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Bacchus39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-11 09:36 AM
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US stands by choice for Caracas envoy
Source: AFP

WASHINGTON — The United States said Wednesday it stood by diplomat Larry Palmer as its choice for ambassador to Venezuela despite being rejected by Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez.

Chavez joked Tuesday that the United States should send filmmaker Oliver Stone, actor-activist Sean Penn or linguist Noam Chomsky to be ambassador to Venezuela amid the diplomatic row.

"We appreciate President Chavez's suggestions, but the fact is we are not looking for another candidate to be the US ambassador to Caracas," State Department spokesman Philip Crowley told reporters.

"We've made clear that we felt very strongly that Larry Palmer was the appropriate candidate, fully qualified and would have been and would be an effective interlocutor to improve relations between the United States and Venezuela."



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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-11 10:35 AM
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1. This has been contradicted by other reports. So we'll see. nt
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molly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-11 12:01 PM
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2. Our state dept. and hillary clinton don't have a clue as to the meaning of diplomacy
They resemble some high school jocks who think the world begins and ends with them.
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Bacchus39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-11 12:08 PM
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3. give one reason why the US should appease Chavez n/t
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go west young man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-11 10:00 PM
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4. Because we owe the Venezuelan people quite a lot since
we stole their oil (wealth) for decades. Chavez turned that around.
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-11 07:15 AM
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10. Chavez is still giving us their oil.
It's the only reason he's still around.
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go west young man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-11 01:44 PM
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15. The money is not leaving Venezuela now.
It goes into social programs that are lifting the country upwards.
Before it just went to foreign corps.
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-11 10:00 PM
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5. Because Chavez has the rightful power, invested in him by the people of Venezuela--
in elections that are far, FAR more transparent than our own--to DENY the credentials of any foreign ambassador.

That is his right.

Ergo, for the U.S. to push an ambassador on Venezuela who insulted Venezuela in public, in Senate hearings, even before he was confirmed, is a diplomatic affront. It is rude and insulting and, if the U.S. persists in it, one can only surmise that the U.S. wants to create an incident.

If Palmer's remarks had been a mere goof, then his nomination would have been withdrawn immediately, because diplomats are NOT supposed to say goofy, off-the-cuff things in public (and good ones are careful in private as well)--let alone before they even land in the country they were assigned to. Since his nomination was NOT withdrawn immediately, we can only surmise that the State Department okayed his insulting remarks. That impression will linger even if his nomination is now withdrawn. He will be known as a meddling, interfering, disrespectful 'diplomat,' who, frankly, is going to have trouble almost anywhere he goes in Latin America (except perhaps in a few U.S. client states, and even in those, governments don't like flappy-mouthed U.S. ambassadors--ALL Latin American countries are sensitive on this issue).

He cannot serve in Venezuela. Chavez will not accept his credentials--and, truly, Chavez has good reason to be wary of U.S. ambassadors, God knows. This 'ambassador' appointee effectively called Chavez a "terrorist"--Chavez, who has HARMED NO ONE--and he went further and tried to undermine morale in the Venezuelan military! This is simply unacceptable in an ambassador to, of all places, Venezuela, where the U.S. has spent multi-millions of dollars on rightwing groups trying to overthrow the Chavez government and supported the 2002 coup attempt.

It is not "appeasement" to respect a legitimate government. "Appeasement" is, in any case, a "Cold War" word, and utterly ridiculous in the present circumstance. We are not at war with Venezuela. Venezuela does not have nuclear missiles pointed in our direction. Venezuela is neither a belligerent nor an alien country in any respect. It is a DEMOCRACY. So why are you talking about "appeasement"? The word to use is RESPECT. Not, "why should the U.S. appease Chavez?" Rather, "why should the U.S. respect Chavez and his legitimately elected government?"

We should respect Chavez and his legitimately elected government because that's how civilized countries behave!

Whether this one is civilized any more or not is an open question, as far as I'm concerned. We're killing more civilians in Afghanistan every week. How many countries has Chavez invaded and how many civilians has HE killed, hm? We've killed hundreds of thousands of innocent people.

WHICH ONE is the more civilized country?

63% of the American people now oppose the war on Afghanistan, yet it goes on...and on...and on.

WHICH ONE is the democracy? The U.S., where the people have NO SAY in war or in anything else--or Venezuela, where they put everything under the sun to a vote of the people?

Barely civilized, and we can't even muster a little respect for a legitimate, democratic, beneficial government that has harmed no one!

That's where we're at--and it is sad, indeed.

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go west young man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-11 10:03 PM
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6. Dupe
Edited on Thu Jan-06-11 10:04 PM by go west young man
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lunatica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-11 07:53 AM
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11. How about diplomacy?
Give one reason why the US shouldn't try to strengthen diplomatic ties with Venezuela.
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Bacchus39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-11 08:17 AM
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12. the leader is a fool who is ruling by decree. why should the US reward that??
it seems many chavistas associate diplomacy with sucking up.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-11 07:06 AM
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7. US May Renominate Ambassador Choice Rejected By Venezuela
Source: Dow Jones Newswires

Jan 6, 2011
US May Renominate Ambassador Choice Rejected By Venezuela
By Tom Barkley, Of DOW JONES NEWSWIRES

WASHINGTON -(Dow Jones)- A senior U.S. official Thursday didn't rule out the possibility of renominating a candidate for Venezuelan ambassador that was rejected by President Hugo Chavez.

Arturo Valenzuela, the State Department's assistant secretary for Western Hemisphere affairs, said the next move in the ongoing saga with Venezuela will be up to the White House.

But he sought to clarify comments from a State Department official earlier in the week that raised the possibility that a new nominee might be put forth in place of the administration's first choice for the job, Larry Palmer.

State Department spokesman P.J. Crowley's comment Monday that the administration would have to renominate an ambassador after the last Congress ended without taking up Palmer's candidacy didn't necessarily mean that someone else would be tapped, said Valenzuela.




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fasttense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-11 07:06 AM
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8. Since Obama is on the side of our corporate aristocracy, he will
most likely add further insult to Venezuela.
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Bacchus39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-11 07:14 AM
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9. exactly what Obama should do n/t
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melm00se Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-11 08:21 AM
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13. a USA Ambassador to another country
is OUR representative to that nation.

we choose who we want to go there not the other way around.

If Chavez refuses to accept an ambassador's credentials, that is his right but saying "I don't want so and so but I'll take him, yes, him over there" should not influence US foreign policy and representation to his country.

Chavez is a just the leader of a minor country who just loves play acting on the world stage as the foil to the USA.
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FLPanhandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-11 08:51 AM
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14. Let me get this straight. Chavez has been slamming the US and Obama constantly...
but he is upset about a US diplomat who said something much more benign than anything he himself says?

Isn't diplomacy a two way street? Maybe if Chavez would take a day not to bitch about this administration, he might get a little more sympathy.
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