Clinton rules out a presidential run through 2016

[oberliner]

Source: Reuters

U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton ruled out running for president in 2012 or 2016 on Friday, saying the United States should be ready for a woman president but it would not be her.

In interviews in New Zealand, the failed 2008 presidential candidate made clear she had no plans to run again despite talk -- fueled partly by her fellow Democrats' losses in Tuesday's U.S. mid-term elections -- she might embark on a new race.

Asked by TV3 New Zealand whether she ruled out standing for the top U.S. office through 2016, Clinton, according to a U.S. reporter, replied: "Oh yes, yes. I'm very pleased to be doing what I'm doing as secretary of state."

Read more: http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE6A41N020101105

[JTFrog]

1. K&R!

[Scuba]

2. Can't be true. Christine has already seen her ads.

[exboyfil]

3. I am listening to a book called 1864

Salmon Chase, Sec. of Treasury, kept insisting that he was not running for President when he actually was.

Another interesting thing about Chase, after he was placed on the Supreme Court, he still tried to run for President in 1868 and 1872.

Not saying this is the case for Clinton, just pointing out an interesting historical example.

Clinton has been quiet as Sec. of State which is a good thing. I would hate to see a glory hound like Kissinger in that position.

I really have not been paying attention. I think she is doing a good job.

I think her best strategy is to stay loyal to Obama so long as he stays sane in his policy proposals (compromising on taxes is not a good start - our economy did fine under Clinton's tax structure). I see no reason that she could not make a very strong run at the Presidency in 2016 irrespective of what happens in 2012. I would expect to see her doing a Alben Barkley in the 2012 election - being out there campaigning like crazy for her party. That type of loyalty will be rewarded. The big question is Biden - what does he want and what is he going to do. The V.P. is an awful job. Sec. of State is probably the second best job after President and should be the best training ground for becoming President.

[karynnj]

7. If she is still secretary of state in 2012, which I think will be the case, she can not campaign

She has signaled that 4 years might be as much as she wants to do, but it would likely be better not to leave in the year before the election. There is far too much chance for Republican mischief - ie refusing to confirm her replacement.

[exboyfil]

14. Are cabinet Secretaries prevented from campaigning?

I am getting an education. Is it the Hatch Act that stops them?

[DURHAM D]

16. It is tradition that the Sec. of State does not participate in campaigns.

[northernlights]

4. she's a war monger

I would have voted for her in '08. I thought the tough talk was necessary because she was a woman as well as a dem. Then she joined forces with Patraeus, and fought against Gates/Biden, for the wider war in Afghanistan.

Now that I know for a fact that she is at heart a war monger, I would never consider voting for her again.

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[northernlights]

8. when I was 16, my father apologized to me...

He said, and I quote, "I'm sorry. It's my fault your face is so ugly. Nobody is ever going to want to marry you because you are so ugly."

And he walked away, shaking his head and muttering under his breath how "nobody is ever going to want to marry her, she's so ugly. I don't know what we are going to do about her..."

In case the message is not clear to you, I am entirely the *wrong* person for you to reply to in such a way. :blush:

I don't choose candidates by how pretty or photogenic they are. I try to understand what is in their minds and hearts, and choose accordingly. That is all.

[dipsydoodle]

11. I didn't mention her face - check back.

I was refering to an apparent inability to comb her hair.

[northernlights]

13. baloney

you were referring to her looks. welcome to ignore.

[dipsydoodle]

15. If you were English

you'd know that expression only refers to hair. Search for examples if you don't believe me.

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[karynnj]

21. That must have been incredibly painful for you to heat

Like you, I have never chosen a candidate based on looks.

I suspect though that as people grow to like people, they see them through a softer focus - seeing people they like as better looking than they would think if they had seen a photo of them not knowing them. Just a matter of seeing more of the good features than the bad ones.

For example, Obama, who is attractive looks far better if you see a photo with his incredible smile. Hillary Clinton was a pretty college student and in pictures where she is relaxed and happy looks very good as a 64 (?) year old - in pictures where she is obviously tired and angry, that does not come across.

But seriously, politicians are not movie stars. If we went by looks, we would likely have had a President George Clooney, Paul Newman, Robert Redford, or Denzel Washington. The first woman President would have been one of many gorgeous actresses. Good looks, especially great smiles obviously help, but their are very few Presidents, who would really be considered unusually good looking. Many are actually on the unattractive side - Nixon, LBJ etc

[trud]

10. hedge backwards?

What, I don't much like her, but she dresses in a businesslike, appropriate fashion. Plus, she actually works, you know. Not everyone spends half their life fussing in front of a mirror.

[DURHAM D]

19. I gather you have just totally ignored that she is promoting Obama's agenda. nt

[northernlights]

22. maybe. or maybe he's adopted the worst of hers...

mandates. bigger war.

[DURHAM D]

23. Obama is her boss.

Does that mean anything to you?

[northernlights]

24. more important...does it mean anything to him?

he adopted her health insurance handout mandate. socialism for the insurance elite, paid for by the rest of us. and given the choice between the Gates/Biden recommendation of a narrowed, more targeted focus on al qaeda in Afghanistan and the Clinton/Petreus war mongering all-out fuckup...he chose the all out fuck up.

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[northernlights]

26. Huh? I'm many things... but an Obama can do no wronger?!?

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: I consider Obama a total disaster. Part of the reason is because he (stupidly, imho) adopted the worst of Clinton's policies. Part of which is just everything else he has (or hasn't) done.

I'm done with BOTH of them. I won't vote for either off them in 2012.

Just because I objected to denouncing Clinton over her looks doesn't mean I don't denounce her for her policies. No matter *who* is pushing them.

And just because I think that Obama adopted one or another of her policies does not mean I absolve him of blame for adopting bad policy. Obama has proven to be a total milquetoast. If he's not doing what Clinton tells him to do, he's trying to please the GOP.

[trud]

9. the differences between Hillary and Obama

Well, what are the differences?

Not policy - Obama sounded different, but the day he got elected he started supporting Hillary's "platform."

Guts. Yes, Hillary has a lot more guts. We wouldn't be a laughingstock, with the Republicans walking all over the Presidency.

If she actually runs at some point, it will be harder for someone with traditional Democrat values to win the Presidency,

[NYC Liberal]

12. Democrat values, eh? nt

[DURHAM D]

17. Wrong - he hired her because she would be able to promote his platform.

How long can you keep fooling yourself that she is the boss.

He is the President - Get It?

[dipsydoodle]

27. And so it follows from that

that Obama and not Clinton is directly repsonsible for this outrageous situation :

Delegation to investigate US involvement in 2011 Nicaragual elections : http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=405x44072

Have I got that right or is it just like the old days with Nixon and Kissenger ?

[karynnj]

20. There actually was extremely little difference in any of the Democrats' platforms

The biggest difference was the idea of a mandate - and in reality, it was going to come down to what could pass Congress. There were many that thought a mandate would kill the bill - the dynamics probably changed when the business roundtable backed having mandates.

Hillary was more hawkish, but the difference was actually small - both had voted against Kerry/Feingold - then took positions that were extremely close to it - with slightly longer timelines. On other issues, they were all very close to the Kerry platform in 2004, which was similar to, but more liberal than the Gore platform in 2000.

[truthisfreedom]

28. So... She's running as veep?

Shrug?