Walker says National Guard is prepared

[Earth_First]

Source: Chicago Tribune

MADISON, Wis. — Gov. Scott Walker says the Wisconsin National Guard is prepared to respond if there is any unrest among state employees in the wake of his announcement that he wants to take away nearly all collective bargaining rights.

Walker said Friday that he hasn't called the Guard into action, but he has briefed them and other state agencies in preparation of any problems.

Walker says he has every confidence that state employees will continue to show up for work and do their jobs. But he says he's been working on contingency plans for months just in case they don't.

Walker says he's not anticipating any problems.


Read more: http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/chi-ap-wi-budgetwoes-nation,0,771747.story

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What.The.Fu*k!

[Goblinmonger]

1. Walker's a dbag

I hope all of my fellow Wisconsinites that voted for this moran and are public employees finally understand how stupid their vote was when they are out of work after this destruction of collective bargaining.

[atreides1]

7. It's too late for that

This is what they wanted..to paraphrase the Knight in 'Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade'..."they chose poorly"

Good luck.

[midnight]

84. I think Karl helped select this ding dong.... He isn't very smart....

[GillesDeleuze]

44. KENT STATE MUTHAFUKAS

you wanted to end furlough days? Walker will do it with a bayonet.

[lunasun]

87. amen so many voting against their own interests these days

[MrTriumph]

2. No, no, no. That's "WIN THE FUTURE"

x

[FreakinDJ]

take away collective bargaining rights. - is that constitutional

[former9thward]

24. It depends on how they got them in the first place.

If they got them when a previous governor issued an executive order granting the rights then a future governor can rescind that order. If the legislature passed a law giving the rights a future legislature could rescind them. It sounds like a previous governor issued an order giving the rights so now this guy is going to rescind that order. Collective bargaining has never been in the Constitution so that does not come up.

[FreakinDJ]

26. Constitutional Rights trump State Law

There have been several rulings by the SCOTUS granting American Citizens the RIGHT to form a Union and enter into Collective Bargaining Agreements

[former9thward]

49. Sorry the rulings don't apply.

The SC has ruled on collective bargaining under the National Labor Relations Act (NLRA). They have not given a Constitutional right to bargain. The NLRA only applies to the private sector. It specifically omits any public sector workers.

[NeoConsSuck]

59. It is being planned in Ohio also

http://www.dispatch.com/live/content/local_news/stories/2011/02/09/senate-republicans-negotiate-limiting-unions-power.html?sid=101

Edited to fix link.

[NeoConsSuck]

60. Dupe

[socialist_n_TN]

75. Well apparently they think it is. They're trying to do it...............

to teachers in Tennessee too. When I first heard about it, that's what I thought. Is this Constitutional?

[eleny]

3. Russ Feingold for governor!

[radhika]

17. WI is heading Right...

Now I see better how WI voters decided it was time to dump Russ Feingold. This is the kind of thuggery that they are up for now.

[vssmith]

111. The whole country is heading right--maybe the world

[HughBeaumont]

4. Uh . . . we're threatening innocent workers with military action now?

USAint? USAint?

Who does this fuck think he is anyway? Not even our fascist Gov would say that. Maybe if he was really REALLY tanked . . .

[bread_and_roses]

21. Exactly my thought

one has to ask, what have we come to? That a governor thinks it's OK to make such a threat, and the Chicago Tribune simply transcribes it without any real reporting - no questions of National Guard commanders, no questions of State functionaries or the Gov himself, no response from public union members or leadership, no nothing, just ho hum press release?

[Buenaventura]

33. it wouldn't be the first time a wisconsin governor

sent the guard in to murder working people. http://libcom.org/history/1886-bay-view-massacre

[Macoy51]

118. Is this an Onion Article??

I really hoped this was from the Onion….but then again, planning to call out the Guard over taking away workers rights is way to farfetched for the Onion.

Mac

[lobodons]

5. Wisconsin needs a Recall!!

Or an Egyptian uprising.

[AllyCat]

11. That's what I was thinking.

He's just letting us all know he'll shoot first and ask questions later.

[sybylla]

42. Problem is, in Wisconsin you can't recall until the mofo's been in office a year

So we're stuck with the bastard until late next spring at the earliest.

[rfranklin]

50. Start collecting signatures now...

It's never to early to get it rolling.

[Lefta Dissenter]

57. I've only worked on a local recall (successful, by the way),

and don't remember all of the rules (easy enough to find, though), but while you should be collecting contact information for people who would be supportive of an effort, there is a very specific timeline for the order of events and collection of valid signatures.

[Earth_First]

65. Signatures need to be collected within 60 days...

AFTER one year has been served of current term.

[rfranklin]

68. Get ACORN to work on it...

:sarcasm:

[glinda]

76. Yes. Start now!

[midnight]

85. That law is going to become more of a burden as this year goes on....

[dixiegrrrrl]

6. Gee, his timing sucks.

So the people of Wisconsin have the courage of Egyptians?
If not, they deserve what they get.

What a fucking threat...he just admitted he knows he is in the wrong.

[atreides1]

8. What about those in the Guard

...who are public employees? What about law enforcement personnel?

[CLANG]

28. EXEMPT! Police, Firefighters, National Guard. In a nice bow too!

[dixiegrrrrl]

9. This really needs to be rec'd. It is the tip of an oncoming iceberg.

That this threat should even be considered, much less announced, is beyond the pale.
I fear it will not be the last time such a thing happens.

[Posteritatis]

62. It's less the tip of an iceberg and more an iceberg proper. (nt)

[AllyCat]

10. I have talked to 3 people this week who voted for him and now have

buyer's remorse. One was a union teacher? What on earth were these people thinking? We are so screwed in this state. We can't use the national guard for actual things we need, but they are more than ready to attack workers who want to continue to make $47K a year so they can eat and have some health care? He campaigned on jobs, jobs, jobs and now that Wisco is "open for business", he has done everything to cut jobs and the salaries of the jobs we still have.

Grrr!!!

[christx30]

115. What if no one

showed up for work that day? The entire state workers union just has the "state workers flu"? No state work gets done that day at all. "We'll come back when you are ready to talk like a rational human being. Until then... *coff coff coff*"

[quakerboy]

117. Well, thats what them there national guard troops are for

dontcha know.

Plus that would take concerted effort and force of will. "we will not be broken" and all that. Which I haven't seen more than a smidgeon of in my lifetime.

[pscot]

12. This guy is a regular little Hitler

What in hell were cheeseheads thinking when they elected him?

[tpsbmam]

13. Oh good. He can talk to the mayor of L.A. and design a new program for

protests, dissenters, non-obeyers.....

Just sick the National Guard on them and then lock 'em up for a year.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=439&topic_id=391699&mesg_id=391699

Is it fascism yet?

[liberal N proud]

14. Must fear an uprising from the people he is about to screw

[hedgehog]

15. It's 18 degrees in Madison, Wisconsin today.

Who freezes first, the National Guard or the rioting workers?

All joking aside, I think it was a burst of record cold temperatures that prevented a real uprising in Dublin last December.

[AllyCat]

18. 18 degrees is positively balmy here compared to what it was earlier this week

I don't think it will be a factor.

[SomeGuyInEagan]

70. and into the 30s and 40s next week. The thaw is here ...

... and something stinks. Kick his ass, Wisconsin. Kick it hard and repeatedly.

[Kingofalldems]

16. K and R

I bet the freepers love this guy.

[JDPriestly]

19. So Gov. Walker is going the Mubarak route.

Don't these guys read the news?

People don't have to go on strike to get their rights. Government employees have lots of ways to make life pretty miserable for a sitting governor other than going out on the street to protest.

[MrMickeysMom]

100. Apparently, he ain't the only one...

I keep watching our "corporate" Corbet here in PA, and Rick Scott, in FL.

They're all gonna take fascist cues from one another in the Mubarak tradition. Only, who's money are they gonna get? We'll never know, thanks to the SCOTUS.

[HereSince1628]

20. He's been working on contingency plans for months?

I would have thought he's been planning this for years.

Using the military to break unions in Wisconsin is something that was used to put down protests for the 8 hour day. I don't know if it's been done since. Can we say that Walker is a radical militant conservative yet?


http://politicalaffairs.net/chicago-birthplace-of-may-day-and-the-8-hour-day/

Most of the May Day Marches went peacefully. In some cities, however, employers and government violently attacked the movement. Milwaukee was one of the cities where employers used deadly violence against workers who were striking for the 8-hour day.

The March for the 8-Hour Day was massive in Milwaukee on May 1st, 1886. Thousands participated. After the March, hundreds went to Milwaukee factories to spread the strike for the 8-Hour Day. By May 2, workers had shut down every factory but the Rolling Mills in Bay View. On May 3, the 8-hour-day strikers marched to the Mills. They picked up more marchers along the way, swelling their numbers to 1500. The strikers were mainly Polish, some German, and some Native American. Two hundred yards from the Bay View Mills, the marchers were met by the State Militia.

The Militia had orders to “shoot to kill,” and kill they did. They killed Frank Kunkel, Frank Nowarczyk, John Marsh, Robert Erdman, Johann Zaska, Martin Jankowiak, Michael Ruchalski and two unidentified Polish immigrants. After the massacre, many employers began to fire Polish workers “because the Polish people were too radical.” However, the citizens of Milwaukee sympathized with the 8-Hour Day strikers. Voters were outraged by the massacre. The 1888 elections replaced county and city government officials with Socialists. Socialist mayors were elected in Milwaukee and served many terms.

[ladjf]

22. Well of course. We can just shoot down anyone who display

dissatisfaction with the Government. For dictators, that is the common practice. It's so easy to be a bully.

[ChazInAz]

23. Are they Wobblies?

What century is this, again?

[proReality]

25. They should all walk out for a week or two

Let's see how his government works without them.

[CLANG]

27. Hosni - is that you?

[grahamhgreen]

29. American Mubarak

[countmyvote4real]

30. Egypt for Wisconsin n/t

[glinda]

77. Free Wisconsin!

[damntexdem]

31. Time for a general strike.

Oops, forgot -- Wisconsin ain't Eqypt. ;-)

[HankyDubs]

32. state militia

was also used to halt thoe homestead strike. History repeats itself.

[Tribalceltic]

34. two things come to mind

1. The Egyptian army did not open fire on their protesters, can we expect the same here. I don't think so.

2. The Air Controller strike in the 80's, where are they now?

:banghead:

[judesedit]

35. The Egyptians just showed you how to do it......peacefully

Or...there's always impeachment if the creep is overstepping his bounds. Find your common cause and unify. The people CAN make a difference.

[judesedit]

36. Our military is there to protect the Constitution of the U.S.

And the military should protect US from a corrupt government trying to destroy our equal rights. When the governor/politicians give up the security of their full retirement benefits that WE pay for, tell them you'll will consider negotiating.

[Lorien]

54. +1. nt

[judesedit]

37. Any fool who voted republican or tea party deserves what they're getting

That's what happens when you listen to the likes of Beg-for-brains and Sarah the Impaler. You get lied to, screwed over, and laughed at all the way to the bank.

[Goblinmonger]

46. Yeah, except this progressive teacher

is about to get screwed pretty hard, too.

[Lefta Dissenter]

48. EXACTLY.

When do we progressives get what we deserve? :shrug:

[okieinpain]

56. thank you, it's coming in oklahoma too. it's going to be interesting

to see how this plays out going into the 2012 elections. me personally I have a theory that the tea party is the only people that voted during the midterms. now their bright ideas are going to be front and center and will see how the people really like the tea party movement.

I'm thinking the 2012 elections are going to be a really big eye opening shock to the system when repugs get kicked out all over the place.

[loudsue]

108. Republicans will take MASSIVE wins in 2012. Corporations are going to pummel

the airwaves with corporate propaganda 24/7, and the sheep will all get scared of the big wolf at the door...and vote for their own slaughter.

[okieinpain]

112. i kinda think it will be the opposite, well that if the jobs come back

some.

[williesgirl]

38. This fucker should join Mubarak wherever he went. Or head to N. Korea etc. rec'd

[Initech]

39. WTF indeed.

[SkyDaddy7]

40. Gov. Mubarak?!?!?

[GillesDeleuze]

41. Mubarak Walker

rings...

[midnight]

86. Touche!

[Kingofalldems]

43. +1

Excellent!

[Gin]

47. my granddaughter in Madison said she is......

ready to go and support all the state employees who are camping out in protest against him.

[Earth_First]

66. So there are organized protests to this going on right now?

You mention that people are 'camping out in protest against him'

Can you help me find a media report of this? I am unable to find anything...

[Gin]

72. found this...not sure any are going on now...asked my granddaughter

she hasn't responded yet..there is one planned Monday

http://my.madison.com/forums/Topic4459866-2894-1.aspx

Protest Gov. Walker - Mon. Feb. 14th - Madison Community
Protest Gov. Walker - Mon. Feb. 14th, Expand / Collapse. Rate Topic ... To protest the proposals to destroy public employee unions, eliminate jobs and ...
my.madison.com/forums/FindPost4459866.aspx

[glinda]

78. Please call a lot of media to cover this. This monster needs to be outed publicly.

[Lefta Dissenter]

45. I'm speechless

I used to be proud of being a Wisconsinite. :cry:

[Earth_First]

51. I gotta say...

I love your Member Name...

[Lefta Dissenter]

55. Thanks!

:hi:

Now, if only we could make yours our Wisconsin state motto... but all hope of that is lost. :(

[AllyCat]

63. Can you believe this Lefta?

I expected his plan, but not this response. Anyway, many, many emails from my union...and I am not AFSCME. But they have come to our aid many a time...

[Lefta Dissenter]

83. Hey, AllyCat,

long time, no see... I won't ask how you're doing, after this discussion.

I am absolutely shocked by this man, not to mention the fact that anyone in our state voted for him. It's just shameful!

(...OK, so maybe I will... how are you doing? :hi: )

[myrna minx]

52. .

:wow:

[Lorien]

53. Facebook. Twitter. Egypt

the time for our turn is swiftly approaching.

[abelenkpe]

58. What the hell?

I certainly hope those in Wisconsin protest this. Sit it, whatever. If they just accept this what will stop other states from following suit?

This is really disheartening.

[saras]

61. Worse than walking out - WORK TO RULE

Anything the workers thinks actually helps the public gets done as fast and accurately as possible. Anything benefiting the governor gets done, completely legally, following every relevant regulation, in such a way as to demonstrate that government simply can't get anything done at all.

[Hotler]

64. GOP. The party of greed, hate and selfishness. n/t

[Gin]

67. a state employee posted this to my Granddaughter's page

Somewhere in his bill... it mentions if a state employee takes more than three days off to protest, that we will lose our jobs. Do you think that he is going to hire someone to check our badges while we are protesting?

[SomeGuyInEagan]

69. Is that the sound of goosesteps to our east?

If this is their idea of governing, it'll end up in the streets.

[glinda]

79. That is the point of arming citizens, cutting cops and judges.

They want to play the old west. Next they will shoot the Native AMericans. Oh yea, thats right, they just let them suffer in tons of other ways.

[Kurovski]

71. Fuckers like Walker like to make sure that NO protest is a peaceful one.

Miserable, useless screwjob.

[Lifelong Protester]

73. another school employee here, about to get the shaft

I'm half teacher,half administrator. I cannot legally belong to the union, although was our local president for years before I became an adworministrator. I have great respect fot the union.

I worked for Russ, I've worked for all dems, so even though I understand the words flung our way "You people in Wisconsin deserve this, you voted for him" I want to reiterate, MANY OF US DID NOT and we are all being punished.

It is unconscionable.
How can this be legal, to break contracts with people?

There is such an ill will towards anyone who has a decent job with any benefits nowadays. I'm sure there are even folks here who think "yeah, tough luck, suck it up" but I'm angry and feeling quite betrayed. I've worked at this job for 28 years, knowing I'd never get rich, but that didn't matter. Now I'M RESPONSIBLE FOR THE ENTIRE BUDGET DEFICIT? IT IS ALL GOING TO BALANCED ON MY BACK?

[Viking12]

74. Narcissistic personality disorder

30 days in office he's already killing jobs and salivate with a hunger for Power

[neverforget]

80. I'd like to know what his approval rating is or will be next week

[ProSense]

81. This is why teabaggers should never be lauded

I don't give a shit what they support, they're all lunatics.

TPM: New Wisconsin GOP Governor Pushes For Massive Rollback Of Worker Rights

[ProSense]

82. There's a poll up at

Milwaukee Journal Sentinel: How do you feel about Gov. Walker's plan for the public workers' unions?

[Evasporque]

88. power grabbing doosh nozzle....nt

[Nossida]

89. Is it Police State yet?

Looks as if the Freedom Movement in Egypt
will not be tolerated in America by Gov. Scott Mubarak Walker

[Omaha Steve]

90. Wisconsin’s Walker Calls for End of Collective Bargaining, Alerts National Guard

Source: AFL-CIO News Blog

by Mike Hall, Feb 11, 2011

First Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker (R) announced a state budget plan that strips state workers of nearly all their collective bargaining rights, cuts pay and benefit and says there will be no negotiations.

Today he took it even further: He announced he has alerted the National Guard to be ready in case state workers strike or rise in protest. He told the Associated Press he’s been working on contingency plans for months.

The last time the National Guard was used against public workers was the Memphis sanitation strike in 1968, just before Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.’s assassination. The last time the Guard was called out in Wisconsin to quell a labor dispute was the 1934 Kohler strike by the UAW.


Read more: http://blog.aflcio.org/2011/02/11/wisconsin%E2%80%99s-walker-calls-for-end-of-collective-bargaining-alerts-national-guard/

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FULL story at link.

[bluerum]

91. I guess all I can say is that stinks. It really stinks. eom

[Turbineguy]

92. Welcome

to the 19th Century.

[Hardrada]

94. Since 1980 I have always thought the GOP wanted a return to

the 19th Century or at least 1910. Some of them want a return to 1857! Hearing their remarks just led me to put 2 and 2 together. They can't do it though because to exinguish our middle 2 classes would spill lakes of blood.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

time to walk like an Eygptians yet?

[global1]

95. Time Yet For A Recall Vote?.......

Has voters remorse set in yet in Wisconsin? I have to think that some of those being hurt by Walker now had voted for him.

He alerted the National Guard? You got to be kidding me.

[toddwv]

96. Back to shooting workers again.

What's next? Repeal those pesky child labor laws?

[StreetKnowledge]

97. One Senator has said they may be unconstitutional.

And Americans voted for these f*cking idiots. Honestly, those people deserve everything they'll get.

[Omaha Steve]

93. Wisconsin’s Walker Calls for End of Collective Bargaining, Alerts National Guard

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[Trajan]

98. Fuck it .... Strikes are coming .... Massive in scale, like people haven't seen in decades ....

The extreme tea partiers have support in maybe 25% of the electorate - a good 50% see there own pensions being taken away by that 25% ..... Aint gonna happen ...

How do you impoverish a nation ? ... Elect conservatives, that is how ...

How do you take away liberties ? ... Elect conservatives, indeed ...

[Omaha Steve]

99. Nebraska is trying to do this to MY local union too!

K&R! Thanks for posting.

[Sabriel]

101. That sounds like a threat to the right to peaceful assembly

He's basically putting the fear into people that peaceful assembly is now dangerous assembly.

I can't believe this is the same Wisconsin I grew up in. Fighting Bob must be spinning.

[PaddyBlueEyes]

102. They should call his bluff

and stage a massive sickout or walkout on Monday..

[tomp]

103. fascism is rising and obama is enabling it. nt

[Earth_First]

104. Wisconsin labor, student groups organize protests against Walker's public union plans

Source: The Daily

Wisconsin public employee unions and their supporters are currently engaged in planning their response to Governor Scott Walker's program to curtail negotiating and organizing rights via a budget bill announced Friday. Three public protests and lobbying efforts at the state Capitol in Madison are planned for next week, and at least one longer-term plan for a sustained campaign against the governor and his Republican and associated allies are in the works.

The first action -- titled I ♥ UW :: Governor Walker, Don't Break My ♥ -- is set for noon on Monday, February 14 at the Capitol. UW-Madison activists are planning on delivering "at least one thousand Valentine's cards" to Walker's office, imploring his administration to not impose budget cuts on the UW System.

More demonstrations are planned for Tuesday and Wednesday. Union members, working for both public institutions and private companies, along with their supporters and anybody opposed to Walker's program, are invited to turn out at the Capitol for a series of rallies and lobbying efforts. Additionally, organizers say activists from elsewhere around the state, including Racine, Wausau, and Manitowoc, among other communities, are coming to Madison to join in the activities.

"We anticipate that Republicans are going to slam this through by Wednesday," says Rickman. "This shows how radical and extreme that they know this is, that they have to push it though before people have a chance to respond to it. It's a total nuclear option, and doesn't even pass the smell test."

Read more: http://www.thedailypage.com/daily/article.php?article=32231

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Let's keep a close eye on this one. Governor Walker has already said that he intends not to negotiate with the unions and has prepared the National Guard to respond to unrest by working class citizens to his nefarious attempts to kill organized labor in Wisconsin.

SOLIDARITY!

Walker says National Guard is prepared

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/chi-ap-wi-budgetwoes-nation,0,771747.story

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=4729909&mesg_id=4729909

[Omaha Steve]

105. POLL: How do you feel about Gov. Walker's plan for the public workers' unions?

K&R btw.

So far labor has a good lead in this poll: How do you feel about Gov. Walker's plan for the public workers' unions?

I voted hate it. :-)

Gov. Scott Walker wants to help fix state finances by cutting benefits for union workers and wiping away their ability to negotiate over anything but their wages, setting up a potentially explosive battle in the Capitol.

I like it. The unions need to be reined in

Something needs to be done with the unions, but this is a little harsh

Hate it. These are dedicated public servants

Vote

See results >>

Current numbers: I like it. The unions need to be reined in (27%)

Something needs to be done with the unions, but this is a little harsh (14%)

Hate it. These are dedicated public servants (58%)

[xchrom]

106. recommend

[rosesaylavee]

107. Poll to DU here

http://www.jsonline.com/polls/115922949.html

How do you feel about Gov. Walker's plan for the public workers' unions?
Gov. Scott Walker wants to help fix state finances by cutting benefits for union workers and wiping away their ability to negotiate over anything but their wages, setting up a potentially explosive battle in the Capitol.

I like it. The unions need to be reined in (27%)
Something needs to be done with the unions, but this is a little harsh (14%)
Hate it. These are dedicated public servants (58%)
Total Responses: 12293

[racrya23]

114. Wisconsinites: Wear red on Tuesday & Wednesday in support of Wisconsin state workers

This is an absolutely terrifying proposal that's being rushed through quickly. As a Wisconsin teacher, I shudder to think of the effect that this would have on our state education system, not to mention all of the other affected fields.


The statement released by the Wisconsin Democratic Party:


February 11, 2011
Scott Walker's "Budget Adjustment": A Downward Pressure on Wisconsin's Competitive Edge
>
> MADISON-Following is the statement of Democratic Party of Wisconsin Chair Mike Tate on Scott Walker's "budget adjustment' bill.
>
> "Scott Walker's so-called "budget adjustment" bill amounts to downward pressure on wages and benefits for all wage-earners in Wisconsin, and another step backward in investments in our modern economy. Voters in November did not hear from Walker or Republicans about these proposed radical changes for a reason, and now, in an ill-considered move, it is being foisted upon them in one swoop, without good faith negotiation, deliberation or the kind of discussion that any good C.E.O. would employ. For more than five decades, Wisconsin's labor agreements have operated with Republican and Democratic support but now, overnight, with little discussion, Scott Walker would end that. Combined with cuts to education and health care, Scott Walker is presiding over a groundward plunge in Wisconsin's standard of living, all to suit a narrow ideology that sees a future in which only the very rich can prosper."

[livetohike]

116. Welcome to DU!

:hi:

[vssmith]

109. I love Wisconsin but it is a strangely diverse state

Elected LaFollette and Proxmire but also elected Joe McCarthy.

[Left coast liberal]

110. why would a Guardsperson even follow his orders? What a scumbag! Nt

[hadrons]

113. BTW, the National Guard doesn't work for free ....