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brooklynite (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-01-11 08:26 AM Original message |
Montana Rep. Says DUI Laws Are 'Destroying a Way of Life' |
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Dulcinea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-01-11 08:29 AM Response to Original message |
1. Driving drunk is a way of life in Montana? |
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eowyn_of_rohan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-01-11 09:39 AM Response to Reply #1 |
14. It shore is - the faster the better! -nt |
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MedicalAdmin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-01-11 09:57 AM Response to Reply #1 |
21. Back in the day... |
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woodsprite (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-01-11 08:33 AM Response to Original message |
2. Don't forget the guns. |
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redwitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-01-11 10:07 AM Response to Reply #2 |
24. Indeed. |
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atreides1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-01-11 08:44 AM Response to Original message |
3. I've got a fix for his problem. |
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RobinA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-01-11 11:21 AM Response to Reply #3 |
39. I Think You Miss |
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tanyev (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-01-11 08:47 AM Response to Original message |
4. Pro-lifers for drunk driving! |
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freshwest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-01-11 02:02 PM Response to Reply #4 |
61. You betcha! |
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Chef Eric (576 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-01-11 08:52 AM Response to Original message |
5. Alan Hale?! It's the Skipper!! |
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brooklynite (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-01-11 10:04 AM Response to Reply #5 |
23. Actually, that was Alan Hale, Jr. |
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skypilot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-01-11 02:34 PM Response to Reply #23 |
65. Whereas the Alan Hale in question... |
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caseymoz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-02-11 06:47 PM Response to Reply #65 |
87. Repealing child labor laws, putting us on the gold standard, now this? |
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Frank Cannon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-02-11 07:08 AM Response to Reply #5 |
80. There's also Alan Hale the astronomer |
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BanzaiBonnie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-01-11 09:04 AM Response to Original message |
6. Self-serving? He runs a bar? |
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MineralMan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-01-11 09:08 AM Response to Original message |
7. My heart bleeds for that bar owner... |
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ieoeja (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-01-11 09:17 AM Response to Original message |
8. I agree with the Representative. |
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-01-11 09:20 AM Response to Reply #8 |
10. Nobody is stopping people from going to bars. We're stopping people from driving drunk. |
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ieoeja (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-01-11 09:26 AM Response to Reply #10 |
11. At .05 you can only have one or two drinks. If that. Even at .08 you probably can't pass after 3. |
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Ikonoklast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-01-11 11:01 AM Response to Reply #11 |
34. No one is stopping people from having a drink, no one. |
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hedgehog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-01-11 12:20 PM Response to Reply #11 |
44. Blood level limits shouldn't be set by how many drinks you can have, |
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ieoeja (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-01-11 01:16 PM Response to Reply #44 |
53. Remember when they lowered the limit to .15? |
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hedgehog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-01-11 03:11 PM Response to Reply #53 |
67. I have no idea - I would hope the limit is set based on actual testing rather |
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jmowreader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-02-11 06:35 PM Response to Reply #53 |
86. The limit being pushed around the country now is to make money for the DWI industry |
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plumbob (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-01-11 10:51 AM Response to Reply #10 |
31. Thank you. There really is no basic human right to get fucked up and |
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unc70 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-01-11 11:10 AM Response to Reply #10 |
35. Not stopping "drunk" drivers; changing behavior of people who were not the problem |
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yellowcanine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-01-11 12:39 PM Response to Reply #35 |
49. People who 'drink "small amounts" and later drive' are also part of the problem. |
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unc70 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-01-11 02:02 PM Response to Reply #49 |
62. By "not stopping" I meant stopping them driving drunk, getting them off the road |
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yellowcanine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-01-11 04:05 PM Response to Reply #62 |
73. Well I would maintain that a DUI conviction from a sobriety checkpoint arrest would |
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valerief (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-01-11 09:29 AM Response to Reply #8 |
13. This has GOT to be your April Fool joke on us! nt |
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walerosco (449 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-01-11 09:40 AM Response to Reply #13 |
16. lol |
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ieoeja (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-01-11 01:55 PM Response to Reply #13 |
60. Here you go. |
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valerief (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-01-11 03:59 PM Response to Reply #60 |
72. Ha! |
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Lifelong Protester (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-01-11 09:39 AM Response to Reply #8 |
15. well. lucky you, I hope you still have your parents |
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ieoeja (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-01-11 09:52 AM Response to Reply #15 |
18. Nope. They got old and died. nt |
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AlbertCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-01-11 09:55 AM Response to Reply #8 |
19. The nearest bar to my parents was eight miles away |
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provis99 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-01-11 10:00 PM Response to Reply #19 |
79. smoking marijuana is illegal. |
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yellowcanine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-01-11 10:18 AM Response to Reply #8 |
25. So - the only place to get a drink is a bar? I don't think so. Come on, this is a no brainer. |
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ieoeja (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-01-11 10:33 AM Response to Reply #25 |
26. No, you can drink at a party. But someone has to drive a dozen people home. |
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yellowcanine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-01-11 10:50 AM Response to Reply #26 |
29. Well no, someone doesn't "have to drive a dozen people home." |
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ieoeja (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-01-11 11:15 AM Response to Reply #29 |
38. I did not drink at my niece's wedding reception last year. |
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yellowcanine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-01-11 12:11 PM Response to Reply #38 |
42. "Which is, of course, the goal: to get as close to prohibition as they can." |
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ieoeja (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-01-11 01:14 PM Response to Reply #42 |
52. I got that from a MADD officer. |
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yellowcanine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-01-11 03:58 PM Response to Reply #52 |
71. If you are going to use logical fallacies expect to get called on them. |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-01-11 04:10 PM Response to Reply #52 |
74. Being told that by a MADD officer means nothing |
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hedgehog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-01-11 12:23 PM Response to Reply #38 |
45. My daughter held her wedding reception at a camp ground. |
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-01-11 01:18 PM Response to Reply #38 |
54. If not drinking at a wedding reception was a hardship to you then drinking is running your life. |
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Dogtown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-01-11 12:55 PM Response to Reply #26 |
50. Denial |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-01-11 03:54 PM Response to Reply #26 |
70. I went to a wedding in Norway where this is exactly what they did |
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tpsbmam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-01-11 10:45 AM Response to Reply #8 |
28. I'm liberal and I drink ETOH BUT I don't drink if I'm going to be driving |
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Nihil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-01-11 10:54 AM Response to Reply #28 |
32. Agree and in addition ... |
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tpsbmam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-01-11 12:37 PM Response to Reply #32 |
48. Exactly. I don't drink at all when I'm going to drive because |
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Nihil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-01-11 10:51 AM Response to Reply #8 |
30. Sounds like a win-win to me ... |
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drm604 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-01-11 11:42 AM Response to Reply #8 |
41. If that's true |
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yellowcanine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-01-11 12:17 PM Response to Reply #41 |
43. Good point. Someone should ask the sheriff that. If they are too lazy to move their checkpoints |
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ieoeja (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-01-11 01:20 PM Response to Reply #41 |
55. He actually said that if DUI was about saving lives, that is what they should do. |
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drm604 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-01-11 02:28 PM Response to Reply #55 |
64. Then they should move the road blocks to the more dangerous roads |
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alarimer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-02-11 11:46 PM Response to Reply #55 |
88. I agree with you but trying to inject reason into this discussion is a losing battle. |
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shanti (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-01-11 01:10 PM Response to Reply #8 |
51. then stay home and drink |
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ieoeja (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-01-11 01:25 PM Response to Reply #51 |
56. That is very easy to understand. |
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SOS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-02-11 11:44 AM Response to Reply #8 |
84. Be glad the you didn't live in the former German Democratic Republic |
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Jkid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 07:38 AM Response to Reply #8 |
93. Quoted for Truth |
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w4rma (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-01-11 09:19 AM Response to Original message |
9. He's got a point. There needs to be requirements on bars to stay open an hour later without serving |
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valerief (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-01-11 09:28 AM Response to Original message |
12. Republicans love drunk drivers. They lower the senior Social Security population. nt |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-01-11 09:51 AM Response to Original message |
17. Hale's death panel. |
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L. Coyote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-01-11 09:56 AM Response to Original message |
20. The Montana economy is dependent on drunk drivers. What does that tell you? |
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matt819 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-01-11 10:03 AM Response to Original message |
22. The Onion can now fire its writers |
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Turbineguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-01-11 10:45 AM Response to Original message |
27. Work. |
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BrightSideOfLife (70 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-01-11 10:55 AM Original message |
Idiot Teabaggers |
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BrightSideOfLife (70 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-01-11 10:55 AM Response to Original message |
33. Idiot Teabaggers |
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tuckessee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-01-11 11:12 AM Response to Original message |
36. Modern DUI laws are the creation of neo-prohibitionists. |
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ieoeja (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-01-11 01:41 PM Response to Reply #36 |
57. I spoke to a MADD officer once. She was in the Womens Christian Temperance Union. |
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hatrack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-02-11 09:22 AM Response to Reply #57 |
82. Wow, so you spoke to this woman once, and she said that such-and-such was true. |
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placton (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-01-11 11:14 AM Response to Original message |
37. hey for once, this guy it totally correct |
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unc70 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-01-11 12:30 PM Response to Reply #37 |
47. Mostly agree with you, but Montana bill is about repeat offenders |
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bongbong (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-01-11 11:27 AM Response to Original message |
40. repigs |
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hedgehog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-01-11 12:27 PM Response to Original message |
46. The real problem is having a culture that says you aren't having a good |
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ieoeja (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-01-11 01:43 PM Response to Reply #46 |
58. You get shit faced after two beers? n/t |
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LeftishBrit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-01-11 01:45 PM Response to Original message |
59. Drunk driving is a way of life? |
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FLPanhandle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-01-11 02:06 PM Response to Original message |
63. I wonder if he feels the same about Hate Crimes |
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Blue_Tires (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-01-11 03:20 PM Response to Reply #63 |
68. Hale thinks laws should only apply to 'other people' |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-01-11 03:02 PM Response to Original message |
66. Montana lawmaker's speech perpetuates boozy image |
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Ter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-01-11 03:27 PM Response to Original message |
69. He's 100% right |
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RBInMaine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-01-11 07:55 PM Response to Reply #69 |
77. And your analysis is 100% silly. You don't know your science and you don't know your law. |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-01-11 06:05 PM Response to Original message |
75. I thought they were "Destroying a way of death" |
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hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-01-11 06:57 PM Response to Original message |
76. In the old days you'd drink at an Inn. |
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freshwest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-01-11 08:00 PM Response to Original message |
78. Destroying a way of life? Or his bottom line? Give me a break... |
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formercia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-02-11 08:14 AM Response to Original message |
81. A way of life, where distance is measured in the number of beers it takes to get there. |
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timo (890 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-02-11 09:58 AM Response to Original message |
83. screw that |
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MikeW (554 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-02-11 11:56 AM Response to Original message |
85. the laws arnt strict enough ... 3rd DUI you lose your license forever |
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Codeine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 06:54 AM Response to Reply #85 |
91. 3rd? |
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freshwest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 12:58 AM Response to Original message |
89. I just thought of the perfect solution! STARBUCKS!!! |
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gtar100 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 02:48 AM Response to Original message |
90. Oh look - another incredibly stupid statement by a republican. |
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Jkid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-03-11 07:34 AM Response to Original message |
92. He has the point about the car fact |
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