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Purveyor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-11 12:08 AM
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Radiation Fears Spark Panic Buying And Evacuations In Tokyo
Source: REUTERS

(Reuters) - Panic swept Tokyo on Tuesday after a rise in radioactive levels around an earthquake-hit nuclear power plant north of the city, causing some residents to leave the capital and others to stock up on food and supplies.

Several embassies advised staff and citizens to leave affected areas, tourists cut short vacations and multinational companies either urged staff to leave or said they were considering plans to move outside the city.

In one sign of the panic, Don Quixote, a multistory, 24-hour general store in Tokyo's Roppongi district, was sold out of radios, flashlights, candles, fuel cans and sleeping bags on Tuesday as a Reuters reporter visited the shop.

Some international journalists covering the disaster from the worst-hit region around the northeastern city of Sendai, devastated by Friday's mammoth earthquake and tsunami that killed at least 10,000, were pulling out.

Read more: http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/03/15/us-japan-quake-tokyo-idUSTRE72E0ZR20110315
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jpak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-11 12:10 AM
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1. They know no science - nuclear power is safe and ionizing radiation is good for you
silly anti-science yuppie twits

yup

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Teaser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-11 12:12 AM
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3. what are you going on about?
.
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jpak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-11 12:15 AM
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5. This is what nuclear power skeptics have been called for nearly a decade here in the E/E forum
with death threats to boot

yup
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Teaser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-11 12:17 AM
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7. death threats?
well that's weird.

sorry if I seemed gruff, but you've posted like that on several threads and it just didn't make any sense.

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jpak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-11 12:21 AM
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8. You haven't been around E/E much - vicious personal attacks against nuclear skeptics are the norm
Edited on Tue Mar-15-11 12:22 AM by jpak
and I have received death threats from some pro-nuke types

"you will die yuppie"

yup
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-11 12:31 AM
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Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.
 
Teaser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-11 12:33 AM
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13. probably not a good idea to bring that up in-thread here.
makes it kinda delete-bait.

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bananas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-11 12:55 AM
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16. You're probably right. nt
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bananas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-11 04:22 AM
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34. So much for transparency and open discourse
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AtheistCrusader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-11 12:34 AM
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14. I certainly haven't read every single thread but,
from what I've seen, the vitriol goes both ways. It's a contentious issue.

Still is and will be for decades.
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bananas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-11 04:19 AM
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33. False Equivalency
If someone makes death threats, they should be banned.
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AtheistCrusader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-11 08:22 AM
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38. I don't disagree there.
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boppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-11 03:44 AM
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29. Well, you will die.
Part of life and all.

Dunno what it has to do with some forum, though.
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boppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-11 03:44 AM
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30. Dupe
Edited on Tue Mar-15-11 03:45 AM by boppers
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bananas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-11 04:25 AM
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35. Yes, death threats. nt
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bananas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-11 12:29 AM
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10. Yup - it's been disgusting - you wouldn't believe the crap we've had to put up with.
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Teaser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-11 12:32 AM
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12. well I'm on the fence on this issue myself
never been that big fan of nuclear. But I'll admit I have tended to buy some of the arguments about western plants being a lot safer than Chernobyl. And that may still be the case, but I'm reassessing how I feel right now.
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-11 01:00 AM
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17. You might want to read this, then.
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Steerpike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-11 04:51 AM
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37. My goodness!
you poor thing...how tragic your life is that you have to put up with soooo much. You have my deepest sympathies for the horrors that you have endured...cause this is all about you.
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bananas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-11 12:28 AM
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9. I'm really pissed off about it, too.
I'm trying to decide whether to vent in "ask the administrators".
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mysterysoup Donating Member (94 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-11 12:16 AM
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6. I don't know what they need candles and flashlights for...
...if they're going to glow in the dark.
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Tx4obama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-11 01:06 AM
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18. They are going to experience rolling-blackouts.
So, if the electric is out in the middle of the night and ya have to get up and go pee then a flashlight does come in handy ;)

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Teaser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-11 12:11 AM
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2. mmm...hope panic doesn't wind up killing more people than rads.
ugh, what a horrendous situation.
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truthisfreedom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-11 12:12 AM
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4. I wonder how they're doing on duct tape and plastic sheeting? I have some to spare, about 10 years
old. God, they must be in hell. I feel unsafe and I'm on the other side of the world in the middle of a huge continent.
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-11 12:39 AM
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15. They had found iodine and cesium and radiation levels in Saitama, near Tokyo, 40 times ......
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Scottybeamer70 Donating Member (844 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-11 01:31 AM
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19. People really believe that
nuclear power is safe ??? wow......Do they also put their head in their microwave ovens?
Anyone who thinks the people in Japan are not in dire trouble, are totally delusional....
and it might also be other countries in jeopardy as well. If you're waiting on the govt.
to tell you if you are safe or not, try to remember the lies about Iraq.....and telling
the 9/11 responders that the air was "all right"..........not exactly a trusty source I
would think.
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Kuroneko Donating Member (32 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-11 02:24 AM
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20. Perfect example of bad journalism
And I'm nice.


In one sign of the panic, Don Quixote, a multistory, 24-hour general store in Tokyo's Roppongi district, was sold out of radios, flashlights, candles, fuel cans and sleeping bags on Tuesday as a Reuters reporter visited the shop.


In a city with rolling-blackouts, the items quoted seems to me perfectly rational. Same for food and water as supply is disturbed.

And that foreigners want to go back to their countries can be justified, even more if they are here only for tourism.

The most panicked is the writer himself.


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Dave Caputo Donating Member (84 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-11 03:27 AM
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21. Radiation warnings send mobs of shoppers into stores, start hasty evacuations in Tokyo
Source: Reuters

Radiation warnings and a gentle but potentially deadly wind blowing towards Tokyo from the general direction of the melting-down Japanese nuclear power plants has caused panic shopping and hasty evacuations in the Tokyo metropolitan area.

The line for the door was getting crowded as major corporations, foreign embassies, and visiting tourists hustled to get out of dodge before the 21st Century’s version of Godzilla got to the subways of Tokyo.

Everyone in Japan is “on the Beach” now. This is getting brutal.

Read more: http://blogosaurusstampede.com/radiation-warnings-send-mobs-of-shoppers-into-stores-start-hasty-evacuations-in-tokyo/



Panic in Tokyo. Is it Saturday afternoon? Is this a B-Grade horror movie? NO! It's "Return of the Pro-Nuclear Lies" (the Japanese remake) FOR REAL.
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-11 03:27 AM
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22. Meanwhile, across the pond, I sit here feeling a little like the Aussies in
On the Beach. The cloud is coming, eventually, but they go on with their lives, resigned to whatever comes. I can't summon up dread. I don't dare. I don't want to even start down that road.
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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-11 03:27 AM
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24. What bothers me so much...
...is that our shit-for-brains politicians won't tell us the truth. I just read that Mitch McConnell said the
equivalent of "remain calm, all is well" and come to find out--he has accepted enormous amounts of campaign
cash from corporations that deal in nuclear energy.

There have been so many articles that are a whitewash. We're forced to get info from real people on Facebook
and Twitter, because the corporate media has been paid to propagandize, instead of get us life-saving, truthful
information.

We're really left to fend for ourselves, as far as the information goes.

All we can do is keep the conversation going and read credible sources--and keep asking questions.

This could affect our country.
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Kaleko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-11 03:27 AM
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25. Hey kestrel,
a thousand miles north of you, we're sitting here, stunned, with flashes highlighting the implications of what has happened these past few days. Japan is going to be a nuclear wasteland, abandoned by everyone who can afford to get out or stay away from their products -- and the world is never going to be the same.

Best to you and all the cats in your care. :hug:
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diane in sf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-11 03:27 AM
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23. I'm eating seaweed in preparation for the nuclear garbage hitting the West Coast...
Edited on Tue Mar-15-11 01:40 AM by diane in sf
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Chris_Texas Donating Member (707 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-11 03:27 AM
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26. You are five thousand miles away.
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Missy Vixen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-11 03:27 AM
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27. There was radiation from Chernobyl found in multiple places in Washington State
I realize Japan is not next door, but those on the West Coast will most likely have fallout in our area.

Mostly, though, I'm thinking about Japan tonight, about people we know that are still there, and hoping they are safe.
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-11 10:10 PM
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39. Enjoy it while you can. I think it all comes from Japan.
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aikanae Donating Member (165 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-11 03:27 AM
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28. The West Coast Will Get the Fallout
The west coast - (I'm from Wa) - is warmed by Japanese currents and tradewinds. That's why it doesn't get the harsh winters lik the east coast does. I can't remember where I read it, but there are authoratative (meaning non-politcal) projections of it reaching the west coast in as little as a week, as a worse case. Crescent City, Ca and Brookings, Or got the results of the tsunami.

I think it's important to remember, a multi-reactor melt down has never happened before. It's compounded by the fact that the Japanese reactors were storing pools of waste on top of the sites too. Both Democracy Now and Maddow have had good explainations on that increasing the problem.

This would be a really good time for a vacation.
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boppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-11 03:55 AM
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31. "a multi-reactor melt down has never happened before"
It hasn't happened, ever.

As of this writing, it still hasn't.

There have been explosions, and leaks, but no melt-down.
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CountAllVotes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-11 04:48 AM
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36. adding to the panic does not help
I just heard on KGO San Francisco that the fall-out was not expected to effect the west coast and that it was not necessary to be handing out potassium iodine to anyone living on the west coast of the United States.

:dem:

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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-11 04:09 AM
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32. maybe you should read this:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x649300

the article is accompanied by a picture of the tokyo subway/train system, typically crowded & even more so with some lines still shut down. people standing neatly in lines. yeah, they look "panicked".
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Dave Caputo Donating Member (84 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-16-11 12:38 AM
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40. Update. New Evacuation Report from On The Ground in Tokyo
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/thousands-flee-tokyo-as-experts-try-to-calm-contamination-fears-2242992.html">New report on Tokyo evacuation in progress

This is getting very bad. Tokyo is a BIG city.
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