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Florida_Geek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 03:56 PM
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BBC -- breaking Georges Soro attacked in Kiev
Edited on Wed Mar-31-04 03:57 PM by Florida_Geek
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PROGRESSIVE1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 03:56 PM
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1. Where does it say this???
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Florida_Geek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 03:57 PM
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2. Banner at top of page only for now
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Spoon Donating Member (401 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 05:13 PM
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34. How do they expect him to get "Out of Ukraine"
if he's glued to something? :)
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Cush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 03:59 PM
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3. Scroll at the top
LATEST: Philanthropist banker George Soros attacked at Kiev conference, More soon.
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radwriter0555 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 04:01 PM
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PNAC put the hit out on Soros, did they?
I just hate them, I really do....
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 10:34 PM
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50. I WILL TAKE A STAND FOR SOROS, WITHOUT "APPEASING" PNAC,...
,...24/7,...

And,...I believe the "world" is with me,...without my provocation of "bring 'em on",...'cause I am with the rest of the world instead of being for "just me".
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 03:59 PM
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4. Hope it was verbal
:headbang:
rocknation
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PartyPooper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 04:07 PM
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21. I'm thinking it was verbal. George Soros likely travels with bodyguards.
He knows those on the far right don't especially care for him.

In any case, I certainly hope he's okay.

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UrbScotty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 04:00 PM
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5. WTF?!
I can't believe it!
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CO Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 04:00 PM
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6. Is Cheney's Undisclosed Location in Kiev Now?
:-)
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TroglodyteScholar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 04:01 PM
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7. "More soon..."
Come on, BBC, let's have it!

Everyone send positive thoughts & hope for the best......
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phaseolus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 04:01 PM
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8. cui bono??
I hope to hear that he's fine, but if he's hurt or killed, who would benefit?? :tinfoilhat:
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Ripley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 04:02 PM
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11. Rupert Murdock to name one.
The Smirkaholic to name two.
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radwriter0555 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 04:02 PM
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12. The PNAC stands to benefit. He's the financier behind their opposition...
of course.
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54anickel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 04:01 PM
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9. Glue and water
http://english.pravda.ru/world/20/92/370/12396_Ukraine.html

Famous financier and philanthropist George Soros was poured with glue and water at the conference "Human Rights at Elections" in Kiev.
Two young people came into the conference room and poured the panel members (including George Soros) with glue and water. They were shouting, "Long live to "Brotherhood!" (Ukrainian nationalistic movement) and "Soros, leave Ukraine, your plans will fail!"

Earlier, one of the young men tried to engage the conference participants in fight.

Policemen drove the two men out of the conference room. The incident postponed the beginning of the conference by 15 minutes.

"This is not just an accident, somebody planned this", said George Soros. However, he failed to name the incident organizers.

more...
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klook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 04:12 PM
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23. Odd choice of weapons


Billionaire philanthropist George Soros gets a hostile reception in Ukraine as two young men fling what is thought to be water and glue at him during a human rights conference in Kiev.

Source:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_depth/photo_gallery/3586495.stm
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 05:01 PM
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32. Unfreakinbelievable!!!! Who let the damned trolls out?!?!?!!?
WTF is up with this crap!

Someone try and convince me that the nazi-freaks have not been recycled back down to earth. I'll be damned if I will "appease" this behavior ever or anymore.
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Zan_of_Texas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 11:23 PM
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51. mayonnaise and water
That's what the current BBC report says
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Tempest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 04:02 PM
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10. Link to story
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TroglodyteScholar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 04:03 PM
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18. wtf
:wtf::wtf::wtf::wtf::wtf::wtf::wtf::wtf::wtf::wtf::wtf:
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jenk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 04:02 PM
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13. hope it isn't serious, let him be ok!
Edited on Wed Mar-31-04 04:03 PM by jenk
If anything, this will strengthen his resolve to fight the GOP, you know the repugs are behind this attack in some capacity.

FOX news will be all over this story

Hume- "What DEM backer was attacked with glue yesterday......(smirks)

Cavuto- "How fitting Soros is all glued up...."
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Mistress Quickly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 04:05 PM
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20. The repugs behind Soros attack in Kiev?
Edited on Wed Mar-31-04 04:06 PM by eye22004
I'll bet there are other's who don't like him. Isn't he from eastern Europe?


edited to add: :tinfoilhat:
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MrMonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 04:19 PM
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26. Soros is well disliked
by the strong-arm governments of the former Soviet Union. His foundation established offices in a number of those countries soon after the breakup of the SU, offering various free services which were denounced by some as too Western and damaging to "national" culture. He's also been accused of orchestrating the replacement of Georgia's president with a more Western-oriented politician.

The attackers may simply have been Ukrainian "freepers".
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Mistress Quickly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 04:34 PM
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27. Now that I believe! n/t
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qanda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 04:02 PM
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14. "Attacked with glue"
http://www.news24.com/News24/World/News/0,6119,2-10-1462_1506182,00.html

Kiev - The US billionaire and philanthropist George Soros was splashed with water and glue in Ukraine's capital Kiev Wednesday by two young Ukrainians who burst into a hall where he was addressing a human rights conference.

"Soros, Out of Ukraine! You'll get nothing here!" the Ukrainians shouted as they carried out their protest, the Interfax news agency reported. They were immediately detained and led away by security personnel.

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Mistress Quickly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 04:03 PM
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17. dang, you just beat me to it! n/t
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qanda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 04:03 PM
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19. Seems like a lot of people got right on the story. nt
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Mistress Quickly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 04:02 PM
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15. Soros attacked with glue
http://www.news24.com/News24/World/News/0,6119,2-10-1462_1506182,00.html

Kiev - The US billionaire and philanthropist George Soros was splashed with water and glue in Ukraine's capital Kiev Wednesday by two young Ukrainians who burst into a hall where he was addressing a human rights conference.

"Soros, Out of Ukraine! You'll get nothing here!" the Ukrainians shouted as they carried out their protest, the Interfax news agency reported. They were immediately detained and led away by security personnel.

more at link
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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 04:02 PM
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16. Story from Bloomberg:
George Soros Hit With Glue, Water in Ukraine, Interfax Says
March 31 (Bloomberg) -- Billionaire financier George Soros had glue and water thrown on him by two unidentified people ahead of a human rights forum in Kiev, the Interfax news service reported.

The unidentified people flung glue and water at Soros and then were led from the room shouting anti-Soros statements, the news service said. Soros said he did not know who was behind the attack, the news service said.

http://quote.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000085&sid=aVHkDoxntTIA&refer=europe
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 04:10 PM
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22. GLUE????? Who said Russians had no imagination??
:eyes:
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rabid_nerd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 04:16 PM
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25. I'm rubber and you're...
...uh... nevermind ;)

I'd check that "glue" out a little closer if I were them.

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russian33 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 04:57 PM
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31. Now, now...they are not Russians..
...they are Ukrainian. Don't ever call some one from Ukraine Russian, they get upset.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 05:48 PM
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41. Oopsie.. on me.. Must have been channeling Bush... but wait..
Edited on Wed Mar-31-04 05:48 PM by SoCalDem
He would have called them Ukrainiacs...
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treepig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 04:38 PM
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28. the culprit
almost captured on film . .

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kera Donating Member (294 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-04 01:53 AM
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53. I believe this incident has
something to do with the fall of Chavarnaze because Sorro was believed to be involved in the plot
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Aidoneus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 04:14 PM
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24. a billionaire slightly inconvenienced--CODE RED!
:eyes:
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mobuto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 05:47 PM
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39. He may be a billionaire, but he's OUR billionaire
Make jokes about Republican billionaires - there's no shortage of those.
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 06:12 PM
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43. He's not OUR billionaire. What a naive thing to think.
Soros is looking out for Soros.

This is a guy who made a $100 million investment with the Caryle Group, made a billion bucks in one day by helping to break the Bank of England, and helped finance the so-called "rose revolution" in the former Soviet Republic of Georgia - a "coup" that was enabled by JAMES BAKER and led to a pipeline deal in the Caspian Sea.

Soros is just trying to save the investment. He's no white knight.

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mobuto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 06:40 PM
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45. He's a businessman
if you're saying you're shocked because he invests in business likely to make him money, all I can do is shrug.

George Bush is bad for business. Democrats are good for business.

Soros understands that.

helped finance the so-called "rose revolution" in the former Soviet Republic of Georgia

I think you're grossly simplifying things there.
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 06:51 PM
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46. I think you're ignoring the obvious.
You do, however, have the right to remain ignorant about the man.

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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 04:51 PM
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29. Cool. He's okay. I was worried for a bit, there. (nt)
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peachy Donating Member (69 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 04:54 PM
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30. Soro's has enemies
How many of you know how Soros got his money? Through international currancy speculation, that speculation did damage to a lot of people, sure some of them deserved it, but I think he took a pretty big bite out of a lot of middle class retirement accounts around the world including Russia. I think its great that he throws a big bone to the Dems, but this man is not to be trusted.
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 05:06 PM
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33. Yup. He played the game. Now, he uses his wealth to help humanity.
Unlike those vultures who don't give a damn.

I cannot fault him for that. Frankly, had I been wiser, I would have done the same thing.
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DoNotRefill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 05:18 PM
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35. BBC reports it's mayonaise and water...
generally not seen as life threatening, unless you consider the long term effects of cholesterol....
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mobuto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 05:22 PM
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36. No - its very dangerous
Improperly prepared or kept mayonaise is one of the leading causes of salmonella poisoning. Soros should wash very carefully.
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Posinegativeman Donating Member (64 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 05:27 PM
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37. Perhaps an enemy who's currency he trashed
He is not a nice man and has destroyed many lives with his money meddling.
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mobuto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 05:48 PM
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40. Destroyed many lives?
Whose lives has he destroyed? I want names.
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Posinegativeman Donating Member (64 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 05:55 PM
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42. Destroying currency destroys peoples lives
I don't have names because the news over the years either didn't give names or I forgot them. Look it up if you want names. I don't know if google goes back that far.
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 10:22 PM
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49. Ignoring people destroys life,...
,...and there is no way you can diminish the life of this man who played the "game" and has used his profits to at least attempt to empower people towards an open society. This man is a hero for humanity's potential. Anyone who acts as some kind of vulture,...I will shooo and stamp and scream away.

Shame on any one who would diminish this man's commitment to "overcome" the injustices of life. Shame on you!!! Shame on you!
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nodehopper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 05:43 PM
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38. ah, more fallout from halliburton vs. carlyle quarrels
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boobooday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 06:37 PM
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44. What does it mean?
I'm with the person who was saying PNAC.

I bet Cheney ordered the attack. on behalf of the Project for a Nazi American Coup.



http://www.wgoeshome.com
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 08:00 PM
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47. Nice teeth
Could use a dentist
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Guy Whitey Corngood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-04 12:12 AM
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52. If I were religious I'd say he could also use an exorcist. eom
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johnfunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-31-04 10:14 PM
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48. Soros splattered with mayonnaise in Ukraine
The billionaire philanthropist George Soros has got a wet reception in Ukraine when two young men threw water and mayonnaise at him.

The incident happened at a human rights conference in the capital, Kiev.

The two men were immediately arrested by the police. The radical nationalist group Bratstvo (Brotherhood) claimed responsibility for the attack.

More here.

Gives a whole new meaning to "Soros better watch his cholesterol."
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truthisfreedom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-04 03:16 AM
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55. was it glue? was it mayonnaise? maybe it was simply... GOO! someone call
sonic youth.
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President Jesus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-04 02:11 AM
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54. a billionaire who gives a damn
how all billionaires should invest their money...
George Soros list of campaign contributions
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Tinoire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-04 09:57 AM
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56. Soros is not a good guy. He's Carlyle and a Neo-Liberal
Edited on Thu Apr-01-04 10:02 AM by Tinoire
Soros was personally responsible for the total destabilization of Indonesia and the meltdown of the Asian economy beginning with the collapse of the Thai baht which quickly spread to Malaysia, Indonesia, the Philippines, South Korea.

Also of the looting of the Russian economy, Ukraine and Belorussia.

All of it under the guise of Democracy. I wish I hadbookmarked that recent LBN article about the young Czech kid who burnt himself alive and left a letter thanking us Americans for this "wonderful" democracy we brought to them.

Lasy year he was fined $2m for insider trading by a court in France.

Soros, who has or had business ties with Zbigniew Brzezinski, Henry Kissinger, the Carlyle Group, the CIA's Radio Free Europe, Wesley Clark, Richard Allen and George W. Bush (through Harken Energy), is not a friendly, tree-hugging, progressive out to save the world. He is the fist in a velvet glove to the Neocons' baseball bat across the nose. OCTOBER 20 , 2003 BEYOND BUSH II by Michael C.
Ruppert Peak Oil Dominates http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/102003_beyond_bush_2.html

Here's some more on this Neo-Liberal parading as a wonder hero in the sole interests of protecting his investments and ill-gotten loot (such as the fabulous Trepca mines):

At Human Rights Watch, for example, there is Morton Abramowitz, US assistant secretary of state for intelligence and research from 1985-89, and now a fellow at the interventionist Council on Foreign Relations; ex-ambassador Warren Zimmerman (whose spell in Yugoslavia coincided with the break-up of that country); and Paul Goble, director of communications at the CIA-created Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty (which Soros also funds). Soros's International Crisis Group boasts such "independent" luminaries as the former national security advisers Zbigniew Brzezinski and Richard Allen, as well as General Wesley Clark, once Nato supreme allied commander for Europe. The group's vice-chairman is the former congressman Stephen Solarz, once described as "the Israel lobby's chief legislative tactician on Capitol Hill" and a signatory, along with the likes of Richard Perle and Paul Wolfowitz, to a notorious letter to President Clinton in 1998 calling for a "comprehensive political and military strategy for bringing down Saddam and his regime".

Take a look also at Soros's business partners. At the Carlyle Group, where he has invested more than $100m, they include the former secretary of state James Baker and the erstwhile defence secretary Frank Carlucci, George Bush Sr and, until recently, the estranged relatives of Osama Bin Laden. Carlyle, one of the world's largest private equity funds, makes most of its money from its work as a defence contractor.

<snip>

So why is he so upset with Bush? The answer is simple. Soros is angry not with Bush's aims—of extending Pax Americana and making the world safe for global capitalists like himself—but with the crass and blundering way Bush is going about it. By making US ambitions so clear, the Bush gang has committed the cardinal sin of giving the game away. For years, Soros and his NGOs have gone about their work extending the boundaries of the "free world" so skilfully that hardly anyone noticed. Now a Texan redneck and a gang of overzealous neo-cons have blown it.

<snip>
As a cultivated and educated man (a degree in philosophy from the London School of Economics, honorary degrees from the Universities of Oxford, Yale, Bologna and Budapest), Soros knows too well that empires perish when they overstep the mark and provoke the formation of counter-alliances. He understands that the Clintonian approach of multilateralism—whereby the US cajoles or bribes but never does anything so crude as to threaten—is the only one that will allow the empire to endure. Bush's policies have led to a divided Europe, Nato in disarray, the genesis of a new Franco-German-Russian alliance and the first meaningful steps towards Arab unity since Nasser.

Soros knows a better way—armed with a few billion dollars, a handful of NGOs and a nod and a wink from the US State Department, it is perfectly possible to topple foreign governments that are bad for business, seize a country's assets, and even to get thanked for your benevolence afterwards. Soros has done it.

<snip>
http://www.mindfully.org/WTO/2003/George-Soros-Statesman2jun03.htm

PROFITEERS OF EMPIRE –
CHENEY, SOROS, AND CO.


<snip>

Now don't get the wrong idea: the profiteers of globalism are by no means exclusively Republicans. I may have a special animus toward the Republican variety, as I'll readily admit, but the Cheney-Halliburton connection is small potatoes compared to some of the big boys, like George Soros. While Halliburton's subsidiary, the engineering firm of Brown and Root, has the contract for building the extensive infrastructure required by US troops in the Balkans, Soros has set himself up as the official banker and chief investor of the region – under US government auspices and with US taxpayers money. Soros Fund Management LLC is investing $50 million in a project to aid business expansion while the US Overseas Private Investment Corporation (OPIC) – an agency of the federal government – will put up another $100 million in "loan guarantees." At an official ceremony inaugurating the program, Soros declared ``Of all the people present, I'm the most nervous, because I actually have to deliver.''


DELIVER US FROM EVIL

But it was NATO that delivered first. Soros was a key figure in the propaganda campaign leading up to the Kosovo war, first through his financing of the American Committee to Save Bosnia and a whole bevy of groups, many of them militant Muslims, preaching intervention in the Balkans on behalf of "human rights" The Soros propaganda machine ceaselessly agitated for war with Serbia, and when it came he and his pet "human rights" activists applauded the longest and the loudest. Now that NATO has come through, Soros must "deliver" – that is, create profits for himself and his investors. While known as a philanthropist, if a highly eccentric one, Soros emphasized that his fund would practice "tough love" and, in the words of the Bloomberg News report, "be driven purely by profit." To the victor goes the spoils.

THE PROPHET MOTIVE
But all of us are driven by profit, even the ascetic Ralph Nader and the hermits who mortify the flesh and live out in the desert – for there is such a thing as a purely psychic profit, that is a value that is not monetary but which exists in our minds nonetheless: religion, obligation, love, revenge, or any number of other purely human motives, both sacred and profane. Through his Open Society Institute (OSI), which has insinuated itself into academia, government, and every level of public discourse, Soros has poured his fantastic wealth into causes as various as cheerleading US intervention in the Balkans, funding Arianna Huffington's three-ring "Shadow Convention," and calling for drug decriminalization – and he reaps his psychic profit, i.e. the personal satisfaction of seeing his ideas take root. With branches throughout Europe and Asia, OSI preaches a "free-trade" version of international socialism, a universalist creed hostile to the idea of national sovereignty. He for some reason is particularly concerned with the problem of how to manage international monetary institutions via a single centralized authority, a world central bank run by global economic planners. In spite of the fact that he made his fortune as a speculator who famously broke the Bank of England, Soros has denounced laissez-faire in a very boring book, and has also called for international regulation that would prohibit the very activities that have made him one of the richest men on earth.

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http://www.antiwar.com/justin/j073100.html 8/22/00

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More on Bushladen Carlyle Group:
George Soros & James Baker are part of the Family



The first Bushladen article can be found at:
http://emperors-clothes.com/news/bushladen.htm


The article, written by Alice Cherbonnier, deals with the world's largest private equity firm, The Carlyle Group, a company that links George Bush Sr. and the family of Osama bin Laden. ]


Copyright © 2001 'The Baltimore Chronicle and the SENTINEL'

Republican-controlled Carlyle Group poses serious Ethical Questions for Bush Presidents, but Baltimore Sun ignores it
by Alice Cherbonnier

AN IMPORTANT TENET of journalism is that you should always ask, “Who benefits?”
In the case of a war, the answers to this question become of paramount importance. Suppose, for example, that profits from military contracting were to go in the pockets of a former U.S. President whose son (and a presumed future heir) is now President? Suppose further that such profits escalate in times of conflict. Wouldn’t this be of concern to the public? Wouldn’t you expect the media to be all over such an important ethical (not to mention moral, and maybe legal) angle?

Though described by the Industry Standard as “the world’s largest private equity firm,” with over $12 billion under management, chances are readers haven’t ever heard of The Carlyle Group. Isn’t that a little odd, considering it is run by a veritable who's who of former Republican political leaders. Former Defense Secretary Frank Carlucci is Carlyle’s chairman and managing director (who, by the way, was college roommate of the current Defense Secretary, Donald Rumsfeld). And that partners in this mammoth venture include former U.S. Secretary of State James A. Baker III, George Soros, Fred Malek (George H.W. Bush’s campaign manager, forced to resign when it was revealed he was Nixon’s “Jew counter”), and—presumably—George H.W. Bush?

We say “presumably” because the privately-held Carlyle doesn’t have to reveal information about its partners or investments to the SEC or to anyone else. Our former President is reported to be active in seeking investments for the Carlyle Group from the Asian market, and word is he’s paid between $80,000 to $100,000 per presentation.

All told, Carlyle has about 420 partners all over the globe, from Saudi princes to the former president of the Philippines. Its investments run heavily in the defense sector; they make money from military conflicts and weapons spending. But who in Baltimore knows about it?

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From the Baltimore Chronicle
http://www.baltimorechronicle.com/media3_oct01.shtml
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Comparison of two documents, a November 1999 International Crisis Group (ICG) paper on the Trepca mining complex, and a February 2000 article in the Toronto Star by ICG consultant Susan Blaustein, provides an exceptionally clear glimpse into the workings of the "international community".

The International Crisis Group is a high-level think tank supported by financier George Soros. It was set up in 1995, primarily to provide policy guidance to governments involved in the NATO-led reshaping of the Balkans. Its leading figures include top U.S. policy maker Morton Abramowitz, the eminence grise of NATO's new "humanitarian intervention" policy and sponsor of Kosovo Albanian separatists.

Last November 26, the ICG issued a paper on "Trepca: Making Sense of the Labyrinth" which advised the United Nations Mission In Kosovo (UNMIK) to take over the Trepca mining complex from the Serbs as quickly as possible and explained how this should be done. The February article by the ICG journalist represents a vulgarization of the anti-Serb position designed to prepare public opinion for carrying out the ICG policy. There will no doubt be more

The ICG Paper: Manipulative Ambiguities

Trepca is a conglomerate of some 40 mines and factories, mostly but not all in Kosovo, notably including Stari Trg, "one of the richest mines in Europe" and the richest in the Balkans, currently shut down, and the Zvecan smelter, located northwest of Mitrovica and still being operated by Serb management. The ICG calls on UNMIK, headed by Bernard Kouchner, to cut through legal disputes over the industry's ownership and take over management of Trepca itself.

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http://emperors-clothes.com/articles/Johnstone/howitis.htm

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Soros' World
by George Szamuely
New York Press

Last week 900 NATO troops, under UN auspices, stormed into a smelting factory at Zvecan in Kosovo and closed the place down. According to the UN Interim Administration in Kosovo (UNMIK) chief, Bernard Kouchner, pollution from the plant – part of the vast Trepca mining complex that produces gold, silver, lead, zinc and cadmium – was raising lead levels in the environment to 200 times World Health Organization norms. "I would be a debauched person if I let this threat to the health of children and pregnant women continue operating any longer," he announced.

One wonders if the Frenchman managed to keep a straight face as he said this. Kouchner is running the province on behalf of a NATO that littered the place with cluster bombs and depleted uranium shells, that presided over the expulsion of some 200,000 Serbs, that sent bridges crashing into the Danube, that happily released clouds of toxic fumes from bombed-out petrochemical factories into the atmosphere. The residents of this town – particularly the women – showed their usual ingratitude to their benefactors by throwing stones at them. Trepca is the leading employer of Serbs in Kosovo and is Yugoslavia's chief exporter. The protesters got the Los Angeles treatment: tear gas and rubber bullets.

The Yugoslav government disputes Kouchner's claims. Yugoslavia's record for telling the truth is considerably better than NATO's. Seizure of Zvecan gives UNMIK control of the Trepca mines. Already an agreement has been signed with a group of major mining companies, ITT Kosovo Consortium, to begin rehabilitation of the complex. Some $16 million is forthcoming from the EU, the United States, France, Italy, Holland and Sweden.

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http://www.antiwar.com/rep/szamuely/szamuely50.html

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George Soros, Imperial Wizard

"Yes, I do have a foreign policy...my goal is to become the conscience of the world."'

This is not a case of narcissistic personality disorder; this is how George Soros exercises the authority of United States hegemony in the world today. Soros foundations and financial machinations are partly responsible for the destruction of socialism in Eastern Europe and the former USSR. He has set his sights on China. He was part of the full court press that dismantled Yugoslavia. Calling himself a philanthropist, billionaire George Soros' role is to tighten the ideological stranglehold of globalization and the New World Order while promoting his own financial gain. Soros' commercial and "philanthropic" operations are clandestine, contradictory and coactive. And as far as his economic activities are concerned, by his own admission, he is without conscience; a capitalist who functions with absolute amorality.

Master-builder of the new bribe sector systematically bilking the world

Soros is a leading figure on the Council of Foreign Relations, the World Economic Forum, and Human Rights Watch (HRW). In 1994, after a meeting with his philosophical guru, Sir Karl Popper, Soros ordered his companies to start investing in Central and Eastern European communications. The Federal Radio Television Administration of the Czech Republic accepted his offer to take over and fund the archives of Radio Free Europe. Soros moved the archives to Prague and spent over $15 million on their maintenance. A Soros foundation now runs CIA-created Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty jointly with the U.S. and RFE/RL, which has expanded into the Caucasus and Asia. Soros is the founder and funder of the Open Society Institute. He created and maintains the International Crisis Group (ICG) which, among other things, has been active in the Balkans since the destruction of Yugoslavia. Soros works openly with the United States Institute of Peace-an overt arm of the CIA.

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Through such clandestine financial scheming, Soros became a multibillionaire. His companies control real estate in Argentina, Brazil, and Mexico; banking in Venezuela; and are some of the most profitable currency traders in the world, giving rise to the general belief that his highly placed friends assisted him in his financial endeavors, for political as well as financial gain.

George Soros has been blamed for the destruction of the Thai economy in 1997. One Thai activist said, "We regard George Soros as a kind of Dracula. He sucks the blood from the people." The Chinese call him "the crocodile," because his economic and ideological efforts in China were so insatiate, and because his financial speculation created millions of dollars in profits as it ravished the Thai and Malaysian economies.

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It was Soros who saved George W. Bush's bacon when his management of an oil exploration company was ending in failure. Soros was the owner of Harken Energy Corporation, and it was he who bought the rapidly depreciating stocks just prior to the company's collapse. The future president cashed out at almost one million dollars. Soros said he did it to buy "political influence." Soros is also a partner in the infamous Carlyle Group. Organized in 1987, "the world's largest private equity firm" with over twelve billion dollars under management, is run by "a veritable who's who of former Republican leaders," from CIA man Frank Carlucci to CIA head George Bush, Sr. The Carlyle Group makes most of its money from weapons expenditures.

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Soros is very worried about the decline in the world capitalist system and he wants to do something about it, now. He recently said: "I can already discern the makings of the final crisis.... Indigenous political movements are likely to arise that will seek to expropriate the multinational corporations and recapture the 'national' wealth."

http://www.canadiandimension.mb.ca/extra/d1207hc.htm



Soros...This couldn't have happened to a more appropriate person. I hate to piss on a parade but Soros is real slime.

Soros's actions with Harken and Kanputun Oil, The Carlyle Group, and the Quantum Fund --- quite interesting reads... Would horrify any DUer.


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On edit- And not to forget what Soros was tryig to do to Russia a few months ago when Putin had his Mafia gas buddy arrested and jailed, Soros' offices sacked and shut down. Make that Soros AND Bush's good friend the oil mafioso Mikhail Khodorkovsky.

“The Soros strategy for extending Pax Americana differs from the Bush model, particularly in its subtlety. But it is just as ambitious and just as deadly,” Clark concludes.

Of course, in the case of Yugoslavia, ultimately the Soros approach was not enough so the overwhelming might of the U.S. military was brought into play.


http://www.mindfully.org/WTO/2003/George-Soros-Statesman2jun03.htm
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a560 Donating Member (46 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-04 10:29 AM
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57. why dont you try thinking for yourself instead of cutting and pasting from
unknown websites.

Soros isn't responsible for the failure of those currencies, and he in no way "broke the bank of england", the Bank of England was broke when he found it. They were trying to screw east germans by linking their curreny with the duestch mark. They were trying to keep the pound lower then the duestch mark so that the English companies could suck up all the east german money that was now available to them.

Soros has so far only used NONVIOLENT means to bring down corrupt dictators. He's probably the single most effective revolutionary in history.
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Tinoire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-04 12:37 PM
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59. Sigh. More worship of neo-Liberals.
Edited on Thu Apr-01-04 12:43 PM by Tinoire
They're no different than neo-Cons but suit yourself.

Next time, let's not bother asking "Why do they hate us?".
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a560 Donating Member (46 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-04 04:49 PM
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61. very different
Soros has been backing the rights of indgineous peoples, inclusion of the Roma into Eurpoean society, decriminlization of Marijuana, fought the use of military power to political ends. Helped create a network that has pulled off 2 successful peacful overthrows of authoritarian dictators and installed the democratic opposition. Dude, you are way off.
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mobuto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-04 11:50 AM
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58. George Soros has business ties with WESLEY CLARK?
Edited on Thu Apr-01-04 11:56 AM by mobuto
Oh DEAR GOD, SAY IT AIN'T SO. Wesley Clark is personally close to Bill Clinton. A majority of Irish voters say they would vote for Bill Clinton if he ever ran for Prime Minister of Ireland. Could the case be made any clearer?

Actually yes, it could be. Because what is Soros known most for? For making $1 billion in a day, by fooling the Bank of England. And who do the Irish hate most of all? The English!

George Soros is a secret agent of the Irish Government. He's not to be trusted! He may pretend he's a Hungarian Jew, but he drinks Guinness and has a photo of Eamon de Valera in his wallet. This has all been confirmed by his disowned son, Sean O'Malley Soros.
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Tinoire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-04 12:39 PM
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60. You've been proven wrong too many times to take seriously
Edited on Thu Apr-01-04 12:39 PM by Tinoire
Sorry.
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loudsue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-01-04 05:31 PM
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62. Holy Moly, Tinoire....
I read ALL of that! I'm sitting here with my jaw on the ground. We, at DU, have wondered so often who the "undisclosed" purchaser of Harken Energy was. It was Soros!

So....now we have another Skull & Boneser running for the Presidency, who is much smoother than the one we have in office now. It is apparent that there are some large figures in this world who have created our reality for us.

I can't help but wonder if the chimp hasn't possibly helped to bring about the world-wide revolution that may end up freeing the minds of the people from the control of the very wealthy few. Not intentionally, or in a good way, mind you, but by ignorance and arrogance. What a cosmic hoot.

If what I just read is true -- and I can easily see how possible, and plausible, it is -- then we can rest assured that the voting machines WILL select Kerry in the 2004 election. And it's even more likely that Bev Harris and the BBV Patriots are a threat, not just to the Diebold corporatist types, but to the really BIG GUYS.

I wish we could have a "World Conference of the Little People"... and just get together and discuss what in the hell we're going to do to take back our world from those who are writing the scripts.

And it wouldn't hurt if this "World Conference" (of my fantasy) was run by women. Even a mother from Israel can speak to a mother from Palestine, and my guess is, they've got the very same picture in mind for how to keep their husbands and children alive, well educated, well fed, and healthy. And to the vast majority of the men I've ever known, those are their values as well.

But in the world of the Big Boys who actually run the world, those values aren't NEARLY enough fun -- not like wars, dogs-eating-dogs, killing, competition, win/lose contests, and even getting away with crimes. They make laws that keep the masses in line, while those things that are criminal for the rest of us, are merely a way of life for them.

And, I wonder if the internet could ever bring enough people to realize how the rules really work. These realizations/revelations can't simply be happening here on DU....the "hundredth monkey" phenomena has to be at work here.

Did you see how quickly the new poster "a560" showed up on this thread? :tinfoilhat: Funny, huh?

Thanks for your post. I'm bookmarking this one.

:kick:
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