Tucson shooting vicitm Eric Fuller arrested

[James48]

Source: MSNBC

TUCSON, Ariz. — A Tucson mass shooting victim was taken into custody Saturday after yelling "you're dead" at a Tea Party spokesman during the taping of an ABC-TV town hall event hosted by Christianne Amanpour.

The Pima County Sheriff's Office said J. Eric Fuller, 63, was involuntarily committed to an undisclosed medical facility, NBC News reported. The Associated Press said he was undergoing a psychiatric evaluation.

KGUN reported that Fuller took exception to comments by Republican state Rep. Terri Proud and Tucson Tea Party spokesman Trent Humphries.

Fuller was in the front row and apparently became upset when Humphries suggested that any conversations about gun control should be delayed until all the dead were buried, KGUN reported.

Read more: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/41094534/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/

[TheCowsCameHome]

1. What is with this?

An evaluation? This is ridiculous.

[Henryman]

2. I'm sure he meant it "politically!"

And I'm sure a surveying scope looks just like a rifle site!:sarcasm:

[katanalori]

3. AZ shooting victim (Fuller) ARRESTED for death threat

Source: mediaite.com



AZ Shooting Victim Arrested For ‘Death Threat’ To Tea Party Leader During ABC News Townhall
"Local station KGUN is reporting that Eric Fuller a 63-year-old military veteran who was shot in the back last Saturday while attending Rep. Giffords’ “Congress on Your Corner” event, became enraged by the statements of some of the participants at the town hall events and threatened the life of Tea Party spokesman Trent Humphries. This is how the scene is believed to have played out:

Deputies immediately escorted Fuller from the room.

Fuller is being charged with threats, intimidation, and disorderly conduct according to authorities."

http://tinyurl.com/4thpu9e (link is to full story at mediaite.com)





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Fuller is traumatized. I understand the rage Fuller must be feeling. He has expressed such in his interviews yesterday. I am just sorry that the this victim did not get professional help to deal with his rage. Violence begets violence, what a nightmare.

[kestrel91316]

4. He is deeply traumatized. Had the same thing happened to me,

I can't say I wouldn't have responded in exactly the same way.

[katanalori]

I am so sorry kestrel -

You are a short zip code away from me - feel free to PM me if you ever want to meet or talk.

This is such a sad turn of events.

[kestrel91316]

9. Hey, neighbor!

There are several of us in the area.

:hi:

Not sure if maybe you misunderstood the way I put that post.......I meant: IF something like that ever happened to me, I'm not sure how I would have responded.

[katanalori]

11. yes, I misunderstood -

I did not see the "ed" at the end of "happened."

[kestrel91316]

17. Oh, dear. Oops. lol

[tblue37]

50. I don't believe Kestrel meant that the same thing happened to her.

I think she meant that if the same thing HAD ahppened to her, she isn't sure she would not have reacted in quite the same way. ("Had the same thing happened to me. . . ." probably is NOT a shortened version of "I had the same thing. . . ."

[slackmaster]

65. If I felt that someone had incited a person to injure me, the first thing I'd do would be to hire...

...an attorney who specializes in that kind of law.

Other than that, I'd keep my mouth shut and avoid contact with anyone from whom I might try to recover damages.

[LawnKorn]

5. Reminds me of professional sports

The refs never see who started it: they only punish the last person who threw a punch.

Now the Tea Party becomes the victim in this.

[BrklynLiberal]

56. Forget your sarcastic smily???

[LawnKorn]

70. No, I intended no smily, no sarc

The Tea Party gets a complete pass while Eric Fuller gets taken into custody.

Punishing the victims while giving the true instigators the opportunity to become the new victim is not a solution.

[Judi Lynn]

6. He's definitely not at his best right now, no one would be in his situation.

It would be better if someone close to him could persuade him to take some time to recuperate from his experience, rather than throwing himself into the middle of things. He has been deeply shaken.

Hope the court would actually take a righteous look at him when dealing with his case. He's not in full possession of himself.

[pinboy3niner]

22. CNN reports Fuller has been involuntarily committed

Shame that it took this to do it, but he'll now get a full mental health evaluation and some care.

Ed. to add link:
http://www.cnn.com/2011/CRIME/01/15/arizona.shooting.victim.custody/index.html?eref=googletoolbar

[howaboutme]

63. And tomorrow things will be back to same ole, same ole

where those with problems are on their own and wealthy bankers and hedge fund manager thieves will get another tax cut.

[emulatorloo]

8. BACKGROUND: Inflammatory statements from Trent Humphries about Giffords shooting

I've thought the poor guy suffering from PTSD from things I've read in the last few days.


It is good background to this story, I would hope it gets reported when the media picks this up.



http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/jan/11/arizona-shootings-tea-party

We're Arizona shooting victims too, says Tea Party co-founder
Trent Humphries says killings fallout is evolving into conspiracy to destroy Tea Party and silence criticism of government

Chris McGreal in Tucson
guardian.co.uk, Tuesday 11 January 2011 19.30 GMT

A nine-year-old girl lies in the morgue. A member of Congress faces a lifetime of struggle to recover from a bullet in the brain. A city is bracing itself for a string of funerals as it tries to fathom the carnage.

But Trent Humphries says there is another innocent victim left by Jared Lee Loughner's killing of six people and wounding of 14 others in his assassination attempt against Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords. It is his Tea Party movement and, more particularly, his family. The killings, he says, are evolving into a conspiracy to destroy his organisation and silence criticism of the government.

Humphries is the co-founder of Tucson's Tea Party, a movement besieged by accusations that its use of the rhetoric of armed resistance against political opponents played a role in the shootings.



<SNIP>

Pressed on whether he was concerned when he heard Giffords's warning about Palin's use of gunsights and calls for supporters not to retreat but "reload" in fighting Democrats, Humphries did not retreat. "It's political gamesmanship. The real case is that she had no security whatsoever at this event. So if she lived under a constant fear of being targeted, if she lived under this constant fear of this rhetoric and hatred that was seething, why would she attend an event in full view of the public with no security whatsoever?" he said. "For all the stuff they accuse her of, that gun poster has not done a tenth of the damage to the political discourse as what we're hearing right now. There are people who are genuinely confused, scared, and I understand it. But there are also people who are deliberately manipulating this event and tragedy for political ends."

<SNIP>

[HankyDubs]

13. I saw this vid

Humphries really is a despicable sleaze. Doesn't excuse death threats. I sure hope they take into account that he's a vet and that he saw all this crap go down, not to even mention being wounded twice.

[Iliyah]

31. It's always about them

isn't it. I think the tea bats will destroy themselves from within. You can only spew such venom for awhile before it catches up to you and I think it's finally catching up to the tea bats. Bill M. was correct, the original tea party would be displeased with the actions of the modern day group. They have have their names but are far far away from the original ideology.

[McCamy Taylor]

47. "She had no secuirty whatsoever at this event". And I'll bet her skirt was too short, too.

Some folks have no shame.

[Myrina]

10. nice call letters: KGUN.

Seriously, Arizona? :wtf:

[boppers]

26. Yes, seriously.

Tucson has a long history with westerns, and gun culture... the station had that callsign in 1957, at the heyday of the western movie era.

Another DU thread on that:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x199316#199415

[madrchsod]

12. do`t blame him one bit...

in my view a 63 yr old vet who was shoot can spout off and i`m sure he does`t feel one dam bit sorry. i`m sure he`ll -regret- what he said because of the fall out.

[frylock]

14. i don't see this as a death threat..

this was a huge FU to this asshole humphries for his remark re gifford's lack of a security detail, the point being that fuller's camera could just as easily have been a gun.

[flamingdem]

62. That's how I read it as well. Too bad he was committed and can't tell his side of it nt

[ProudDad]

76. I'm pretty sure that I've met Mr. Fuller

at local events...

And I concur...

He was tongue tied and became marginally incoherent...

It's easy to do when Trent Humphries spouts his shit... :mad:

[ProudDad]

15. KGUN is owned by the same company that owns the local FM station

here in Tucson, KQTH-FM, that plays many the right wing crazies; notably michael weener (savage), limp-balls, Ingraham, Boortz, etc. and a raving right-wing lunatic who calls himself Jon Justice...(YUCK!)

Journal Broadcast Group of Milwaukee, WI...
http://www.journalbroadcastgroup.com/

Very fucking local, eh?

As for Trent Humpries...

I know him. I've conversed with him (ironically as part of a 4 person focus group at KGUN; our reactions were filmed during Obama's first State of the union address and were broadcast during the following "news" coverage)...

He didn't have much good to say about Obama except that he feared more "socialism"...

Of course, once the democrat showed up, he and Trent were deep in conversation and had no more time left for we two Green Party members.


Here's what I had to say about this execrable Trent Humphries in response to Alternet's coverage of his attempt to blame Gabby Giffords for getting herself shot:

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I know Trent Humphries.

He is an articulate, intelligent individual hampered by a seriously myopic view of everything. He's a classic example of a "free-market" libertarian geek.

He's got his and doesn't want the "government" (or any one else) to get any of it...beyond the war machine, police and prisons and roads and highways, that is...

He's LDS. As a Mormon, within the church he practices the Socialist/Communist maxim "from each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs". He pays his tithe to the church proportional to his income. When needed, he receives health care, education support, "welfare", etc. from the church.

However, he is EXTREMELY, irrationally irate and feels seriously put upon by having to also pay taxes and FICA payments to the Federal Government to support non-LDS people who can't "pull themselves up by their own bootstraps." He doesn't need any "government help" and if anyone else does they should join the church.

He, like Grover Norquist, would like to shrink government to the size of a bathtub and then drown it.

The concept of government by, for and of the People is foreign to him.

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http://www.alternet.org/newsandviews/article/435825/tucson_tea_party_founder_blames_giffords_for_getting_shot%3A_%E2%80%98the_real_case_is_that_she_had_no_security%E2%80%99?page=entire

[freshwest]

87. Just gross and disgusting beyond measure, all of it.

And he has that same sick look as Glen Beck. Just think, these folks are breeding more of the same.

Bravo for keeping in their face, but I doubt if anything will do any good with these fanatics.

[Atypical Liberal]

16. I wondered what the backlash might be.

The teabaggers push and push and push. Will Loughner be the spark that ignites a fire and makes people strike back?

[forty6]

18. So when can we expect they will take Sarah Palin into custody for her threats

and the same for Michele Bachmann, and Sharron Angle?

Disorderly conduct,intimidation threatening behavior: I would expect arrests momentarily.

How about it?

Pretty disgusting that the victim of a shooting is arrested, and the folks that pushed his buttons are walking around free.

[LynnTTT]

19. Why?

He didn't have a gun, he didn't say he was going to kill him and he gets arrested.

Sarah Palin says someone should take these people out, puts a rifle scope on the map and that's fine.

O'Reilly says about Dr. Tiller: "OK. So, I'm the fascist, I'm the bad guy, I'm the problem. Not Tiller. No, he -- no, no, no. He's a good guy. Now, Tiller's pumping all kinds of money into obviously the attorney general race. He wants the guy that's gonna let him off the hook to win. Those of you listening in Kansas, you ought to know that. You know, I don't -- I'm not gonna tell you who to vote for. You guys know these guys better than I do, but I tell you what, anything Tiller wants, I'm voting the other way. And if I could get my hands on Tiller -- well, you know. Can't be vigilantes. Can't do that. It's just a figure of speech."

But that's OK.

What is the difference.?

[marshall]

55. And hopefully he won't be buying a gun

Isn't the system supposed to work?

[Gormy Cuss]

20. PTSD?

A death threat deserves attention though. Very sad case.

eta: this is the same person who tried to visit the shooter's parents. He definitely needs an evaluation and NOW.

[Alameda]

24. I agree, so why are Beck's people not given attention?

[Initech]

33. Plus the hundreds of teabaggers who threaten Obama on a daily basis.

[Gormy Cuss]

37. That's a good question, but doesn't change the fact that ANYONE who makes threats like that needs

an intervention, whether that be counseling or arrest.

[WhiteTara]

21. they probably cut the victim/witness program

in AZ. In CA it is absolutely a life saver for victims.

[bluedigger]

23. That is very sad.

I hope the DA chooses not to press the charges. Just because there is an arrest doesn't mandate a prosecution. Sometimes the police just want to defuse the situation, and placing someone under arrest gives them the ability to control the problem. Counseling is obviously appropriate in this situation.

[Jester Messiah]

25. KGUN? Seriously??

Oh, Arizona... *facepalm*

[Ptah]

27. Not only that Tucson is in the desert and another TV station is

KOLD

facepalm

[reggie the dog]

58. Why, you cant imagine KGUN in Illinois???

it would fit fine in chicago or east saint louis what with all the shootings going on and all

[ProudDad]

75. Their slogan is "KGUN on your side!"

And they are near the bottom when it comes to covering local events (of the non-right-wing kind)...

[mvd]

28. If you ask me, Humphries should go right in with Fuller

Tea Party spokesman who's obviously not playing with a full deck.

The Tea Partiers cause this inflammatory environment and then act surprised when stuff like this happens.

[goforit]

29. Arrest Fuller? What about Palin's threats?

[MrMickeysMom]

30. I thought there was something a little funny about him...

... Wasn't this the guy who tried to stop by the shooter's parents home?

[BrightKnight]

34. Yeah, he clearly is having a very tough time dealing with it.

He needs definitely needs help. I would not his "threat" at face value.

[lucky leftie]

35. Yes, he's the same one.

I also felt uneasy when I read that he'd gone to the home of the shooter. I wonder if he's on pain meds? My son behaved belligerently after having his wisdom teeth pulled. Stopped the pain meds and he was quickly back to normal.

Whatever the case, I hope this poor guy heals emotionally as well as physically, and soon.

[Quixote1818]

32. It sounds like he was using "shooting" his camera as a metaphor

and it was taken literally. This goes completely against everything he seems to believe. Dumb action on his part though, even if he meant no harm.

[Lint Head]

36. So, the Tea Baggers get a little taste if their own medicine.

Tea Baggers are COWARDS. We need not stoop to their level and I do not condone violence but dammit how long have we got to listen to this damn bull shit from the right wing nuts until something is actually done!

[TalkingDog]

He was using the surveyor's expression: You're Dead (on)

Intimidation? I hope he brings a civil suit against anybody who looks at him wrong.

[sweetapogee]

43. I'm home

I had surgery on a fractured leg and ankle (tibula/fibula, screws and plates and lots of pain medication) this week so I have read quite a bit on this event. I have not much else to do! Mr. Fuller, from what I can see is in no position to sue anyone. Not saying it's right but he really screwed up when the cameras were rolling. He is under involuntary medical confinement which I predict will become voluntary for as long as possible and if the object of comments doesn't drop the charges, well you know, he's gonna need a legal defense fund. You heard it from me first. A worthy DU fundraiser?

[liberation]

39. ... the actual victims get arrested

while the victimizers get to be the ones playing the victim card.

Fuller needs help, and any death threat should be taken seriously. However, why wasn't he put under psychiatric aid right away given the trauma he and others just went through? Why is it so hard for people in this country to grasp that our minds are also another organ, and in the same sense we can't live without a healthy heart... being functional with a traumatized brain is also not possible?

[Imajika]

40. Wait, so let me understand this...

..Fuller is the guy who was on Democracy Now saying teabagger violent 2nd amendment rhetoric had something to do with insipiring Laughner's assassination attempt - and then he turns around and makes death threats himself? Unbelievable. Right wingers are going to have a field day with this.

[left on green only]

41. Everything is happening acording to plan

Of Course Eric Fuller is traumatized with anger and rage as the result of everything that has happened to him. I would think that's the whole reason why ABC News recruited him to be on their petty "Townhall" program. They wanted to see if they could do something to shake out a traumatized victim and make him loose his cool. "Hey everybody!" "Let's stir up the pot and see what we can shake loose!" "And if we can turn it into more violence, it will really help our ratings, and we can then begin charging a whole lot more money to our advertisers." That is what commercial news and media is all about....greed and the ability to make more money. ....."He's only a pawn in their game"...... Bob Dylan 1964. Wake up people!......or am I just being cynical?

edited by author to add word omitted in 5th sentence.

[Truth2Tell]

54. Bingo! and

welcome to DU! :hi:

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

42. NEWSFLASH: Limbaugh, Beck and Palin NOT arrested for threats

ironic that someone can use the airwaves and internet to incite threats and assassinations
and get away with it, but someone who was a victim of these threats is punished.

[slackmaster]

52. And Mr. Fuller probably just chucked what may have been a unique opportunity to sue them for damages

He could have put his money where his mouth is, but he has blown his credibility to smithereens.

[sweetapogee]

71. you are of course

correct. But it is actually worse than that because with an involuntary the patient loses some control over the diagnosis and treatment. So if the assessment reveals that the patient has issues that need to be addressed then there is the power of the court system backing the health care providers opinions and the patient has to submit to whatever or face possible involuntary confinement. In other words, freedom of choice for the patient is in danger of being lost.

[pnorman]

44. I'm bookmarking this thread for latest develoments.

n/t

[barbtries]

45. i'm so sorry to hear this happened,

but given that this tea party asshole has all but blamed giffords for the shooting, i can certainly imagine the extent of his rage. first shot, then to hear this jerk blame the congresswoman? uh.

my daughter was killed, run over by an enraged drunk woman who was charged with murder. bekah's tox came back positive for illicit substances. her killer's lawyer was interviewed by the local rag and intimated that bekah had jumped in front of the killer's car (which in reality the woman had driven out of her lane to mow my daughter down). talk about blaming the victim.

i nearly had a stroke, i swear to gawd. this motherfucker went and trashed my dead daughter in the newspaper. i guess i perhaps have never been so pissed.

i knew i could not respond that day. my son, one of bek's friends and i drove to a place in malibu called shrine lake to calm down, and think. meditate, breathe, just breathe. the next day i sat down and wrote a letter to the editor. it was concise, it centered on Bekah, my daughter who had written in her diary the night before she was killed, "I am happy," was excelling in school, holding a job, maintaining her relationships, etc. Living, and loving life.

if i hadn't taken that day to calm down i don't know what i would have written. but i'm sure it would have focused more on sleazy lawyers and their murderous clients. and the newspaper would have printed it.

i just feel like i know how he feels, and am full of regret that the situation deteriorated to this extent.

and i still blame the fucking teabaggers and republicans in general for the fact that our society is so polarized and full of hate.

[reggie the dog]

59. your daughter smoked a joint and they tried to say that was proof

she jumped in front of the drunk's car?

[barbtries]

60. she had marijuana and meth

in her system. the lawyer was quoted in the newspaper that this made the state's case fall apart, because it is known that these substances are associated with impaired depth perception, suicidal tendencies, blah blah. i can't remember the precise wording. but clearly he was trying to deflect attention away from the murderous act of his client and blame bekah for her death.
the fact is that bekah was a very prudent person - in spite of her partying, she was no addict - who had never been in a traffic accident, was a student who was remembered at her commencement (after she was dead) as a valedictorian candidate, worked, etc.
the facts of the case were that his client went out of her lane, ran bekah over, dragged her body down the street, and left bek in the median to bleed out and die. not even a skid mark.

[reggie the dog]

72. that is horrible

was the driver harsly punished for that? i have no idea what kind of pain you feel from something like this, i cannot even imagine it.

[barbtries]

73. thank you.

the answer to your question is no. she was given a plea deal and was out of prison in a little over 2 years.

[freshwest]

88. I'm so sorry. You have handled this well.

Why do these people have to act so filthy? Someone is dead and never coming back. They have family and they have feelings. Nothing your child could have done deserved any of this.

:hug:

[bluestateguy]

46. While we can never condone this

we need to understand the anger that is caused by the Tea Party's behavior and rhetoric that seems to have pushed him to say something that he shouldn't have said.

[2Design]

48. so why isn't palin, beck, and faux news arrest .... only left get arrested

[radhika]

49. Baggers don't like THAT side of a gun, do they? n/t

[glinda]

51. Analogy of "shooting" only with a camera. It was symbolic.

[slackmaster]

53. The exact same thing could be said of a political map "targeting" districts before an election

So it goes.

[glinda]

66. Except one was promoted online and out there for large masses of people through a

public figure/personality and the other was a moment in reaction by one person with a non-gun/weapon related object. He gets arrested and Palin/Beck/ Limbaugh just keep going on and on and on.

[slackmaster]

67. I think either both acts are OK, or they're both not OK, and I'm not up on the applicable laws

I personally wouldn't ever indulge in either because I feel that even if they are legally permissible, they're in poor taste and likely to produce negative unintended consequences.

As to whether or not they're legally OK, it's up for a court to decide.

[ProudDad]

74. There was a time in this country

when this would have been understood in context and settled on-site WITHOUT ARRESTS...

We have deteriorated into a knee-jerk police state and this is further proof...

"Courts" and police should be kept out of a pretty damn obvious case of a victim's anger leading to incoherence by someone who had plenty of reason to react to that execrable piece of shit Trent Humphries...

[workinclasszero]

57. When do Murdoch, Limbaugh, Beck and Palin get arrested?

Just askin.:shrug:

Oh right, this is America and they are rich reich wingers, what was I thinkin? :banghead:

[CJCRANE]

7. Another twist to the debate about threatening language...

will the teabaggers support his right to use threatening language..?

[dipsydoodle]

38. Again ?

I thought this was in LBN yesterday. :shrug:

edit to add :

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x4698207

[fasttense]

61. So, when are the AZ tea baggers going to arrest the remaining victims?

Aren't there a few victims out there who still think the tea baggers are the cause of the shooting? I think if they express those beliefs, they too will end up in jail or the psych ward.

[JJW]

64. Clarification

I'd like to hear Eric Fuller's explanation of what happened. Being on pain killer, he may not have said what he meant or perhaps something else was going on, that hasn't been reported. We need full context. He may have meant getting a gun and pulling the trigger is as easy as taking a photo with a cell phone. Or perhaps he meant, he is politically dead.

In the Guardian, Trent Humphries said it was Gabby's fault that she got shot in her head because she didn't hire security.

Rep. Terri Proud ran a campaign ad about guns and the gals that love guns, called guns & gals.

ABC also had it prearranged that the Tea Bagger would be called on and given the national stage.

It is disgusting to hold a town hall, in less than a week of the incident, and when some of the victims have not even been buried.

[James48]

68. And McCain celebrates

[rug]

69. KGUN

[ProudDad]

77. Of course, in the New Mississippi, Arizona...

And in Tucson,

tea-baggers can gather by the thousands at the local minor league ballpark...

And listen to speaker after speaker like Trent Humphries, and Jesse Kelly and Sheriff Joe :puke: Arpaio and Jon Justice :puke: spout "implied" death threats from the stage...

And no one gets arrested...

Imagine that...

[ThatPoetGuy]

78. Unbelievable.

A Tea Party leader tried to turn the victims' memorial into a political opportunity. He made a backhanded attack on those who differ from him, while simultaneously using his podium to rally right-wingers in the audience toward a new political strategy. The aim of that strategy is to make sure that all future rallies are just as unsafe, and all future psychos have as easy a time getting armed. He did this WHILE SPEAKING AT A MEMORIAL FOR THE DEAD VICTIMS. What a fucking vile piece of shit.

One of the survivors was present, and he shouted something at the corpse-raping scumbag, and the scumbag had him arrested for it.

[LisaL]

79. It was a town hall meeting, not a memorial.

[ThatPoetGuy]

80. A town hall held at the local church and titled "after the tragedy" --

and the Tea Partier didn't have the maturity to hold off until later on trying to attack liberals?

[LisaL]

83. The tea pariter didn't want to discuss gun control.

I sure as hell wouldn't call that an "attack."

[HEyHEY]

82. Uh, he yelled "you're dead" when someone yells "you're dead" they will usually be arrested

Are the cops supposed to just say, "oh, well he probably doesn't mean it, let's get lunch"?

[unkachuck]

81. wasn't Mr. Fuller....

....exercising his First Amendment right to free speech just like palin, baggers and fascist radio droolers?

....since this seems to have occurred after, "...Humphries suggested that any conversations about gun control should be delayed until all the dead were buried..." could Mr. Fuller have meant 'you're dead' as in 'you're brain-dead' or stupid?

....Humphries is probably after all, an anti-gun-control bagger....Mr. Fullers possible concern about more people dying before we have a meaningful dialog on gun control could be considered timely and legitimate....

[robcon]

84. He's probably unaware of his projection.

Accusing others of making threats to hide his predilection for threatening people.

[Imajika]

85. You seem to be grasping at any excuse you can find for Fuller...

..when it sounds to me like he did precisely what he is accused of. I am not even aware of any denials on his part. The man was just shot and deserves some special consideration, but that doesn't make it in any way "timely and legitimate" to do what he was accused of.

"Humphries is probably after all, an anti-gun-control bagger....Mr. Fullers possible concern about more people dying before we have a meaningful dialog on gun control could be considered timely and legitimate...."

Lots of people are anti gun control, even right here on DU. That doesn't excuse making death threats or yelling out that everyone in the audience is a whore. And it certainly doesn't excuse what he said the day before if you can believe the NY Post:

"There would be torture and then an ear necklace, with Michelle Bachmann and Sarah Palin's ears toward the end, because they're small, female ears, and then Limbaugh, Hannity and the biggest ears of all, Cheney's, in the center,"

Umm, yeah.

Sounds like Fuller needs some serious mental health help and I hope he gets it. If we learn one thing from this it is to get people with mental disorders assistance as quickly as possible.

[unkachuck]

86. I'm sure....

....Mr. Fullers over-the-top remarks reflect in no small part the trauma he's been through....

....it could also reflect the hyperbole of a person fed up with living in a culture that wants to inspect Grandmas' asshole at an airport, send you to prison for not have a pet license, yet celebrates and tolerates potentially sick people walking around with loaded handguns at grocery stores....

[Youth Uprising]

89. He has every right to be angry...

Poor man. He is obviously suffering from post traumatic stress disorder. I don't think he meant that as a threat, more as an expression of rage.