Documents on FBI's surveillance of Kerry stolen

[osaMABUSh]

"FBI documents detailing government surveillance of John Kerry in the early 1970s have been stolen from the home of a historian in a suburb of San Francisco, California."

"Historian: 'Odds are in favor' of political motive in theft"

Shades of the Watergate break-in?

http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/West/03/27/kerry.documents/index.html

[yardwork]

1. I checked over at Freerepublic today - they're accusing Kerry!

They think that Kerry stole these documents.

[Dufaeth]

3. What would that accomplish?

He should be able to obtain them again right? Seems more like a political stunt to me.

[The Backlash Cometh]

6. This would be exactly what the Freepers would conclude.

They were probably stolen by Republican operatives for that purpose alone. I'm sure there are duplicates somewhere to offset the negative spin.

[grytpype]

2. Daniel Ellsberg's psychiratrist...

... call your office!

[drthais]

4. this is SO SO SO

way better than Watergate''

I read that three of fourteen boxes are missing
and the remaining boxes had been rifled through

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[SCRUBDASHRUB]

5. Re: Kerry stealing/??

That is the most absurd thing I've ever heard!!!?? I can totally see the smear machine "dumpster diving," stealing stuff from people, etc.

[drthais]

7. well,. the local cops are on it

or so I've heard

of course Kerry's people are not behind it
but it would be so interesting
to find out who IS!!!!


ha ha ha ha ha

[SilasSoule]

9. Some agressive and desperate Faux Reporters?

just speculating.



:evilgrin:

[yltlatl]

8. So are there other copies of the docs?

Have these docs been published anywhere yet? Something tells me they will turn up sometime in the next few years, and they will have been doctored up to look very very bad--such as corroborating that Kerry advocated assassinating senators or some bullsh** like that. Anyone know anything?

[gbwarming]

10. So is the Clarke story over?

This surfaces just in time to divert the sunday morning news shows. Coincidence?

[Junkdrawer]

11. This is soooo classic Rove...

I've been saying this for months, if not years, now. Rove pulls dirty tricks to make it look like his opponent pulls dirty tricks...

Remember the Bush debate tape that showed up at Gore's door..

Remember the blow up with "trashing the Whitehouse"...

Its what he does.

[Junkdrawer]

13. Here's a sample from January...

Karl Rove is a master at the self-inflicted dirty trick. I would expect that as this year progresses, we'll see any number of incidents that make 'ole Georgie look like a beat-up puppy. And it will all come from Rove.


Rove's dirty fingerprints could also be seen in the Iowa Senate race between Tom Harkin and GOP candidate Greg Ganske. A few months ago, a story was leaked that the Harkin campaign had employed a spy within the Ganske campaign. To put this in a Rove context, we must go back to the 1986 Texas gubernatorial race in which Rove's candidate Bill Clements was taking on Democratic Governor Mark White. Just before a debate between the two candidates, Rove spun the story that his office had been bugged. No proof. But the insinuation that White's people had carried out the bugging was reported by the media. In the election, Clements defeated White. Rove stashed away more political capital into his already heavy knapsack of ill-gotten IOUs.

During the 2000 presidential campaign, we were obviously treated to more Rove chicanery when the following Associated Press story hit the wires: "A woman who worked for a media company that produced ads for President George W. Bush's campaign was indicted for secretly mailing a videotape of Bush practicing for a debate to Vice President Al Gore's campaign." Yes, that videotape, along with a 120-page briefing book, just happened to turn up in Gore's headquarters as fast as the CD-ROM turned up in Lafayette Park. The sourcerer Segretti must be very proud of his apprentice. In 1980, no Republican bemoaned the fact that Jimmy Carter's debate briefing book was swiped and found its way into the hands of the Reagan-Bush campaign. In Rove's world, its only an affront when someone "steals" your own campaign secrets and not when your are on the receiving end of a heist.

Exposing Karl Rove

It's what he does. No one has spent more time doing dirty tricks and covering up behind himself than Rove. And the beauty of the self-inflicted dirty trick is that it is so difficult to expose the trick. Get a third party to expose a know skeleton in your candidate's closet at the last minute and EVERYONE will think your opponent has "gone dirty".

About the only defense for Rove is to "bell the cat". Make sure that everyone knows his MO so that when the inevitable self-inflicted dirty trick occurs, Rove will be the chief suspect. Of course, this assumes an honest press. But something must be done...




http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=993237

[Judi Lynn]

12. Gee, this sounds strange, for some reason.

"It was a very clean burglary. They didn't break any glass. They didn't take anything like cameras sitting by. It was a very professional job," Nicosia said.
(snip)

Can anyone verify the whereabouts of the Cuban Watergate Burglars who also took part in the Elsberg psyciatrist's office break-in?

Kerry, who obtained his personal FBI files years ago, knew of the surveillance, but the VVAW files obtained by Nicosia detail more extensive surveillance than the senator from Massachusetts might have realized.
(snip)

Kerry was seen as a tactical "conservative" among the antiwar veterans, the FBI documents say. The 27-year-old typically opposed demonstrations that would lead to arrests.

"A review of the subject's file reveals nothing whatsoever to link the subject with any violent type activity," said a May 1972 FBI memo about Kerry provided by his campaign.
(snip)

He sounds as if he did absolutely everything by the book.

Didn't we all imagine this kind of stupid, brute dirty trick was well behind us, way back there in the '70's?

They must be really desperate to keep our country a one-party country. You know if they could lock Democrats out altogether they surely would.

Which is the ONLY party to have ever done things like this? Which is the party to have suffered assassinations and continual assault from the other? Doesn't anyone ELSE find this hard to overlook?

[gbwarming]

14. Weird, CNN reported on the Kerry documents last Tuesday

Documents reveal FBI surveillance of Kerry in early 1970s
From Phil Hirschkorn
CNN
Tuesday, March 23, 2004 Posted: 7:54 PM EST (0054 GMT)

NEW YORK (CNN) -- John Kerry's combat experience in Vietnam is central to his bid to become the next commander-in-chief, but Kerry's outspoken opposition to that war drew the personal attention of the president of the United States and FBI agents 33 years ago, documents reviewed by CNN reveal.
<snip>
Kerry obtained his personal FBI files years ago, but the 20,000-page VVAW file, obtained by Nicosia in 1999, reveal a more persistent surveillance. Nicosia shared portions of the files during the past few days with CNN and the Kerry campaign.

"It is almost surreal to learn the extent to which I was followed by the FBI," Kerry said in a written statement to CNN Monday.
<snip>
http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/03/23/kerry.fbi/index.html

(These were copies obtained througha FOIA request, not the originals.)

[IndianaGreen]

15. Gerald Nicosia got the documents through the FOIA

Nicosia apparently does not have additional information gathered outside his FOIA requests. I don't see the point of stealing those documents when they are available to just about anyone else.

Who benefits from this?

[dweller]

16. Somewhere

a document shredder is working overtime,
dp

[Moderator]

17. dupe

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=448272