculation to the detriment of local credits.

The severance of affiliated security companies from, and the divorce of the investment banking business from, commercial banks, and further restriction of federal reserve banks in permitting the use of federal reserve facilities for speculative purposes. (Hell, with an economic collapse to help, the Obamaites couldn't do this!)

We advocate the full measure of justice and generosity for all war veterans who have suffered disability or disease caused by or resulting from actual service in time of war and for their dependents.

We advocate a firm foreign policy, including peace with all the world and the settlement of international disputes by arbitration; no interference in the internal affairs of other nations; and sanctity of treaties and the maintenance of good faith and of good will in financial obligations; adherence to the World Court with appending reservations; the Pact of Paris abolishing war as an instrument of national policy, to be made effective by provisions for consultation and conference in case of threatened violations of treaties.

International agreements for reduction of armaments and cooperation with nations of the Western Hemisphere to maintain the spirit of the Monroe Doctrine.

...

Simplification of legal procedure and reorganization of the judicial system to make the attainment of justice speedy, certain, and at less cost.

Continuous publicity of political contributions and expenditures; strengthening of the Corrupt Practices Act and severe penalties for misappropriation of campaign funds.

We condemn the improper and excessive use of money in political activities.

We condemn paid lobbies of special interests to influence members of Congress and other public servants by personal contact.

We condemn action and utterances of high public officials designed to influence stock exchange prices.

We condemn the open and cover resistance of administrative officials to every effort made by Congressional Committees to curtail the extravagant expenditures of the Government and to revoke improvident subsidies granted to favorite interests.

We condemn the extravagance of the Farm Board, its disastrous action which made the Government a speculator in farm products, and the unsound policy of restricting agricultural products to the demands of domestic markets.

We condemn the usurpation of power by the State Department in assuming to pass upon foreign securities offered by international bankers as a result of which billions of dollars in questionable bonds have been sold to the public upon the implied approval of the Federal Government.

And in conclusion, to accomplish these purposes and to recover economic liberty, we pledge the nominees of this convention the best efforts of a great Party whose founder announced the doctrine which guides us now in the hour of our country’s need: equal rights to all; special privilege to none.

[SalmonChantedEvening]

191. Well done Judge Bolton!!

:kick:

[David Zephyr]

193. K&R. The rule of law over the rule of the mob.

Wonderful news!

[dinq]

197. The order from the judge

http://www.azd.uscourts.gov/azd/courtinfo.nsf/sb+1070+case+information?openview

See Document #87

[Steve20]

199. re

Funny how the feds fight the Arizona law yet have no problem with sanctuary cities. Putting 5,000 national guard on the border would be a start in the right direction.

[AlbertCat]

203. Putting 5,000 national guard on the border would be a start in the right direction.

And a waste of our tax dollars.

How about using that money to crack down on AZ employers of illegals??? THAT would be a start in the right direction.

If they can't get a job here.... they won't come here. Period.

[janx]

223. The injunction seeks to do away with "sanctuary cities."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38436995/ns/us_news-immigra...

Read on!

In addition, National Guard troops have been increased in southwestern border states.

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[Jefferson23]

213. Hey Dirty Harry, you forgot your sarcasm thingie. n/t

[stevenleser]

224. No, he's serious, as in seriously the threads resident Freeper.

[Jefferson23]

243. LOL, I wasn't sure it was possible someone would actually

call the judge in this case an activist and be serious!

Thanks for the heads-up.

[Jefferson23]

211. Judge Bolton, you took the air out of that balloon, THANK YOU!! n/t

[deacon_sephiroth]

230. on to San Fran

and then the supreme court for further pwnage

[bobburgster]

236. Chris Matthews ripped into....

the republican congressman from AZ yesterday. He basically said your full of crap, you are only using the immigration law as a political tool. The republican's have no interest in resolving it on the federal level, they just want to channel the emotions to benefit them in Nov. Obama et el need to challenge them.

[pampango]

239. Caption: Tea Party member and backer of Arizona's immigration enforcement law, shouts at an opponent

of the law after a U.S. judge blocked major portions of the statute."



http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2010/07/28/MNE21ELAJ2.DTL

"A federal judge's decision barring police in Arizona from demanding immigration documents from people they suspect of being in the country illegally was a dramatic victory for the Obama administration and civil rights groups that may be hard to overturn, at least in the short run.

"The federal government has long rejected a system by which aliens' papers are routinely demanded and checked," the judge said, quoting Justice Department attorneys.

Allowing a state to impose such a system, she said, would create "an unacceptable burden" for legal residents who might not have documentation.

There are a number of reasons legal immigrants might not have such paperwork on them, and thus risk being jailed until verification of their status, Bolton said. They could be applying for political asylum, seeking refuge as victims of domestic violence, or simply not carrying their papers when an officer stops them for a minor offense such as jaywalking."

[YOY]

244. Caption: Intellectual backwash opens her gigantic pampered pie-hole to shout at brown people.

n.t.

[CLANG]

248. Woman farts in man's face!

[creon]

240. enforcement

Those are the unconstitutional parts of the the law. AZ should have known that.
This law cannot be enforced. That are not enough police to enforce it.
There are not enough BP and other agents to enforce the border. The law against employing undocumented aliens is not enforced. People hire people with the full knowledge - or willed ignorance - that they are hiring undocumented aliens.

[Major Hogwash]

241. Doomed from the beginning!!!

No surprise that a judge said "WTF?" when this law got into her court.

The state legislators should be thrown out of office who passed this piece of garbage because they are going to make the citizens of the state pay for the legal costs of defending this piece of crap legislation!!

[DonCoquixote]

245. The first battle in a war

Florida, which only turned GOP thanks to the Cuban immigrants (that were blatantly encouraged by the GOP) is about to elect Rick Scott, who is running on bringing the Arizona law to Florida.

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[CLANG]

251. Funny, that's a recurring theme over at Freeperland... Hang there much?