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TacticalPeek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-11 08:41 PM
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Nurses Blast Obama Administration for Removing OSHA Safety Rule
Source: Advance for Nurses Magazine


Nurses Blast Obama Administration for Removing OSHA Safety Rule

Posted on: January 27, 2011

National Nurses United (NNU) is sharply criticizing the Obama administration for a decision by the U.S. Department of Labor (DOL) Tuesday to withdraw a rule requiring employers to report musculoskeletal injuries to the Occupational Safety and Health Administration (OSHA).

"This is a disturbing sign that the Obama administration may be putting the economic interests of employers ahead of the safety of nurses and other working people," says Karen Higgins, RN, co-president of the 160,000-member nurses union.

The decades-old rule reportedly was pulled by the DOL at the request of the White House's Office of Management and Budget. The decision, according to NNU, "coincides with the recent announcement by the Obama administration that it intends to pursue deregulation of rules opposed by corporate interests.

"Nursing is one of the most dangerous occupations in the U.S., and nurses are especially subject to serious back and other musculoskeletal injuries," says Higgins. "One step we can take to keep nurses safe and at work is to have an accurate picture of when and how they are hurt on the job."

http://nursing.advanceweb.com/News/National-News/Nurses-Blast-Obama-Administration-for-Removing-OSHA-Safety-Rule.aspx



Read more: http://nursing.advanceweb.com/News/National-News/Nurses-Blast-Obama-Administration-for-Removing-OSHA-Safety-Rule.aspx




I hope that changes.

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postulater Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-11 08:49 PM
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This is not the right kind of hope and change.
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-11 08:50 PM
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2. you better *hope* you don't herniate a disc is the kind of change we're talking about
it seems.
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-11 08:49 PM
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1. so, this wouldn't just affect nurses -- this is any back injury
is that right?
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TheMadMonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-11 09:33 PM
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8. Pretty much ANY physical injury as a result of overstressing the body.
Backs are just a part of it. Also any repetetive strain injuries. Or any other chronic injury to the human frame. Acute injuries too, but it's a little less useful to know that vintage car starters suffer an excess of broken wrists and thumbs.

And the intent is obvious. To make it that much more dificult for work injured litigants to compare notes or establish a pattern of harmful behaviour on the part of their employers.
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-11 01:26 PM
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70. Here is an interesting tidbit
As a nurse, this infuriates me. This is a BIG deal for nursing.

http://www.spineuniverse.com/wellness/ergonomics/back-care-nurses

>>>>snip
Construction workers, warehouse personnel, delivery goods drivers, nurses, shopkeepers and farm workers. If you had to choose, which of these occupations suffers the highest incidence of back injury? You might think that construction workers or delivery goods drivers might be the riskiest occupations for back injuries, because the work involves a lot of bending and lifting, but you'd be wrong! Many people are surprised to learn the nursing is the riskiest occupation for back injuries! In fact, nursing has the second highest incidence of all types of non-fatal work-related injuries in the U.S.A.

>>>>>>>Snip
In all industries combined, 1998 injury data show that nearly 12 out of 100 nurses in hospitals, and 17.3 out of 100 nurses working in nursing homes report work-related musculoskeletal injuries, including back injuries, which is about double the rate for all industries combined.
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Marnie Donating Member (706 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-11 01:50 PM
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75. Right, Few other occupations require empolyees
to lift and move unwieldy objects weighing up to 400 pounds, or a frequent, basis.
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TheMadMonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-11 01:42 AM
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98. Not at all surprised. Our loads on the whole don't fight back.
The New Year's Bushfires that hit NSW a few years ago came down into our backyard. Getting my 90+ year old grandmother down the stairs was quite an experience.

Getting my 90+ year old grandmother anywhere was quite an experience.
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Scruffy1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-11 08:52 PM
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3. Strange that this law was signed by a Republican
Now were happy to have an anti-labor Republican running things.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-11 08:54 PM
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4. According to the DOL, this is a temporary removal of a proposal.
US Labor Department’s OSHA temporarily withdraws proposed column for work-related musculoskeletal disorders, reaches out to small businesses

WASHINGTON — The U.S. Department of Labor's Occupational Safety and Health Administration today announced that it has temporarily withdrawn from review by the Office of Management and Budget its proposal to restore a column for work-related musculoskeletal disorders on employer injury and illness logs. The agency has taken this action to seek greater input from small businesses on the impact of the proposal and will do so through outreach in partnership with the U.S. Small Business Administration's Office of Advocacy.

"Work-related musculoskeletal disorders remain the leading cause of workplace injury and illness in this country, and this proposal is an effort to assist employers and OSHA in better identifying problems in workplaces," said Assistant Secretary of Labor for Occupational Safety and Health Dr. David Michaels. "However, it is clear that the proposal has raised concern among small businesses, so OSHA is facilitating an active dialogue between the agency and the small business community."

According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, MSDs accounted for 28 percent of all reported workplace injuries and illnesses requiring time away from work in 2009.

The proposed rule would not change existing requirements about when and under what circumstances employers must record MSDs on their injury and illness logs. While many employers are currently required to keep a record of workplace injuries and illnesses, including work-related MSDs, on the OSHA Form 300 (Log of Work-Related Injuries and Illnesses), the vast majority of small businesses are not required to keep such records. The proposed rule would require those employers already mandated to keep injury and illness records, and to record MSDs, to place a check mark in the new column for all MSDs.

Prior to 2001, OSHA's injury and illness logs contained a column for repetitive trauma disorders that included noise and many kinds of MSDs. In 2001, OSHA separated noise and MSDs into two columns, but the MSD column was deleted in 2003 before the provision became effective. This proposal would restore the MSD column to the Form 300.

OSHA and the U.S. Small Business Administration's Office of Advocacy jointly will hold a meeting to engage and listen to small businesses about the agency's proposal. Small businesses from around the country will be able to participate through electronic means, such as telephone and/or a Web forum. Details of the meeting will be announced within 30 days. OSHA also will conduct a stakeholder meeting with other members of the public if requested.

Under the Occupational Safety and Health Act of 1970, employers are responsible for providing safe and healthful workplaces for their employees. OSHA's role is to assure these conditions for America's working men and women by setting and enforcing standards, and providing training, education and assistance. For more information, visit http://www.osha.gov.



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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-11 10:50 PM
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13. Yeah, like temporary tax cuts, temporary war, and temporary
torture venues.

I thought OSHA was to protect workers from harsh working conditions. This line is hilarious:

"Work-related musculoskeletal disorders remain the leading cause of workplace injury and illness in this country, (but) it is clear that the proposal has raised concern among small businesses".

Guess what. EVERYTHING OSHA IS SUPPOSED TO DO RAISES CONCERNS AMONG BUSINESS. Duh.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-11 10:55 PM
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14. "proposal"
It's a proposal to restore a column. In other words, no regulation is being withdrawn.

What the hell good are facts if people are going to ignore them?

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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-11 12:23 AM
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18. Op says it's "decades old rule." And the Nurses' Assn seems to agree with that.
Edited on Fri Jan-28-11 12:25 AM by No Elephants
:shrug:
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-11 09:10 AM
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43. The rule isn't changing.
The Obama administration made a proposal a year ago, and it is that proposal that is being withdrawn for review.

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Divernan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-11 10:06 AM
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54. There IS no rule - Bush got rid of it in 2003!
Edited on Fri Jan-28-11 10:08 AM by Divernan
Obama endorses Bush yet again.
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fatbuckel Donating Member (518 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-11 10:35 AM
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55. But that wouldn`t be easy to bitch about, if they researched the facts and details.
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liberation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-11 01:13 PM
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65. Well, researching those facts and details apparently is really hard even for those defending him too
Since you only provided passive aggressive snark, which frankly is not that hard either, in lieu of those "facts and details" no?
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fatbuckel Donating Member (518 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-11 01:33 PM
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72. See Post #4...
WASHINGTON — The U.S. Department of Labor's Occupational Safety and Health Administration today announced that it has temporarily withdrawn from review by the Office of Management and Budget its proposal to restore a column for work-related musculoskeletal disorders on employer injury and illness logs. The agency has taken this action to seek greater input from small businesses on the impact of the proposal and will do so through outreach in partnership with the U.S. Small Business Administration's Office of Advocacy.

"Work-related musculoskeletal disorders remain the leading cause of workplace injury and illness in this country, and this proposal is an effort to assist employers and OSHA in better identifying problems in workplaces," said Assistant Secretary of Labor for Occupational Safety and Health Dr. David Michaels. "However, it is clear that the proposal has raised concern among small businesses, so OSHA is facilitating an active dialogue between the agency and the small business community."

According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, MSDs accounted for 28 percent of all reported workplace injuries and illnesses requiring time away from work in 2009.

The proposed rule would not change existing requirements about when and under what circumstances employers must record MSDs on their injury and illness logs. While many employers are currently required to keep a record of workplace injuries and illnesses, including work-related MSDs, on the OSHA Form 300 (Log of Work-Related Injuries and Illnesses), the vast majority of small businesses are not required to keep such records. The proposed rule would require those employers already mandated to keep injury and illness records, and to record MSDs, to place a check mark in the new column for all MSDs.

Prior to 2001, OSHA's injury and illness logs contained a column for repetitive trauma disorders that included noise and many kinds of MSDs. In 2001, OSHA separated noise and MSDs into two columns, but the MSD column was deleted in 2003 before the provision became effective. This proposal would restore the MSD column to the Form 300.

OSHA and the U.S. Small Business Administration's Office of Advocacy jointly will hold a meeting to engage and listen to small businesses about the agency's proposal. Small businesses from around the country will be able to participate through electronic means, such as telephone and/or a Web forum. Details of the meeting will be announced within 30 days. OSHA also will conduct a stakeholder meeting with other members of the public if requested.

Under the Occupational Safety and Health Act of 1970, employers are responsible for providing safe and healthful workplaces for their employees. OSHA's role is to assure these conditions for America's working men and women by setting and enforcing standards, and providing training, education and assistance. For more information, visit http://www.osha.gov .
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lark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-11 04:30 PM
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79. What's not easy to bitch about?
Obama (pre-Republican days) had proposed that OSHA require reporting of neuro-muscular injuries and has now withdrawn the rule and says it's just temporary - but that's BS and we all know it. All he's doing these days is channeling Bush - a more lucid & coherent Bush to be sure - but still Bush lite. Dread the day when he looks at Financial regs again, fear even these tepid ineffective measures will be gutted by even more corporatist than before Obama.
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-11 05:05 PM
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83. If it's no big deal, as you suggest, why was the column removed in 2003. And why has it been
proposed to reinstate and then reconsidered. Seems that someone besides the nurses thing the column is important.

Your incessant defense of everything the administration does is transparent.
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freshwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-11 12:09 AM
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16. Yup

:banghead:

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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-11 02:42 AM
Response to Reply #13
23. +10,000,000,000,000,000,000 n/t
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molly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-11 09:13 AM
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45. Obama was criticized as not being business friendly
So in order to be bipartisan , he is now saying business does not have to follow any laws unless they want to.

How very fascist.Hope business is happy.
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MissDeeds Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-11 09:32 AM
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47. Spot on n/t
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Le Taz Hot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-11 04:16 AM
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27. Oh, so this is all for "Small Business!"
Now I understand. :eyes:
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-11 09:15 AM
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46. Yeah,
Edited on Fri Jan-28-11 09:15 AM by ProSense
well it's great that everyone is outraged because the administration is reviewing a rule it proposed, something that doesn't yet exist in regulation.

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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-11 09:05 PM
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6. Just another way for Obama to screw the citizens & kiss up to his beloved corporations.
Edited on Thu Jan-27-11 09:06 PM by Vidar
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ncteechur Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-11 09:27 PM
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7. How about posting ALL the facts before you post something in an effort to shit on the president.
Because it sounds like the nurses union don't have all the facts, if we are to believe the full story posted by Prosense.

Thanks, Prosense. Maybe other posters can learn from your example.

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Still a Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-11 09:34 PM
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9. And ruin a good outrage?
What fun is reality?
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displacedvermoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-11 12:57 PM
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64. Its Poutrage, goddamnit!!!
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-11 04:47 AM
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29. Yes, boo hoo.
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boppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-11 02:51 AM
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24. Outrage generates more donations and revenue than facts.
Where would media be if it was required to be accurate and informative?
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liberation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-11 01:15 PM
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66. Ironic
DIdn't Obama raise record amounts of donations for his campaign?
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boppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-11 09:02 PM
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94. Yes We Can.
:D
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RufusTFirefly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-11 06:52 AM
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33. Darn nurses. Always going off half-cocked. Just in it for themselves
Nothing but full-time Obama haters. Darn, darn, darn.

:sarcasm:
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derby378 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-11 09:09 AM
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42. Yep, I'm afraid I gotta side with the nurses here
Edited on Fri Jan-28-11 09:10 AM by derby378
My sister-in-law worked as a nurse and is now a PA. She holds down jobs at two or three different clinics to provide for her family's growing needs. Who's going to look out for her?
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pecwae Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-11 06:54 AM
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34. Oh my.
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liberation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-11 01:18 PM
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68. Nothing is stopping you from posting all those facts to defend the president either
Obviously you and "pro" "sense" know the facts about their situation better than the nurses themselves do, so please feel free to enlighten them about their own reality and correct their lying eyes.
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inna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-11 01:19 PM
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69. "in an effort to shit on the president" - vile, false and uncalled for accusation

:thumbsdown:
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-11 05:45 PM
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85. Interesting that anyone daring to criticize the president doesnt have all the facts. Prosense
apparently knows all. To me the fact that he 1000% defends the administration is suspect.
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smiley_glad_hands Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-11 09:40 PM
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10. Don't confuse an OSHA reporting requirement for a workman's comp claim.
Further, an injury would still get logged, this category just wouldn't have its own column.
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freshwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-11 12:13 AM
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17. So you're saying this is just paperwork, and the nurses are having a hissy for nothing?
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smiley_glad_hands Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-11 06:01 PM
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86. Pretty much thats all this is.....a hissy fit. eom
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-11 12:46 AM
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19. And small business and the Nurses' are up in arms over 2 lines on paper, nothing more
Why even bother with a change like that--"relieving" small businesses of nn obligation to make a mark--nothing more.

Sorry, something is just not making sense.
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smiley_glad_hands Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-11 06:34 PM
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90. All workplace injuries and illnesses will continue to be recorded. eom
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Gormy Cuss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-11 11:49 AM
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59. which makes it easier for the extent of the problem to get lost.
It's like the common practice of citing "complications" of the initially presenting condition as the cause of death when a nosocomial infection was the reason the prognosis went from fair to death.
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smiley_glad_hands Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-11 06:05 PM
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88. I wouldnt know about that specific ailment.
Injuries and illnesses that occur in the workplace will continue to be recorded regardless of this rule.
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-11 12:51 AM
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20. Seems as though we need more info.
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TacticalPeek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-11 02:14 AM
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22. OSHA Backtracks on Proposed Workplace Injury Rule - AFL-CIO

. . . From 1970 until the Bush administration in 2003 deleted the MSD column on the injury and illness form, employers were required to identify these injuries. But when OSHA proposed to restore the MSD record-keeping rule, the business community went into a tizzy, claiming it was a costly burden and government overreach. That’s not a surprise.

. . . The agency said the withdrawal will be temporary because OSHA planned to “engage and listen” to small businesses’ concerns about the agency’s proposal. The rule was proposed nearly a year ago, and those concerns were thoroughly expressed during the comment period and in public hearings.

http://blog.aflcio.org/2011/01/26/osha-backtracks-on-proposed-workplace-injury-rule/




The U.S. Department of Labor's Occupational Safety and Health Administration (OSHA) is backing down from its plan to resume measurement of work-related musculoskeletal injuries on employer injury and illness logs.
. . .
Chasick said the costs of the proposed rule are "miniscule."

"OSHA’s proposed rule determined that the costs per business of becoming familiar with the change and recording musculoskeletal disorders as such would be approximately four dollars for the first year and 67 cents for subsequent years."

"This rule has been held up by the Office of Information and Regulatory Affairs (OIRA), which should not have reviewed the rule in the first place, and has missed deadlines for completing review." Chasick said. "Now this rule is being improperly subjected to a small business review panel. Neither of these additional review procedures is appropriate for a rule with such a small economic impact."

Chasick said it is the second rule that OSHA has withdrawn since President Obama issued an op-ed, memorandum and executive order criticizing regulations and calling for more business influence in the rulemaking process.

"Last week, the administration backed off a proposed workplace noise rule in response to complaints from major business groups. We are troubled by the implications of these actions, and urge OSHA to resume its efforts to protect workers from injuries and illnesses," Chasick said.

http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news04/2011/01/obama-administration-backtracks-on-musculoskeletal-disorders.html



Fuck this shit.

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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-11 03:22 AM
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25. Thank you for the quote. This thread is making much more sense now.
I googled before, but did not find anything right away that helped me make sense of this and did not feel like spending a lot of time. So, thanks for being less lazy than I was.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-11 08:06 AM
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36. Thanks for this extra information which clarifies the points in the OP.
:thumbsup:
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Divernan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-11 08:35 AM
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38. A question for posters supporting Obama - "Cui Bono?"
ProSense, above, asks a valid question "What the hell good are facts if people are going to ignore them?"
In that spirit, we await his/her response to TacticalPeek's facts.

Record keeping matters and is the basis for decisions regarding regulations protecting workers' health and welfare.
Why did the Bush administration, in 2003, delete that column which had been in place since 1970? Surely not out of any concern for American workers. As in all else, Bush acted in the financial interests of business.

Cui bono ("To whose benefit?", literally "as a benefit to whom?", a double dative construction) is a Latin adage that is used either to suggest a hidden motive or to indicate that the party responsible for something may not be who it appears at first to be.

Commonly the phrase is used to suggest that the person or people guilty of committing a crime may be found among those who have something to gain, chiefly with an eye toward FINANCIAL gain. The party that benefits may not always be obvious or may have successfully diverted attention to a scapegoat, for example.

The Roman orator and statesman Marcus Tullius Cicero, in his speech Pro Roscio Amerino<1>, section 84, attributed the expression cui bono to the Roman consul and censor Lucius Cassius Longinus Ravilla:
“ L. Cassius ille quem populus Romanus verissimum et sapientissimum iudicem putabat identidem in causis quaerere solebat 'cui bono' fuisset.

The famous Lucius Cassius, whom the Roman people used to regard as a very honest and wise judge, was in the habit of asking, time and again, 'To whose benefit?'


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Dappleganger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-11 02:15 PM
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77. This is a great post, worthy of it's own thread on GD.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-11 09:13 AM
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44. Here
. . The agency said the withdrawal will be temporary because OSHA planned to “engage and listen” to small businesses’ concerns about the agency’s proposal. The rule was proposed nearly a year ago, and those concerns were thoroughly expressed during the comment period and in public hearings.



The Obama administration made a proposal a year ago, and it is that proposal that is being withdrawn for review.
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Divernan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-11 10:04 AM
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53. What's to review any further? You either document these injuries or you don't.
Who benefits if these injuries are not documented? Small businesses.
Who benefits secondarily? Politicians who get donations from small businesses, the Chamber of Commerce, etc. And of course, this further "review" period is when the lobbyists will be passing the hat and ponying up campaign contributions & promises of future campaign contributions in exchange for stalling, delaying and postponing.

Surely, you are not stating that the Obama administration made this proposal a year ago without having determined that it was a worthwhile proposal?

This is exactly what I saw in state government (Pennsylvania) for many years. Bills and regulations would be drafted which threatened the special interests, public hearings would be held, and said special interests would make the rounds of the Governor's office and the leadership of legislative majority and minority parties, plus any individual representative or senator who was on a committee considering said proposals. And oh, too bad, the legislative session ended before any action could be taken. For example, it took over ten years to get a state building code passed, and the national & state homebuilders groups poured in buckets of money to keep blocking that legislation.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-11 11:41 AM
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58. "What's to review any further? You either document these injuries or you don't."
Edited on Fri Jan-28-11 11:42 AM by ProSense
At least you acknowledged that it's a review.

"Surely, you are not stating that the Obama administration made this proposal a year ago without having determined that it was a worthwhile proposal?"

Yes, they proposed it, and do you have any idea what they proposed? Did it go further than the rule Bush removed in 2003? Is there a legitimate concern?

Surely one can protest pulling the proposal temporarily for review without implying that a rule currently being enforced was pulled by the Obama administration.

From the OP: "The decades-old rule reportedly was pulled by the DOL at the request of the White House's Office of Management and Budget."

It's decades old, but Bush pulled it in 2003.

The Obama administration proposed the current rule withdrawn for review.




Edited for clarity.


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Divernan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-11 12:49 PM
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63. It's been repeatedly & clearly stated that the rule was pulled by Bush's administration in 2003
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-11 04:41 AM
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28. Disturbing sign?
He's a god damned Republican!
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Lasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-11 05:34 AM
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30. Not quite, he's a neoliberal.
Which is almost as bad.
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MissDeeds Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-11 09:35 AM
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48. Yup
He certainly governs as one.
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-11 09:58 AM
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51. +100000!
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sam sarrha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-11 06:37 AM
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31. Creeping Dominionism.. god only favors the rich, punishes the poor. the Top 1% richest have 42% of
financial wealth, 6 times the bottom 80% with 7% or less by now.

since wealth and power are proof of gods favor of a man it is a sin to tax the rich.. and it is a sin to help the poor because god is punishing them..

1/3 of all red states are totally controlled by Christian Mafia, and this mental illness is spreading at epidemic rates.. Dominionism is actually similar to Sharia law.. started in America in the 30's by a Nazi Party refugee, Abraham Varidi
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goforit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-11 12:42 PM
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62. Not wait.... even the rich need healthcare. Without RNs well
they are on their own.
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MedicalAdmin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-11 06:47 AM
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32. Nixon. Raygun. Boosh. Shrub. How deeply have they corrupted the govt?
This is a stupid rule.

And I have to wonder just how big the rock is that he pushes uphill daily. Just how many bought and paid for corporatists are buried in our government? How deep does the corruption go?
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old mark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-11 08:01 AM
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35. K&R-I suffered back injuries when I worked in nursing, and helped an aide
Edited on Fri Jan-28-11 08:02 AM by old mark
in her suit against our hospital when she was ordered to return to work after a neck injury that left her pemnanently disabled. She won.

Hospital administrators and HRC people are as ruthless as those in any other industries, and EVERY small step backwards is a slap in the face to all organized labor and all health care workers.

Mr. Obama, you should be ashamed if you still have the capacity for that.


mark
Former AFSCME Steward

ADDED: here is the White House email contact page-please make your feelings known there as well as here...this really sucks.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/contact/
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-11 08:07 AM
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37. +1
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Divernan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-11 08:42 AM
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39. This pro-worker rule went into effect under Nixon, and was left in place by
Edited on Fri Jan-28-11 08:43 AM by Divernan
Ford, Carter, Reagan, George H.W. Bush, & Clinton. It was put in place in 1970, and was gutted by W in 2003. And now Obama's administration is endorsing and sustaining that gutting.
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Divernan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-11 08:53 AM
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40. And while we're on the subject, a heartfelt thank you to all nurses everywhere.
Edited on Fri Jan-28-11 08:54 AM by Divernan
Right now there is a nurse helping a woman become a mom,
a nurse holding the hand of a dying man,
a nurse inserting a child's IV,
a nurse listening to an alzheimer patient tell a story,
A nurse comforting family members over the death of a loved one,
a nurse missing their family while caring for yours. In the minute it
took you to read this nurses all over the world are saving lives.

(And those of us non-nurses who have cared for elderly relatives, or other seriously ill and/ordisabled adults, know about the wear and tear on our backs and shoulders from lifting and shifting.)
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Disintermedia8 Donating Member (174 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-11 11:32 AM
Response to Reply #40
57. If anyone was to measure a society
in terms of how it takes care of its children and its elderly ...
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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-11 09:06 AM
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41. Have to get rid of these terrible regulations that are making U.S. workers less competitive.
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Disintermedia8 Donating Member (174 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-11 09:40 AM
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49. musculoskeletal injuries
Edited on Fri Jan-28-11 09:40 AM by Disintermedia8
are one of the costliest injuries for employers to pay for under workers compensation. It is particularly problematic for employers because the case typically stays open for years, or even a lifetime. The cost of treatment + the cost of indemnity + the cost of lawyers = a big headache for employers.

This rule is a way for employers to obfuscate the issue by denying the necessary data to policy making bodies.

In essence, this is a Republican/Libertarian's nocturnal emission.
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Divernan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-11 09:51 AM
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50. Spot on, insightful comment. Welcome to DU
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Disintermedia8 Donating Member (174 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-11 10:49 AM
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56. thank you. #
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sam sarrha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-11 07:22 PM
Response to Reply #49
91. is Obama really just a Chicago Corporate Mob Don...? what the hell is go'n on with that guy.??
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Disintermedia8 Donating Member (174 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-11 07:28 PM
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92. I sure wish I knew what makes him tick.
But I was bamboozled quite easily by his schtick, so my powers of observation can be legitimately called in to question.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-11 09:59 AM
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52. The nurses of the United States our one of our greatest assets, so now we must dump on them. I see.
Edited on Fri Jan-28-11 10:00 AM by lonestarnot
:thumbs down: !!!!
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-11 12:26 PM
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60. Keep the faith?
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goforit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-11 12:40 PM
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61. Nurses can rebel by not lifting anymore.
Nurses do the work. Not doctors. Not technicians.
Healthcare would be far worse if nurses just stopped.
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dana_b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-11 09:40 PM
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95. and leave my patient sitting
in his/her own waste? Don't pick up that crying child whose mom and dad are not there? Don't help the patient to ambulate when it is what is keeping them from developing a blood clot? I don't think so.

i understand what you are saying but I can't see that happening. I wish it was different - believe me - I am currently living this nightmare.
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RKP5637 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-11 01:15 PM
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67. More change you can believe in ... n/t
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Marnie Donating Member (706 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-11 01:30 PM
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71. Will this finally convence the Dims that Obama
is a died in the wool Republican who lied his way into the nomination with talk of universal healthy care, single payer, ending wars, putting main street back to work, etc.

Sure he talks the talk every once in a while. But then he gets into his secret meetings a sells us out.
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somone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-11 01:43 PM
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73. This is a slap in the face to working Americans
especially those who voted for Obama
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Marnie Donating Member (706 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-11 01:44 PM
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74. Isn't it kind of OSHA's job to collect just that kind of info and
then make regulations and requirements to protect workers from their employer's willful neglect?

How much of a genius does it take to reach the commonsense conclusion that health care workers who have to move cumbersome heavy objects (human bodies) around 12/7, especially when some of those cumbersome heavy objects weight upwards of 400 pounds these days - that those people might be subject to musculoskeletal injuries, along with physical attacks, needle sticks, and being exposed to every communicable disease known to human kind.

A couple of years ago the California Nurses Association went on strike state wide because Schwartzenneger wanted to lower patient safety regulations requiring safe nurse/skill to patient/needs ratio. The nurses won, girly man Arnold back down.

It is time for the unions to get together and start vetting candidates for the nominating convention. Somebody who is a real Democrat.

Obama clearly is a Repocon with a very smooth like of BS.

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AnneD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-11 02:10 PM
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76. Just an FYI....
Edited on Fri Jan-28-11 02:14 PM by AnneD
Nurses and Nurse's Aides are required to lift more by their employers than those UPS and Fed Ex guys. No lie, they can get help at 50 lbs. The only people under 50 lbs in this job are under 10 yo. I can't tell you how many times I had to lift more than my weight by myself. Not only do you lift more weight, you do it at an awkward angle. I have had classes in body mechanics and do it as I should, but a confused pt will grab your neck instead of your shoulders in mid lift, or the weight shifts and you have to guide their fall frequently at YOUR EXPENSE.

Of all the Nurses in my graduating class (18 of us in 1991) five were out with MSI by the 5th year. We lost 2 to latex allergies and 2 now have Hep C. There is no telling how much long term problems we will have-knees, hips, etc from excess wear and tear. Nurses were so scarce they finally started supplying us with glove, safe stick needles, and lifting devices. They would not have done gloves and needles if the government through OSHA had not gotten on to them. Only stevedores have more MSI than Nurses. They truly don't give a rat's ass about the workers unless there is a law or they are sued. Those that do the right thing are few and far between.

I took up lifting weights and keep a chiropractor on retainer. I switched practice areas. I am one of the few that still is in active practice. I am coming to the end of my Nursing career. When I hang up these Crocs, I will not be coming back. There are few, if any hospitals that meet MY STANDARDS of Nursing Practice, and I am tired of lowering mine.

I gave up way to many holidays, birthdays, and family gatherings to take care of others. At this point I am ready to take care of my self and will protest for these incoming Nurses. It cost too much to educate a Nurse to discard them so casually.
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w8liftinglady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-11 02:35 PM
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78. I can verify 100% what you wrote.
examples...
Cpr on a pt family member who collapsed in a chair at bedside.on the night shift... One nurse peeing for the first time that shift,the other down the hall 'wiping" a patient(yes-nurses do those things,too).
Movement of patient who weighed in excess of 400 pounds by three staff...machinery that would have helped was out of service.
Cpr again on a patient who pulled out blood tranfusion,leaving entire room saturated with blood.
Pt's kid whp got stuck in overhead trapeze.
I have about 600 more examples.
The OSHA standards only recently became applied uniformly in Texas hospitals...especially those in the sticks.If it weren't for them,many of the small town hospital would revert to the staffing patterns of the 70's and 80's.
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dana_b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-11 09:49 PM
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96. don't I know it
and I appreciate what you have given. I was injured 6 years ago (only 4 years experience as a nurse at the time)moving a patient into a room and am still fighting the hospital's insurance company. I need surgery if I ever want to be able to sleep through the night again (pain is intense especially at night). We "won" the lawsuit but are still fighting the war.

Needle sticks and bodily fluid exposures, numerous injuries, and even psychological stress is knocking out the nurses I see around me. Unfortunately many of them are young nurses too.
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readmoreoften Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-11 04:39 PM
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80. Sickening. And the people apologizing for the anti-labor bullshit are just as bad.
There really isn't much common ground when you support this kind of anti-labor nonsense.
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-11 04:52 PM
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81. SEE??? Its all these pesky "regulations" that are getting in the way....
...of the Ownership Class making even more free money!!!


"There are forces within the Democratic Party who want us to sound like kinder, gentler Republicans. I want us to compete for that great mass of voters that want a party that will stand up for working Americans, family farmers, and people who haven't felt the benefits of the economic upturn."---Paul Wellstone


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Mattylock Donating Member (36 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-11 05:31 PM
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84. These injuries are documented many places.
OSHA is just another. In my state, for example, these injuries are documented in Work. Comp. court and our state version of OSHA, so although I understand that for efficiency purposes it would be great to have nationwide info. available through OSHA, I can't make the stretch to say it impacts safety. How so? I don't really understand the outrage. And it does seem that the article is inaccurate in that it calls the rule "decades old" when the truth of the matter is there hasn't been such a rule in nearly a decade.
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smiley_glad_hands Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-11 06:11 PM
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89. If your state osha recieves money from the feds, then they get that info. nt
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obxhead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-11 06:02 PM
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87. Phew, cutting that waste and redundancy away for progress!
For a minute I was sure he would break a promise.
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PatrynXX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-11 07:47 PM
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93. OSHA=FAIL
OSHA. ha. most ineffective item ever made. OSHA can't talk with State OSHA folks. and State OSHA's are usually corrupt.

We were required to blow the dust off the floor and equipment creating a cloud. Teacher tells me we are required to wear masks. State OSHA had no problems, but brought it up to the main one and Lee Enterprises and we get masks..
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howaboutme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-11 10:44 PM
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97. Why has most every US policy come to mean benefit for the moneyed elite?
I don't think that inference is an overstatement. The beef is given to business while the crumbs fall to the people.
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