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alp227 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-30-10 06:43 PM
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Jewish Group Opposes Ground Zero Mosque
Source: AP

Filed at 5:52 p.m. ET

NEW YORK (AP) -- The nation's leading Jewish civil rights group has come out against the planned mosque and Islamic community center near Ground Zero, saying more information is needed about funding for the project and the location is "counterproductive to the healing process."

The Anti-Defamation League said it rejects any opposition to the center based on bigotry and acknowledged that the group behind the plan, the Cordoba Initiative, has the legal right to build at the site. But the ADL said "some legitimate questions have been raised" about funding and possible ties with "groups whose ideologies stand in contradiction to our shared values."

"Ultimately this is not a question of rights, but a question of what is right," the ADL said in a statement. "In our judgment, building an Islamic center in the shadow of the World Trade Center will cause some victims more pain -- unnecessarily -- and that is not right."

The Cordoba Initiative did not comment Friday.

Read more: http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2010/07/30/us/AP-US-Ground-Zero-Mosque-ADL.html



Uh-oh, what is this? Pandering to the thin-skinned-yet-single-minded bigots who are quick to yell "Islam=terrorism" or are there serious concerns about funding? I generally see ADL as a good org given that ADL has condemned many bigots like Pat Buchanan, but ADL is stepping in a fire right now.
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upi402 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-30-10 06:51 PM
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1. Imagine
and no religion too
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msanthrope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-30-10 09:21 PM
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18. Religion ruins everything....n/t
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upi402 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-31-10 01:32 AM
Response to Reply #18
29. It's the screwed up 99% that makes all the rest look bad
Edited on Sat Jul-31-10 01:40 AM by upi402
oh oh!
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SLCLiberal Donating Member (27 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-02-10 01:28 AM
Response to Reply #18
85. I agree...
All religion suck.
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alp227 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-30-10 09:47 PM
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19. +1
Edited on Fri Jul-30-10 09:48 PM by alp227
CLASSIC song.
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tinymontgomery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-30-10 06:57 PM
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2. Then make it no body
can build a church, synagogue, or any thing else to do with religion on the island that way we won't insult any one.
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Downwinder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-30-10 07:31 PM
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7. how about a 1,000 mile radius
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tinymontgomery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-30-10 08:02 PM
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10. Sounds good to me
Then it won't be in the shadow in the monument.
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wordpix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-31-10 09:08 AM
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35. me, too
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Ignis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-02-10 05:11 PM
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87. How about we add a few zeros to the end of your number?
:hide:
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dgibby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-30-10 08:11 PM
Response to Reply #2
12. That's what I said when this whole mess started.
It's only fair.
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The Croquist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-02-10 07:33 PM
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95. So how do you justify that with the First Amendment?
Amendment I - Freedom of Religion, Press, Expression.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
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Sebastian Doyle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-30-10 06:58 PM
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3. Historically, the ADL has done a lot of good
But Abe Foxman, who currently leads that organization, is just another Likud KoolAid drinker who buys into all that paranoid horseshit that NuttyYahoo does.
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Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-02-10 05:24 PM
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90. Foxman thinks that antisemitism is the ONLY prejudice on the planet
And at some point, the whole ADL forgot that the only way to fight antisemitism is a universalist struggle against ALL hatred.
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iamjoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-30-10 07:14 PM
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4. That's Sad
Why not try to do outreach the victims that they shouldn't be mistrustful of all Muslims because a few whackjobs did something horrible in the name of Islam? Why not see the center as a way of helping the healing?

Of course, I don't know much about this Cordoba Institute
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t0rnado Donating Member (34 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-30-10 07:15 PM
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5. Screw the ADL
Is anyone stopping a Christian group from building churches in Oklahoma City after Timothy McVeigh's little incident?
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pettypace Donating Member (695 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-30-10 07:52 PM
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9. OKC and WTC have something in common
I believe it wasn't religious fervor that was the main cause of both attacks, but instead political angst against the US government and their unnecessary war on Iraq in 1991.
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davidinalameda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-31-10 06:11 PM
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53. did McVeigh blow up the building in the name of Jesus?
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-01-10 11:50 AM
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provis99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-30-10 07:27 PM
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6. what? The ADL is bigoted against Muslims and Arabs?
Why is this even a surprise?
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DavidDvorkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-30-10 08:03 PM
Response to Reply #6
11. Yes, it was a surprise.
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Violet_Crumble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-30-10 08:56 PM
Response to Reply #11
16. I think it's got to do with the current ADL leadership rather than the org itself n/t
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harun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-31-10 03:26 PM
Response to Reply #6
40. "our shared values" Is christo-judeo speak for "Christians and Jews will team up to
discriminate and oppress Muslim's".
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-30-10 07:33 PM
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8. Well, since it's neither ground zero nor a mosque, it's OK then. -nt
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chimpymustgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-30-10 08:31 PM
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13. No surprise. Rampant racism. Assholes.
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awoke_in_2003 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-30-10 08:51 PM
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14. "in the shadow of the World Trade Center"
news flash from 2001- the WTC no longer casts a shadow.
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-01-10 11:46 AM
Response to Reply #14
77. Good catch! Besides,, it was once the tallest building in the world. It cast a BIG shadow.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-30-10 08:53 PM
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15. "..all god`s children got guns..."
after all these centuries you`d think abe`s kids could get over their feud
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-01-10 11:58 AM
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79. Haggar's son never met Abe's other kid (or Abe). As usual, the parents were the problem.
Edited on Sun Aug-01-10 12:10 PM by No Elephants
If I remember my Genesis correctly, Abe and Sarah decided Abe should knock up slave Haggar bc Sarah was barren AND supposedly too old to bear children.

Then, when by some miracle (literally), Sarah became pregnant, they told her to walk her pregnant self far away from them.

No mention of Abe or Sarah, who were very wealthy, thank God (again, literally) even packing her a lunch for the road, let alone paying child support. And, as a slave, she probably hadn't had a chance to save up, either.

And that's the Jewish version of the story. Wonder what the Muslim version says.

Amazing what stories clergy of all faiths re-tell without blinking an eye.
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Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-02-10 05:30 PM
Response to Reply #15
93. "All God's Children Got Guns!" You're invoking (Groucho)Marxism!
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Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-02-10 05:30 PM
Response to Reply #15
94. "All God's Children Got Guns!" You're invoking (Groucho)Marxism!
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Poll_Blind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-30-10 09:02 PM
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17. And J-Street moves in AGAIN to eat the ADL's lunch because of Foxman.
Jeremy Ben-Ami, head of J Street, the dovish, pro-Israel group, said he would hope ADL would be at the forefront in defending the freedom of a religious minority, ''rather than casting aspersions on its funders and giving in to the fear-mongerers.''


The Rev. Welton Gaddy, head of the Interfaith Alliance, a Washington advocacy group, said he read the ADL statement ''with a great deal of sorrow.''


It's not the 70's anymore Abe...You are ovah!

PB
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New Dawn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-30-10 10:00 PM
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20. The Defamation League
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-30-10 10:04 PM
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21. Next up: Mormon temple on site of Mountain Meadows massacre.
Or two blocks away from it. Whatever. With perhaps a swimming pool of unity and contrition.
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Downwinder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-30-10 10:27 PM
Response to Reply #21
24. No, that would mean confronting the massacre.
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boppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-30-10 10:59 PM
Response to Reply #24
26. See #25
It's been confronted at the highest level possible.
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Downwinder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-31-10 06:37 AM
Response to Reply #26
33. I stand corrected.
Edited on Sat Jul-31-10 06:43 AM by Downwinder
I was not aware of the events of the last 20 years.
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boppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-30-10 10:58 PM
Response to Reply #21
25. The Mormon church maintains a portion of the Mountain Meadows memorial.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-31-10 02:18 AM
Response to Reply #25
30. And I have no problem with the Saudis paying for the 9/11 memorial.
It's way over budget.

But a memorial isn't a temple, now is it? Dear God, DID THEY BUILD A MORMON TEMPLE ON THE SITE OF THE MOUNTAIN MEADOWS MASSACRE?

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boppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-31-10 02:00 PM
Response to Reply #30
38. A temple is not the same as a nearby community center with a prayer room.
Manhattan is also not the same as an unpopulated pasture.
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-01-10 12:21 PM
Response to Reply #21
80. Not remotely comparable, but thanks for that insight into your attitudes.
At the time of that massacre, how many Mormons in the U.S. and worldwide not only did not participate in the massacre but had no knowledge of it?

18 Saudis and 1 Egyptian flew those planes under the direction of another Saudi because of U.S. foreign policy at a time when 1.4 billion Muslims existed. Flying into the towers was not the act of the religion of Islam or even of its leaders.

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Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-02-10 05:26 PM
Response to Reply #21
91. You can't hold 9/11 against ALL Muslims.
It was a handful of crazies, and 99% of the Muslim world condemned the attacks.

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Unvanguard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-30-10 10:14 PM
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22. This Jew says "Fuck the ADL." n/t
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Frank Booth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-30-10 10:20 PM
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23. Isn't it about time the Anti-Defamation League changed it's name?
I must be remembering incorrectly, but a long time ago the ADL seemed to be a progressive organization. Now, whenever I hear of Abraham Foxman, he's pushing a hard right, pro-Likud agenda on America.
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-31-10 05:32 PM
Response to Reply #23
52. You got that right....it is just like every other instance in which the NeoCons are pushing their
way into institutions and trying to influence public opinion.
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Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-02-10 05:28 PM
Response to Reply #23
92. Yeah...they need to remove the "Anti-" from their name.
n/t.
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-30-10 11:16 PM
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27. I remember they said after 9/11 the airport book stores started stocking
books on Islam and such. I thought that was such a great responce to what happened to the world on that horrible day.
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-30-10 11:37 PM
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28. I still hold out hope that Abe will choke to death while dining with Norman Podhoretz and...
and Midge Decter
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western mass Donating Member (718 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-31-10 05:27 AM
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31. Jews can be bigots, just like everybody else.
Thanks for the reminder, ADL.
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-31-10 06:09 AM
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32. It is NOT a mosque
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HEyHEY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-31-10 07:25 AM
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34. No, racism is counter-productive to the healing process
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totodeinhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-31-10 04:57 PM
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46. What has this got to do with racism?
Muslims are of all races including Caucasians and if that mosque is completed people of all races will use it. Even some ethic Jews have converted to Islam.So how is this racism?
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Violet_Crumble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-31-10 05:07 PM
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49. Just like when it comes to anti-semitism, it's bigotry and not racism...
Both racism and bigotry are just as ugly as each other, wouldn't you agree?
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totodeinhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-31-10 05:15 PM
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50. Yes of course. It is bigotry. But that's not what the poster said. He or she called it "racism"
and as you said, it is not racism. I am striving for accuracy on this subject. If we misspeak as that poster did, it just gives the right wing another talking point.
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-01-10 12:27 PM
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81. I never care what the Right says, but I agree 100% we should not say racism when we
mean religious bigotry.
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HEyHEY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-31-10 10:01 PM
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54. Honestly, do we have to make a fucking federal case out of it everytime someone mistypes?
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totodeinhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-01-10 09:10 AM
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56. That was more than mistyping. The term "racism" is wrongly applied in this type of situation all the
time. We need to learn the difference between "bigotry" and "racism."
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-01-10 10:25 PM
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totodeinhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-01-10 11:38 PM
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84. Personal attacks and name calling of this nature are not allowed at DU. n/t
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wordpix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-31-10 09:13 AM
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36. if this Islamic community is committed to peace, welcome. If it's funding terrorists,
there are laws against it. There are no published specifics about the latter and it seems the group is working with the city to make sure that isn't happening.
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Tempest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-31-10 10:14 AM
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37. It was ADL members who planned terrorist attacks in Los Angeles targeting mosques

ADL needs to clean its own house before going after others.
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Violet_Crumble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-31-10 04:08 PM
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42. It was the JDL, an entirely different group...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Defense_League

The ADL to their credit, are totally opposed to the terrorist nature and extremism of the JDL...
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-31-10 02:13 PM
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Posteritatis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-31-10 03:33 PM
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41. *facepalm* (nt)
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Violet_Crumble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-31-10 04:23 PM
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43. After reading a related thread in GD, I'm getting the feeling you don't much care for Muslims...
After all, it takes some very 'creative' stretching to turn a community centre at the WTC site into Iwo Jima...
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Posteritatis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-31-10 10:57 PM
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55. Hell, it takes some stretching to bring the WTC site into this at all
...since it's not being built at the WTC site.
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-31-10 04:42 PM
Response to Reply #39
44. What? A reenactment for a photographer?
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-31-10 04:46 PM
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45. Why even weigh in on this?
Their credibility has now suffered a self-inflicted blow.

It's not even an ADL issue.
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Douglas Carpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-31-10 04:58 PM
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47. ‘ADL’ statement rationalizing bigotry draws wide scorn


by Philip Weiss on July 30, 2010 ·

http://mondoweiss.net/2010/07/adl-statement-rationalizing-bigotry-draws-wide-scorn.html


It's happened: the Anti-Defamation League has overplayed its hand (in this case, neoconservative Islamophobia) in such a glaring manner that it is being condemned at every quarter-- a statement from the group opposing the construction of a mosque near Ground Zero in New York. The statement openly abandons civil rights, standing for no principle at all except majoritarian intolerance:

Proponents of the Islamic Center may have every right to build at this site, and may even have chosen the site to send a positive message about Islam. The bigotry some have expressed in attacking them is unfair, and wrong. But ultimately this is not a question of rights, but a question of what is right. In our judgment, building an Islamic Center in the shadow of the World Trade Center will cause some victims more pain – unnecessarily – and that is not right.

MJ Rosenberg says that ADL has joined the bigots. Joshua Holland at AlterNet: "I guess the once-important ADL is admitting that it’s an organization dedicated not to combatting hatred and bigotry, but simply another organ pushing far-right, Islamophobic conspiracy theories." Krugman at the Times has also landed on the ADL: "One thing I thought Jews were supposed to understand is that they need to be advocates of universal rights, not just rights for their particular group."

The Economist blog nails it:

IN LIGHT of the Anti-Defamation League's recent statement opposing the construction of an Islamic centre near Ground Zero, they ought to no longer claim that their organisation fights "all forms of bigotry, defends democratic ideals and supports civil rights for all." More accurate would be saying that the ADL fights some forms of bigotry, defends democratic ideals except when it comes to Muslim Americans exercising their right to worship, and supports civil rights for all except when such support would bother some people.

Read that statement and tell me if you've ever seen anything so lily-livered and equivocating

The Council on American-Islamic Relations has called on ADL to retract the statement:

"It is shocking that a group claiming to seek 'justice and fair treatment for all' would side with those engaged in one of the most egregious Islamophobic smear campaigns in recent memory," said CAIR National Executive Director Nihad Awad. "We ask the ADL to reconsider and retract this ill-considered and divisive statement. With its shameful statement, the ADL is exploiting and fueling the rising level of anti-Islam sentiment in our society." Awad urged ADL members to contact the Jewish group's leaders to express their opposition to the statement against the Islamic community center.

Alex Pareene at Salon:

Opposition to the Cordoba House was limited, initially, to right-wing populist kooks like the editorial board of the New York Post, and their rage-columnist Andrew Peyser. Then it went national, as people who know damn well what they're doing stoked ethnic resentments and encouraged plenty of otherwise decent people to give in to base fears of scary Arabs who want to kill you, all of you, because that is their nature.

Remember that Brian Lehrer, the progressive talk show host at WNYC, licensed this sort of intolerance with his show on which he grilled the wife of the mosque's imam for her views re Israel. Note too that the Krugman places the discussion in a very Jewish context. His headline is "Bad for the Jews" and he concludes "We can't afford to live in a tribal world."

http://mondoweiss.net/2010/07/adl-statement-rationalizing-bigotry-draws-wide-scorn.html


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Douglas Carpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-31-10 05:06 PM
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48. The Defamation League by Joe Klein ---
Edited on Sat Jul-31-10 05:19 PM by Douglas Carpenter


The journey of the (Anti-)Defamation League from beacon of tolerance to slightly potty geyser of toxic foolishness continues apace. Two years ago, Abe Foxman--the ADL's very much over the hill president--accused me of anti-semitism for pointing out the Israel-first tendencies of more than a few neoconservatives, especially when it came to plumping for war with Iran (if you don't believe me, read anything--anything--that the goofy harridan Jennifer Rubin writes about Israel or President Obama over at the Commentary blog). Then, earlier this year, Foxman accused David Petraeus of being anti-Israel for making the indisputable point the the Israeli-Palestinian conflict doesn't make life any easier for US troops fighting in the region. And now Foxman has hit the jackpot, joining the intolerant know-nothings who are seeking to block the establishment of a mosque--actually an Islamic center-- near Ground Zero. The tragedy here is that the Islamic Center is precisely the sort of institution that the Anti-Defamation league traditionally supported:

Oz Sultan, the programming director for the center, said the complex was based on Jewish community centers and Y.M.C.A.'s in Manhattan. It is to have a board composed of Muslim, Christian and Jewish leaders and is intended to create a national model of moderate Islam.

“We are looking to build bridges between faiths,” Mr. Sultan said in an interview.

City officials, particularly Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg, have forcefully defended the project on the grounds of religious freedom, saying that government has no place dictating where a house of worship is located. The local community board has given overwhelming backing to the project, and the city's landmarks commission is expected to do the same on Tuesday.

“What is great about America, and particularly New York, is we welcome everybody, and if we are so afraid of something like this, what does that say about us?” Mr. Bloomberg asked recently.

During the high-tide of anti-semitism, and then again during the civil-rights movement, and often since, the Anti-Defamation League transcended its Jewish origins to stand as a courageous American voice against prejudice. But now, it's making a mockery of its original mission and, in the process, it has sullied American Judaism's intense tradition of tolerance and inclusion. I miss the old ADL and so does America. Foxman should be fired immediately. (Meanwhile, hooray yet again for Michael Bloomberg.)



Read more: http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2010/07/31/the-defamation-league/?xid=rss-topstories#ixzz0vIfS1g3b



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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-31-10 05:28 PM
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51. Sad...very sad that the ADL even got involved in this....
Edited on Sat Jul-31-10 05:30 PM by BrklynLiberal
There are churches and synagogues in the shadow of the WTC...AND there were Muslims who died on 9/11....

I am stunned that I agree so wholeheartedly with Bloomberg!!!
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Honeycombe8 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-01-10 09:58 AM
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57. I agree with them. It was an "in your face" move and unnecessary. But....
But some council or committee approved it, so it's a done deal, I think.

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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-01-10 11:14 AM
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58. HELllllooo, AP. The Anti-Defamation League is NOT a civil rights group, Jewish or otherwise
Edited on Sun Aug-01-10 11:18 AM by No Elephants
Btw, in America, what are "Jewish civil rights," anyway?
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azurnoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-01-10 11:32 AM
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59. Debate Heats Up About Mosque Near Ground Zero
Source: NYT

An influential Jewish organization on Friday announced its opposition to a proposed Islamic center and mosque two blocks north of ground zero in Lower Manhattan, intensifying a fierce national debate about the limits of religious freedom and the meaning of the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks.

The decision by the group, the Anti-Defamation League, touched off angry reactions from a range of religious groups, which argued that the country would show its tolerance and values by welcoming the center near the site where radical Muslims killed about 2,750 people.

But the unexpected move by the ADL, a mainstream group that has denounced what it saw as bigoted attacks on plans for the Muslim center, could well be a turning point in the battle over the project.

In New York, where ground zero has slowly blended back into the fabric of the city, government officials appear poised to approve plans for the sprawling complex, which would have as many as 15 stories and would house a prayer space, a performing arts center, a pool and a restaurant.

But around the country opposition is mounting, fueled in part by Republican leaders and conservative pundits. Sarah Palin, the 2008 Republican vice-presidential nominee, has urged “peace-seeking Muslims” to reject the center, branding it an “unnecessary provocation.” A Republican political action committee has produced a television commercial assailing the proposal. And former House Speaker Newt Gingrich has decried it in speeches.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/31/nyregion/31mosque.html?partner=rss&emc=rss

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iamtechus Donating Member (868 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-01-10 11:32 AM
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60. Peace is War, Love is Hate
And now the Anti-Defamation League is in the business of defaming muslims.
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-01-10 11:32 AM
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61. This is why all religion sucks.
I wish they would just grow up.
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bowens43 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-01-10 11:32 AM
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64. I agree 100%
religion promotes ignorance, hatred and bigotry. It should be discouraged. It should not be on the public air waves and it should not be allowed to influence the minds of innocent children.
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Behind the Aegis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-01-10 11:32 AM
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65. So you are against the proposed center as well? n/t
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Violet_Crumble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-01-10 11:32 AM
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67. The ADL isn't a religious organisation. It claims to be opposed to bigotry...
..which is of course a complete lie. They've shown they don't oppose bigotry against Muslims. Their ignorance and hatred doesn't stem from religion, but from an ultranationalistic, very right-wing, neoconservative Israel At All Costs mindset. And it won't surprise me at all to see people defending the ADL's bigotry against Muslims by labelling those who complain about it as being anti-semitic. After all, Abe Foxman has a track record of labelling criticism of Israel as bigotry...
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burnsei sensei Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-01-10 11:32 AM
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62. This so-called debate is a non-starter.
The mosque and center will be built.
The "heat" it generates elsewhere doesn't matter.
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harmonicon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-01-10 11:32 AM
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63. some "debate"
Isn't calling this a debate like saying the KKK is interested in debating why - not only if - whites are inherently superior to others? The fact that this level of hatred is allowed to pass for public debate is absolutely frightening.
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Politicalboi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-01-10 11:32 AM
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66. So should they get rid of the other
Mosque that has been there for 40 years? Religion is such a joke. But unfortunately we all pay the price.
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iamjoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-01-10 11:32 AM
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68. It's Very Sad, Really...
I can't think of a logical reason for opposing it. The negative reactions are based on fear.

In the immortal words of Yoda: Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-01-10 11:32 AM
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71. "Hate leads to suffering."
It's no wonder Yoda's wisdom is prized in the movies. If only we understood that in real life. Very sad, indeed...

Sadder still, I'll bet a lot of people who cheer Yoda in the theaters are the very same people who ally themselves with the haters opposing the Muslim center in New York.

There seems to be a kind of selective (and even devotional) partisan response operating. If Saint Sarah pronounces her judgement (even if only in a tweet), the followers latch on and toe the line, despite all they've ever known or learned.
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Dogmudgeon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-01-10 11:32 AM
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75. Yoda? Sounds like Sakyamuni.
But he (Buddha) was another religiulous basstid ...

--d!
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SemperEadem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-01-10 11:32 AM
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69. ok--NO religious institutions within a mile perimeter of Ground Zero
none at all.

No churches, synagogues, temples, store-front houses of worship and chicken wings.

If one can't, none can.

and since when should the rest of the country weigh in on what goes on in NYC? So now all of a sudden, NY is sacred, when the rest of the year, all you hear is vilification of NY and NYers--that they are "like us", "not real Americans"?

Is this mess what they mean by the tea party hijacking 9/11?
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-01-10 11:32 AM
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74. That would be giving in to the haters
The Cordoba Center has met the same requirements applied to other developments. There is no reason why it should not be built.

And I think you're right--the teabaggers are trying to hijack 9/11, just like Beck is trying to hijack the civil rights movement. And he'll be joined in his 'I Have a Scheme' event at the Lincoln Memorial by Sarah Palin. They'll celebrate the troops and tell us how George Wallace and Bull Connor fought for social justice. Just like the haters tell us that the Muslim congregation that lost members on 9/11, and handed out water to firefighters that day, wants to train suicide bombers.
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gauguin57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-01-10 11:32 AM
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70. We need a little John Lennon this morning ...
Imagine there's no countries
It isn't hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion too
Imagine all the people
Living life in peace

You may say that I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will be as one

-- John Lennon
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-01-10 11:32 AM
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72. A little John Lennon is always good, gauguin57... nt
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-01-10 11:32 AM
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73. Except there is no mosque at Ground Zero
Kinda deflates the debate right there.

:shrug:
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12string Donating Member (443 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-01-10 11:32 AM
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76. The Mayflower
was full of people trying to escape religious persecution.America is supposed to believe in freedom of religion.I don't care what they build near ground zero.I'm still too pissed about the lack of a real investigation of who really was responsible for ground zero existing in the first place.That debate has never really been approached.
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Lance_Boyle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-02-10 10:50 AM
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86. Slight correction -
the mayflower was full of rabid fundamentalpatients who were kicked out of the tolerant Netherlands. They came to the "new world" for freedom to persecute amongst themselves as they wished, not to escape persecution.

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Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-10 04:32 PM
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98. And the Puritans didn't respect the freedom of people NOT to be Puritan
Just ask Anne Stokes or Roger Williams.

To say nothing of all the Catholics and Jews they must have burned out of New England.
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-01-10 12:57 PM
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82. Then they came for the Muslims, and I didn't speak up because I'm not a Muslim.
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Ignis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-02-10 05:14 PM
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88. +1
Glad to see someone remembers the painful lessons that history has taught us.
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Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-02-10 05:21 PM
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89. The ADL has forgotten that Muslims were among the innocent victims of 9/11
A large number of them worked at the WTC and died when the planes hit.

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Borderlineanarchist Donating Member (29 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-03-10 12:21 AM
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96. The ADL are idiots! Why NOT build a Mosque on the site of a Muslim-inspired attack...
-- and why NOT build a Benihana on the site of the USS Arizona?
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Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-04-10 04:02 PM
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97. This seems an appropriate thing to post here:
I just found this in the "Comments" section of Joe Klein's article about the Anti-Defamation League's opposition to the Islamic Community Center:



"Partial List of Muslim 9/11 Victims:

Note: This list is as yet incomplete and unconfirmed. It has been compiled from the Islamic Circle of North America, the Newsday victims database, and reports from other major news organizations. The victims' ages, employers, or other personal information is included when available, along with links to further information or photos.

Samad Afridi
Ashraf Ahmad
Shabbir Ahmad (45 years old; Windows on the World; leaves wife and 3 children)
Umar Ahmad
Azam Ahsan
Ahmed Ali
Tariq Amanullah (40 years old; Fiduciary Trust Co.; ICNA website team member; leaves wife and 2 children)
Touri Bolourchi (69 years old; United Airlines #175; a retired nurse from Tehran)
Salauddin Ahmad Chaudhury
Abdul K. Chowdhury (30 years old; Cantor Fitzgerald)
Mohammad S. Chowdhury (39 years old; Windows on the World; leaves wife and child born 2 days after the attack)
Jamal Legesse Desantis
Ramzi Attallah Douani (35 years old; Marsh & McLennan)
SaleemUllah Farooqi
Syed Fatha (54 years old; Pitney Bowes)
Osman Gani
Mohammad Hamdani (50 years old)
Salman Hamdani (NYPD Cadet)
Aisha Harris (21 years old; General Telecom)
Shakila Hoque (Marsh & McLennan)
Nabid Hossain
Shahzad Hussain
Talat Hussain
Mohammad Shah Jahan (Marsh & McLennan)
Yasmeen Jamal
Mohammed Jawarta (MAS security)
Arslan Khan Khakwani
Asim Khan
Ataullah Khan
Ayub Khan
Qasim Ali Khan
Sarah Khan (32 years old; Cantor Fitzgerald)
Taimour Khan (29 years old; Karr Futures)
Yasmeen Khan
Zahida Khan
Badruddin Lakhani
Omar Malick
Nurul Hoque Miah (36 years old)
Mubarak Mohammad (23 years old)
Boyie Mohammed (Carr Futures)
Raza Mujtaba
Omar Namoos
Mujeb Qazi
Tarranum Rahim
Ehtesham U. Raja (28 years old)
Ameenia Rasool (33 years old)
Naveed Rehman
Yusuf Saad
Rahma Salie & unborn child (28 years old; American Airlines #11; wife of Michael Theodoridis; 7 months pregnant)
Shoman Samad
Asad Samir
Khalid Shahid (25 years old; Cantor Fitzgerald; engaged to be married in November)
Mohammed Shajahan (44 years old; Marsh & McLennan)
Naseema Simjee (Franklin Resources Inc.'s Fiduciary Trust)
Jamil Swaati
Sanober Syed
Robert Elias Talhami (40 years old; Cantor Fitzgerald)
Michael Theodoridis (32 years old; American Airlines #11; husband of Rahma Salie)
W. Wahid"

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